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Setting Mark Schlereth straight on a few points regarding "big hits"

I’m due to appear on radio in Denver with ESPN’s Mark Schlereth at the bottom of the hour, and I’ve listened with great interest to his rants on SportsCenter and NFL Live.

Though I love his passion, I need to set him straight on a few key points.

First, he says the NFL is taking “big hits” out of the game.  That’s not the case.  The NFL is hoping to get illegal hits out of the game, specifically involving the use of the helmet against defenseless players and/or striking defenseless players in the head.

Of course, Schlereth is likely under the impression that “big hits” have been taken out of the game because for roughly 12 hours from Monday night until Tuesday morning ESPN left us all under the impression that “devastating hits” would be banned.  As it turns out, ESPN was wrong to push that message — but ESPN has never clarified nor apologized for creating that false impression. 

Second, Schlereth objects to fining players but he has no problem with suspending them.  But suspensions for matters of this nature occur without pay, so a suspension would result in both a player’s money and his ability to play being taken away.

Third, Schlereth complains that the NFL wants to take money away from players for big hits but doesn’t want to give money to retired players.  However, the fine money goes directly to programs that benefit retired players.  Also, the league has greatly improved benefits to retired players, including most recently the inclusion of players with Lou Gehrig’s Disease within the “88 Plan.”

On a broader note, media outlets need to do a better job of making it clear what is and isn’t permitted.  When talking about James Harrison’s $75,000 fine on NFL Live, for example, ESPN plays video of both of Harrison’s helmet-to-helmet hits from Sunday against the Browns:  (1) his hit on Josh Cribbs; and (2) his hit on Mohamed Massaquoi.  But the Cribbs hit isn’t illegal — so why in the hell is ESPN showing the Cribbs hit when talking about illegal hits?

There’s a lot of confusion out there right now, and ESPN to date has failed in its inherent mission to communicate clear information to the audience. 

It’s not criticism.  It’s fact.  We’re here to serve the fans, and ESPN needs to do a better job in that regard on this critical issue.

And the NFL needs to make sure ESPN knows it.  The potential damage ESPN is doing far outweighs the perceived indignity created by Playmakers, the fictional pro football series that the league office once strong armed ESPN into canceling.

UPDATEHere’s the audio.  I refrained from launching into another Matt Millen tantrum.

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  1. Zima-Man says: Oct 20, 2010 7:32 PM

    Mike –
    all valid points RE:ESPN
    but they dont care because their business model is copied from another Connecticut company called theWWF. you set up good vs evil and then you just rake in the cash
    their inherent mission is to “send mix signals” and if there isnt anything to spin then just make it up

  2. Zima-Man says: Oct 20, 2010 7:32 PM

    Mike –
    all valid points RE:ESPN
    but they dont care because their business model is copied from another Connecticut company called theWWF. you set up good vs evil and then you just rake in the cash
    their inherent mission is to “send mix signals” and if there isnt anything to spin then just make it up

  3. gm12086 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:33 PM

    Good points, Florio. Write more crap like this and people won’t hammer on you as much.

  4. gm12086 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:33 PM

    Good points, Florio. Write more crap like this and people won’t hammer on you as much.

  5. cheyanne765 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:36 PM

    i am with mark on this,,,

  6. cheyanne765 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:36 PM

    i am with mark on this,,,

  7. gameday says: Oct 20, 2010 7:37 PM

    Schlereth played in the league. He is better connected within the league. He knows the league better. His voice within the league carries ALOT more weight and credibility than yours.
    Florio I think it would be wise to NOT set Mr. Schlereth straight on a few points before HE sets YOU straight.

  8. gameday says: Oct 20, 2010 7:37 PM

    Schlereth played in the league. He is better connected within the league. He knows the league better. His voice within the league carries ALOT more weight and credibility than yours.
    Florio I think it would be wise to NOT set Mr. Schlereth straight on a few points before HE sets YOU straight.

  9. CaptainFantastik says: Oct 20, 2010 7:44 PM

    LOL. Mike Florio trying to set Mark Schlereth straight about football. That’s a laugh. I doubt Florio has ever snapped on a helmet in his life.

  10. CaptainFantastik says: Oct 20, 2010 7:44 PM

    LOL. Mike Florio trying to set Mark Schlereth straight about football. That’s a laugh. I doubt Florio has ever snapped on a helmet in his life.

  11. guyincognito says: Oct 20, 2010 7:45 PM

    Seems like you are just beating this with your big ol’ ANTI-ESPN stick that you have had in storage for a few weeks.
    This is pretty transparent, hope Schlereth calls you out on air.

  12. guyincognito says: Oct 20, 2010 7:45 PM

    Seems like you are just beating this with your big ol’ ANTI-ESPN stick that you have had in storage for a few weeks.
    This is pretty transparent, hope Schlereth calls you out on air.

  13. yahoo.com says: Oct 20, 2010 7:46 PM

    In my opinion, if the hit doesn’t draw a flag it shouldn’t draw a fine or suspension. The referees are on the field and are better able to police the “diliberate” intentions of the hit. Also, defenseless hits need to be clearly defined, because they are rather ambigous. The NFL needs to make sure that the defense can still make a play to knock the ball loose, because they have already tipped the advantage so far to the offense.

