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T.J. Ward on accused cheap shot: "I would do it again"

Browns rookie safety T.J. Ward was known in college for his big hits.

On Sunday, Bengals rookie receiver Jordan Shipley learned the hard way that Ward can drop the hammer as a pro as well.  On a key third down late in the game, Ward was called for a personal foul for a late hit on Shipley in the end zone.  Shipley didn’t return to the game.

It appears Ward arrives late, although NFL Network’s Deion Sanders notes that Ward led with his shoulder, not his helmet.

I think it was a ridiculous play,” Terrell Owens said via the Cincinnati Enquirer after the game. “The guy is defenseless
and I hate to see a guy hit like that. The ball had already bounced off
and for him to take a cheap shot like that was uncalled for.”

T.O. was seen yelling at Browns defenders after the play. Owens said Shipley’s eyes were rolling in the back of his head.  Quarterback Carson Palmer also got in Ward’s face.

“It’s a cheap shot and a shot that shouldn’t happen,” said Palmer. “When
you see a guy laying on the ground like that it makes you realize how
violent this game can be.”

Ward says he didn’t do anything wrong.

“I hit him with my shoulder,” Ward said. “They [Bengals] tried to yap at me, but I ignored them. I would do it again.”
 
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  1. buckeyeboy says: Oct 4, 2010 9:22 AM

    well he plays for cleveland, i believe that says it all

  2. C-Bus says: Oct 4, 2010 9:24 AM

    Note to Bungals: This isn’t flag football. Welcome to the league Ships.

  3. Mrsteve says: Oct 4, 2010 9:24 AM

    No doubt it was a cheap shot. Also what’s up with T.O. trying to make Shipley look like a bitch?

  4. PFTiswhatitis says: Oct 4, 2010 9:24 AM

    This one is tough, I thought it was just a little late but in real time it is hard to tell and if he had caught the ball then the hit might have caused a drop and saved a score.

  5. Drew Brees' Face Smudge says: Oct 4, 2010 9:26 AM

    Wheres the option to vote for both?
    It was a cheap shot and it is part of the game. There will be a fine. And ten yrs from now the NFL will make more money on it by putting it on a “Greatest Hits of the NFL” dvd.
    The make so much fluff noise about trying to protect the players.
    Cant wait for that 18 game season…

  6. nohio says: Oct 4, 2010 9:26 AM

    It was a legal hit and only would have been better if it would have been Owens laying on the ground.

  7. Unnamed Source says: Oct 4, 2010 9:27 AM

    would have been a clean hit but for the fact he smacked him in the head

  8. broncoMaineiac says: Oct 4, 2010 9:28 AM

    I voted twice because it is both. It was a cheap shot but cheap shots are part of the game.
    Ask the Titans.

  9. hdahs143 says: Oct 4, 2010 9:29 AM

    Not sure how it could be called a cheap shot. The receiver still had the ball in his hand, and the video clearly shows ward hitting him with his shoulder, not his helmet.
    Brings to light how inconsistent the officiating is though.

  10. King Kreg says: Oct 4, 2010 9:31 AM

    I mean this is def borderline… I don’t think it’s dirty or really cheap but you got to be smarter as a player now. That hit was very unecessary as the ball was on the ground well before the hit.
    The sad thing is he says he would do it again after he knows the guy is hurt. Concussions are serious especially when they start to occur this early in careers. NFL is def getting stricter with these types of things, and players need to stop playing with too much raw emotion and understand that because it hurts your team.

  11. DanSnyderSux says: Oct 4, 2010 9:32 AM

    Well put, Unnamed Source. He may have led with his shoulder, but there definitely was helmet-to-helmet contact.

  12. GBfanForever says: Oct 4, 2010 9:33 AM

    How are you trying to make this a controversy? It is clearly an illegal play that the league put an emphasis on. I’m sorry but hitting a defenseless player like that and acting like your all bad doesn’t make you a tough guy, it makes you a pu**y. Wanna prove you’re tough as a saftey? take on adrian peterson or ryan grant running at you full steam, and until then, hitting a defenseless receiver is as cool as beating up a guy half your size.

  13. Madeira says: Oct 4, 2010 9:33 AM

    Bengals receivers were tempting fate in the middle of the field all day, eventually a receiver was going to get jacked up.
    This is a new Browns D. AFC North wideouts will all be getting to know T.J. Ward.

  14. Hap says: Oct 4, 2010 9:36 AM

    What’s that say about your fanbase, GR ? Over half think that hit is ok.

  15. downwithdansnyder says: Oct 4, 2010 9:36 AM

    I think saying led with shoulder AND helmet might be more accurate. watch the head to head contact.

  16. ErikInHell says: Oct 4, 2010 9:37 AM

    This was not a cheap shot. Ward lowered his shoulders and hit the player. What’s he supposed to do? Give the WR a chance to catch the ball before he hits him? I defy a fan of another team to say they’d be upset if a player on their team delivered a similar blow to stop a reception in the end zone.
    Did Ward hit shippley in the head? Yes. Will he get fined? Yes. Did Ward lead with his helmet? No. This was a hard hit that unfortunately falls into that “defenseless WR” rule. Ward just needs to aim lower.

  17. mikecal645 says: Oct 4, 2010 9:38 AM

    hdahs143, what play are you watching? the ball is bouncing on the ground before the guy even lowers his shoulder.

  18. 86postpattern says: Oct 4, 2010 9:38 AM

    well, the bengals lost, I guess that says it all.

