James Harrison debate continues

Steelers linebacker James Harrison doesn’t think he broke the rules when he delivered a helmet-to-helmet hit against Browns receiver Mohamed Massaquoi.  And he continued to make his case on Tuesday’s Dan Patrick Show.

“I
would definitely be shocked if I was suspended for that,” Harrison
said, hours before he was fined $75,000.  “If you take a look at that hit you will see I am lowering my
angle to try and hit him in his waist.  At the last minute he lowers down
and comes into contact with my head.  I can’t stop that.  What do they
want me to do, dive in the dirt?  Last minute we catch helmet to helmet
and I can’t control that.”

Harrison raised a good point regarding the difference between hitting a guy high and hitting a guy low.  Though hits to the knees and legs of runners and receivers are considered clean under the rules, players who are hit in the knees get upset by such assaults on their livelihood, and they consider the move dirty.

Either way, Harrison apparently won’t get the message about head safety based on a fine.  And for good reason.  Though the $75,000 penalty nearly matches two game checks under his 2010 base salary of $750,000, Massaquoi’s agent, Brian Ayrault, told Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer that the fine represents only a small portion of Harrison’s total pay since getting his long-term contract extension in April 2009. 

“They fined him $75,000 and he’s earned over $20 million the past couple
years,” Ayrault told Grossi.  “What kind of deterrent is that?  That’s less than one percent.”  (Ayrault raises a good point that we’ve mentioned in the past; fines should be based not on game checks but on cap number, which takes into account bonus amounts spread over time.)

“I think the only way you deter this type of behavior is to suspend
him,” Ayrault said.  “You have to make the team play without one of their best players. 
Cleveland might be without Mohamed this week and Harrison plays on for
the Steelers.  How is that fair to the Browns?

“The Browns are going to be minus a starter. The Steelers should be minus a starter.”

Ayrault is right.  Still, Harrison says he won’t be doing things differently, an observation he provided even before finding out he wouldn’t be fined.

“To
really be honest, I don’t think it’s going to change the way I play the
game,” Harrison said. “There’s a lot of hoopla going around that I’m a
dirty player.  I’m not trying to injure anyone.  It’s a physical game,
it’s a violent game.  You’re going to get hurt.”

But even without an intent to injure, playing in a way that is intended to inflict pain inevitably will result in injury.  Or, possibly, playing in a way aimed at merely teaching a lesson.

He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn’t coming off the track,” Harrison said in August after flattening Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton, who made the mistake of trying to tackle Harrison after he returned a turnover that ultimately was turned over by replay review.

“He was popping off down there the first
time they were about to score,” Harrison said.  “So you run your mouth, expect to get
something.  Everything’s between the lines, so he got what he had
coming.”
 

Sorry, but a guy like that won’t learn his lesson from a fine or a single-game suspension. 

We’re not sure even a multi-game suspension would change him.

186 responses to “James Harrison debate continues

  1. Harrison isn’t smart enough to comprehend it.
    In 20 years, he will be walking around in a daze, but that is no different than today.

  2. Harrison isn’t smart enough to comprehend it.
    In 20 years, he will be walking around in a daze, but that is no different than today.

  3. Massaquoi bobbled the ball at the last second and his head dropped because of this, thus the helmet to helmet collision. Nothing like some of the other helmet to helmet spear hits that are being grouped with this.
    And bringing up the place where he ran over Orton? Don’t all players try to bang up the QB when an interception is thrown? Plus Harrison had the ball…is the NFL going to start protecting QBs when they are tackling opposing players?
    There is no debate, he is a tough nosed linebacker no different than the LT, Ray Lewis mold…this is a contact sport and all defensive players would probably agree with Harrison.

  4. Massaquoi bobbled the ball at the last second and his head dropped because of this, thus the helmet to helmet collision. Nothing like some of the other helmet to helmet spear hits that are being grouped with this.
    And bringing up the place where he ran over Orton? Don’t all players try to bang up the QB when an interception is thrown? Plus Harrison had the ball…is the NFL going to start protecting QBs when they are tackling opposing players?
    There is no debate, he is a tough nosed linebacker no different than the LT, Ray Lewis mold…this is a contact sport and all defensive players would probably agree with Harrison.

  5. While I concede that player protection is an issue, I think you are being rather unfair to Harrison. I watched the hit again and he was clearly not aiming for the head. It is a persons natural reaction to try and protect the middle of their body when they know they are going to get hit, so ball carriers are always going to lower their head. I don’t know what a solution would be, but I think painting Harrison as some dirty, psycho, hit machine isn’t fair.

  6. While I concede that player protection is an issue, I think you are being rather unfair to Harrison. I watched the hit again and he was clearly not aiming for the head. It is a persons natural reaction to try and protect the middle of their body when they know they are going to get hit, so ball carriers are always going to lower their head. I don’t know what a solution would be, but I think painting Harrison as some dirty, psycho, hit machine isn’t fair.

  7. “The Browns are going to be minus a starter. The Steelers should be minus a starter.”
    Big difference.
    The Browns starters suck.

  8. “The Browns are going to be minus a starter. The Steelers should be minus a starter.”
    Big difference.
    The Browns starters suck.

  9. The Browns crack me up. Now a couple weeks ago, when Ward hit Shipley, all was well. No complaints. Now, all of a sudden, they are all up in arms over big knockout hits.

  10. The Browns crack me up. Now a couple weeks ago, when Ward hit Shipley, all was well. No complaints. Now, all of a sudden, they are all up in arms over big knockout hits.

  11. Florio, you disappoint me.
    What kind of a Steelers fan would take a stance against Smashmouth Football?
    It’s a travesty.
    And why should Harrison change? He gets paid a lot of money BECAUSE he plays like he does!!
    The Rodney Harrisons of the world are hypocrites, and the James Harrisons of the world tell it like it is, then get punished.
    Tell Massowhimp to take his medicine like a man, and don’t try to catch a pass in the vicinity of the toughest defender in the NFL!!

  12. Florio, you disappoint me.
    What kind of a Steelers fan would take a stance against Smashmouth Football?
    It’s a travesty.
    And why should Harrison change? He gets paid a lot of money BECAUSE he plays like he does!!
    The Rodney Harrisons of the world are hypocrites, and the James Harrisons of the world tell it like it is, then get punished.
    Tell Massowhimp to take his medicine like a man, and don’t try to catch a pass in the vicinity of the toughest defender in the NFL!!

  13. Seemed like Massaquoi was lowering his head and Harrison was only a couple feet off the ground when their heads struck. If the receiver was standing up and Harrison hit him high…then sure. But Harrison didnt go high on the guy, he actually went low. And at full speed, I dont think a defender can change direction.

  14. Seemed like Massaquoi was lowering his head and Harrison was only a couple feet off the ground when their heads struck. If the receiver was standing up and Harrison hit him high…then sure. But Harrison didnt go high on the guy, he actually went low. And at full speed, I dont think a defender can change direction.

  15. Any defender who does not wish to inflict pain upon those he plays against is probably NOT playing in the NFL.
    Offensive Linemen and Runningbacks do their best to dish out the pain too.
    Wide Receivers like Hines Ward get into the game too.
    First the Mel Blount rule.
    Then the Hines Ward rule.
    Now the James Harrison rule.
    Welcome to the National Flag Football League.
    The players should rebel by continuing to play the game it’s supposed to be played.
    How many suspensions can the NFL possibly hand out before they ruin the overall integrity of the game?
    And let’s not fool ourselves, this is all really about the 18 game season, NOT PLAYER SAFETY!

  16. Any defender who does not wish to inflict pain upon those he plays against is probably NOT playing in the NFL.
    Offensive Linemen and Runningbacks do their best to dish out the pain too.
    Wide Receivers like Hines Ward get into the game too.
    First the Mel Blount rule.
    Then the Hines Ward rule.
    Now the James Harrison rule.
    Welcome to the National Flag Football League.
    The players should rebel by continuing to play the game it’s supposed to be played.
    How many suspensions can the NFL possibly hand out before they ruin the overall integrity of the game?
    And let’s not fool ourselves, this is all really about the 18 game season, NOT PLAYER SAFETY!

  17. Massaquoi’s agent and all of Cleveland must have a short term memory. A couple weeks ago it was a Browns player knocking out a Bengals player and Cleveland fans were celebrating like it was the Super Bowl. TJ Ward played the next week and Shipley was out. What goes around, comes around.

  18. Massaquoi’s agent and all of Cleveland must have a short term memory. A couple weeks ago it was a Browns player knocking out a Bengals player and Cleveland fans were celebrating like it was the Super Bowl. TJ Ward played the next week and Shipley was out. What goes around, comes around.

  19. Goodell wants these guys to change the way they been trained to play football their whole lives based on a couple new finding which make valid points. The only thing is, football is, by nature a violent sport, you want to make completely safe? Than abstain from playing it or make it flag football. I am not going to watch it if it comes to that. As primal as it sounds, we love our gladiators. We love seeing tough hits and crackback blocks, especially if it is our team doing ti. It is always unfortunate to see someone get injured but it is part of the game and always has been. Has anyone ever been killed from a hit in the NFL? No. Paralyzed? Yes. But there is no way to take accidental injuries out of a contact sport unless you make it non-contact, and even then there will still be injuries. We are losing our rationality over the concussion debate right now because it is the hot topic. The only hit I saw that looked malicious was the Merriweather hit because he actually turned his head to make it a helmet-to-helmet. There is no excuse for fining someone for making a hard tackle if it goes by the rules. I, as a fan want Goodell’s resignation for this one, because he is clearly out of his depth.

