Comments on: Rich McKay: Illegal hits go beyond helmet-to-helmet

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:15:17 +0000

Well #$%@^#!
I just love making five million erroneous posts! This is what happens when you’re working too many hours and don’t take time to check things out for yourself. I checked out James’s hits–which is why I said “Sorry Steelers fans, but that was a bad hit on Massaquoi.” But could have sworn I read that the NFL cleared Robinson, then turned around and fined him. Thanks for the link–it certainly looked like he led with his head.
As I said, I don’t have a problem with punishing dirty hits–as long was it’s obvious they’re dirty. Do think, however, that they should enforce the ejection rule that’s already in place before they start suspending.
Yes, in terms of quality, I’m sure your poll is as valid as the others. I don’t think any of them are valid. Never have. But your poll doesn’t factor in to deciding the championship, so that’s why I said it’s irrelevant. That’s just simple reality. I find the whole thing unbearably stupid. No they’re not going to answer your letters. This is the NCAA–the most corrupt outfit in sports. That would be like sending Bonnie and Clyde a note suggesting they stop robbing banks. If he hadn’t been consumed by two wars, a near Depression, plus Nazis and witches and Beck OH MY!! throwing nonstop tantrums over losing to the black guy, the president might have been able to focus a little attention on the playoff issue. He did mention it during the campaign.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:15:17 +0000

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:42:17 +0000

Take a full look at the hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAR_zEvT7dM
From the back side, it looks like it’s more shoulder than helmet but from the front, you can clearly see that he got him with the helmet and it wasn’t the case as one person said that he hit him with his shoulder and his head slipped up and hit Jackson, who had ducked. He LED with his head and he hit him with his HEAD and they BOTH were knocked out.
Big deal, they didn’t enforce it but NOW, they are. Offensive pass interference has been on the books forever but certain players have gotten away with it and then they and their fans get indignant when the league decides to stop turning their heads. Let’s not forget that these same defenders who are calling all the offensive players wimps and talking about putting them in skirts were complaining about chop blocks and were thanking the league when they finally came down on the offenders and saved THEIR careers. I find it hypocritical for them to want protection but not the other way around. I say that IF the defenders want to be able to hit a defenseless player and end their career that we allow the chop block to come back as an equalizer. I wonder how quickly they’d change their tune if that were to happen?
As for the last part: I’ve petition the NCAA for decades for a playoff. I’ve sent my plan to the WAC and MWC but haven’t heard anything from them. I prefer a playoff but as long as there are computer polls, I’ll have my own as well and it’s as valid as anyone’s since I’ve been computing power rankings, starting with a basic 4 function calculator back in the stone ages of computing.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:42:17 +0000

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:01:45 +0000

Did I mention Harrison? I thought the Cribbs hit was legal, but I condemned the Massaquoi hit as soon as I saw it. James knows he plays too rough.
I thought the league actually said (right after the game) that Robinson’s hit was legal–that he led with his shoulder. Maybe I’m working off erroneous info.
I don’t have a problem with players being punished for illegal hits. But they’ve had a rule in place for three years that they’d eject those players, so why haven’t they? And why not just enforce that rule now? Why skip that and jump to suspension? I heard Rodney Harrison. Okay, so start with ejections. That should get their attention.
Of course I don’t want another Darryl Stingley. That’s why I didn’t go to the post about Tatum’s death–knew I couldn’t say anything good so why say anything disrespectful on a death thread?
My point is that opinion polls are just indicators of opinion and no one is more valid than another. Unfortunately, the college ranking polls are used to decide who wins the championship. I hate that. You know I favor an objective playoff system that has no poll involvement. Given that the only way the Tide can win a championship is by ranking number one in the polls, I’m happy if they do. But the only poll I look at is the one that can lead to a crystal trophy. The others are irrelevant. (Thought I’d said that before.) I don’t even read them. Why bother? That nonsense gives me a headache.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:01:45 +0000

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:26:50 +0000

The rules haven’t changed ONE IOTA, Deb and you should know that or else stop trying to claim that you know the rules.
The commissioner is trying to get them to stop using the helmet as a weapon AS THE RULES INTEND. What is different NOW is that he’s threatening them with missing game time, which as some of the defenders as have said THEMSELVES, would be more effective than a fine. It’s the blood lusters that keep threatening to stop watching and that buy all those videos that have kept this crap going. The NFL should have stopped this with Darryl Stingley but they didn’t. Hell, it wasn’t even a penalty until AFTER he was paralyzed; will it take a death for people to understand that they need to stop this?
You and anyone else that believes that Robinson’s hit wasn’t illegal should have your eyes examined. He hit Jackson in the head with his — WAIT FOR IT — HELMET and even if Jackson wouldn’t have ducked, he would have still hit him in the head with his HELMET. The hit knocked BOTH of them out so how you can possibly say that it was a shoulder hit when they both went down and out. Seriously, did you even bother looking at the play or are you just parroting the comments of the Falcons fans, who are making excuses for Robinson. He LED with his helmet. He hit him with his HELMET. He got a side side but still got him on the helmet and chin. Had he led with his shoulder, it would have been a lower hit but he didn’t. Jackson dropped his head but NOT his body to the point that anyone can say that the hit was exacerbated by his position.
Now, I’m NOT going after your beloved Harrison or anything other Steeler that you wish to protect, I’m talking about every player that does it on every team (and if they’d let through one of my posts that is far more specific, you’d understand that). If that means that they suspend a Cowboys player – SO BE IT. I don’t play home games with this crap like some people so it doesn’t matter WHO the offender is.
Funny but I think that if the poll were skewed the other way, you’d point that out as valid, just as you favor polls that give your Tide a higher standing.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:26:50 +0000