  19. funi says: Oct 4, 2010 9:39 AM

    He ‘s a Brown and that is only way he will get on TV!

  20. Clownsfan says: Oct 4, 2010 9:40 AM

    Ah….the Bengals. The whiny little red-headed step-brother we never wanted. All that talent and they’ll be lucky if the sniff .500 ball.
    Now before Bengal fan starts jumping on me remember talent doesn’t equal heart and the Bengals got no heart.
    You got beat by Seneca Wallace & Peyton Hillis. How does that happen?
    As Browns fans we know were not good and we don’t pretend we are.

  21. joetoronto says: Oct 4, 2010 9:41 AM

    I can’t see why it was a cheap shot, he didn’t LEAD with his head, he led with his shoulder.
    Yes, his helmet glanced off Shipley’s helmet but he led with his shoulder.
    As for being late, no way in hell, he wasn’t late at all.

  22. Zym69 says: Oct 4, 2010 9:42 AM

    The receiver still had the ball in his hand????
    It had already hit the ground and bounced up prior to the hit.

  23. SF Saints Fan says: Oct 4, 2010 9:43 AM

    I agree with those who say it is both. It was a “legal” hit, but I doubt that Shipley would like to be hit that way. He led with his shoulder which makes it “legal”, but he aimed for his head which makes it a “cheap shot”.
    This is the same situation as Brett Favre in the NFC Championship Game, only one hit was illegal, but most of them were “cheap shots”, just like the cheap shots that were taken by the Vikings on Drew Brees.
    Tough QB’s take lots of hits, some of which are cheap shots, but legal. That old standing in the pocket waiting for a receiver to get open. Some receivers alligator arm passes because they know a big “legal” but “cheap shot” hit is on the way.
    It is all part of the game, albeit a very violent part of the game. It is one of the reasons we watch the game. I once heard a players leg break while sitting in my seat during an NFL game. Not something that sounds nice, but a violent aspect of a violet game.

  24. majorpayne27 says: Oct 4, 2010 9:45 AM

    This is ridiculous. Was TJ Ward supposed to think, “Gee, I think Shipley is going to drop this ball…but he might still catch it…but I don’t want to hurt him…”.
    This is football. You get hit, this wasn’t very late at all.

  25. MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: Oct 4, 2010 9:49 AM

    I hope he enjoyed it. The NFL will be taking $15K from his next game check.

  26. Corkscrew says: Oct 4, 2010 9:51 AM

    Not a cheap shot. If the NFL has a rule that a receiver has to show possession throughout the catch, then it’s that safety’s job to dislodge him from the ball. It’s part of the game.

  27. Kaz says: Oct 4, 2010 9:53 AM

    Good to see the team rally behind Shipley and get in Wards face. Unlike when Jake got slammed by Suh. The Browns just ho hummed on down the field, as Jake got up with a twisted helmet, grass and dirt stuck to the sides and nobody even helped him up.

  28. GeniusJoe says: Oct 4, 2010 9:55 AM

    It is NOT a cheap shot!!
    Ward is preparing to hit a guy that is about to catch a pass for a TD. He is preparing to hit before the ball gets there. Once he starts his move, he can’t stop.
    If the ball was caught, Ward would have had a good shot at knocking it out.
    Brutal yes. Cheap no.

  29. BBB82 says: Oct 4, 2010 9:59 AM

    Can’t wait until he does that to Wines Hard.

  30. ArtModellsPimp says: Oct 4, 2010 10:01 AM

    Next TJ Ward “cheap shot?” Against Pittsburgh.
    Tighten up your chinstrap, raper. It’s gonna be fun watching you get assaulted and abused by the Browns’ D.
    Can’t wait… :0)

  31. tdawg69 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:04 AM

    Go back and watch some NFL games from the 70′s. Can they make this anymore of a ladies game than it is already? This was a good clean hit. Period. If anything, Shipley should be pissed at Palmer for passing it to him there, going across the middle in do8uble coverage. You throw the ball there, your guy is going to get hit. Period.

  32. BrownsTown says: Oct 4, 2010 10:05 AM

    Palmer made a token effort to confront Ward. It was like one of those lame baseball fights were guys go through the motions when they run in from the dugout. He’s a puss and he wasn’t going to do anything.
    That needs to be noted as you report on his “tough talk.”

  33. graphx says: Oct 4, 2010 10:06 AM

    Yeah, I suppose it’s part of the game if your playing prison rules.
    The ball was on the ground before he was hit.
    It was head to head first.
    If you can’t see that your blind.

  34. Playmaker's Dealer says: Oct 4, 2010 10:07 AM

    Can’t believe anyone would think this was not a cheap shot. You can’t go to someones head at all (w/ your shoulder, helmet, shoe or fist…doesn’t matter) much less a full beat after the play’s concluded. That’s why he was flagged and its why he’ll likely receive a pretty big fine.
    Dirty hit, period.
    Best play that ole rag-arm Palmer made all year was getting in that Ward’s face about it.

  35. enders says: Oct 4, 2010 10:07 AM

    After rewatching it, it was definitely a cheap shot. Shipley had clearly already dropped the ball, there is a view of the hit on nfl.com and the ball had hit the ground and bounced back up several feet by the time that Ward actually hit him. So the hit was definitely late. And he led with his head and shoulder, there was definitely helmet to helmet contact and it looked like he was going straight for Shipleys head. Before reading what he said I would of given him the benefit of the doubt that he just made a mistake, but saying he would do it again I think it was intentional. Which he was an idiot to say that before the league fined him. They may have been a little more lenient (for example, a 10k fine instead of 15k), but now that he’s said he’d do it again I don’t expect much leniency.
    The hit itself is part of the game, hitting someone who is defenseless like that after he clearly had dropped the pass is not though.