  20. Goodell wants these guys to change the way they been trained to play football their whole lives based on a couple new finding which make valid points. The only thing is, football is, by nature a violent sport, you want to make completely safe? Than abstain from playing it or make it flag football. I am not going to watch it if it comes to that. As primal as it sounds, we love our gladiators. We love seeing tough hits and crackback blocks, especially if it is our team doing ti. It is always unfortunate to see someone get injured but it is part of the game and always has been. Has anyone ever been killed from a hit in the NFL? No. Paralyzed? Yes. But there is no way to take accidental injuries out of a contact sport unless you make it non-contact, and even then there will still be injuries. We are losing our rationality over the concussion debate right now because it is the hot topic. The only hit I saw that looked malicious was the Merriweather hit because he actually turned his head to make it a helmet-to-helmet. There is no excuse for fining someone for making a hard tackle if it goes by the rules. I, as a fan want Goodell’s resignation for this one, because he is clearly out of his depth.

  21. At first, I wondered why Harrison deserved another story when the consensus is that Merriweather’s hit was far worse and it hasn’t gotten nearly the same coverage here.
    Then, I looked to my right at the most commented stories. The top three all have Harrison in the title.
    But I have to admit – It’s fun to watch Florio stir the pot and wind everyone up.

  22. At first, I wondered why Harrison deserved another story when the consensus is that Merriweather’s hit was far worse and it hasn’t gotten nearly the same coverage here.
    Then, I looked to my right at the most commented stories. The top three all have Harrison in the title.
    But I have to admit – It’s fun to watch Florio stir the pot and wind everyone up.

  23. Harrison needs to keep his mouth shut. He is losing respect from everyone who isn’t a steelers fan and is proving that he is really a scum bag. I used to root for the guy because he was a former undrafted journeyman success story. You know what he did was dirty because even Florio and Rosenthal, the biggest Steelers homers in the media, have criticized Harrison’s actions.

  24. Harrison needs to keep his mouth shut. He is losing respect from everyone who isn’t a steelers fan and is proving that he is really a scum bag. I used to root for the guy because he was a former undrafted journeyman success story. You know what he did was dirty because even Florio and Rosenthal, the biggest Steelers homers in the media, have criticized Harrison’s actions.

  25. Honestly, I don’t care if the hit on Massaqoui was legal, clean, whatever. Harrison *still* deserves to be out 75K for all the crap he’s pulled in the past as well as his shitty attitude about it. “I want to hurt people, not injure them.” What a thick-skulled moron.

  26. Honestly, I don’t care if the hit on Massaqoui was legal, clean, whatever. Harrison *still* deserves to be out 75K for all the crap he’s pulled in the past as well as his shitty attitude about it. “I want to hurt people, not injure them.” What a thick-skulled moron.

  27. Perhaps now they will have to fine OFFENSIVE players for lowering their heads right before contact. That seems the only fair way to do it.
    Watch the video of Harrison’s hit in slo-mo and it is clear that Massaquoi lowers his own head right before impact thus creating the helmet to helmet blow. Fine Massaquoi, not Harrison!

  28. Perhaps now they will have to fine OFFENSIVE players for lowering their heads right before contact. That seems the only fair way to do it.
    Watch the video of Harrison’s hit in slo-mo and it is clear that Massaquoi lowers his own head right before impact thus creating the helmet to helmet blow. Fine Massaquoi, not Harrison!

  29. Florio, do you want him on your team or not? He is a tough, no nonsense football player and earns every penny that goes into his bank account. The Steelers don’t draft pussies, the rest of the AFC North does. He plays hard on every play and gets held on most of them. He will not change nor should he. He was cut by the Steelers many times and the Ravens (two teams that have hard nosed hitters on the D) and he persevered. He played in NFL Europe (Long gone but he is still here). He is not helping himself with the inteviews but he is being himself. Get over it people or stop watching. If your teams keep getting blacked out, maybe you won’t have choice. Get on GODell about that.

  30. Florio, do you want him on your team or not? He is a tough, no nonsense football player and earns every penny that goes into his bank account. The Steelers don’t draft pussies, the rest of the AFC North does. He plays hard on every play and gets held on most of them. He will not change nor should he. He was cut by the Steelers many times and the Ravens (two teams that have hard nosed hitters on the D) and he persevered. He played in NFL Europe (Long gone but he is still here). He is not helping himself with the inteviews but he is being himself. Get over it people or stop watching. If your teams keep getting blacked out, maybe you won’t have choice. Get on GODell about that.

  31. put the little orange flags on their hips and lets all get a Superbowl trophy for just showing up – GODell is ruining what was once a great sport…

  32. put the little orange flags on their hips and lets all get a Superbowl trophy for just showing up – GODell is ruining what was once a great sport…

  33. A defender’s main goal, and usually only goal, is to tackle the player with intention of shaking the ball loose. I don’t care if it’s Harrison or Ward, both players are paid (well) to deliver hits that accomplish that goal. Receivers are well aware of a linebacker’s and safety’s intentions. In fact, any ball carrier (besides a sliding quarterback) should know they are THE target on the field. The last thing that is (and should be on a defensive) player’s mind is making a tackle that is deemed “safe” by the NFL. No coach will coach that way, and no player will hit that way.
    NFL players know they are entering a physical sport.
    Instead, the NFL should focus their helmet-to-helmet hitting effort on teams taking the right medical steps and insuring players through and way past their playing careers for related injuries- and not just to “cover their ass”- but to do what is right.

  34. A defender’s main goal, and usually only goal, is to tackle the player with intention of shaking the ball loose. I don’t care if it’s Harrison or Ward, both players are paid (well) to deliver hits that accomplish that goal. Receivers are well aware of a linebacker’s and safety’s intentions. In fact, any ball carrier (besides a sliding quarterback) should know they are THE target on the field. The last thing that is (and should be on a defensive) player’s mind is making a tackle that is deemed “safe” by the NFL. No coach will coach that way, and no player will hit that way.
    NFL players know they are entering a physical sport.
    Instead, the NFL should focus their helmet-to-helmet hitting effort on teams taking the right medical steps and insuring players through and way past their playing careers for related injuries- and not just to “cover their ass”- but to do what is right.

  35. These idiot players don’t see the overall picture. It doesn’t matter that football is a contact sport. Fact is he didn’t have to launch himself with forearms up in an attempt to injure. When Harrison says hurt vs injure thats just BS. He isn’t a Doctor (clearly by his lack of intelligence) and he can’t know that the force he is generating will “only” result in “hurting” the other player instead of “injuring” him. His intent was to clearly deliver a serious shot on the reciever.
    The NFL doesn’t want to lose their star players to injury due to preventable circumstances nor be sued by players that have been injured for not trying to stop blatant injury attempts by other players. The NFL doesn’t want to lose sponsors or ratings due to “backups” playing. Think about it… its become a passing league and who are the players they are trying to protect… QBs and WRs!
    The overall product quality is at risk and THATS what the NFL really wants to stop. Tell the defensive players to just shut up and learn how to tackle because very few seem to know how. Its become all to common to see poor tackling due to players’ attempts at “knockout shots”. Paid as professionals, but they really don’t know what that means!

  36. These idiot players don’t see the overall picture. It doesn’t matter that football is a contact sport. Fact is he didn’t have to launch himself with forearms up in an attempt to injure. When Harrison says hurt vs injure thats just BS. He isn’t a Doctor (clearly by his lack of intelligence) and he can’t know that the force he is generating will “only” result in “hurting” the other player instead of “injuring” him. His intent was to clearly deliver a serious shot on the reciever.
    The NFL doesn’t want to lose their star players to injury due to preventable circumstances nor be sued by players that have been injured for not trying to stop blatant injury attempts by other players. The NFL doesn’t want to lose sponsors or ratings due to “backups” playing. Think about it… its become a passing league and who are the players they are trying to protect… QBs and WRs!
    The overall product quality is at risk and THATS what the NFL really wants to stop. Tell the defensive players to just shut up and learn how to tackle because very few seem to know how. Its become all to common to see poor tackling due to players’ attempts at “knockout shots”. Paid as professionals, but they really don’t know what that means!

  37. James Harrison will not learn because he does not have the cognitive ability to learn. Clearly, nobody needs to worry about his brain turning into yogurt; when you start off with a 57 IQ there is not much a few concussions are going to do to you.
    In a more just world he would be chained by the neck in a cage and little human children would walk by and throw things at him and giggle at his reaction. He is the very definition of “sub human”.

  38. James Harrison will not learn because he does not have the cognitive ability to learn. Clearly, nobody needs to worry about his brain turning into yogurt; when you start off with a 57 IQ there is not much a few concussions are going to do to you.
    In a more just world he would be chained by the neck in a cage and little human children would walk by and throw things at him and giggle at his reaction. He is the very definition of “sub human”.