  14. yahoo.com says: Oct 20, 2010 7:46 PM

    In my opinion, if the hit doesn’t draw a flag it shouldn’t draw a fine or suspension. The referees are on the field and are better able to police the “diliberate” intentions of the hit. Also, defenseless hits need to be clearly defined, because they are rather ambigous. The NFL needs to make sure that the defense can still make a play to knock the ball loose, because they have already tipped the advantage so far to the offense.

  15. Hoss says: Oct 20, 2010 7:49 PM

    How can Harrison think there isn’t a problem with the way he plays? If you hit helmet to helmet 2x in a span of 7 min and both times it causes players to not return, Your out of control and need to change how you hit….

  16. Hoss says: Oct 20, 2010 7:49 PM

    How can Harrison think there isn’t a problem with the way he plays? If you hit helmet to helmet 2x in a span of 7 min and both times it causes players to not return, Your out of control and need to change how you hit….

  17. George C. Costanza says: Oct 20, 2010 7:50 PM

    ESPN’s producers care about the pictures not the information. It’s a picture-driven medium. You could have both but that’s harder to pull off.

  18. George C. Costanza says: Oct 20, 2010 7:50 PM

    ESPN’s producers care about the pictures not the information. It’s a picture-driven medium. You could have both but that’s harder to pull off.

  19. Because I Care says: Oct 20, 2010 7:51 PM

    You work for a NBC. A network that thinks putting Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison on television is a good way of serving the fans.

  20. Because I Care says: Oct 20, 2010 7:51 PM

    You work for a NBC. A network that thinks putting Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison on television is a good way of serving the fans.

  21. cunn9305 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    Yeah … you go ahead and set Schlereth straight on how you should make a tackle in the NFL dude … is this going to be televised ??? … if so I’m sure the NFL will be selling photos of said encounter before the night is out … can you say “devastating” ??? …

  22. cunn9305 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    Yeah … you go ahead and set Schlereth straight on how you should make a tackle in the NFL dude … is this going to be televised ??? … if so I’m sure the NFL will be selling photos of said encounter before the night is out … can you say “devastating” ??? …

  23. flake13 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    That’s it, blame ESPN…

  24. flake13 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    That’s it, blame ESPN…

  25. TheWizard says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    Playmakers was cool.
    Ray Luca as football coach.
    Gotta love that.

  26. TheWizard says: Oct 20, 2010 7:55 PM

    Playmakers was cool.
    Ray Luca as football coach.
    Gotta love that.

  27. Brickj says: Oct 20, 2010 7:56 PM

    Helmet to helmet contact is one thing. but you can’t say that “big hits” will not be taken out of the game. Florio did you ever even play the game at any level?!! Players will “pull up for fear of receiving a $50k plus fine or suspension. Ask Dunta Robinson about it… Big hit! Led with the shoulder & he still gets fined… Bull shit! Also expect players to ask for more money to either help offset expensive fines or players that feel they deserve extra because they make perfect tackles without incurring a fine. Then you writers will be crying about how the players make too much & they shouldn’t cry about their wages. Big Hits like Robinson’s & to an extent Harris’ are a part of the game. If you don’t think it’s right don’t watch or play. This is a gladiators sport. The league already put dresses on the QB. Why don’t they just play flag football! NFL… Not For Ladies!

  28. Brickj says: Oct 20, 2010 7:56 PM

    Helmet to helmet contact is one thing. but you can’t say that “big hits” will not be taken out of the game. Florio did you ever even play the game at any level?!! Players will “pull up for fear of receiving a $50k plus fine or suspension. Ask Dunta Robinson about it… Big hit! Led with the shoulder & he still gets fined… Bull shit! Also expect players to ask for more money to either help offset expensive fines or players that feel they deserve extra because they make perfect tackles without incurring a fine. Then you writers will be crying about how the players make too much & they shouldn’t cry about their wages. Big Hits like Robinson’s & to an extent Harris’ are a part of the game. If you don’t think it’s right don’t watch or play. This is a gladiators sport. The league already put dresses on the QB. Why don’t they just play flag football! NFL… Not For Ladies!

  29. Opie says: Oct 20, 2010 7:57 PM

    Simma down naw, Cornflorio. While you’re up on your soapbox, could you tell me all the things wrong with the economy and how to fix them?
    If I had the forum, I’d argue with you. However, I’ll simply say that it takes a huge scrotum to call out someone for not reporting “just the facts” when you are just as guilty. You, and the folks you’re responsible for, take liberties with quotes from players. You take similar quotes out of context to create rumors, etc.
    Saying that, I understand why you do it. I also recognize and appreciate that you’ve taken this little blog from nowhere to somewhere. Kudos for that.
    My thought is that you’re now trying to create a reputation. In the short span of what, a year, you’ve now got: Channing Crowder, Steve Smith, James Harrison, Schlereth & ESPN that are not going to be sending you birthday presents…….I hope this NBC thing works out cause that’s quite a few bridges on fire.

  30. Opie says: Oct 20, 2010 7:57 PM

    Simma down naw, Cornflorio. While you’re up on your soapbox, could you tell me all the things wrong with the economy and how to fix them?
    If I had the forum, I’d argue with you. However, I’ll simply say that it takes a huge scrotum to call out someone for not reporting “just the facts” when you are just as guilty. You, and the folks you’re responsible for, take liberties with quotes from players. You take similar quotes out of context to create rumors, etc.
    Saying that, I understand why you do it. I also recognize and appreciate that you’ve taken this little blog from nowhere to somewhere. Kudos for that.
    My thought is that you’re now trying to create a reputation. In the short span of what, a year, you’ve now got: Channing Crowder, Steve Smith, James Harrison, Schlereth & ESPN that are not going to be sending you birthday presents…….I hope this NBC thing works out cause that’s quite a few bridges on fire.

