Comments on: Is Peyton Manning the best ever? Jim Haslett thinks he may be

By: Occam

Occam — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:31:59 +0000

“garywizard says:
Manning has spent his entire career on a premiere team … ”
Funny how they became a premier team shortly after Manning arrived. Must be a coincidence.

By: BengalsFan1993-Present

BengalsFan1993-Present — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:40:41 +0000

Montana, hands down! The 49ers were a joke of a team with Steve Deberg at QB. Joe had the QB rating, the rings, and was the greatest clutch QB of all time. He won 2 SBs before Rice ever got involved, then won 2 more with him. He also took the MVP twice, with a 112.4 QB rating in 1988. Then he took the Chiefs to the AFC title game in the twilight of his career. When you take ALL of these things into consideration, Joe Cool was the best.
In this generation, people seem to over-rate Tom Brady. Other than that 50 td season, when else has he been amazing? His QB rating is usually Carson Palmer-esque. Manning is the best of our generation, but he lacks the clutch ability of Montana.

By: hiker2424

hiker2424 — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:38:35 +0000

First, let me state that I am a NE Pats fan. That said, I would still say that Peyton Manning is a better QB. Here is my top 12 list:
1. Unitas–invented the modern QB
2. Montana-4 rings and could have had more
3. Otto Graham–could have won a dozen super bowl with Paul Brown
4. Manning
5. Bart Starr–GB king. but ready to fall to 6
6. Brady-on the rise again.
7. Elway
8. Staubach–Roger over and out
9. Norm Van Brocklin–old Rams and Eagles
10. Sammy Baugh–the first QB
11. Marino
12. Favre–falls every year he plays from now on
Check the “stats” and ability of Graham, Van Brocklin, and Baugh–without the high tech, coaching, and money. Eventually Manning and Brady may further rise, but Unitas, Montana and Graham were tough.

By: Facts Domino

Facts Domino — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:39:19 +0000

How is Terry Bradshaw even mentioned.
Archie Manning or Brian Sipe or nearly any other 70′s qb would have had a better shot at winning 6 rings with the Steelers, than Bradshaw would have had at one with the Saints or Browns.
The majority of the fans that diss Manning do so because they don’t like him.
He’s been the best in the NFL for close to a decade and already is in my book , but will most certainly go down as the best to play the game by the time he hangs it up, with 600td passes, and 80-85k passing yards and hopefully a couple of more rings to satisfy the ignorant.

By: Benny Mendenberger-Ward

Benny Mendenberger-Ward — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:30:12 +0000

He is the best QB to ever play the game, plain and simple and he has been for a couple years now. I’m no Colts fan either, but I gotta give props to the guy.

By: Mike Daly

Mike Daly — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:18:57 +0000

bb, last year typifies why Manning will never be best ever – he cost his team in the Superbowl like he’s cost them in the playoffs throughout his career.
pga5 – Walsh was not a successful coach until Montana began performing. Manning’s playoff failures were aggravated by Dungy etc. but the fact he has choked in the postseason under THREE head coaches indicates it’s ultimately him.

By: bb

bb — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:32:15 +0000

panteraphenomenon: “This is rediculous. The guy is on track to break Favre’s TD record, Yards record. Just the fact that the guy is one of the best in the game at 34 years old, he still looks to be in the prime of his career. The guy is easily top 3 all time. The guy doesnt even need a co-ordinator.”
I have to say, I agree with this. And yes, I’ll admit I am a Colts fan to begin with, but I have to also say that Peyton really does deserve more credit than he gets. Just because he doesn’t have a million SB rings doesn’t negate his ability. What about last year? Colts were on track to go 16-0…and they most likely would have, except for the powers-that-be removing their starters prematurely in the Jets game. Is that Peyton’s fault? If the defense totally sucks, and we lose games on the fault of the defense, is that Peyton’s fault? If the Colts (as they are now) are completely riddled with injuries on both sides of the field, is that Peyton’s fault?
Consider some of the wins Peyton has engineered over the years. Shattering records left and right in many areas. I don’t think you can dismiss him because of SB wins alone.
Simply because the media has portrayed him as “choker” for so long, people have bought into that hype. But no team can survive on a great quarterback alone, they have to have a great supporting staff and players around them. There are many quarterbacks with zero/one ring in their careers and you don’t hear them portrayed as people portray Peyton.
Plus, have you seen his commericals? “Cut that meat” “Maybe, Peyton Manning’s team, maybe.” Classic.