  39. Fine a guy for a hit that wasn’t intentional helmet to helmet (except to Steeler haters) and suspend a quarterback that was never charged with a crime. Yeah…. the NFL really caters to the Steelers. Keep on hatin, the Steelers will just keep on winning.

  40. Fine a guy for a hit that wasn’t intentional helmet to helmet (except to Steeler haters) and suspend a quarterback that was never charged with a crime. Yeah…. the NFL really caters to the Steelers. Keep on hatin, the Steelers will just keep on winning.

  41. There has always been a fine line between legal and illegal hits.
    It seems clear the league wants to move the line.
    There is no good way to do it. It will take at least the rest of the season and it will have unfair rulings.

  42. There has always been a fine line between legal and illegal hits.
    It seems clear the league wants to move the line.
    There is no good way to do it. It will take at least the rest of the season and it will have unfair rulings.

  43. This is something the players association should be in charge of……
    whatever they decide is the right decision.

  44. This is something the players association should be in charge of……
    whatever they decide is the right decision.

  45. So Mike Florio condemns one Harrison, while being buddy buddy on TV with another Harrison who was just as physical- and dirty.
    Natural, for a lawyer; but we take his opinion seriously?

  46. So Mike Florio condemns one Harrison, while being buddy buddy on TV with another Harrison who was just as physical- and dirty.
    Natural, for a lawyer; but we take his opinion seriously?

  47. Touch football is the only answer, two hands below the waist and at least 12 inches above the knees…wait…uh, never mind, keep it the way it is.

  48. Touch football is the only answer, two hands below the waist and at least 12 inches above the knees…wait…uh, never mind, keep it the way it is.

  49. let me guess which comments I have read came from retarded Steeler fans. You all sound as dumb as Harrison.

  50. let me guess which comments I have read came from retarded Steeler fans. You all sound as dumb as Harrison.

  51. I hate all the Steeler apologists.
    Both hits are illegal.
    Harrison speared Cribbs with his helmet.
    Regardless of Cribbs being a runner, and not in a defenseless position, the rules state you can’t intentionally butt/spear with the helmet.
    Harrison led with the crown of the helmet and kept his shoulders and arms back.
    With Massaquoi, Harrison clearly leaves his feet and makes helmet to helmet contact with a defenseless receiver.

  52. I hate all the Steeler apologists.
    Both hits are illegal.
    Harrison speared Cribbs with his helmet.
    Regardless of Cribbs being a runner, and not in a defenseless position, the rules state you can’t intentionally butt/spear with the helmet.
    Harrison led with the crown of the helmet and kept his shoulders and arms back.
    With Massaquoi, Harrison clearly leaves his feet and makes helmet to helmet contact with a defenseless receiver.

  53. i see knees getting blown out and careers getting even shorter.. maybe thats why goodell wants this to happen he wont have 2 pay as much pension money out.

  54. i see knees getting blown out and careers getting even shorter.. maybe thats why goodell wants this to happen he wont have 2 pay as much pension money out.

  55. “He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn’t coming off the track,”
    Anybody who says they wouldn’t want somebody who says that on their team is a liar.

  56. “He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train, and the train wasn’t coming off the track,”
    Anybody who says they wouldn’t want somebody who says that on their team is a liar.

  57. Funny how everyone is on the band wagon about this hit and a player not playing and playing. How many hits last Sunday resulted into the same thing without one talk show comment. Look at Packer game for one.

  58. Funny how everyone is on the band wagon about this hit and a player not playing and playing. How many hits last Sunday resulted into the same thing without one talk show comment. Look at Packer game for one.

  59. The NFL created this entire mess by putting the defense at a disadvantage with the no holding after 5 yards. Now every team throws the ball 25-30 times a game. Defensive players can’t touch a receiver so now they are trying to dislodge the ball with a huge hits after the receiver catches the ball. I agree launching at a player shouldnt be tolerated, but they need to quit making so many rules to help the offense’s out and get it back to an even playing field. Oh and find Qbs who are smart enough not to lead their receivers into trouble!

  60. The NFL created this entire mess by putting the defense at a disadvantage with the no holding after 5 yards. Now every team throws the ball 25-30 times a game. Defensive players can’t touch a receiver so now they are trying to dislodge the ball with a huge hits after the receiver catches the ball. I agree launching at a player shouldnt be tolerated, but they need to quit making so many rules to help the offense’s out and get it back to an even playing field. Oh and find Qbs who are smart enough not to lead their receivers into trouble!

  61. # RAVNATION says: October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    “This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.”
    Man, to listen to you Ratbird fans, you’d think he murdered somebody.

  62. # RAVNATION says: October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    “This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.”
    Man, to listen to you Ratbird fans, you’d think he murdered somebody.

  63. “The Browns are going to be minus a starter. The Steelers should be minus a starter.”Ayrault is right.
    You have got to be kidding!!!!!! It is a collision sport people are going to get hurt there isnt a thing anyone can do about it!!!!!!!! Just because a player gets injured does not make the hit worth a fine or suspension…..This whole issue is a joke because the nfl is only flexing there muscles if a player gets injured….Massaquoi changed planes…..If these nfl suits want trying win a humanitarian award makes me want to throw my computer!!!!!!! Troy Polamalu summed it up best when he said if you “dont want to play a collision sport go play checkers”

  64. “The Browns are going to be minus a starter. The Steelers should be minus a starter.”Ayrault is right.
    You have got to be kidding!!!!!! It is a collision sport people are going to get hurt there isnt a thing anyone can do about it!!!!!!!! Just because a player gets injured does not make the hit worth a fine or suspension…..This whole issue is a joke because the nfl is only flexing there muscles if a player gets injured….Massaquoi changed planes…..If these nfl suits want trying win a humanitarian award makes me want to throw my computer!!!!!!! Troy Polamalu summed it up best when he said if you “dont want to play a collision sport go play checkers”

  65. TD40 says:
    October 19, 2010 9:14 PM
    Honestly, I don’t care if the hit on Massaqoui was legal, clean, whatever. Harrison *still* deserves to be out 75K for all the times he’s made great plays against my pansy ass team and all the times the STEELERS kicked their asses. “I want to hurt people, not injure them.” I am thick-skulled moron who hates the STEELERS.
    ———————————————–
    There, I fixed it for you…

  66. TD40 says:
    October 19, 2010 9:14 PM
    Honestly, I don’t care if the hit on Massaqoui was legal, clean, whatever. Harrison *still* deserves to be out 75K for all the times he’s made great plays against my pansy ass team and all the times the STEELERS kicked their asses. “I want to hurt people, not injure them.” I am thick-skulled moron who hates the STEELERS.
    ———————————————–
    There, I fixed it for you…

  67. Tomlinson KNOWS he is a dirty player – so by proxy Tomlinson is a Dirty Coach!
    If he cannot reign in his BARBARIAN then the league MUST

  68. Tomlinson KNOWS he is a dirty player – so by proxy Tomlinson is a Dirty Coach!
    If he cannot reign in his BARBARIAN then the league MUST

  69. RAVNATION says:
    October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.
    ———————————————
    At least he didn’t do it in a night club and use a knife. Back to your hole you retard.

  70. RAVNATION says:
    October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.
    ———————————————
    At least he didn’t do it in a night club and use a knife. Back to your hole you retard.

  71. in all the hoopla about the helmet to helmet hits this past weekend the only dirty hit imo was by merriweather. i dont know how the nfl is going to police this, but it wont be fair. what if a receiver ducks down and causes the helmet to helmet hit? will the defensive player be suspended? how the heck can you police intent?
    i swear the nfl absolutely hates defense and it really gets on my damn nerves.

  72. in all the hoopla about the helmet to helmet hits this past weekend the only dirty hit imo was by merriweather. i dont know how the nfl is going to police this, but it wont be fair. what if a receiver ducks down and causes the helmet to helmet hit? will the defensive player be suspended? how the heck can you police intent?
    i swear the nfl absolutely hates defense and it really gets on my damn nerves.

  73. Based upon his on- and off-field behavior, Harrison is a thug. But like they say, what goes around, comes around. It’s only a matter of time before someone bigger and meaner shows him the error of his ways. To that I will say, “Everything’s between the lines”, right James?
    To FredB: the NFL proved that where Ben (another thug) is concerned, there was enough evidence to suspend him. To point out that some Steelers are thugs isn’t hating if there are facts in the form of suspensions and fines to back it up.

  74. Based upon his on- and off-field behavior, Harrison is a thug. But like they say, what goes around, comes around. It’s only a matter of time before someone bigger and meaner shows him the error of his ways. To that I will say, “Everything’s between the lines”, right James?
    To FredB: the NFL proved that where Ben (another thug) is concerned, there was enough evidence to suspend him. To point out that some Steelers are thugs isn’t hating if there are facts in the form of suspensions and fines to back it up.

  75. it was incidental you got to be kidding that is was intentional. do you really think that he was going for his head, or just a coincidental collision? he could not do that again even if he tried for the life of him.

  76. it was incidental you got to be kidding that is was intentional. do you really think that he was going for his head, or just a coincidental collision? he could not do that again even if he tried for the life of him.