  31. pfii63 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:58 PM

    I can’t believe that I am going to say this…
    Florio is 100% right. :-)

  32. pfii63 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:58 PM

    I can’t believe that I am going to say this…
    Florio is 100% right. :-)

  33. Richm2257 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:59 PM

    “There’s a lot of confusion out there right now, and ESPN to date has failed in its inherent mission to communicate clear information to the audience”
    True that, Mike.
    I was out at dinner last night and the TV in the background was tuned to ESPN, showing hit after hit after hit on end, with “talking heads” ponificating on these vicious “illegal” hits. But every other clip showed a clean hit either to the back, the shoulders or the chest.
    A hard hit is not an “illegal” hit. These jackasses are trying to get the NFL to legislate every tackle, capitalizing on the feeeding frenzy after Sunday’s games.
    By the way, Steeler fans; Bill Blelichick sat Merriweather’s a$$ DOWN after that last hit – did Tomlin sit Harrison’s down? And today Merriweather issued a public apology for his hits – did Harrison?
    Everybody in Pittsburgh – including Harrison himself – refuses to acknowledge the illegality of those hits. Bunch of thugs.
    And rapists.

  34. Richm2257 says: Oct 20, 2010 7:59 PM

    “There’s a lot of confusion out there right now, and ESPN to date has failed in its inherent mission to communicate clear information to the audience”
    True that, Mike.
    I was out at dinner last night and the TV in the background was tuned to ESPN, showing hit after hit after hit on end, with “talking heads” ponificating on these vicious “illegal” hits. But every other clip showed a clean hit either to the back, the shoulders or the chest.
    A hard hit is not an “illegal” hit. These jackasses are trying to get the NFL to legislate every tackle, capitalizing on the feeeding frenzy after Sunday’s games.
    By the way, Steeler fans; Bill Blelichick sat Merriweather’s a$$ DOWN after that last hit – did Tomlin sit Harrison’s down? And today Merriweather issued a public apology for his hits – did Harrison?
    Everybody in Pittsburgh – including Harrison himself – refuses to acknowledge the illegality of those hits. Bunch of thugs.
    And rapists.

  35. jason anderson says: Oct 20, 2010 8:00 PM

    i hope the audio of your upcoming appearance is available. i often wonder if the dudes on NFL live even watch football. or do the writers for the program just write them as characters. mark schlereth is one of the worst people on that show. he’s condescending, a moralist and thinks too highly of himself.
    for the people busting on florio for his attempt to set schlereth straight, maybe try reading the post that you’re commenting on. he makes a good case for being accurate with regards to what is being reported. plus, i like seeing people take on those jackasses at ESPN.

  36. jason anderson says: Oct 20, 2010 8:00 PM

    i hope the audio of your upcoming appearance is available. i often wonder if the dudes on NFL live even watch football. or do the writers for the program just write them as characters. mark schlereth is one of the worst people on that show. he’s condescending, a moralist and thinks too highly of himself.
    for the people busting on florio for his attempt to set schlereth straight, maybe try reading the post that you’re commenting on. he makes a good case for being accurate with regards to what is being reported. plus, i like seeing people take on those jackasses at ESPN.

  37. Terry says: Oct 20, 2010 8:00 PM

    I think Mark took to many big hits!

  38. Terry says: Oct 20, 2010 8:00 PM

    I think Mark took to many big hits!

  39. TMC says: Oct 20, 2010 8:02 PM

    Allow me to retort.
    First, there are players getting fined and flagged for hits that fall UNDER the rules. NFL.com has a video showing legal and illegal hits as discussed by Mayock and others on NFL Network. One of the legal hits drew a flag. The other was Dunta Robinson’s hit, which they also deemed legal, and it drew a $50,000 fine. The NFL was selling a photo of James Harrison and his illegal hit. While they took down one photo, the same company offers a different version of the SAME photo. So, while the NFL may give the presence of wanting player safety, they sure do not mind making cash off of the plays that are “illegal”.
    Second, if they suspended James Harrison for one game, it would have been less of a financial impact of the fine levied. You can look towards signing bonuses and roster bonuses if you like, but those are sunk costs. James Harrison’s fine equates to a game and a half of his salary this season. And, what if James Harrison blows his knee out in the first quarter of the next game, in a quarter he is actually not getting paid to play since the fine equates to 1 1/2 games. Is the injury risk they take for playing to earn the suspension money worth more than just eating the suspension? What if it were TJ Ward who receives a $75,000 fine, which is almost 4 game checks for him. Do you think the risk of playing in 4 games where you hand the league your pay is worth it to him?
    Third, the fine money does not go directly to the retired players, it goes to a myriad of charities including the retired players. So, if they fine you $100,000, you could see 5% of it going to retired players. And, the league does not contribute any of it, it is/was the player’s money. It is simply being redistributed as the NFL sees fit. So, if they use it to back Breast Cancer Awareness, you have taken $75,000 from a player and not handed it to the retired players.
    I hope Schlereth tears you a new ass.