By: footballfan

footballfan — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:30:17 +0000

I agree that rings are not the only way to pick the best, but it has to be a factor! Joe Montana is the best by far! When his team was down he was the guy who lead his team to the win. Manning choked himself into a pick six in the superbowl. He choked against Pittsburgh in the playoffs. He choked a few times against NE in the playoffs. Hell, Ty Law picked him off 3 times in one playoff game. Seems to me when the pressure is on in the playoffs very seldom does he come out ahead.

By: OntBoltFan

OntBoltFan — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:42:58 +0000

It has to be by SB rings. Noone in history has been surrounded by the talent Manning has. Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Addai, Donald Brown all #1 picks. Pretty sure Edg James was too. Meanwhile their D is stinks save a few stars.
Manning’s pick 6 in the SB will be his last SB memory. Joe Montana, Young, Elway, Aikman wouldn’t have made that idiot throw so he’s not near their level.
What is more impressive is some of the QB’s of today like Rivers, Brady and Aaron Rodgers putting up similar #’s with middling talent.

By: panteraphenomenon

panteraphenomenon — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:15:19 +0000

This is rediculous. The guy is on track to break Favre’s TD record, Yards record. Just the fact that the guy is one of the best in the game at 34 years old, he still looks to be in the prime of his career. The guy is easily top 3 all time. The guy doesnt even need a co-ordinator.

By: pga5

pga5 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:15:12 +0000

pga5 – if by “playing with the greatest player in the history of the game” you mean Jerry Rice, you miss the two titles Montana won before Rice was drafted.
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True enough. Okay, he had Rice for half of his titles. It’s also true that Manning hasn’t had a Hall-of-Fame coach. I like Tony Dungy and Tom Moore but they don’t belong in the same conversation with Bill Walsh. Manning is largely responsible for taking Jim Caldwell…a failed head coach at Wake Forest…to a Super Bowl. I’m not sure Joe could have done the same.

By: Pervy xx

Pervy xx — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:51:47 +0000

Tarvaris Jackson will be the greatest QB to never play because Chilly is jealous of his hanger….

By: Mike Daly

Mike Daly — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:56:12 +0000

pga5 – if by “playing with the greatest player in the history of the game” you mean Jerry Rice, you miss the two titles Montana won before Rice was drafted.

By: pga5

pga5 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:20:52 +0000

Manning has to be considered as one of the greatest QB’s, if not the greatest in the history of the game. I’m not a Manning fan at all–he’s arrogant, a huckster and generally a douche… but he’s great. Without him, Indianapolis is a more disciplined version of Oakland.
Montana: Joe’s got rings, but labeling him as the greatest is absurd. The majority of his titles were won while he was playing with the greatest player in the history of the game; along with some Hall-of-Famers.
Rings, rings, Super Bowl rings. This isn’t basketball where you can have a one-man team. Its kind of an overrated area when it comes to “greatest QB” unless that QB also happens to be the general manager. Rings make Bob Griese the greatest QB in Dolphins history. I don’t even think Brian Griese would tell you that.

By: Ruvell200

Ruvell200 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:07:43 +0000

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Starr
5. Elway
6. Brady
7. Young
8. Manning
9. Kelly
10. Graham
10b. Bradshaw
That’s all for now. Before you laugh about Starr, look at his playoff record. Don’t forget who is STILL the highest rated passer in playoff history. And that was back when you could mug receivers all day.

By: The Real Shuxion

The Real Shuxion — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:16:57 +0000

Montana is the greatest of all time. The fact that people even bring up Manning, Brady or Rothelisberger (not even an HOF) is ridiculous.
Manning has the best arm of all time but Montana is the greatest.
List:
1. Montana
2. Marino
3. Manning
4. Elway
5. Brady/Aikman

By: ArcticEdge

ArcticEdge — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:46:01 +0000

Favre is the best ever. No one will ever be better or break his records. He’s so elite that the HOF will probably lift the 5 year requirement and induct Favre the year after he retires.