  77. You all can say whatever you want, but you would welcome James Harrison with open arms on your team … just like the Steelers fans would have loved Ray Lewis if he played here all these years.

  78. You all can say whatever you want, but you would welcome James Harrison with open arms on your team … just like the Steelers fans would have loved Ray Lewis if he played here all these years.

  79. I love the point someone made about Florio and Rodney Harrison. He was a flat out thug but now he is SOOOOOOOOOO worried about player safety…complete hypocrites. As a Steeler fan even i will admit I thought the hit on Cribbs was bad…but the one on Mass was legit…if the NFL wants to help player safety, how about throwing one flag a game on the guy holding Harrison every play …even though it should be about 20

  80. I love the point someone made about Florio and Rodney Harrison. He was a flat out thug but now he is SOOOOOOOOOO worried about player safety…complete hypocrites. As a Steeler fan even i will admit I thought the hit on Cribbs was bad…but the one on Mass was legit…if the NFL wants to help player safety, how about throwing one flag a game on the guy holding Harrison every play …even though it should be about 20

  81. Get the goon off HGH and he ain’t shit. Steeler azzholes…the whole Steeler organization has been dirty for decades…all the Super bowls in the 70 were phony Steroid BS!!!

  82. Get the goon off HGH and he ain’t shit. Steeler azzholes…the whole Steeler organization has been dirty for decades…all the Super bowls in the 70 were phony Steroid BS!!!

  83. Mike i heard you invading my radio station again this morning. KFAN. I agree with you one everything but your views on offensive people not being able to lower their heads when running. If a running back lowers his head and a defender lowers his and they hit thats football. you can’t be laying all this red tape on everything. Its mostly when qb’s are getting hit or defensless receivers. But when you have the ball and make a decision to lower your head everything goes out the window i think. If you start calling helmet to helmet when running backs hit helmet to helmet on a defender. the game just won’t be the same.

  84. Mike i heard you invading my radio station again this morning. KFAN. I agree with you one everything but your views on offensive people not being able to lower their heads when running. If a running back lowers his head and a defender lowers his and they hit thats football. you can’t be laying all this red tape on everything. Its mostly when qb’s are getting hit or defensless receivers. But when you have the ball and make a decision to lower your head everything goes out the window i think. If you start calling helmet to helmet when running backs hit helmet to helmet on a defender. the game just won’t be the same.

  85. Ya ll bitching about Harrison are just little p*ssies. He plays hard and isnt a dirty player by any means. He has the same attitude as the all time greats in this league had. If you are a linebacker that doesnt have that attitude that someone is coming in the middle of the field and you are going to make them pay for it by giving them a ferocious hit. We celebrate LT, Butkis, Lambert (insert your favorite here) to name a few because they never quit and were always hitting people. People say, well they are bigger and stronger and faste, well is so the offensive players. Harrison’s hit wasnt a bad hit, nothing like Merriweathers at all. Grow the f*ck up. Harrison’s name is only associated first because he is the biggest named player onSunday that was involved.. Merriweathers hit was the only hit on Sunday that even looked intentional where a guy leaped upward towards the head causing the helmet to helmet hit.

  86. Ya ll bitching about Harrison are just little p*ssies. He plays hard and isnt a dirty player by any means. He has the same attitude as the all time greats in this league had. If you are a linebacker that doesnt have that attitude that someone is coming in the middle of the field and you are going to make them pay for it by giving them a ferocious hit. We celebrate LT, Butkis, Lambert (insert your favorite here) to name a few because they never quit and were always hitting people. People say, well they are bigger and stronger and faste, well is so the offensive players. Harrison’s hit wasnt a bad hit, nothing like Merriweathers at all. Grow the f*ck up. Harrison’s name is only associated first because he is the biggest named player onSunday that was involved.. Merriweathers hit was the only hit on Sunday that even looked intentional where a guy leaped upward towards the head causing the helmet to helmet hit.

  87. one word, suspensions, starting with the past weekend,Harrison,Robinson,, the guy that hit Todd Heap all should be suspended for this weekends games. Fines are not the answer.

  88. one word, suspensions, starting with the past weekend,Harrison,Robinson,, the guy that hit Todd Heap all should be suspended for this weekends games. Fines are not the answer.

  89. The $75,000.00 fine is a GOD DAMNED TRAVESTY. Was a penalty called? No but the slow motion experts of politically correct football saw someone got hurt. Someone got hurt? That doesn’t happen in Professional Football? Just check all the team injury reports!
    Since God Dell had to slap Harrison down then I’m hoping the two Brown’s players are out for a month. Harrison should get his money’s worth. F.Y.T., Roger!
    2010, the year the NFL died.

  90. The $75,000.00 fine is a GOD DAMNED TRAVESTY. Was a penalty called? No but the slow motion experts of politically correct football saw someone got hurt. Someone got hurt? That doesn’t happen in Professional Football? Just check all the team injury reports!
    Since God Dell had to slap Harrison down then I’m hoping the two Brown’s players are out for a month. Harrison should get his money’s worth. F.Y.T., Roger!
    2010, the year the NFL died.

  91. Real men don’t wear pink, and they don’t support fines for playing the game. Florio, man up, it’s not the Steelers fault that you never had a father. Harrison should get a reward, not a fine.

  92. Real men don’t wear pink, and they don’t support fines for playing the game. Florio, man up, it’s not the Steelers fault that you never had a father. Harrison should get a reward, not a fine.

  93. The argument that the target moved after he’d lined him up did not work in 2008 when Erik Smith made helmet to helmet contact with Anquan Boldin resulting in a significant injury.
    Sorry Steeler fans. I agree. It’s a good point but that’s the rule and it’s rather indiscriminate in that regard.

  94. The argument that the target moved after he’d lined him up did not work in 2008 when Erik Smith made helmet to helmet contact with Anquan Boldin resulting in a significant injury.
    Sorry Steeler fans. I agree. It’s a good point but that’s the rule and it’s rather indiscriminate in that regard.

  95. Florio is now officially as shill for the NFL and no longer part of Steelers Nation.
    He has been baned.

  96. Florio is now officially as shill for the NFL and no longer part of Steelers Nation.
    He has been baned.

  97. @Connie:
    Not even a little bit. I’m not sure what I said that would lead you to that conclusion, but clearly you aren’t too far ahead of Mr. Harrison in terms of cognitive ability. My opinion of Harrison has absolutely nothing to do with his race and everything to with what he says and how he comports himself. The idea that my comments would lead you to the conclusion that I racist is evidence of your ignorance, not mine.
    Congrats, though. You are definitely the first person to ever suggest I was racist.

  98. @Connie:
    Not even a little bit. I’m not sure what I said that would lead you to that conclusion, but clearly you aren’t too far ahead of Mr. Harrison in terms of cognitive ability. My opinion of Harrison has absolutely nothing to do with his race and everything to with what he says and how he comports himself. The idea that my comments would lead you to the conclusion that I racist is evidence of your ignorance, not mine.
    Congrats, though. You are definitely the first person to ever suggest I was racist.

  99. Im with Harrison, that is the mind set you have when you go from an undrafted rookie to the defensive player of the year. This is still football right??? what’s next two hand touch on QBs???? I can recall a time when the NFL promoted its hitters. Watch film of Ray Nitschke, Deacon Jones, and Ronnie Lott. They literally committed felonies on the field. Now the league is all “we care about safety” no they don’t. They care about safety as much as Mike Vick cares about dogs.

  100. Im with Harrison, that is the mind set you have when you go from an undrafted rookie to the defensive player of the year. This is still football right??? what’s next two hand touch on QBs???? I can recall a time when the NFL promoted its hitters. Watch film of Ray Nitschke, Deacon Jones, and Ronnie Lott. They literally committed felonies on the field. Now the league is all “we care about safety” no they don’t. They care about safety as much as Mike Vick cares about dogs.

  101. This issue isn’t over. It’s far from over. It goes to the very heart of football. If Roger and his fine police don’t think the officials are getting it right then let the fine police call the game.
    2010, the year the NFL died. Brought to you by bleeding hearts like Mike Florio.

  102. This issue isn’t over. It’s far from over. It goes to the very heart of football. If Roger and his fine police don’t think the officials are getting it right then let the fine police call the game.
    2010, the year the NFL died. Brought to you by bleeding hearts like Mike Florio.

  103. To Brian Ayrault’s point, a suspension may not change the way James Harrison plays, but it will most assuredly impact the Steelers in an adverse way.
    I’m most troubled by the $50,000 fine imposed on Dunta Robinson because I believe it to be excessive—regardless of what percentage it represents of his salary. While Robinson’s hit may have been against a defenseless receiver, it certainly did not rise to the level of the infractions of Meriweather and Harrison. I’ve replayed the hit on Jackson several times and come to the same conclusion: Robinson’s hit was clean and, importantly, NOT helmet-to-helmet. As a result, his fine should have been more in line with the benchmark for “plain vanilla” unnecessary roughness.