  40. TMC says: Oct 20, 2010 8:02 PM

    Allow me to retort.
    First, there are players getting fined and flagged for hits that fall UNDER the rules. NFL.com has a video showing legal and illegal hits as discussed by Mayock and others on NFL Network. One of the legal hits drew a flag. The other was Dunta Robinson’s hit, which they also deemed legal, and it drew a $50,000 fine. The NFL was selling a photo of James Harrison and his illegal hit. While they took down one photo, the same company offers a different version of the SAME photo. So, while the NFL may give the presence of wanting player safety, they sure do not mind making cash off of the plays that are “illegal”.
    Second, if they suspended James Harrison for one game, it would have been less of a financial impact of the fine levied. You can look towards signing bonuses and roster bonuses if you like, but those are sunk costs. James Harrison’s fine equates to a game and a half of his salary this season. And, what if James Harrison blows his knee out in the first quarter of the next game, in a quarter he is actually not getting paid to play since the fine equates to 1 1/2 games. Is the injury risk they take for playing to earn the suspension money worth more than just eating the suspension? What if it were TJ Ward who receives a $75,000 fine, which is almost 4 game checks for him. Do you think the risk of playing in 4 games where you hand the league your pay is worth it to him?
    Third, the fine money does not go directly to the retired players, it goes to a myriad of charities including the retired players. So, if they fine you $100,000, you could see 5% of it going to retired players. And, the league does not contribute any of it, it is/was the player’s money. It is simply being redistributed as the NFL sees fit. So, if they use it to back Breast Cancer Awareness, you have taken $75,000 from a player and not handed it to the retired players.
    I hope Schlereth tears you a new ass.

  41. funi says: Oct 20, 2010 8:03 PM

    Put Schlereth in his place. He is anonther NFL player who took cheap chop blocks on defenders, was possiblity the 20th best player on any team he played on, and goes to the world wide loser and acts like he knows everything!

  42. funi says: Oct 20, 2010 8:03 PM

    Put Schlereth in his place. He is anonther NFL player who took cheap chop blocks on defenders, was possiblity the 20th best player on any team he played on, and goes to the world wide loser and acts like he knows everything!

  43. gruntersdad says: Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM

    1. Suggestions for help. a defensive player, as in hockey, may not leave his feet to hit another player.
    2. Prevent NFL films from using such hits to sell,or promote themselves, NFL Films, or the league.

  44. gruntersdad says: Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM

    1. Suggestions for help. a defensive player, as in hockey, may not leave his feet to hit another player.
    2. Prevent NFL films from using such hits to sell,or promote themselves, NFL Films, or the league.

  45. Testify says: Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM

    stinks an idiot who listens to this moron….

  46. Testify says: Oct 20, 2010 8:05 PM

    stinks an idiot who listens to this moron….

  47. FiveToolPlayer says: Oct 20, 2010 8:14 PM

    Level of agreement: 10,000%. Sure, Schlereth played the game and Florio didn’t. But like it or not, now that we know what happens to the human brain with some of these hits, the game is making subtle changes, and Schlereth isn’t ready to deal with it (neither, apparently, is James Harrison).
    And as has already been said, ESPN isn’t interested in the truth. They’re interested in eyeballs glued to ESPN.

  48. FiveToolPlayer says: Oct 20, 2010 8:14 PM

    Level of agreement: 10,000%. Sure, Schlereth played the game and Florio didn’t. But like it or not, now that we know what happens to the human brain with some of these hits, the game is making subtle changes, and Schlereth isn’t ready to deal with it (neither, apparently, is James Harrison).
    And as has already been said, ESPN isn’t interested in the truth. They’re interested in eyeballs glued to ESPN.

  49. Dryheave says: Oct 20, 2010 8:14 PM

    CaptainFantastik says:
    October 20, 2010 7:44 PM
    LOL. Mike Florio trying to set Mark Schlereth straight about football. That’s a laugh. I doubt Florio has ever snapped on a helmet in his life.
    ————————————————-
    LMAO….just picturing Florio with a football helmet on is comical……..if you look in the dictionary for the definition of “Pencil necked geek” there is a picture of Florio

  50. Dryheave says: Oct 20, 2010 8:14 PM

    CaptainFantastik says:
    October 20, 2010 7:44 PM
    LOL. Mike Florio trying to set Mark Schlereth straight about football. That’s a laugh. I doubt Florio has ever snapped on a helmet in his life.
    ————————————————-
    LMAO….just picturing Florio with a football helmet on is comical……..if you look in the dictionary for the definition of “Pencil necked geek” there is a picture of Florio

  51. 8ball says: Oct 20, 2010 8:15 PM

    .
    Isn’t Schlereth the dude who hosted a two hour ESPN special in which he offered incontrovertible proof that the Patriots were breaking down opponents signs at halftime allowing them to know every play prior to the snap?
    Unfortunately for Mr Schlereth the NFL said that it never happened.
    Credibility? I think not.
    .

  52. 8ball says: Oct 20, 2010 8:15 PM

    .
    Isn’t Schlereth the dude who hosted a two hour ESPN special in which he offered incontrovertible proof that the Patriots were breaking down opponents signs at halftime allowing them to know every play prior to the snap?
    Unfortunately for Mr Schlereth the NFL said that it never happened.
    Credibility? I think not.
    .

