Comments on: Dolphins-Packers one-liners

By: Beer Cheese Soup

Beer Cheese Soup — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:37:04 +0000

acs3 says:
BCS, I don’t think firing Slocum will help Tim Masthay get better hang time, or help Crosby hit game-winning kicks or stop the tide of injuries from sapping the ranks of the special teams units…
But it’d be a nice start.
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That’s all I ask. Even a small step in the right direction would help a lot at this point. And no, Anthony Smith doesn’t qualify.

By: drewboyy

drewboyy — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:52:07 +0000

“It is no different than a borderline PI call where some interference may have occured, but typically not enough to draw a flag.”
its quite different. pass interference is a penalty that occurs at the point of attack. illegal formation is not. no advantage was gained, plus his position had no bearing on the play whatsoever. most importantly, he was lined up correctly…according to the rules. they made bad calls all game. had they spent as much energy in making all of their calls as they did on this one “insignificant” punt formation infraction, perhaps its a more enjoyable game to watch. as it stands, the zebras are slowly ruining my enjoyment of football. not just packer games, every game.

By: sand0

sand0 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:37:29 +0000

God these comments crack me up. Packer fans, in the same run on sentence like this one, will complain about the “bad call” that cost them and also say something high and mighty like at least we aren’t Vi-homoerotic-word-of-choice fans with their excuse making. Pot kettle, kettle pot.
You do realize that Packer fans are without a doubt the most delusional excuse making fans in the NFL? I mean you do realize that there hasn’t been a season in 50 years in which they weren’t unfortunate not to win it all?
Food for thought on the call.
If you look at the call, the front foot of the player is at the very most 1 yard and two inches from the front nose of the football. He is lined up directly over center. If you line up that way every down, then you will occasionally get called. He made a mistake to line up there. I doubt he is coached to push the envelope like that. It is no different than a borderline PI call where some interference may have occured, but typically not enough to draw a flag. Plus, this rule is to protect the neck of the center so for Christ’s sake defenders shouldn’t be exploring the limits of that particular rule.
Other food for thought. The Ronnie Brown play he was given an absurdly bad spot. The ref deemed it wasn’t bad enough however to overturn. Forget the yellow line. The ball was placed short and it gave the Packers the ball. Bad call. I’d personally say it was even worse than the special teams call because the spot was much more than a couple inches off.
Dolphins get one close call go their way and go score a TD. Packers get one close call to go their way and do not score a TD. How did they really get screwed again? Maybe instead of making excuses, and yes you delusional ass clowns are, you should just accept that your team did nothing with its good call while your opponent slammed it in.
Vikings fans get accused of excuse making largely due to one game, in which they got screwed. I mean, they did it to themselves. Absolutely in many ways they did. But so many calls and spots and of course fluky crap went against them it was a game fully worthy of excuses. It is the only time in the history of the NFL playoffs that a team has outgained their opponent by that yardage differential and lost.
So we had a right to have excuses for that one game only. Hell I’ll admit the Vikes were lucky to beat the Cowboys yesterday and I hate the damn Cowboys fans.
Packer fans have no excuse for that game. They were beat at home by a better team in a game Vegas deemed accurately to be an even line contest. Nothing happened bad towards them that wasn’t balanced out. Packers had 10 less first downs and 30 less yards despite getting 86 on one play. They were mildly dominated in a very close game in which the tougher minded team won.

By: Wisconsin_Myself

Wisconsin_Myself — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:13:10 +0000

tePackers are at the finish line

By: acs3

acs3 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:47:01 +0000

BCS, I don’t think firing Slocum will help Tim Masthay get better hang time, or help Crosby hit game-winning kicks or stop the tide of injuries from sapping the ranks of the special teams units…
But it’d be a nice start.

By: RexRyan'sStressedLapband

RexRyan'sStressedLapband — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:42:27 +0000

5 words:
Cam Wake is a beast.
That is all.