  104. To Brian Ayrault’s point, a suspension may not change the way James Harrison plays, but it will most assuredly impact the Steelers in an adverse way.
    I’m most troubled by the $50,000 fine imposed on Dunta Robinson because I believe it to be excessive—regardless of what percentage it represents of his salary. While Robinson’s hit may have been against a defenseless receiver, it certainly did not rise to the level of the infractions of Meriweather and Harrison. I’ve replayed the hit on Jackson several times and come to the same conclusion: Robinson’s hit was clean and, importantly, NOT helmet-to-helmet. As a result, his fine should have been more in line with the benchmark for “plain vanilla” unnecessary roughness.

  105. There is nothing for Harrison to get. He’s a football player, and in the game of football players move at high speed at each other. When a person moves at high speed, he bends his body forward making his head the leading body part. When contact between the players occurs, contact between the helmets will invariably occur as well. Even when it doesn’t, the jarring motion of the torso will affect the head. The only way to prevent it is to mandate that all tackles happen below the waist, which would be an even bigger disaster.
    Roger Goodell doesn’t get this subtle point about the head naturally being the leading part because his head is tucked safely up his ass.
    No fine or rule or helmet will ever eliminate what happened on Sunday because these players are trying to win a game that the human body was not designed to play. That’s why we watch.
    They should take the opposite approach. If a player gets a concussion, suspend him for a game. Two concussions, four games. Three, a season. Any more, out of the league. Eventually the receivers will walk back to the huddle, pop the QB in the mouth, and tell him, “Quit throwing the f-cking ball two f-cking yards in front of James f-cking Harrison.”

  106. If you were a Steeler fan you would love to have a player who plays the game like it is supposed to be played! This is the biggesr sport for a reason, WE LOVE SEEING SOMEONE GET BLASTED! The League is ruining the game. Were are these guy supposed to hit these guys. The “Brady rule” say you can’t go low and now you can’t go high. Just pull there flags I guess. These guys make all this money cause of the risk.

  107. Yep, Florio is a shill. Shame on you. I’m sure your wearing pink, thinking it will have an affect on cancer. Fool. Does NBC force you to believe in global warming as well?

  108. Yep, Florio is a shill. Shame on you. I’m sure your wearing pink, thinking it will have an affect on cancer. Fool. Does NBC force you to believe in global warming as well?

  109. I see the Moment of Impact DVD is still available on the NFFL’s (National Flag Football League) website. So they want to fine players for big hits and then turn around and make money selling the video of those hits. What a load of crap.
    Roger GO-TO-HELL…King of Hypocrites…

  110. I see the Moment of Impact DVD is still available on the NFFL’s (National Flag Football League) website. So they want to fine players for big hits and then turn around and make money selling the video of those hits. What a load of crap.
    Roger GO-TO-HELL…King of Hypocrites…

  111. Browns fans are hypocritical retards.
    First they brag and celebrate Turkey Jones smalling Bradhaw on his head for decades. Then they love it and cheer when Roethlisberger got carted off in a game against them. Then thy cry and moan when TJ Ward got flagged and fined for a big hit. They claim to love smashmouth football.
    Now that a Steeler smashed up two of their players they are all up in arms and anti violence, calling Harrison dirty even though both hits were just hard football plays.

  112. Browns fans are hypocritical retards.
    First they brag and celebrate Turkey Jones smalling Bradhaw on his head for decades. Then they love it and cheer when Roethlisberger got carted off in a game against them. Then thy cry and moan when TJ Ward got flagged and fined for a big hit. They claim to love smashmouth football.
    Now that a Steeler smashed up two of their players they are all up in arms and anti violence, calling Harrison dirty even though both hits were just hard football plays.

  113. Pats fan here.
    The league said that Meriweather’s fine was for both hits. I agree that the one in the middle of the field was a cheap shot by Meriweather. The one at the goal line was not helmet to helmet. He lowered his head, but he never got him with the helmet let alone helmet to helmet.
    I also think that Harrison’s hit on Massaquoi was fine, but the one on Cribbs was a cheap shot.
    Why Dunta Robinson was fined for his hit on DeSean Jackson I’ll never know. Again, Robinson may have ducked his head, but he did not make initial contact with Jackson’s helmet. He got him in the shoulder first.
    This is an overreaction by the league.

  114. Pats fan here.
    The league said that Meriweather’s fine was for both hits. I agree that the one in the middle of the field was a cheap shot by Meriweather. The one at the goal line was not helmet to helmet. He lowered his head, but he never got him with the helmet let alone helmet to helmet.
    I also think that Harrison’s hit on Massaquoi was fine, but the one on Cribbs was a cheap shot.
    Why Dunta Robinson was fined for his hit on DeSean Jackson I’ll never know. Again, Robinson may have ducked his head, but he did not make initial contact with Jackson’s helmet. He got him in the shoulder first.
    This is an overreaction by the league.

  115. @RAVNATION …
    Not accurate, not funny.
    @Bradwins …
    Where did you get the idea that James Harrison was lacking in cognitive ability? Maybe that erroneous assumption is what led Connie to assume you’re a racist. Instead of patting yourself on the back for your enlightenment, perhaps you should try a little introspection. Just how much do you know about Harrison?
    Has he sometimes spoken out when it would have been wiser to keep quiet? Yes. Haven’t we all? But he is far from ignorant. In the last two days, people on this Web site have called him trash, a thug, a criminal, and now you’re telling us he’s lacking in cognitive ability–none of which is true and none of which can be backed up by any objective information.
    Obviously the overall hostility for the Steelers plays some role in the extreme hostility toward Harrison. But frankly, I wondered long before reading your post whether people were also reacting to a very dark-skinned black man with an extremely menacing glare. Given that he’s not the only player who has been involved in repeated hard hits and not the only one who sometimes says more than he should, you do have to consider the possibility that deep down people have problems with more than what he says and how he comports himself.

  116. @RAVNATION …
    Not accurate, not funny.
    @Bradwins …
    Where did you get the idea that James Harrison was lacking in cognitive ability? Maybe that erroneous assumption is what led Connie to assume you’re a racist. Instead of patting yourself on the back for your enlightenment, perhaps you should try a little introspection. Just how much do you know about Harrison?
    Has he sometimes spoken out when it would have been wiser to keep quiet? Yes. Haven’t we all? But he is far from ignorant. In the last two days, people on this Web site have called him trash, a thug, a criminal, and now you’re telling us he’s lacking in cognitive ability–none of which is true and none of which can be backed up by any objective information.
    Obviously the overall hostility for the Steelers plays some role in the extreme hostility toward Harrison. But frankly, I wondered long before reading your post whether people were also reacting to a very dark-skinned black man with an extremely menacing glare. Given that he’s not the only player who has been involved in repeated hard hits and not the only one who sometimes says more than he should, you do have to consider the possibility that deep down people have problems with more than what he says and how he comports himself.

  117. THUG!!! Let a Steelers player like Worthlessberger or Ward get a helmet to helmet hit & they’ll all be whining & crying about it then!!

  118. THUG!!! Let a Steelers player like Worthlessberger or Ward get a helmet to helmet hit & they’ll all be whining & crying about it then!!

  119. As I have made some posts on this issue and thought about it, it seems the NFL makes a knee-jerk reaction to the “issue of the day”. Today’s issue is the so-called borderline hit that causes another “issue of the day”, which is the concussion. All around the league, there are many borderline hits every week, it is just that some of them result in an injury. Bottom line is that if you look at the hits closely, you can make a case any way you want, depending on your favorite team mainly. But reality is that the sport is fast, furious and violent. Players are flying all around and twisting and turning. It seems near impossible to try to change your trajectory in some cases.
    With this precedent, I guess now when a running back or WR lowers his head as he is getting tackled out of his instincts, and that causes a helmet to helmet hit, then he will be fined too. After all, GODell is establishing the rules here, so he should enforce them.
    I’ll bet the NFL right now is hiring people just to watch videos and guage the legality of hits. The NFL loves to show those commercials with the big hits. What a bunch of hypocrits. This will end up being a mess and impossible to judge. They would be better off spending time and money on better helmet technology.
    So, James, keep playing the way you have always played the game. Tough, hard-nosed and passionate. Keep that scowl. Keep the hits low. Use your shoulder and drive the other players into the ground about 6 inches. Keep playing in the tradition of past great Steelers like Lambert, Blount and others, and of the great Packers, and Bears, and Ravens, and so many others who made their mark with their hits. Just keep your mouth shut and you will be fine. The NFL loves the violence, it attracts ratings. Go ask the NHL, that is about all they have to market the league.
    GO STEELERS!!