  53. Testify says: Oct 20, 2010 8:21 PM

    denver? that explains the raider hate…

  54. Testify says: Oct 20, 2010 8:21 PM

    denver? that explains the raider hate…

  55. savocabol1 says: Oct 20, 2010 8:23 PM

    Florio you are correct. ESPN glorifies bit devastating hits constantly. Remember their pregame segment called JACKED UP? It was nothing but crazy hits on players.

  56. savocabol1 says: Oct 20, 2010 8:23 PM

    Florio you are correct. ESPN glorifies bit devastating hits constantly. Remember their pregame segment called JACKED UP? It was nothing but crazy hits on players.

  57. BennyBoy says: Oct 20, 2010 8:23 PM

    Watch Harrison’s hit on Massaquoi again. There is no helmet-to-helmet contact.
    Although after reading the rule, I agree it was an illegal hit. You can’t lead with you shoulder or forearm and hit the other player’s head.

  58. BennyBoy says: Oct 20, 2010 8:23 PM

    Watch Harrison’s hit on Massaquoi again. There is no helmet-to-helmet contact.
    Although after reading the rule, I agree it was an illegal hit. You can’t lead with you shoulder or forearm and hit the other player’s head.

  59. Punt Intended says: Oct 20, 2010 8:25 PM

    blah blah ESPN is bad blah blah ESPN is bad blah blah blah
    every 2nd article
    I get it, you’re with NBC — and you and holier than thou Harrison and Dungy need to try to keep your jobs because no one else will hire you. with the exception of the 2 NFL brass who have piped up about these hits and dealt with them in a knee-jerk way…NBC is the only people pushing for suspensions for players. Darn near every other analyst and current player I’ve heard speak on the subject has said this is wrong. You’ll see the real issue in a few weeks when the leg injuries start to pile up and between suspensions and injuries you’re watching the practice squads play.
    Do you know the folks at ESPN don’t rag on your site like you do on theirs? Your articles might not need such a grain of salt if you showed some integrity.

  60. Punt Intended says: Oct 20, 2010 8:25 PM

    blah blah ESPN is bad blah blah ESPN is bad blah blah blah
    every 2nd article
    I get it, you’re with NBC — and you and holier than thou Harrison and Dungy need to try to keep your jobs because no one else will hire you. with the exception of the 2 NFL brass who have piped up about these hits and dealt with them in a knee-jerk way…NBC is the only people pushing for suspensions for players. Darn near every other analyst and current player I’ve heard speak on the subject has said this is wrong. You’ll see the real issue in a few weeks when the leg injuries start to pile up and between suspensions and injuries you’re watching the practice squads play.
    Do you know the folks at ESPN don’t rag on your site like you do on theirs? Your articles might not need such a grain of salt if you showed some integrity.

  61. Bone says: Oct 20, 2010 8:32 PM

    Sorry I missed it….I’m sure you were tactful but poignant.
    I wish ‘straightening him out’ would shut him up, but it won’t. Maybe, at least, it’ll encourage him to inform himself before he spouts off, but I doubt it.
    Schlereth is such an annoying blow-hard. Man oh man, half of what comes out of his mouth is, to put it kindly, flat out inaccurate.

  62. Bone says: Oct 20, 2010 8:32 PM

    Sorry I missed it….I’m sure you were tactful but poignant.
    I wish ‘straightening him out’ would shut him up, but it won’t. Maybe, at least, it’ll encourage him to inform himself before he spouts off, but I doubt it.
    Schlereth is such an annoying blow-hard. Man oh man, half of what comes out of his mouth is, to put it kindly, flat out inaccurate.

  63. HateSycophants says: Oct 20, 2010 8:36 PM

    I can’t stand Schlereth, but the idea of Mike Florio setting him straight on anything football related is comically ridiculous.

  64. HateSycophants says: Oct 20, 2010 8:36 PM

    I can’t stand Schlereth, but the idea of Mike Florio setting him straight on anything football related is comically ridiculous.

  65. Raiderjefe says: Oct 20, 2010 8:38 PM

    Schlereth was an O-lineman. WTF does he know about tackling and illegal hits?? Well besides the Shanarat chop-block style of O-line play. Another BSPN blow-hard.

  66. Raiderjefe says: Oct 20, 2010 8:38 PM

    Schlereth was an O-lineman. WTF does he know about tackling and illegal hits?? Well besides the Shanarat chop-block style of O-line play. Another BSPN blow-hard.

  67. TheBigOldDog says: Oct 20, 2010 8:42 PM

    Like I said early on, it’s the very nature of lawyers to substitute their judgment for that of people with expertise in the subject without hesitation. The audacity of a lawyer who runs a football blog setting a 12 year NFL veteran with 3 super bowl rings straight about the NFL is comical in the extreme. The arrogance on the other hand, is breathtaking.
    The lawyers will destroy the NFL just like they destroy everything they get their hands on. It’s not a matter of if, it’s only a matter of how long it will take.

  68. TheBigOldDog says: Oct 20, 2010 8:42 PM

    Like I said early on, it’s the very nature of lawyers to substitute their judgment for that of people with expertise in the subject without hesitation. The audacity of a lawyer who runs a football blog setting a 12 year NFL veteran with 3 super bowl rings straight about the NFL is comical in the extreme. The arrogance on the other hand, is breathtaking.
    The lawyers will destroy the NFL just like they destroy everything they get their hands on. It’s not a matter of if, it’s only a matter of how long it will take.