  36. daffy87 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:09 AM

    I don’t see how Shipley was defenseless…he had the ball….without Ward’s hit he scores a TD. TJ lead with his shoulder, not his helmet, it was a clean hit and it saved a TD, great play TJ Ward.

  37. JimmySmith says: Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM

    It was illegal but not cheap. It is hardly Ward’s fault the Shipley dropped his head and thereby exposed it to the shoulder pad of Ward.
    You can’t be head hunting in the NFL and so the rule is in place and the penalty was called. But a cheap shot implies it was done knowingly but there is no way Ward could have predicted Shipley dropping his head.
    Like many other posters, I just wished it would have been TO’s head then TJ Ward would have been my hero.

  38. hdahs143 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM

    My bad. Looked at it again, and the ball was out before the hit. That being said, in real time, it makes it pretty tough for a defender to stop on a dime.
    Miami’s Clemons got called for this against the Jets, when he actually slowed down and braced himself for the hit coming from the receiver. I get the safety issue, but there has to be some middle ground.

  39. Dave says: Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM

    No way this is a cheap shot. He led with his shoulder, the ball was still right there and probably catchable – he broke up a pass play. Take off your skirt and play big-boy football, Shipley.

  40. MOEfish says: Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM

    Ward’s body language says it all….He knew he had a free ‘dirty’ shot otherwise he would have actually tried to make a tackle.

  41. AttackRaven says: Oct 4, 2010 10:12 AM

    In two weeks the Steelers will take care of the Browns and the Browns will be on the receiving end.

  42. djeg07 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:13 AM

    next time aim for 2 (to).
    way to be brother, just like e-turner, thane gash felix wright and all the safeties cleveland past has had.

  43. WhoDeySood5 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:13 AM

    How about the penalty on Indukwe on your TE over the middle that put you into field goal range at the end of the half (and coincidentally ended up being the 3pt difference) Same Penalty, two VERY different hits….enjoy it while you can Cleveland, at the end of the day you won, but for the rest of the season and onward your still the Browns…haha

  44. Bullet says: Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM

    As much as I like Shipley, that play is part of the game. If you don’t wanna get hit, don’t go over the middle and don’t play in the NFL. Football is a physical game and I love seeing hits like that. I don’t wanna see anyone get hurt, but this is another reason they get paid the big bucks.

  45. pkrjones says: Oct 4, 2010 10:15 AM

    Have nothing wrong with the timing of the hit – in realtime it happened very fast. The problem I have is that the hit was intentionally aimed at the head. Absolutely no reason why a good, hard, CLEAN hit can’t be aimed at a guys shoulders, chest, mid-section, hips, or thighs – but when you go for the head, or knees it’s an attempt to injure. Cheap shot, purely for the location of the hit… no reason for head shots.

  46. Hotwaggy11 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:16 AM

    For those of you who note that the ball was already clear of the receiver before Ward ‘lowered his shoulder.’ take note of three things:
    1) Both Shipley and Wright are between Ward and the ball, so Ward would not be able to see it on the ground.
    2) Take a look at Shipley’s hands. He has them cradled as though he is trying to hold on to the ball. That is what Ward saw, and why he was attempting to jar loose a ball that wasn’t there.
    3) This happened at full speed without the benefit of multiple camera angles.
    It is a shame that Shipley got his bell rung. I don’t think Ward means that he would gladly injure another player. I think he means that it was a good, hard hit and the concussion was an unfortunate and unintended side effect. If he plays with fear that he will injur another player he is useless to his defense.
    Why is it that hard hits today are called cheap and dirty, but Ronnie Lott is in the Hall of Fame and still considered one of the best all time DBs. Go back and watch some of his hits. Under todays rules, he may have had to take out loans just to pay all of his fines.

  47. gm12086 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:18 AM

    Clean hit, even Deion Sanders on Gameday Final said so. He didn’t launch at Shipley or lead with his helmet. He led with his shoulder. Where else was he going to hit him? In the stomach?

  48. PFTiswhatitis says: Oct 4, 2010 10:19 AM

    “hdahs143 says:
    October 4, 2010 9:29 AM
    Not sure how it could be called a cheap shot. The receiver still had the ball in his hand, and the video clearly shows ward hitting him with his shoulder, not his helmet.”
    Yeah, except that he did not have the ball in his hands, the ball had already hit the ground and bounced back up. The hit was late.

  49. buckeye044 says: Oct 4, 2010 10:23 AM

    I like a hard hit as much as anyone…..but that was cheap.

  50. TMFChiefs says: Oct 4, 2010 10:29 AM

    Funny…I don’t remember hearing any of the bungles crying foul after Geathers’ cheap shot on Trent Green a couple years ago…..

  51. graphx says: Oct 4, 2010 10:32 AM

    TJ Wards answer on the “Defensive Back Aptitude Test” given at the Draft Combine
    Question 2.
    The best way to break up a pass to a receiver is:
    A. Use your hands to swat the ball away.
    B. A good clean hit.
    C. Make the man go unconscious.
    He chose C.
    Cheap shot. Nuff said.

  52. if yer not first... says: Oct 4, 2010 10:41 AM

    it was cheap – he forcefully and intentionally led his shoulder into Shipley’s face. Anybody that knows football knows there are several other ways to make that hit (eg: Ward places his face in Shipley’s chest and wraps him up)
    The ONLY reason to hit somebody like this is to hurt them.