  120. As I have made some posts on this issue and thought about it, it seems the NFL makes a knee-jerk reaction to the “issue of the day”. Today’s issue is the so-called borderline hit that causes another “issue of the day”, which is the concussion. All around the league, there are many borderline hits every week, it is just that some of them result in an injury. Bottom line is that if you look at the hits closely, you can make a case any way you want, depending on your favorite team mainly. But reality is that the sport is fast, furious and violent. Players are flying all around and twisting and turning. It seems near impossible to try to change your trajectory in some cases.
    With this precedent, I guess now when a running back or WR lowers his head as he is getting tackled out of his instincts, and that causes a helmet to helmet hit, then he will be fined too. After all, GODell is establishing the rules here, so he should enforce them.
    I’ll bet the NFL right now is hiring people just to watch videos and guage the legality of hits. The NFL loves to show those commercials with the big hits. What a bunch of hypocrits. This will end up being a mess and impossible to judge. They would be better off spending time and money on better helmet technology.
    So, James, keep playing the way you have always played the game. Tough, hard-nosed and passionate. Keep that scowl. Keep the hits low. Use your shoulder and drive the other players into the ground about 6 inches. Keep playing in the tradition of past great Steelers like Lambert, Blount and others, and of the great Packers, and Bears, and Ravens, and so many others who made their mark with their hits. Just keep your mouth shut and you will be fine. The NFL loves the violence, it attracts ratings. Go ask the NHL, that is about all they have to market the league.
    GO STEELERS!!

  121. You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. ~Dan Birdwell
    Grew up playing, watching and respecting defensive football. Anyone who has played knows that Harrison is a true player. One that you always want on your side. A couple of decades ago, he would be revered for his play and words…. but that was back when people had balls.
    R.I.P nfl

  122. You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. ~Dan Birdwell
    Grew up playing, watching and respecting defensive football. Anyone who has played knows that Harrison is a true player. One that you always want on your side. A couple of decades ago, he would be revered for his play and words…. but that was back when people had balls.
    R.I.P nfl

  123. @ conníe says:
    October 19, 2010 9:49 PM
    # RAVNATION says: October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    “This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.”
    Man, to listen to you Ratbird fans, you’d think he murdered somebody.
    & @
    Steelintn says:
    October 19, 2010 9:58 PM
    RAVNATION says:
    October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.
    —————– ——————– ——–
    At least he didn’t do it in a night club and use a knife. Back to your hole you retard.
    ———————————————————
    Maybe next time he can hold the girl down for Ben….. and any player who admidts to wanting to “hurt” other players is sick in the head. Your pathetic team who I HATE ( but once had respect for ) should have traded for vick. Then you could have a trifecta of thugs.

  124. @ conníe says:
    October 19, 2010 9:49 PM
    # RAVNATION says: October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    “This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.”
    Man, to listen to you Ratbird fans, you’d think he murdered somebody.
    & @
    Steelintn says:
    October 19, 2010 9:58 PM
    RAVNATION says:
    October 19, 2010 9:31 PM
    This hit was nothing like the one he put on his girlfriend two years back.
    —————– ——————– ——–
    At least he didn’t do it in a night club and use a knife. Back to your hole you retard.
    ———————————————————
    Maybe next time he can hold the girl down for Ben….. and any player who admidts to wanting to “hurt” other players is sick in the head. Your pathetic team who I HATE ( but once had respect for ) should have traded for vick. Then you could have a trifecta of thugs.

  125. Funny, the ONLY Browns players that play hard, Peyton Hillis and Scott Fujita both said James Harrison’s hits should not be fined… they said the hits were clean. Fujita said he thought Harrison made “good defensive plays” on Cribbs and Massequoi.
    Browns fans and those that want to turn the NFL into two-hand tag football need to read Scott Fujita’s transcript from his radio show today….STOP YOUR CRYING! And FREE JAMES HARRISON…$75,000 fine for blowing up players carrying the ball is a joke…it’s not like he knocked out done guy standing on the sidelines, Cribbs wad being blocked into Harrisons path and Massequoi lowered his head at impact…is anyone watching these hits in slow motion? Had Massequoi kept his head up Harrison would of hit him in the gutt…

  126. Funny, the ONLY Browns players that play hard, Peyton Hillis and Scott Fujita both said James Harrison’s hits should not be fined… they said the hits were clean. Fujita said he thought Harrison made “good defensive plays” on Cribbs and Massequoi.
    Browns fans and those that want to turn the NFL into two-hand tag football need to read Scott Fujita’s transcript from his radio show today….STOP YOUR CRYING! And FREE JAMES HARRISON…$75,000 fine for blowing up players carrying the ball is a joke…it’s not like he knocked out done guy standing on the sidelines, Cribbs wad being blocked into Harrisons path and Massequoi lowered his head at impact…is anyone watching these hits in slow motion? Had Massequoi kept his head up Harrison would of hit him in the gutt…

  127. Goodell really cares about the players…now go out there and play 18 games.
    Wait for the rash of knee injuries when the defensive players adjust and start going low. Not a single player would prefer to be hit low than high.
    When Desean Jackson comes back and gets his leg snapped like a twig because the defender goes low on him, he can thank the NFL for keeping him safe.
    But hey, at least the NFL won’t be on the hook for Desean’s later in life medical claims if his career ends with a shattered knee instead of a head injury and that’s what’s really important here, is that the NFL found a way to show how much they care. It’s just a coincidence that it also protects them financially. Do i hear 20 game season? Thanks Rog.

  128. Goodell really cares about the players…now go out there and play 18 games.
    Wait for the rash of knee injuries when the defensive players adjust and start going low. Not a single player would prefer to be hit low than high.
    When Desean Jackson comes back and gets his leg snapped like a twig because the defender goes low on him, he can thank the NFL for keeping him safe.
    But hey, at least the NFL won’t be on the hook for Desean’s later in life medical claims if his career ends with a shattered knee instead of a head injury and that’s what’s really important here, is that the NFL found a way to show how much they care. It’s just a coincidence that it also protects them financially. Do i hear 20 game season? Thanks Rog.

  129. As a Ravens fan I respect the Steelers because we’ve got the best rivalry in football. While I think that Harrison isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, he’s absolutely right in regards to the Massequoi hit. He couldn’t change his trajectory once he went in motion.
    Seems like the NFL is getting weaker by the minute!

  130. As a Ravens fan I respect the Steelers because we’ve got the best rivalry in football. While I think that Harrison isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, he’s absolutely right in regards to the Massequoi hit. He couldn’t change his trajectory once he went in motion.
    Seems like the NFL is getting weaker by the minute!

  131. Apparently the US school system is unable to turn out anyone who is able to detect nuance in speech. When Harrison says he wants to hurt someone, and not injure them, he means he wants them to be hurt by the hit, to remember it, to have it sting a little. He clearly said he did not want to injure people. Hurt does not mean Injure in the context he used it.
    Please people, if you are going to make a point, put at least a little effort into it, lest you prove yourself to be the moron you claim Harrison is.
    And Florio, you are right. Fines won’t change Harrison any more than these posts will change your vagina into a penis. Go watch women’s golf if you don’t want to see big hits.

  132. Apparently the US school system is unable to turn out anyone who is able to detect nuance in speech. When Harrison says he wants to hurt someone, and not injure them, he means he wants them to be hurt by the hit, to remember it, to have it sting a little. He clearly said he did not want to injure people. Hurt does not mean Injure in the context he used it.
    Please people, if you are going to make a point, put at least a little effort into it, lest you prove yourself to be the moron you claim Harrison is.
    And Florio, you are right. Fines won’t change Harrison any more than these posts will change your vagina into a penis. Go watch women’s golf if you don’t want to see big hits.

  133. No matter what the league does, these big defensive guys are going to keep knocking out the little offensive crybabies. I just can’t wait till Peyton Manning gets his little Peyton knocked in the dirt.
    If they don’t want to get hit, there is one sure fire way to avoid it. Stay home you sissies.

  134. No matter what the league does, these big defensive guys are going to keep knocking out the little offensive crybabies. I just can’t wait till Peyton Manning gets his little Peyton knocked in the dirt.
    If they don’t want to get hit, there is one sure fire way to avoid it. Stay home you sissies.

  135. Head to head contact will always happen no matter how you legislate against it, it is inevitable. You get head to head clashes in rugby. What you don’t get is very many of them.
    Football would still be an incredibly physical sport if hitting were removed and player were penalised if they didn’t wrap up and tackle properly.
    Though hits to the knees and legs of runners and receivers are considered clean under the rules, players who are hit in the knees get upset by such assaults on their livelihood, and they consider the move dirty. There is a whole lot of body to tackle between the head and the knees. It’s not a one or the other proposition.
    Watch old footage of the NFL and there a quite a lot of clothesline tackles. The Night Train Necktie is spectacular to watch, but it’s not missed from the game. Helmet to helmet hits are no different. They don’t make the game more physical, they just make it more dangerous. If the defence wants to dislodge the ball they’ll just have to improve their technique so that their tackles are more powerful, rather than relying on injuring the ball carrier.
    Personally I think chop blocks should be stopped as well. They work on the basis that even the biggest lineman can have his knee mangled by the smallest guy on the field. Alex Gibbs should be run out the game.

  136. Head to head contact will always happen no matter how you legislate against it, it is inevitable. You get head to head clashes in rugby. What you don’t get is very many of them.
    Football would still be an incredibly physical sport if hitting were removed and player were penalised if they didn’t wrap up and tackle properly.
    Though hits to the knees and legs of runners and receivers are considered clean under the rules, players who are hit in the knees get upset by such assaults on their livelihood, and they consider the move dirty. There is a whole lot of body to tackle between the head and the knees. It’s not a one or the other proposition.
    Watch old footage of the NFL and there a quite a lot of clothesline tackles. The Night Train Necktie is spectacular to watch, but it’s not missed from the game. Helmet to helmet hits are no different. They don’t make the game more physical, they just make it more dangerous. If the defence wants to dislodge the ball they’ll just have to improve their technique so that their tackles are more powerful, rather than relying on injuring the ball carrier.
    Personally I think chop blocks should be stopped as well. They work on the basis that even the biggest lineman can have his knee mangled by the smallest guy on the field. Alex Gibbs should be run out the game.