By: Altschul

Altschul — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:33:25 +0000

I’m impartial in this. I am hearing pathetic whining from both sides, which is much more pathetic from Fish fans– YOU WON THE GAME! STOP BITCHING! And Packers fans: You had a chance to win the game in OT– STOP BITCHING!
I think one thing most fans can agree on: If there is a call that is controversial, game-changing, and that royally screws a team or an individual to the point that it makes the news, chances are Ed Hochuli made it.
The guy either needs to spend more time in the film room and less in the weight room, or be fired. He is one of the worst refs ever.

By: Beer Cheese Soup

Beer Cheese Soup — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:23:54 +0000

“Miami’s special teams got the job done, two weeks after a debacle that got a special teams coach fired.”
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Maybe the Packers can learn something from this example..

By: 1mge

1mge — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:41:40 +0000

Learn the rules before you post, if you lead with the helmit its a flag and he led with his helmit!

By: JJV

JJV — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:07:21 +0000

# dcryan82 says: October 18, 2010 2:23 PM
JJV Says…
Is that why he now has two chipped teeth?
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He got 2 chipped teeth because he is playing a contact sport without a mouthpiece… That combined with getting sacked 5 times and getting LEGALLY ROCKED by Randy Starks had something to do with it.. What does where his helmet hit have to do with chipped teeth?? Look at the replay. Not helmet to helmet. no piledriving. Starks head was to the side of Rodgers.
Quit crying.. Man’s game son.
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You do not need to patronize me. I have played football. Being hit in the chest or stomach does not cause teeth to become chipped. I have chipped a tooth, and it is pretty obvious to the person when it happens. It is not something you notice minutes or hours later.
But hey, when the NFL hands out a fine like they did last week to the guy from Washington, even though no flag was thrown, I will be able to stop ‘crying.’

By: dcryan82

dcryan82 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:23:28 +0000

JJV Says…
Is that why he now has two chipped teeth?
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He got 2 chipped teeth because he is playing a contact sport without a mouthpiece… That combined with getting sacked 5 times and getting LEGALLY ROCKED by Randy Starks had something to do with it.. What does where his helmet hit have to do with chipped teeth?? Look at the replay. Not helmet to helmet. no piledriving. Starks head was to the side of Rodgers.
Quit crying.. Man’s game son.

By: JJV

JJV — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:28:41 +0000

Batman1113 says: October 18, 2010 10:47 AM
Zbon….that was not a spear my man. His head was up and he hit him with the shoulder pad to the chest. Rodgers needs to quit crying (though I like him as long he isn’t playing the Fins). Favre would never cry like that.
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Is that why he now has two chipped teeth?

By: pkrlvr

pkrlvr — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:21:05 +0000

Rofldgers, you’re not Brett Favre are you? Just saying cause judging from your post you’re typing with one hand:) Seriously, if you don’t think AR is a good QB you’re an idiot. He just needs more experience.
Jimmysmith, don’t you think it’s a little sad that you have to work in a vikings insult on every single post you ever make. It’s old and pathetic. Get a new hobby.

By: dcnflfan

dcnflfan — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:16:14 +0000

I am not a fan of either team, but thought that GB would win. I was surprised at how poorly Rodgers is playing lately. Five sacks were horrible. I can’t speak for every one, but most looked like he held the ball too long. Even the homer Journal-Sentinel was actually critical of Rodgers’ play, McCarthy’s coaching, and Thompson’s cheapness.

By: ftomeo

ftomeo — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:13:23 +0000

GetGlasses, can you point me to video because I clearly only saw him put his hand down. Can't recall how it could even appear to you that his forearm was down. As for Pack fans, I think this post makes clear the lined up over center call: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/105143599.html?page=2 Don't agree with his conclusion (don't think it's clear where his foot is or if his head leaned in any more than what we see in this one frame), but it certainly shuts down the people saying, "But he was 3 feet away." (He has to be further than a yard away.)

By: GetGlasses

GetGlasses — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:57:41 +0000

For those of you complaining about the Ronnie Brown call, look at it again and you’ll see his forearm was down for 1/2 a second well before he reached the first down.
The refs got the call right.