  69. chw081999 says: Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM

    Well done Mike !!!!

  70. chw081999 says: Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM

    Well done Mike !!!!

  71. steven_holt says: Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM

    Just my thoughts..
    1. Meriweather’s hit on todd heap was completely illegal warrants being ejected from the game at time of the hit, with a fine. Same with T.J. Wards hit on shipley few weeks back, ball was gone from players hands and play was pretty much over when hits occurred
    2. Robinson’s hit on jackson. Completely legal.
    **Desean took a step & even braced for the hit.
    **Hit was in center of his chest,far from the head and neck area,and was not led with dunta’s helmet,shoulder or forearm, it was a chest to chest blasting.
    ** The WR’S shouldn’t run across the middle in zone coverage or have the ball thrown to them,unless they are ready to take that hit
    **Because of the bullshit pass interference calls db’s & safeties & linebackers have to play way off the ball then hope for a huge hit, because they can’t get to close or they will get called for P.I.
    3. Harrisons hits. You can’t fine a player at all for a play you didn’t even throw a flag on. The hit on Cribbs was legal but unneeded as he was going down anyway,but it was fine and legal. The hit on massaqui in my opinion was legal as well, massaqui lowers his head to try and bull rush harrison and brace for the hit himself.Harrison doesn’t make that hit and massaqui has a reception.
    4.Lehonards hit was so legal, not sure why espn is not showing that hit at all and asking why their was a flag on the play.
    Mark is completely right in my opinion. It’s pretty shady how the league is handling everything. He knows better than anyone about the game and what the players want. Offensive players should step their strength & conditioning up so that lil beans like desean can take a hit, whens last time T.O. or Andre Johnson got ran over? Braylon Edwards? Players are going to play out of natural reaction and training your not going to have a second to stop and think wait will this hit get me a fine or a flag, its a fast game you can’t stop physics they are doing what they were taught to in the split miliseconds of the game & their reactions. If they have an illegal hit throw them out of the game, if its after the half they sit out next game to, end of story….just my 2 cents

  72. steven_holt says: Oct 20, 2010 8:44 PM

    Just my thoughts..
    1. Meriweather’s hit on todd heap was completely illegal warrants being ejected from the game at time of the hit, with a fine. Same with T.J. Wards hit on shipley few weeks back, ball was gone from players hands and play was pretty much over when hits occurred
    2. Robinson’s hit on jackson. Completely legal.
    **Desean took a step & even braced for the hit.
    **Hit was in center of his chest,far from the head and neck area,and was not led with dunta’s helmet,shoulder or forearm, it was a chest to chest blasting.
    ** The WR’S shouldn’t run across the middle in zone coverage or have the ball thrown to them,unless they are ready to take that hit
    **Because of the bullshit pass interference calls db’s & safeties & linebackers have to play way off the ball then hope for a huge hit, because they can’t get to close or they will get called for P.I.
    3. Harrisons hits. You can’t fine a player at all for a play you didn’t even throw a flag on. The hit on Cribbs was legal but unneeded as he was going down anyway,but it was fine and legal. The hit on massaqui in my opinion was legal as well, massaqui lowers his head to try and bull rush harrison and brace for the hit himself.Harrison doesn’t make that hit and massaqui has a reception.
    4.Lehonards hit was so legal, not sure why espn is not showing that hit at all and asking why their was a flag on the play.
    Mark is completely right in my opinion. It’s pretty shady how the league is handling everything. He knows better than anyone about the game and what the players want. Offensive players should step their strength & conditioning up so that lil beans like desean can take a hit, whens last time T.O. or Andre Johnson got ran over? Braylon Edwards? Players are going to play out of natural reaction and training your not going to have a second to stop and think wait will this hit get me a fine or a flag, its a fast game you can’t stop physics they are doing what they were taught to in the split miliseconds of the game & their reactions. If they have an illegal hit throw them out of the game, if its after the half they sit out next game to, end of story….just my 2 cents

  73. Dale Gribble says: Oct 20, 2010 9:05 PM

    Mark Schlereth has no credibility when it comes to making any claims about fair play or what or what shouldn’t be allowed. He was filling in for one of the Mike’s on morning and he talked about doing anything to stop a guy from getting to the quarterback, and cited throwing himself at a guys knees after he’d beaten him. No result of his illegal block, which he was flagged for, was a career ending injury, which Schlereth then admitted he felt no remorse about. The guy is a scumbag and any compassion he feels for ex-players is insincere.

  74. Dale Gribble says: Oct 20, 2010 9:05 PM

    Mark Schlereth has no credibility when it comes to making any claims about fair play or what or what shouldn’t be allowed. He was filling in for one of the Mike’s on morning and he talked about doing anything to stop a guy from getting to the quarterback, and cited throwing himself at a guys knees after he’d beaten him. No result of his illegal block, which he was flagged for, was a career ending injury, which Schlereth then admitted he felt no remorse about. The guy is a scumbag and any compassion he feels for ex-players is insincere.

  75. UpperDeckers says: Oct 20, 2010 9:11 PM

    1000% right Florio.
    You’d think after all the surguries, etc., that Schlereth would be interested in safety. Makes one think that his employer is steering his opinion to match their best interest?
    The point that is lost is that this is a two way street. I thought Dunta Robinson had broke his own neck when watching that hit live. The player delivering the hit isn’t exempt from being paralyzed as well.
    How about defenders concentrate on tackling and ball skills? Not transforming themselves into heat seaking missles that cannot make a play on the ball.