  137. @Danwhitmer
    pa·thet·ic/pəˈTHetik/Adjective
    1. Arousing pity, esp. through vulnerability or sadness.
    2. Miserably inadequate.
    Now you know when to properly use that term as it obviously does not apply to a team that has the most Super Bowls AND divisional championships in the entire league along with not having a losing season since 2003. You’re mad at YOUR teams inept ownership — not us…WE FORGIVE YOU!
    @Bradwins
    “In a more just world he would be chained by the neck in a cage and little human children would walk by and throw things at him and giggle at his reaction. He is the very definition of “sub human”.
    Yeah, what was Connie thinking? That sounds more like a compliment to Harrison.
    In a more just world, you would actually have to say those exact words to Jame’s face instead of on the internet hiding behind your keyboard. We both know a pencil neck boy like yourself would never dare to make that mistake though. Unless you want to join the long list of James’ coma victims.

  138. @Danwhitmer
    pa·thet·ic/pəˈTHetik/Adjective
    1. Arousing pity, esp. through vulnerability or sadness.
    2. Miserably inadequate.
    Now you know when to properly use that term as it obviously does not apply to a team that has the most Super Bowls AND divisional championships in the entire league along with not having a losing season since 2003. You’re mad at YOUR teams inept ownership — not us…WE FORGIVE YOU!
    @Bradwins
    “In a more just world he would be chained by the neck in a cage and little human children would walk by and throw things at him and giggle at his reaction. He is the very definition of “sub human”.
    Yeah, what was Connie thinking? That sounds more like a compliment to Harrison.
    In a more just world, you would actually have to say those exact words to Jame’s face instead of on the internet hiding behind your keyboard. We both know a pencil neck boy like yourself would never dare to make that mistake though. Unless you want to join the long list of James’ coma victims.

  139. Blackn’Gold says:
    October 19, 2010 10:16 PM
    The $75,000.00 fine is a GOD DAMNED TRAVESTY. Was a penalty called?

    Early Tuesday, Ray Anderson, NFL vice president of operations, admitted the game officials blew it by not penalizing Steelers linebacker James Harrison for his high hit on defenseless receiver Mohamed Massaquoi in Sunday’s 28-10 Browns loss in Pittsburgh….

  140. Blackn’Gold says:
    October 19, 2010 10:16 PM
    The $75,000.00 fine is a GOD DAMNED TRAVESTY. Was a penalty called?

    Early Tuesday, Ray Anderson, NFL vice president of operations, admitted the game officials blew it by not penalizing Steelers linebacker James Harrison for his high hit on defenseless receiver Mohamed Massaquoi in Sunday’s 28-10 Browns loss in Pittsburgh….

  141. All I see is Harrison rumbling almost 100 yards in the Super Bowl after picking off Warner and him ripping the head off any opponent that gets in his way.
    Love it!
    The rest of you pansies can’t handle the truth.
    Now, if you will excuse me, the NFL is selling pics of Harrison’s “illegal” hit. I want to get mine before they run out. Demand is high, ya know:) Nothing sweeter than a Steelers player turning out the lights of a Browns player:)
    Roger Goodall is a bottom-feeder.

  142. All I see is Harrison rumbling almost 100 yards in the Super Bowl after picking off Warner and him ripping the head off any opponent that gets in his way.
    Love it!
    The rest of you pansies can’t handle the truth.
    Now, if you will excuse me, the NFL is selling pics of Harrison’s “illegal” hit. I want to get mine before they run out. Demand is high, ya know:) Nothing sweeter than a Steelers player turning out the lights of a Browns player:)
    Roger Goodall is a bottom-feeder.

  143. Maybe so but Steeler lovers are so use to getting away with cheap shots,every time someone complains about the Steelers then you get this crap from their fans.
    This is all ridiculous,if leading with helment is the rule then enforce it at all times.You can’t say it’s ok when it’s a running play and then try to punish people when it’s a pass play.It is either legal or it’s not,plain and simple.
    When it happens to a Steeler let’s see how many of
    you are on here whinning about it ,just like you are now that they are trying to punish a repeat offender.

  144. Maybe so but Steeler lovers are so use to getting away with cheap shots,every time someone complains about the Steelers then you get this crap from their fans.
    This is all ridiculous,if leading with helment is the rule then enforce it at all times.You can’t say it’s ok when it’s a running play and then try to punish people when it’s a pass play.It is either legal or it’s not,plain and simple.
    When it happens to a Steeler let’s see how many of
    you are on here whinning about it ,just like you are now that they are trying to punish a repeat offender.

  145. T.J. Ward completely nails a player after he had two feet down in the endzone and the Browns fans love it. Now, when one of their players gets hurt on a play that was not intentionally dirty, they want to suspend the offender.
    Sorry Browns fans, but you have to do something other than just hate on the Steelers for me to take you seriously. If your team went 2-14 but won against the Steelers twice, you would consider that a good season. You’re bigger homers than most of the Pittsburgh fans that comment on these boards.

  146. T.J. Ward completely nails a player after he had two feet down in the endzone and the Browns fans love it. Now, when one of their players gets hurt on a play that was not intentionally dirty, they want to suspend the offender.
    Sorry Browns fans, but you have to do something other than just hate on the Steelers for me to take you seriously. If your team went 2-14 but won against the Steelers twice, you would consider that a good season. You’re bigger homers than most of the Pittsburgh fans that comment on these boards.

  147. This is similar to what is taking place in hockey where an elbow or shoulder to the head is now an automatic multigame suspension. It was needed because the goons were sidelining the star players for multigames with no penalty and the injuries (concussions and worse) were severe.
    The severity of the hit is reviewed by the NHL comissioner and suspensions have ranged up to an entire season.
    This proactive mechanism has really improved the game. If the NFL were the NHL Harrison would have been pummelled but suspensions are a more effective deterrent.

  148. This is similar to what is taking place in hockey where an elbow or shoulder to the head is now an automatic multigame suspension. It was needed because the goons were sidelining the star players for multigames with no penalty and the injuries (concussions and worse) were severe.
    The severity of the hit is reviewed by the NHL comissioner and suspensions have ranged up to an entire season.
    This proactive mechanism has really improved the game. If the NFL were the NHL Harrison would have been pummelled but suspensions are a more effective deterrent.

  149. like i said in an earlier thread about Finnegan and some other guy getting fined, these guys need to be fined game checks or suspended. i was called a whiny biatch by some jackass because of it….oh well, looks like the league agrees with me….not bad for a whiny jackass….eh dumbass? and you know who you are.

  150. like i said in an earlier thread about Finnegan and some other guy getting fined, these guys need to be fined game checks or suspended. i was called a whiny biatch by some jackass because of it….oh well, looks like the league agrees with me….not bad for a whiny jackass….eh dumbass? and you know who you are.

  151. Harrison is going to be forced to hit guys low–in their knees.
    That will be a travesty when a guys knee is blown out and his career is over…all so Harrision can make sure he isn’t suspened.

  152. Harrison is going to be forced to hit guys low–in their knees.
    That will be a travesty when a guys knee is blown out and his career is over…all so Harrision can make sure he isn’t suspened.

  153. @Holeinone09 says:
    best post, sums it up percfectly …
    even Todd Heap said right after the game that he didn’t think that the Merriweather hit was that bad. (Illegal or not).
    This is a game for tough boys, Todd went back in, back over the middle and took a knee to the helmet when he went in for a TD.
    I am a Ravens fan and obviously don’t like Harrison that much but would love to have him on my team, just like Hines and Palomalu. I want Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata play with total disregard for fines. I want Brady twitch just from looking at Ngata. that is the football I want to watch.
    As much as I despize the Steelers, it is the matchup I am looking forward the most. It is the way the game is supposed to be played.
    Looking back at the last 10 or so meetings, not that many players where taken off the field. Why?
    Without a doubt the way the players hate each other on the field it is the most violent game the NFL puts on, at least twice a year.
    I believe as we have become a passer league the number of pass plays and the potential for defenseless players getting hit increased. If you pass 40-50 times a game you are exposing your wide receivers at every catch. Especially when the defendor has little left but to try to separate the ball from the receiver or being called on pass interference or risk a TD.
    The games between the Ravens and Steelers are mainly ground and pound games with a heavy emphasis on defense with a few big plays mixed in which tilt the game one way or the other by either resulting in a TD or an INT returned for a TD. But with two ferocious defenses on the same field twice a year you would think people would be carted off left and right. They are not.
    Stop those knee jerk interferences with how the game is supposed to be played, stop favoring the pass play, reduce the padding in the helmet, force everybody to wear the same helmet and a mouth piece and maybe even get rid of the face mask. This will all limit the helmet to helmet contanct and reduce the chance for concussions.
    Rugby is played without any gear.