By: ROFLDGERS

ROFLDGERS — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:45:02 +0000

AHAHAHA EVERYONE IS BLAMING THE REFS, BUT WHERE’S THE BLAME ON ROFLDGERS?!?!?!? THE DOOD HAD SO MANY CHANCES TO WIN BUT HE’S A CHOKE ARTIST PEOPLE, WHAT HAS HE EVER WON IN HIS LIFE??? MATTHEW STAFFORD HAS AS MANY PLAYOFF VICTORIES AS AARON ROFLDGERS!!!!!
-ROFLDGERS

By: texasPHINSfan

texasPHINSfan — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:41:35 +0000

“The Packers got screwed 2 more times, on the illegal contact call on Woodson and the non-call when Rodgers got laid out. Brandon Marshall ran through Woodson who has just as much right to be standing where he was on the field.”
crazy talk.
the wide receiver has a right to run his route. woodson was trying to set a pick on the route and jam him, that’s not legal. that gets called 10 times out of 10.
for a game that had plenty of calls go both ways, you sure are seeing a lot of excuse-making by packer fans. you guys fought hard, but the better team won, let’s admit that.

By: Ruvell200

Ruvell200 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:13:46 +0000

I thought the Pack finally showed some heart in the 4th quarter, but the fact remains that this team is just decimated by injuries, are out of sync offensively, and play with no sense of urgency.
As far as the officiating is concerned, I would just like to watch one NFL game without ridiculously blown calls. The penalty on the punt was NOT a penalty, by rule. The 4th and 1 was CLEARLY a first down. Sure, bad calls for both teams, but how can these gaffes happen every game?

By: LongTimeFootballFan

LongTimeFootballFan — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:09:43 +0000

I’m a Packer fan and the Dolphins definitely got screwed. Everyone knew he got it. I understand if they get the initial call wrong, but Hochuli went into the booth, with the same view everyone in American had that clearly showed Brown was a good foot past the 1st down line. The is a BS call.
And yes, the call on Francois was absolutely BS. There’s no way to dispute the photo evidence…he was AT LEAST a yard off the line, if not more. Yes he was lined up over the LS, no disputing that, but look at the freakin side view…most definitely off the line.
The Packers got screwed 2 more times, on the illegal contact call on Woodson and the non-call when Rodgers got laid out. Brandon Marshall ran through Woodson who has just as much right to be standing where he was on the field. If receivers can draw penalties by running right through defenders then there is seriously something wrong with the rules. If that’s what is allowed to happen, then every offense should send their receivers out and just lay out defenders every play like Marshall did. And Rodgers, once again, doesn’t get a call when Starks absolutely blasted him long after he threw the ball. Hochuli was watching the entire time also and didn’t even consider throwing the flag. That’s really messed up especially considering Rodgers is coming off a concussion and the NFL is apparently trying to help prevent concussions.
Not saying there is some kind of conspiracy, not saying that at all. There is so much inconsistency from these refs all over the NFL it’s awful. The need to hire professional refs who will follow the rules exactly. They need to do 3 things with the officiating in my opinion:
1) they need to allow teams to challenge penalties because some of these ridiculous game killers would be overturned if that was an option.
2) they need to be able to call penalties from reviews. A team should be able to challenge a penalty took place, like a receiver pushing off for example.
3) every penalty needs to be confirmed in the booth by a professional replay official. I don’t care if it makes the game longer, they need to be 100% if they’re about to completely screw over a team like that.
All that said, the Dolphins deserved to win because they played a heck of a game. I won’t take anything away from them.

By: 1mge

1mge — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:01:57 +0000

What down lineman? The closest player to the center is #49 who is clearly 3ft+ away? He is lined up vertically with the center as you can see their both on the hash mark which is legal if he’s 3ft away.
Yes both Brown’s run & Henne’s slide were poor judgement calls. This was the wrong call.

By: ftomeo

ftomeo — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 11:00:16 +0000

1mge, not clear on how very clear video evidence that Brown’s hadn was the only thing touching the ground is a judgment call.
As for the punt formation, are Packers fans actually suggesting that GB should continue to line up in precisely the same way on punt formations going forward, expecting the officials to get it “right”? Or maybe, just maybe, it would actually be best to move the lineman over 15″ to the left or right and actual be in an undisputably “legal” formation?