  53. D_Gryphon says: Oct 4, 2010 10:47 AM

    Meh, it was a bang-bang play.

  54. RedsDouche says: Oct 4, 2010 10:52 AM

    I love how all these Browns fans are coming in here beating their chest over this scumbag making a hit on Shipley. You guys barely won against a Bengal team who is obviously struggling to get it together. You’ll still not win 8 games and now since this ass made a big hit, you’re acting like you have the best D in the league. The next team you play will bring you back down to reality and show you how bad you guys really are. Quit acting like your team is something now b/c this guy got a cheap shot in.

  55. nniifu says: Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM

    I’m just mad that Shipley deemed it necessary to run into Wards shoulder like that. Ward might have been hurt! Shipley should draw a fine for it.

  56. Hail2ThaRedskins says: Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM

    It is amazing how many people do not know the rules…
    I lost count how many times people have said it was a legal hit because he led with his shoulder. Newsflash: It doesn’t matter whether you lead with you helmet, shoulder, forearm, or thigh – YOU CAN NOT HIT A DEFENSELESS RECEIVER IN THE HEAD!!!!
    It was absolutely illegal and he will be getting a letter from the league office in the next day or so requesting a check and reminding him of the rules.
    Now the part of whether or not it is part of football is a different story. It use to be part of football, I think it should be part of football, but unfortunately the way the rules are written right now it is not part of football. Hell, quarterbacks and receivers don’t really need pads because you can’t hit them.

  57. Dramacydal says: Oct 4, 2010 11:02 AM

    GBfan- Ryan Grant? They knocked him out the game on his 2nd carry of the preseason. So there goes your tough guy.
    And please don’t compare Grant to Peterson. Peterson is a much more violent runner than Ryan Grant.

  58. Hollywood26 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:02 AM

    [img]http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2010/09000d5d81b06b2f_gallery_600.jpg[/img]

  59. StillMadAtSlobber says: Oct 4, 2010 11:04 AM

    I watched the replay from the link, and I still can’t see that the ball was cleanly and obviously incomplete. Ward is moving at speed. He can’t revert the laws of physics. He was intending to hit the player to force an incompletion. It was, as said a bang bang play. I don’t see how defenseless WR can even be called given how quick it was. Bengals & their fans always whine, its in the DNA.

  60. Maddog says: Oct 4, 2010 11:11 AM

    ArtModellsPimp says:
    October 4, 2010 10:01 AM
    Next TJ Ward “cheap shot?” Against Pittsburgh.
    Tighten up your chinstrap, raper. It’s gonna be fun watching you get assaulted and abused by the Browns’ D.
    Can’t wait… :0)
    ———————————————-
    Oh this is priceless. Browns manage to win one game and their fans are talking smack. All you’re doing is hurting your chances of getting Mallet or Luck in next years draft. Oh wait, I guess Seneca’s the man now.

  61. njhitman says: Oct 4, 2010 11:13 AM

    graphx says:
    October 4, 2010 10:06 AM
    Yeah, I suppose it’s part of the game if your playing prison rules.
    The ball was on the ground before he was hit.
    It was head to head first.
    If you can’t see that your blind.
    ——————————————–
    I guess you didn’t watch it Shipley had the ball he droped it after he was hit and it wasn’t head to head so I take it your blind

  62. Biglardawg says: Oct 4, 2010 11:14 AM

    MOEfish,
    “otherwise he would have actually tried to make a tackle”
    Where?? In the end zone, dum azz?

  63. Steeler fans are tools says: Oct 4, 2010 11:14 AM

    Hines Ward approves.

  64. BigBear123 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:15 AM

    Can’t go for the head regardless of it’s with helmet, shoulders or elbows. Commentators noted that and his fine will too.

  65. King Kreg says: Oct 4, 2010 11:15 AM

    @tdawg
    People like you are morons… go back and take a look at half the retired players from the 70s and try to have a conversation with them. Most of them sound like Ali by now. The lack of care or protection for the players health back then is what has lead to the huge controversy between the NFLPA and the retired players.
    NFL now wants to make the season 18 games which is so stupid. There will be so many more injuries and these 2 extra games will pretty much be like pre season games since all the coaches who have clinched will be resting starters.
    Not to mention that every record in this era goes out the window since any garbage team will be playing players all year long. Marinos yardage record would be gone in the first year.

  66. Duan says: Oct 4, 2010 11:17 AM

    Let me say this
    first and foremost, thank god there’s a Browns starting safety with some juevos!
    I have seen numerous hits by CB’s and safety’s in the end zone to break up touchdown passes, if he delivers the hit at the same time the ball makes contact with the receivers hands, then the DB just got credit for breaking up the play!
    But here is where the problem lays – TJ DELIVETRED THAT WOOD TO SHIPLEY JACK TATUM STYLE! lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He delivered a hit that a lot of players don’t want to be on the receiving end of – he landed it with his shoulder and landed it square in to Shipley’s chest! It was violent, nasty and mean – I’ve seen Ronnie Lott issues them, I’ve seen Steve Atwater issue them, I seen Eric Turner deilver them and I’ve seen Ty Law punish them and Ed Reed drop’em.
    If it was Troy Aumua Polamalu delivering that hit, Steeler fans would be rejoicing too for delivery a nasty hit
    well done TJ, “F” the haters! Go Browns

  67. js136202 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:17 AM

    Hit em in the head and the body’s dead. It was no more of a cheap shot than that piece of crap Ward trying to remove Rivers’ skull on a block. Don’t go over the middle if you don’t want to take a lick.
    As a Browns fan, I’m glad to see our guys laying wood. It was a malicious hit, but I wouldn’t say it was dirty.