  154. @Holeinone09 says:
    best post, sums it up percfectly …
    even Todd Heap said right after the game that he didn’t think that the Merriweather hit was that bad. (Illegal or not).
    This is a game for tough boys, Todd went back in, back over the middle and took a knee to the helmet when he went in for a TD.
    I am a Ravens fan and obviously don’t like Harrison that much but would love to have him on my team, just like Hines and Palomalu. I want Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata play with total disregard for fines. I want Brady twitch just from looking at Ngata. that is the football I want to watch.
    As much as I despize the Steelers, it is the matchup I am looking forward the most. It is the way the game is supposed to be played.
    Looking back at the last 10 or so meetings, not that many players where taken off the field. Why?
    Without a doubt the way the players hate each other on the field it is the most violent game the NFL puts on, at least twice a year.
    I believe as we have become a passer league the number of pass plays and the potential for defenseless players getting hit increased. If you pass 40-50 times a game you are exposing your wide receivers at every catch. Especially when the defendor has little left but to try to separate the ball from the receiver or being called on pass interference or risk a TD.
    The games between the Ravens and Steelers are mainly ground and pound games with a heavy emphasis on defense with a few big plays mixed in which tilt the game one way or the other by either resulting in a TD or an INT returned for a TD. But with two ferocious defenses on the same field twice a year you would think people would be carted off left and right. They are not.
    Stop those knee jerk interferences with how the game is supposed to be played, stop favoring the pass play, reduce the padding in the helmet, force everybody to wear the same helmet and a mouth piece and maybe even get rid of the face mask. This will all limit the helmet to helmet contanct and reduce the chance for concussions.
    Rugby is played without any gear.

  155. The golden goose is dying. Prepare to be out of a job when the game is played as you want it, Florio. Actual football fans like the violence, and this type of thing will only drive us away.
    The only reason it is so loudly supported now is that it has not hit their own teams yet; most fans cannot see past their blind hatred of “the other team” long enough to look at the big picture.

  156. The golden goose is dying. Prepare to be out of a job when the game is played as you want it, Florio. Actual football fans like the violence, and this type of thing will only drive us away.
    The only reason it is so loudly supported now is that it has not hit their own teams yet; most fans cannot see past their blind hatred of “the other team” long enough to look at the big picture.

  157. The agent that brings up the “less than 1%” figure is a joke. If you make, say, 50k in a year, and you get caught speeding and get a $500 fine, that’s 1%, and I think that’s a substantial ratio that you would think twice about.

  158. The agent that brings up the “less than 1%” figure is a joke. If you make, say, 50k in a year, and you get caught speeding and get a $500 fine, that’s 1%, and I think that’s a substantial ratio that you would think twice about.

  159. @Holeinone09 says:
    best post, sums it up percfectly …
    even Todd Heap said right after the game that he didn’t think that the Merriweather hit was that bad. (Illegal or not).
    This is a game for tough boys, Todd went back in, back over the middle and took a knee to the helmet when he went in for a TD.
    I am a Ravens fan and obviously don’t like Harrison that much but would love to have him on my team, just like Hines and Palomalu. I want Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata play with total disregard for fines. I want Brady twitch just from looking at Ngata. that is the football I want to watch.
    As much as I despize the Steelers, it is the matchup I am looking forward the most. It is the way the game is supposed to be played.
    Looking back at the last 10 or so meetings, not that many players where taken off the field. Why?
    Without a doubt the way the players hate each other on the field it is the most violent game the NFL puts on, at least twice a year.
    I believe as we have become a passer league the number of pass plays and the potential for defenseless players getting hit increased. If you pass 40-50 times a game you are exposing your wide receivers at every catch. Especially when the defendor has little left but to try to separate the ball from the receiver or being called on pass interference or risk a TD.
    The games between the Ravens and Steelers are mainly ground and pound games with a heavy emphasis on defense with a few big plays mixed in which tilt the game one way or the other by either resulting in a TD or an INT returned for a TD. But with two ferocious defenses on the same field twice a year you would think people would be carted off left and right. They are not.
    Stop those knee jerk interferences with how the game is supposed to be played, stop favoring the pass play, reduce the padding in the helmet, force everybody to wear the same helmet and a mouth piece and maybe even get rid of the face mask. This will all limit the helmet to helmet contanct and reduce the chance for concussions.
    Rugby is played without any gear.

  160. @Holeinone09 says:
    best post, sums it up percfectly …
    even Todd Heap said right after the game that he didn’t think that the Merriweather hit was that bad. (Illegal or not).
    This is a game for tough boys, Todd went back in, back over the middle and took a knee to the helmet when he went in for a TD.
    I am a Ravens fan and obviously don’t like Harrison that much but would love to have him on my team, just like Hines and Palomalu. I want Lewis, Suggs, Reed and Ngata play with total disregard for fines. I want Brady twitch just from looking at Ngata. that is the football I want to watch.
    As much as I despize the Steelers, it is the matchup I am looking forward the most. It is the way the game is supposed to be played.
    Looking back at the last 10 or so meetings, not that many players where taken off the field. Why?
    Without a doubt the way the players hate each other on the field it is the most violent game the NFL puts on, at least twice a year.
    I believe as we have become a passer league the number of pass plays and the potential for defenseless players getting hit increased. If you pass 40-50 times a game you are exposing your wide receivers at every catch. Especially when the defendor has little left but to try to separate the ball from the receiver or being called on pass interference or risk a TD.
    The games between the Ravens and Steelers are mainly ground and pound games with a heavy emphasis on defense with a few big plays mixed in which tilt the game one way or the other by either resulting in a TD or an INT returned for a TD. But with two ferocious defenses on the same field twice a year you would think people would be carted off left and right. They are not.
    Stop those knee jerk interferences with how the game is supposed to be played, stop favoring the pass play, reduce the padding in the helmet, force everybody to wear the same helmet and a mouth piece and maybe even get rid of the face mask. This will all limit the helmet to helmet contanct and reduce the chance for concussions.
    Rugby is played without any gear.

  161. i’m just a bill, yeah i’m only a bill says:
    October 20, 2010 8:03 AM
    like i said in an earlier thread about Finnegan and some other guy getting fined, these guys need to be fined game checks or suspended. i was called a whiny biatch by some jackass because of it….oh well, looks like the league agrees with me….not bad for a whiny jackass….eh dumbass? and you know who you are.
    Just because GODell and his biatches agree with you is nothing to be proud of…. dumbass.
    You’re just jealous because all the players on your team don’t have the talent or the testicles to play the game the way it was meant to be played.

  162. i’m just a bill, yeah i’m only a bill says:
    October 20, 2010 8:03 AM
    like i said in an earlier thread about Finnegan and some other guy getting fined, these guys need to be fined game checks or suspended. i was called a whiny biatch by some jackass because of it….oh well, looks like the league agrees with me….not bad for a whiny jackass….eh dumbass? and you know who you are.
    Just because GODell and his biatches agree with you is nothing to be proud of…. dumbass.
    You’re just jealous because all the players on your team don’t have the talent or the testicles to play the game the way it was meant to be played.

  163. What was harrison supposed to do. He set up to hit the guy in the chest and the defender ducked/tucked in anticipation of the hit. Are defenders now supposed to “know” what an offensive player is going to do? What is the appropriate tackle zone? Does it change depending on the orientation of the defender?
    Imagine if such was the case with MLB and strike zones. Hitters could just lie down on the dirt and get walked every single time. That essentially what the NFL seems to want. Offensive players will now be able to duck and tuck with reckless abandon and draw fouls (like what already happens with pass interference). Pretty soon american football with become like the NBA and soccer with “actors” drawing fouls and deciding games.
    If you do want to take away some of the hard hits, the first thing that needs changed are the pass interference/illegal contact rules. We need to go back to where, as long as the offensive player is between you and the ball, a defensive player is allowed to make contact, regardless of the situation. We need to give defenses more options “than hit the guy really hard so he drops the ball” in defending against short/quick passes.

  164. What was harrison supposed to do. He set up to hit the guy in the chest and the defender ducked/tucked in anticipation of the hit. Are defenders now supposed to “know” what an offensive player is going to do? What is the appropriate tackle zone? Does it change depending on the orientation of the defender?
    Imagine if such was the case with MLB and strike zones. Hitters could just lie down on the dirt and get walked every single time. That essentially what the NFL seems to want. Offensive players will now be able to duck and tuck with reckless abandon and draw fouls (like what already happens with pass interference). Pretty soon american football with become like the NBA and soccer with “actors” drawing fouls and deciding games.
    If you do want to take away some of the hard hits, the first thing that needs changed are the pass interference/illegal contact rules. We need to go back to where, as long as the offensive player is between you and the ball, a defensive player is allowed to make contact, regardless of the situation. We need to give defenses more options “than hit the guy really hard so he drops the ball” in defending against short/quick passes.

  165. James Harrison is a cheap-shot artist. I’m sure everyone has seen it but just in case:



    Oh yeah, lots of you Steelers fans think this is just good football.

  166. James Harrison is a cheap-shot artist. I’m sure everyone has seen it but just in case:



    Oh yeah, lots of you Steelers fans think this is just good football.

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