By: Batman1113

Batman1113 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:47:26 +0000

Zbon….that was not a spear my man. His head was up and he hit him with the shoulder pad to the chest. Rodgers needs to quit crying (though I like him as long he isn’t playing the Fins). Favre would never cry like that.
What is sad, as a Football fan first and foremost, is how the Packers have gone from a tough team to a finesse team. The Dolphins won this game because they were the tougher team, not the most talented. And coaching makes a difference … look at the Cowboys. They are one of the most talent laden teams in the NFL and are 1-4. Why? Undisciplined bunch of diva’s with a weak coach. Shanahan is turning the Skins into a winner and don’t have nearly the talent the Cowboys have. Same in Detroit.

By: Batman1113

Batman1113 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:42:03 +0000

OK… because I am big enough to admit an error if I make one I went back and looked at the picture. The penalty was called on #49, which is in error. But the down lineman was covering the center and that is a penalty. They called the wrong number (which happens alot!), but the penalty was there.
And I agree with the other posts about the Packer fans … where’s the outcry over the 4th down call which was OBVIOUSLY an error?

By: 1mge

1mge — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:27:35 +0000

How about Henne sliding like he was going into home plate on 3rd & long and getting a spot way in front of where he started to slide. Remember the Dolphins racing to the line to run a quick play as they knew it was a gift? That play & Brown’s play were were BOTH BAD JUDGEMENT calls (1 each way) but the punt formation was an INCORRECT call. Big difference!
Lions Superbowl 2011

By: Old_Style

Old_Style — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:17:29 +0000

That officiating was terrible, for both teams. Unfortunately for the Packers, so was their coaching, punting, O-line, execution…

By: zbon1234

zbon1234 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:13:56 +0000

Yes, I am a Packer fan, and yes I do feel that the better team won yesterday but isn’t it ironic that clear headed fans, such as everyone pointing out the fact that the poor call on the4-1 might have lead to a TD or a fg, don’t realize that the incorrect call was made and that also lead to a TD when the Packers should have received the ball. Look at it from both sides and then nobody will have anything to bitch or complain about. One thing we can all agree about is the fact that Hochuli is a total joke for a referre, he is more concerned with how buff he is than making the correct call. There were numerous other obvious calls that were missed in this game as well, such as the spear on Aaron Rodgers that wasn’t called. You know its bad when the NFL continually fines players for these infractions but they are too blind to realize it on the field of play. Isn’t that the point of having the ref behind the QB this year? Might as well change that because it isn’t helping anything.

By: LBPACKFAN

LBPACKFAN — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:11:01 +0000

Can someone explain Chad Hennes slide on a 3rd down play in the first half? Why was that a first down? Per rules, it is where he begins his slide…he wouldve been short and thus the Fins wouldve punted more than likely. Instead, they get a 1st down and end up hitting a FG.

By: william sizemore

william sizemore — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:09:27 +0000

A note to the Packers, winners count there money, and losers say give me another chance to win, or cry about a flag that didn’t go there way. Bill

By: ACS2

ACS2 — Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:05:41 +0000

ftomeo says:
October 18, 2010 9:41 AM
I’d love to hear what Packers fan think of the Ronnie Brown 4th down conversion. By far the worst call of the game, possibly the weekend if not for the Andre Johnson PI call. But with the 4th down conversion, you actually had very clear video showing that he was not down — in a way that wasn’t subjective in the least and was reviewable. That was at least a 6 point swing at a critical time early in the game. I don’t want to whine about 1 bad call (unlike others) but that’s the Hochuli call that truly deserves attention.
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As a Packer fan, I can tell you I thought that was a terrible call as well. Both were bad calls, both resulted in the wrong team getting the ball.
I don’t know about a 6 point swing, though. You can’t convince me you know what would’ve happened after that.
At any rate, when was the last time you saw a ball position challenge upheld? I’ve seen coaches challenge the position of the ball dozens of times and I don’t think I’ve ever seen them actually move the ball after review. I think there’s a good reason for that.. The yellow line we see is unofficial–and I assume it doesn’t appear on the screen Hochuli uses. So he’s left to use landmarks on the field to determine how far the ball carrier went. It’s not easy to do.
Having said that, I think there was more than enough evidence on review for him to move the ball forward and grant a first down. I think Brown was clearly past the marker.