  68. Ryan says: Oct 4, 2010 11:18 AM

    Good lord, all you people saying Ward should have tackled him, do you not know where the play happened???!!! In the ENDZONE!!! Lot of good a tackle does if Shipley holds onto the ball!!! Ward was separating Shipley from the ball.

  69. Loftus says: Oct 4, 2010 11:22 AM

    Its amazing how much ire the browns inspire even when they suck. Man I can’t wait until we are good again, if that ever happens.
    Helluva hit by Ward. He was flagged and will probably be fined. Rightly so, but to call him a “thug” for a hard late hit is a bit harsh.
    Every receiver is going to think twice before trotting over the middle of the field. Thats the point of having a hard hitting safety. They are analogous to enforcers in hockey.
    Everyone seems to think the Browns are awful. While I don’t totally disagree, we lost our first three games by a TOTAL of 13 points. We have no shot at the AFC North title, but we are an improving team.

  70. ch19079 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:24 AM

    I watched the video. Late hits on a “defensless player” is a gray area. However, in this case, the ball was already on the ground before the hit. So it was late.
    He lead with his sholder, but it looked like he was trying to hit the reciever in the head with his sholder, which he did.
    IMO it was a penalty.
    That said, there are many other cases in the NFL when the “defensless reciever” penalty is misused. This just was not one of them.

  71. cowboys1 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:25 AM

    he lead with his shoulder, but he aimed for his head. trying to knock the ball loose is one thing but trying to intentionally knock someone out, why else would you aim for their head, is cheap.

  72. hdahs143 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM

    StillMadAtSlobber says:
    October 4, 2010 11:04 AM
    I watched the replay from the link, and I still can’t see that the ball was cleanly and obviously incomplete. Ward is moving at speed. He can’t revert the laws of physics. He was intending to hit the player to force an incompletion. It was, as said a bang bang play. I don’t see how defenseless WR can even be called given how quick it was. Bengals & their fans always whine, its in the DNA.
    —-
    Watch the video again carefully. At about 9 seconds in you will see the ball bouncing up from the ground prior to the hit. I had to look twice myself.

  73. NE#12 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM

    It was a good play. If polamalu or reed does it there would have been no flag and announcers would have been gushing about them. Typical.

  74. mikecal645 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:30 AM

    Hollywood26, the ball was bouncing up from the ground at that point watch the video and not look for misleading still pictures.
    It’s pretty clear in the video I am not sure how anyone doesn’t see it. When they switch to the slow motion the ball is already on the ground and Ward hasn’t started lowering his shoulder yet.

  75. OuibeJazz says: Oct 4, 2010 11:31 AM

    King Kreg says: October 4, 2010 9:31 AM
    I mean this is def borderline… I don’t think it’s dirty or really cheap but you got to be smarter as a player now. That hit was very unecessary as the ball was on the ground well before the hit.
    King Kreg, lay down the crack pipe! THE BALL WAS STILL IN HIS HANDS according to the correct video of the incident. To set the record straight, it WAS a penalty according to NFL rules it would not have been a penalty if he’d hit the receiver BELOW the neck (i.e. not on his head). Although he led with his head (a penalty) it was not helmet to helmet contact. It also wasn’t a late hit. So, penalty? Yes. Cheap shot? No.

  76. windex666 says: Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM

    @ArtModellsPimp 49ers already threw the season in order to get Luck and Harbaugh.

  77. awdlmd says: Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM

    Anyone who thinks it was a remotely legal play knows nothing about football. He was clearly frustrated because nobody on their team could remotely cover old man TO.

  78. graphx says: Oct 4, 2010 11:41 AM

    Ok, Hollywood26 I looked again. The picture you supplied is one of the ball bouncing back into the air after it has already hit the ground. Watch the video it’s pretty obvious the ball had hit the ground before he’s hit.

  79. harshy says: Oct 4, 2010 11:46 AM

    Since when does Deon Sanders know anything abou tackling????

  80. PatricktheDookie says: Oct 4, 2010 11:48 AM

    Yes, cheap shot. No question. There’s nothing special about that hit – he took out the head of a defenseless receiver and bruised his brain.
    Hope he enjoys the $5k-$15k it is going to cost him.

  81. NoRingForYou says: Oct 4, 2010 11:53 AM

    Better keep your head on a swivel rookie!

  82. MVPnis says: Oct 4, 2010 11:54 AM

    Ronnie Lott made a hall of fame career from “cheap shots” like that

  83. ryanmc says: Oct 4, 2010 11:56 AM

    “…although NFL Network’s Deion Sanders notes that Ward led with his shoulder, not his helmet.”
    Which, of course, is completely irrelevant. Fact is he hit Shipley IN the head, which is against the rules. It doesn’t matter what part of his body hit Shipley’s head. Why do people who write/comment on football have such a hard time knowing the rules?

  84. graphx says: Oct 4, 2010 11:58 AM

    njhitman said: I guess you didn’t watch it Shipley had the ball he droped it after he was hit and it wasn’t head to head so I take it your blind
    Dude you are in serious denial if you believe that. Did you see the video?

  85. bacon! says: Oct 4, 2010 12:01 PM

    It was both and Palmer did him no favors by leading him into Ward.