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:12:23 +0000

I’m sick of reading posts about “blood lusters” by poll-obsessed people with the emotional maturity of third-graders.
We don’t want to see players injured. However, the NFL has a responsibility to implement rules in a coherent way. Rules designed to limit blow-up hits by ejecting egregious offenders have been in place three years, but the NFL has not bothered to apply them. Now, instead of working with what’s in place, the league is going to escalate to suspending players–effective immediately.
Players know they’re not to lead with their helmets, but have always been told they can lead with their shoulders. Based on the $50,000 fine for Dunta Robinson, the rules have changes–despite Goodell’s assertions that the rules haven’t changed. I don’t want to see defensive players injured because they’re second-guessing their moves at full speed. Their safety is just as important as anyone else’s.
Incidentally, the opinions of 57 percent of poll respondents are no more valid than the opinions of 43 percent. An opinion is just that–an opinion.

By: Deb

Deb — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:12:23 +0000

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:01:47 +0000

Ok, so far that poll has turned on you blood lusters as it’s NOW, 57 to 43.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:01:47 +0000

Ok, so far that poll has turned on you blood lusters as it’s NOW, 57 to 43.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:19:32 +0000

BTW, for all you blood lust fans, ESPN’s current poll of 114,000+ say that this was the appropriate action by a 52 to 48 percent margin. You should probably head over there and raise it to 48.005%.

By: edgy1957

edgy1957 — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:19:32 +0000

BTW, for all you blood lust fans, ESPN’s current poll of 114,000+ say that this was the appropriate action by a 52 to 48 percent margin. You should probably head over there and raise it to 48.005%.

By: eagledan

eagledan — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:34:06 +0000

* A lot of Eagles fans are calling for the head of Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson for his hit on DeSean Jackson. But I have a bigger problem with safety Thomas DeCoud’s late-second quarter shot on Brent Celek. Robinson’s lick on Jackson wasn’t premeditated. He correctly got a penalty because he dropped his head at the last second and caught Jackson under the jaw with his helmet. But he wasn’t head-hunting. DeCoud, on the other hand, was. He was a full 5 yards away from Celek when Kevin Kolb’s pass was tipped by linebacker Curtis Lofton. He had plenty of time to pull up, but opted to follow through and level the Eagles tight end.

By: eagledan

eagledan — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:34:06 +0000

By: ialto

ialto — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:29:53 +0000

Plain and simple. If you launch yourself at a player without attempting to wrap up and tackle – that my friend should be an illegal hit. You can still jar the ball loose and do it legally.
The toughness of football doesn’t need to and will not be lost with this rule change people. It just adds intelligence and fundamentals back to it.

By: ialto

ialto — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:29:53 +0000

By: BC

BC — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:25:00 +0000

Check this out from 25 years ago: http://www.bucpower.com/brantley-det85h.wmv No flag. No fine. Sorry folks, the game is violent. People get hurt. If it ceases to be that way people aren't going to watch.

By: BC

BC — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:25:00 +0000

By: TheDPR

TheDPR — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:30:44 +0000

I like Eisen’s replay question. Notice how McKay talks and talks but doesn’t answer it?
“Replay is not a panacea — we’re not a league that’s going to try to get every play and call right,” McKay said. “We’re going to try to use replay as a complementary system to correct the obvious error on the big, big play. . . . I don’t see us as a league that wants to get into the business of having penalties be reviewed.”
So McKay’s answer to “why not use replay for this stuff?” is basically, “because we don’t want to.”
If fantasy football wasn’t so fun and there was another sport in this country that was remotely watchable, the NFL would be screwed. As ineptly run as the league is, every other major sports league is managed even worse. What’s that say about the state of American sports right now?

By: TheDPR

TheDPR — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:30:44 +0000

By: weix

weix — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:48:31 +0000

thank god for college football and the nhl

By: weix

weix — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:48:31 +0000

thank god for college football and the nhl

By: steelerdynasty

steelerdynasty — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:22:56 +0000

i’ll keep this simple. by effectively telling defenders that they must wait until a catch is completed to initiate contact, YOU ARE CHANGING THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED. It is no longer possible to use brute force to separate a receiver from the football (as EVERYONE is taught to do). LBs for example do not have the same ball skill set as DBs do, so its not reasonable to ask them to “go for the ball” instead of the receiver, because thats not allowing them to play to their strengths. You just cant legislate everything. Its obvious that they’ve already gotten into the players’ heads about this, they need to let it go and focus on player safety by lengthening the regular season.

By: steelerdynasty

steelerdynasty — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:22:56 +0000

By: Opie

Opie — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:18:39 +0000

@ Deb: you know what, that is a very good point/observation by you. “Follow the money.” Isn’t that what they always say….

By: Opie

Opie — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:18:39 +0000

@ Deb: you know what, that is a very good point/observation by you. “Follow the money.” Isn’t that what they always say….

By: Opie

Opie — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:13:35 +0000

@ bereado says:
“The same mentality that says “let them play, they know the risks, it;s football” is the same mentality that leads to STDs, vehicular manslaughter, catastrophic injuries by way of horseplay, etc.”
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Can I borrow your “bubble” when you’re done using it?
Catastrophic injuries by way of horseplay = STDs = vehicular manslaughter = football players wanting to play physically?
Why stop there?!? Say it is what has lead to islamic extremism, ADHD, and me not having enough sugar for my dang coffee this morning?
Seriously, it sounds like you’re going through some type of midlife crisis?
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“the hard hits did not come before modern helmets.”
Really? Come on, man! As for Rodney Harrison, he’s doing it for publicity. Pick an issue and take the controversial side. Argue, watch the comments role in, repeat…….or is that Cornflorio?

By: Opie

Opie — Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:13:35 +0000