By: Tims_mom

Tims_mom — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:57:52 +0000

@Richm2257
Were you even alive during Marino’s prime, in the mid-late 80′s????? He had a great offensive line, a couple of world class receivers, and a better than average defense, yet for all of his passing stats he only got to the big show once, and lost.
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Better than average defense??? I don’t know what team you were watching, but it wasn’t the Dolphins. Their D was terrible.
In 1986, Marino threw 44TD’s………as the Dolphins go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. They couldn’t stop anybody.

By: bodhisattva

bodhisattva — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:31:50 +0000

Manning is unquestionably a fine QB. I think something that gets ignored is that he appears to be a bad team-mate and a terrible bitch!

By: Gautam

Gautam — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:12:38 +0000

@Richm2257, Bradshaw didn’t have to face the Steel Curtain. I’m not saying. I am just saying.

By: Mike Daly

Mike Daly — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:27:18 +0000

Champ Kind, here are the facts that refute your argument -
1 – There never was any cheating.
2 – Brady’s comebacks almost always involved MULTIPLE scoring drives.
3 – Brady took abuse in delivering the ball that the likes of Manning never get.
4 – Brady is less dependant on penalties to advance the ball than Manning is.

By: Mike Daly

Mike Daly — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:24:15 +0000

GBFanForever -
1 – Brady
1A – Montana
2 – Unitas
3 – Bradshaw
4 – Young
5 – Elway
6 – Marino
7 – McNair
8 – Manning
9 – Esiason
10 – Moon
But if it’s a playoff game, I erase Manning, Marino, and Moon from that last, and Favre doesn’t appear on any such list.

By: GBfanForever

GBfanForever — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:36:23 +0000

Greatness isn’t accurately measured by yardage or tds. If it was, Warren Moon would be in the discussion. This argument is settled by asking the simple question;
What QB, in their prime, would you take if you needed to win one game?
I would take, in this order: 1) Montana 2)Elway 3) Marino. Then I’d start thinking about favre, manning, and Starr or even young. That’s a tough list.

By: TheWizard

TheWizard — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:51:02 +0000

Tom Brady= overrated
Stop and consider how stupid you sound.

By: DSC

DSC — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:52:38 +0000

# Facts Domino says: October 16, 2010 7:13 PM
Tire slasher, you don’t get it.
The Pats were a break or two away from making the playoffs without Brady.
The Colts don’t win 3 games with out Manning. So that must be something else that you fail to get.
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice to hear some logic from someone!
To those of you who say Manning is a baby, or throws his teammates under the bus, if he doesn’t get on his teammates, they don’t perform, when he does they respond, he gets the most out of what he has….if he is on the Pats they win 6 SBs atleast…

By: opshuns

opshuns — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:52:14 +0000

Joe Cool… subject over with….

By: DSC

DSC — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 15:05:32 +0000

@ Pervy……idiot…..
Yes Manning is the best, look at the team he took to the SB last year…..impressive
So are you gonna take Emmit Smith and his 3 SBs over Barry Sanders and his zero? Exactly…Barry everytime….
Tom Brady won his Super Bowls with great defenses….the year they needed the offense to win it they blew it to the Giants….Tom Brady= overrated…..theres a reason only 2 HOF QBs said they would take TB over Peyton last summer when questioned….

By: fiveiron

fiveiron — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:05:05 +0000

“Best Ever” is a term for people with short memories or no sense of history.

By: Facts Domino

Facts Domino — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:42:03 +0000

Big bear,
That pick six is on Reggie let me run a halfassed route Wayne.
Only balls Roethlisberger has in the bar.

By: Nitro

Nitro — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:21:57 +0000

Haha, I love how it turns into a patriots/spygate thing. Videotaping vs. using scouts with binoculars and notebooks mixed in with lipreaders. 1=cheating 2=gamesmanship. lol. Belichick just streamlined the process, he’s now been forced to go back to how everyone else does it. But carry on with the tarnished fantasy.