  86. rpiotr01 says: Oct 4, 2010 12:01 PM

    Doesn’t matter if he leads with his shoulder, he led his shoulder into the receiver’s head. That’s illegal according to the rulebook and it should be.

  87. godofwine says: Oct 4, 2010 12:04 PM

    There was a play that our TE Ben Watson was hit in the back by a safety (I think his name is Ndukwe #41) and they called personal foul-defenseless receiver. I am a Browns fan and I thought that was crap.
    As far as this play with Shipley, safeties are taught to try to dislodge the ball. From his vantage point he couldn’t have been able to tell if the ball hit the ground already given the traffic. He was trying to separate the receiver from the ball. Simply put. He hit the guy by lowering his shoulder on Shipley’s shoulder. Should have been a clean hit. It cost us 4 points, because that play allowed the Bengals to get a first down instead of it being 4th down and they scored a TD versus a field goal.
    Good hit. Or as Austin Carr likes to say, “Bring the hammer down!”

  88. Scott P says: Oct 4, 2010 12:05 PM

    A beautiful hit that was exactly what Ronnie Lott did time and again. Awesome.

  89. Daniel Riddle says: Oct 4, 2010 12:05 PM

    Just another reason why Cleveland is better than Cinci…

  90. bigO says: Oct 4, 2010 12:09 PM

    When you take shot at someones head with you shoulder like that, its a cheap shot. It has nothing to do with him leading with his helmet or not, he shouldered shipley full speed and didnt hit him in the chest or the side – to his head. Its dirty, cheap, gutless.

  91. thedude says: Oct 4, 2010 12:15 PM

    big hit… whatever. congrats on finally getting a highlight, cleveland. it was definately a penalty after the same foul they called against Ndukwe, which was a joke…
    the BIGGEST joke of the game, however, was the holding call on our DT, on the stuffed run that would have given the browns 3rd and11 at their own 9 with only a few minutes remaining.

  92. scottlarock78 says: Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM

    To all the people saying the ball was on the ground watch the replay. It clearly shows Shipley still had the ball. If Ward didnt hit him it might have been a td.

  93. dbartdog says: Oct 4, 2010 12:17 PM

    Browns were looking for an impact DB…they got one…Hiney Ward, watch out brother….Ward is going to wipe that smirk off your face…I guarantee it…GO BROWNS!!!!!

  94. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Oct 4, 2010 12:33 PM

    That hit is the only newsworthy thing the Browns will do all year.

  95. craigja says: Oct 4, 2010 12:38 PM

    LOL… It was a clean plan, aggressive but clean. He led with his shoulder. If you want to change the rule do it but don’t penalize the player under the current rule. I would complain the flag should have been picked up.
    TJ – until they change the rule you SHOULD do it again and keep doing it.
    For the Cincy fans on here with all the smack talk towards the Browns. They beat you, get over it. Hillis made your LB’s look like girl scouts. Tough to stop a raging bull when you’re on your back.

  96. joeyboots13 says: Oct 4, 2010 12:43 PM

    Watch the video again carefully. At about 9 seconds in you will see the ball bouncing up from the ground prior to the hit. I had to look twice myself.
    ——-
    maybe next time mr. Ward should have taken the time to look carefully at the tape (twice) and he would realize that at 9 seconds into the play he should have just stopped. Penalty- yes (it was called) / cheap shot- that’s typical, every time a bengal gets hurt it’s a cheap shot

  97. A Football Fanatic says: Oct 4, 2010 1:04 PM

    dbartdog, People have been trying for a very long time to wipe that smile off of Wards face and it has yet to happen ans I really doubt that a clean or dirty hit by your beloved albeit 1-3 Brownies is going to have a chance at it. Plus you have to remember that Ward often times is the one dishing out that type of punishment and in two weeks it will be much of the same.

  98. dawgpoundgee says: Oct 4, 2010 1:04 PM

    It’s easy to pick apart the play in slow motion, but the game is played in real time. he led with his shoulder like his coaches have taught him too. Actually it is shipley’s helmet that hits into the side of Ward’s helmet. Shipley should thenbe fined as well.

  99. Sanchize says: Oct 4, 2010 1:09 PM

    Its football. deal with it. and im from cincinnati

  100. Saints-America'sTeam says: Oct 4, 2010 1:12 PM

    First of all I like the protect the defenseless players rules changes. I do. But to call this a cheap shot is ridiculous. Ward saw the ball bobbling in Shipley’s arms and gave him a big hit to knock it loose. The harsh reality is it’s part of the game. HE DID NOT LEAD WITH HIS HELMET as the announcer says.
    *I* couldn’t take a hit like that, but I don’t get paid like that either.

  101. navybrowns says: Oct 4, 2010 1:25 PM

    RedsDouche says:
    October 4, 2010 10:52 AM
    I love how all these Browns fans are coming in here beating their chest over this scumbag making a hit on Shipley. You guys barely won against a Bengal team who is obviously struggling to get it together. You’ll still not win 8 games and now since this ass made a big hit, you’re acting like you have the best D in the league. The next team you play will bring you back down to reality and show you how bad you guys really are. Quit acting like your team is something now b/c this guy got a cheap shot in.
    hahaha typical cincy baby…. we won against a struggling bengals team? YOU LOST TO THE BROWNS MORON!!!!! and 0-3 team prior, if thats not struggling, i don’t know what is…
    nobody is acting like we’re the best team in the league, no shit we’re not going to win 8 games….