  76. UpperDeckers says: Oct 20, 2010 9:11 PM

    1000% right Florio.
    You’d think after all the surguries, etc., that Schlereth would be interested in safety. Makes one think that his employer is steering his opinion to match their best interest?
    The point that is lost is that this is a two way street. I thought Dunta Robinson had broke his own neck when watching that hit live. The player delivering the hit isn’t exempt from being paralyzed as well.
    How about defenders concentrate on tackling and ball skills? Not transforming themselves into heat seaking missles that cannot make a play on the ball.

  77. slowfame says: Oct 20, 2010 9:16 PM

    Steve Young came on espn and said they should also stop with the montages they show every week of top 10 plays that often show those illegal hits.
    Schelerth is the same guy that defended Cushing saying journalist don’t know what HcG is. Then spent 2 minutes explaining what hcg is.The guy is a shill four nflpa.

  78. slowfame says: Oct 20, 2010 9:16 PM

    Steve Young came on espn and said they should also stop with the montages they show every week of top 10 plays that often show those illegal hits.
    Schelerth is the same guy that defended Cushing saying journalist don’t know what HcG is. Then spent 2 minutes explaining what hcg is.The guy is a shill four nflpa.

  79. yoyo says: Oct 20, 2010 9:26 PM

    I still say that should have been a touchdown for Calvin Johnson.

  80. yoyo says: Oct 20, 2010 9:26 PM

    I still say that should have been a touchdown for Calvin Johnson.

  81. prophet of the light says: Oct 20, 2010 9:32 PM

    Where was this rule when Eric Smith hit Wes Welker in what looked like a punch/elbow to his head???
    Oh that’s right, they fined him a total of $7500. The Meriweather hit looked clean compared to that, but he gets fined $50k.
    I’m not just saying that as a Patriots fan. Clearly Eric Smith’s hit was worse and clearly even if you don’t think so, there is no way one is 7.5k and the other is 50k. This is yet another example of a reactionary NFL that has no clue how to officiate the game it has created.

  82. prophet of the light says: Oct 20, 2010 9:32 PM

    Where was this rule when Eric Smith hit Wes Welker in what looked like a punch/elbow to his head???
    Oh that’s right, they fined him a total of $7500. The Meriweather hit looked clean compared to that, but he gets fined $50k.
    I’m not just saying that as a Patriots fan. Clearly Eric Smith’s hit was worse and clearly even if you don’t think so, there is no way one is 7.5k and the other is 50k. This is yet another example of a reactionary NFL that has no clue how to officiate the game it has created.

  83. Blackn'Gold says: Oct 20, 2010 9:38 PM

    With all do respect Mr. Florio, you didn’t played the game. So your opinion is worthless in comparison. Schlereth touched on some other issues within the NFL, that are certainly dirty laundry. How the new caring NFL treats injured players after the players retire. How, he Schlereth, was denied coverage after 20 surgeries.
    The one thing the NFL cares about is MONEY!
    Dear Owners you just screwed the pooch. So have your lock out. Resolve it whenever. 1 year, 2 years, etc. We won’t be losing sleep. Season tickets?! Don’t make me laugh. I can’t wait for all the fines and suspensions to begin from people that never played the game.
    2010, the year pro-football died.

  84. Blackn'Gold says: Oct 20, 2010 9:38 PM

    With all do respect Mr. Florio, you didn’t played the game. So your opinion is worthless in comparison. Schlereth touched on some other issues within the NFL, that are certainly dirty laundry. How the new caring NFL treats injured players after the players retire. How, he Schlereth, was denied coverage after 20 surgeries.
    The one thing the NFL cares about is MONEY!
    Dear Owners you just screwed the pooch. So have your lock out. Resolve it whenever. 1 year, 2 years, etc. We won’t be losing sleep. Season tickets?! Don’t make me laugh. I can’t wait for all the fines and suspensions to begin from people that never played the game.
    2010, the year pro-football died.

  85. FinFan6886 says: Oct 20, 2010 9:44 PM

    Why blame ESPN for “roughly 12 hours from Monday night until Tuesday morning ESPN left us all under the impression that “devastating hits” would be banned”?
    I usually have NFL Network on in the background and they were saying exactly the same thing on their breaking news segments. Although they altered their “slant” in the taped shows that are repeated ad nauseum, the fact that both networks were saying the exact same thing initially means that it came from an NFL official. The NFL adjusted their message internally but didn’t bother to tell ESPN. Just listen to all the different talking heads that the NFL trotted out on this subject. They were and many still are telling different versions of what they were going to look at more closely. It is just another of many knee jerk reactions to the PC crowd or the few who are “outraged”. It is about money; not safety.

  86. FinFan6886 says: Oct 20, 2010 9:44 PM

    Why blame ESPN for “roughly 12 hours from Monday night until Tuesday morning ESPN left us all under the impression that “devastating hits” would be banned”?
    I usually have NFL Network on in the background and they were saying exactly the same thing on their breaking news segments. Although they altered their “slant” in the taped shows that are repeated ad nauseum, the fact that both networks were saying the exact same thing initially means that it came from an NFL official. The NFL adjusted their message internally but didn’t bother to tell ESPN. Just listen to all the different talking heads that the NFL trotted out on this subject. They were and many still are telling different versions of what they were going to look at more closely. It is just another of many knee jerk reactions to the PC crowd or the few who are “outraged”. It is about money; not safety.