  102. rea725 says: Oct 4, 2010 1:33 PM

    Next one’s for you, T.O.

  103. enders says: Oct 4, 2010 1:57 PM

    # TMFChiefs says: October 4, 2010 10:29 AM
    Funny…I don’t remember hearing any of the bungles crying foul after Geathers’ cheap shot on Trent Green a couple years ago…..
    ———————
    Probably because Eddie Kennison was the cause of that hit by pushing Geathers in the back and right into Green.

  104. bereado says: Oct 4, 2010 2:02 PM

    Good for the bungles- sucks, doesn’t it?
    The fact is that would not have been a penalty 5 years ago. Ward did exactly what a saftey is supposed to do- inform the receiver of his emergence into your personal area.
    It was not dirty, it was not cheap, it was football.
    You have to put on your big boy pants in the NFL.

  105. enders says: Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM

    # OuibeJazz says: October 4, 2010 11:31 AM
    King Kreg says: October 4, 2010 9:31 AM
    I mean this is def borderline… I don’t think it’s dirty or really cheap but you got to be smarter as a player now. That hit was very unecessary as the ball was on the ground well before the hit.
    King Kreg, lay down the crack pipe! THE BALL WAS STILL IN HIS HANDS according to the correct video of the incident. To set the record straight, it WAS a penalty according to NFL rules it would not have been a penalty if he’d hit the receiver BELOW the neck (i.e. not on his head). Although he led with his head (a penalty) it was not helmet to helmet contact. It also wasn’t a late hit. So, penalty? Yes. Cheap shot? No.
    ——————————
    You need to watch the video again, the ball was not in his hands and had bounced off the ground before Ward even lowered his shoulder to hit him

  106. berniekosar21 says: Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM

    @MOEfish Good call, he should of tried to make the tackle in the endzone instead of dislodging the ball…….

  107. Katmanduu says: Oct 4, 2010 2:13 PM

    Welcome to the NFL son!! Hit was clean. These guys aren’t in Matrix, where they can stop in mid-air. What if Shipley caught the ball? The hit would have seperated man from ball, and everyone would be calling it the hit of the year. The point is, these guys can’t stop on a dime, when losers like most of the crybabies posting here have the ability to stop and slow their DVRs.
    Another reason why the Bungles will never win.

  108. BuckFigBen says: Oct 4, 2010 2:15 PM

    Lets hope he gets to hit some Steeler WRs in a few weeks. Or better yet, lay out that rapist.

  109. njhitman says: Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM

    For all the ppl that say he went for his head . Ward was in full speed if you see the hit Shipley drops his head down so Shipley was the moron for droping his head down

  110. SportsDevil says: Oct 4, 2010 2:49 PM

    Watch it again. Ward was running at Shipley full speed, and when the pass was incomplete he couldn’t stop in time. And Ward wasn’t going at him with his helmet either. Shipley probably just needed an excuse to go back to the locker room and change his tampon.

  111. Saintsarebest says: Oct 4, 2010 2:59 PM

    i dare him to hit colston like that. dude is a ton of bricks!

  112. thewhodeykid says: Oct 4, 2010 3:10 PM

    All of these people defending Ward, you have defend Ndukwe who led with his shoulder and hit Watson in the back right before half. They flagged him for hitting a defenseless receiver and the guy actually had caught the ball, setting up a 35 yard fg after the penalty to give Cleveland 3 points.

  113. Duan says: Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM

    I have to add another comment!
    I hope TJ lays a hit like that on Hines Ward! lol!!!!
    That Ultra-homo–sexual is way over due on a hit from the Dawg Pound, especially after he kicked dirt at the Dawg Pound after scoring a couple of years ago! It is way overdue!
    I will take a big “L” just to see him lay a hit like that on Hines “I’m such a buster” Ward

  114. str8_cash says: Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM

    I love how Browns fans win one game and start to think they’re magically a viable playoff threat. That “feared” Browns defense that gave up 220 yards to the aging T.O. the week after giving up 150 and 3 TD’s to Boldin… Child, please. I’d still put my money on the Ward of Hines before TJ, tough guys.

  115. bringbacktheflex says: Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM

    Very questionable. I have no problem with hard hits, but DBs tend to be cheapshot artists. They drop to the ground to tackle someone who sees them coming, but are all tough when the guy isn’t looking. Ronnie Lott was like that but ESPN made him a HoF’er. Lott NEVER took guys on heads up if he could avoid it. He got run over when he tried it on TE’s. He always hit when the guy wasn’t looking or was wrapped up by someone else.
    And I’d be willing to bet that most of the comments here about it being “a man’s game” and Shipley being a wuss are from guy’s who never even played. It’s easy to talk big when you’re not the one pissing blood after a cheap shot, or getting a jaw wired after an unnecessary hit.

  116. I_luv_the_Clowns says: Oct 4, 2010 4:07 PM

    This site is full of so many homos that have never played the game.
    The Ward hit was fantastic and all of you queers know it.
    The penalty against Cincy earlier in the game for a helmet to helmet personal foul was BS also.
    Regardless of whether you support Cleveland, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc… Big hits are part of the game and they’re fun to watch.
    So if you think it was a cheap shot, then go back to your boyfriend’s house and lick his balls. F U.

  117. bringbacktheflex says: Oct 4, 2010 4:14 PM

    njhitman says: “For all the ppl that say he went for his head . Ward was in full speed if you see the hit Shipley drops his head down so Shipley was the moron for droping his head down ”
    Kind of silly evaluation. Tell you what, tuck your head down (put your chin on your chest) and have someone put their finger on your head where Shipley was hit. Now raise your head up.
    Where is that finger pointing? I’m guessing, unless you are the most weirdly built person, that it is still pointed at your face/neck area.
    If you are going to defend a cheap shot at least do it with some reality.

  118. THNKIMRT says: Oct 4, 2010 5:08 PM

    Would have been a legal hit, had he not hit him head first. More shoulder, less helmet next time.

  119. jbrownsjockitch says: Oct 4, 2010 5:40 PM

    It is ridiculous, we are talking about the NFL and not the WNBA. This is a contact sport where big boys get paid lots and lots of money with the understanding that there’s a good chance they are going to get injured at some point, whether the hit is considered legal or not. Ask Ronnie Lott what he thinks! I’m pretty sure he got the reputation he had for big hits just like Ward’s. Not all are going to timed perfectly he is just playing on instincts. I say keep it up T.J. you and Hillis are finally giving us browns fans something to cheer about!!! for you pansy a** pencil neck geek steelers, bungles, and ravens fans get used to your recievers getting jacked up by TJ for many years to come!! Get your Super Maxi Pad ready Hines !! Woof woof-Go Dawgs!!!

  120. Wet Paper Bag says: Oct 4, 2010 7:05 PM

    All of saying that it was a clean shot need to read the rule book again. A defender CANNOT lead either with his helmet, shoulder, or other appendage into an opposing player’s head or neck.
    It was a foul and should be fined accordingly. Case closed.

  121. Sandra Lee's Cans says: Oct 4, 2010 8:01 PM

    Isn’t Jordan a chick’s name? And isn’t Cincy known as the Queen City?

  122. HereThere says: Oct 4, 2010 8:54 PM

    # AttackRaven says: October 4, 2010 10:12 AM
    In two weeks the Steelers will take care of the Browns and the Browns will be on the receiving end.
    ————————————-
    So true, Attack. You should hear these little bitches scream and cry about Ray Lewis and Hines Ward. Now they have a thumper in TJ Ward and their balls suddenly grow.
    As for the hit on Shipley, he had already dropped the ball. Even Browns safety Mike Adams said that on the field, he thought it was clean. Then he saw it on replay and felt Ward lunged and kind of changed his mind.
    I hope Troy P. and Hines Ward rip up this gloried UFL team.

  123. HereThere says: Oct 4, 2010 9:04 PM

    I_luv_the_Clowns says: October 4, 2010 4:07 PM
    This site is full of so many homos that have never played the game.
    The Ward hit was fantastic and all of you queers know it.
    The penalty against Cincy earlier in the game for a helmet to helmet personal foul was BS also.
    Regardless of whether you support Cleveland, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc… Big hits are part of the game and they’re fun to watch.
    So if you think it was a cheap shot, then go back to your boyfriend’s house and lick his balls. F U.
    ________________________________
    Ooooooooooooooohhhhh! Big tough Browns fan!
    Sadly, this is about your basic comprehension level of most Cleveland sports fans!
    I’d ask this moron if he was 12, but he’s probably 30 and just returned from his job at the pretzel wagon at the mall!
    HILARIOUS! Keep ‘em coming, Browns idiots!

  124. OLDCRACKER says: Oct 4, 2010 10:27 PM

    The idea that the hit was a cheap shot or not is purely subjective. The NFL will deal with it.
    After watching the last 10 yrs, it was nice to see the Browns bring in a little taste of the SEC to play for them instead of against them. The Steelers and Ravens have playmakers on their D, now maybe the Browns have one.
    I don’t want to see anyone get hurt but this is the NFL afterall….makes Jerry Rice’s career all that more impressive. ;)

  125. euclidean says: Oct 4, 2010 11:52 PM

    Why don’t all you Bengals fans who think it was a cheap shot all go after Ward together and hit him with your purses?

  126. ShadyLampz says: Oct 5, 2010 2:56 AM

    # MACHINE GUN IBIZA says: October 4, 2010 9:49 AM
    I hope he enjoyed it. The NFL will be taking $15K from his next game check.
    ——————————————–
    I don’t think so. Thanks to the biggest fan base in the world, the Browns backers association has already launched a collection website for donations to pay for his fine. More players should want to come play for the Browns. We will reward you for well played football. =)

  127. sullijo says: Oct 5, 2010 8:33 AM

    We need to define cheap shot. It was definitely late, but not “cheap” in my opinion. This game is so fast, that I can forgive a play that occurs DURING the course of play.
    Penalty – yes. Fine – probably. Cheap – no.
    Cheap is when Courtland Finnegan throws a punch at a guy who’s helmet was ripped off 5 seconds after the whistle and away from the play. That’s CHEAP from an angry little man who clearly has off the field issues.

  128. shaunypoo says: Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM

    It doesn’t matter what he hits him with, a player should not purposefully hit another player in the head, regardless of position or intent. It is a tough game, but that was a dirty hit.

  129. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: Oct 5, 2010 4:37 PM

    tough game, but it was clearly a dirty ass cheap shot. anybody that says otherwise is a stupid Browns fan.
    The guy aimed for Shipley’s head, and gave him a concussion.
    This Ward will get what’s coming to him.

  130. contract says: Oct 5, 2010 6:09 PM

    Shipley got hurt because his head bounced off the turf, not because of the hit which was neither late, dirty, or particularly violent.
    It seems to me that people want to penalize and fine Ward for the outcome of the hit rather than for the hit itself.

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