  87. dennis112484 says: Oct 20, 2010 10:04 PM

    espn is a joke. im glad you made that point clear. they take advantage of ignorant, uninformed, casual fans to push a story. case and point: belichick stealing signs.

  88. dennis112484 says: Oct 20, 2010 10:04 PM

    espn is a joke. im glad you made that point clear. they take advantage of ignorant, uninformed, casual fans to push a story. case and point: belichick stealing signs.

  89. TylerRDunn says: Oct 20, 2010 10:36 PM

    James Harrison’s hits were both legal.

  90. TylerRDunn says: Oct 20, 2010 10:36 PM

    James Harrison’s hits were both legal.

  91. BCGreg says: Oct 20, 2010 11:01 PM

    @ Zima-Man
    I didn’t know the World Wildlife Foundation was headquartered in CT! Do you mean the WWE? World Wrestling Entertainment? It’s obvious you don’t watch wrestling yet you feel the need to incorporate it into one of your posts in a negative light. If you knew anything, the WWE while it was still the WWF, was sued by the current WWF (World Wildlife Foundation) over the naming rights to WWF. McMahon “caved”/lost and ran with his “Get the F out” slogan and became the WWE. Pure genius!
    Yes, I watch pro wrestling. Before you snicker, just realize that more people watch Monday Night Raw than Monday Night Football EVERY WEEK. Read that again.
    As far as these hits, complete overreaction by EVERYONE!

  92. BCGreg says: Oct 20, 2010 11:01 PM

    @ Zima-Man
    I didn’t know the World Wildlife Foundation was headquartered in CT! Do you mean the WWE? World Wrestling Entertainment? It’s obvious you don’t watch wrestling yet you feel the need to incorporate it into one of your posts in a negative light. If you knew anything, the WWE while it was still the WWF, was sued by the current WWF (World Wildlife Foundation) over the naming rights to WWF. McMahon “caved”/lost and ran with his “Get the F out” slogan and became the WWE. Pure genius!
    Yes, I watch pro wrestling. Before you snicker, just realize that more people watch Monday Night Raw than Monday Night Football EVERY WEEK. Read that again.
    As far as these hits, complete overreaction by EVERYONE!

  93. Deb says: Oct 20, 2010 11:14 PM

    @Richm2257 …
    You are one very sick person. I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with hatred for a football team. It’s just bizarre.

  94. Deb says: Oct 20, 2010 11:14 PM

    @Richm2257 …
    You are one very sick person. I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with hatred for a football team. It’s just bizarre.

  95. Laxer37 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:02 AM

    It’s such a tired act, every sports journalist and radio talk show that’s not drawing a check from ESPN constantly bangs on them. Then they go home and watch it like the rest of us.
    Blaming ESPN for everything sports related is just plain lazy.

  96. Laxer37 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:02 AM

    It’s such a tired act, every sports journalist and radio talk show that’s not drawing a check from ESPN constantly bangs on them. Then they go home and watch it like the rest of us.
    Blaming ESPN for everything sports related is just plain lazy.

  97. dundee15748 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:08 AM

    …and the NFL was selling pictures on their website of the Harrison hit because…?

  98. dundee15748 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:08 AM

    …and the NFL was selling pictures on their website of the Harrison hit because…?

  99. tazman1996 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:16 AM

    The real question to ba asked here is: When is the next time you’ll see Massaquoi or Cribbs go across the middle?

  100. tazman1996 says: Oct 21, 2010 12:16 AM

    The real question to ba asked here is: When is the next time you’ll see Massaquoi or Cribbs go across the middle?

  101. RAIDERS_4_LIFE says: Oct 21, 2010 12:40 AM

    Don’t tell me that the NFL is worried about safety…
    Isn’t this the same league that is trying to extend the regular season an additional two games? You want to talk about life-long problems….let these guys get their heads bashed in, play on bad knees, take more cortizone shots, and play with hidden concussions for an EXTRA 120 minutes a season. Sounds like a great idea NFL.
    MONEY
    MONEY
    MONEY

  102. RAIDERS_4_LIFE says: Oct 21, 2010 12:40 AM

    Don’t tell me that the NFL is worried about safety…
    Isn’t this the same league that is trying to extend the regular season an additional two games? You want to talk about life-long problems….let these guys get their heads bashed in, play on bad knees, take more cortizone shots, and play with hidden concussions for an EXTRA 120 minutes a season. Sounds like a great idea NFL.
    MONEY
    MONEY
    MONEY

  103. Dawgtwn says: Oct 21, 2010 12:41 AM

    The hit on Massaquoi, I don’t have a problem with, for Massaquoi changed his pad level when Harrison came to make the tackle. The hit he made on Cribbs was clearly intentional as that his intentions were to blow him up with the use of his helmet because his arms were behind his waste as if he was to launch himself instead of out in front of him in an atempt to make the tackle.

  104. Dawgtwn says: Oct 21, 2010 12:41 AM

    The hit on Massaquoi, I don’t have a problem with, for Massaquoi changed his pad level when Harrison came to make the tackle. The hit he made on Cribbs was clearly intentional as that his intentions were to blow him up with the use of his helmet because his arms were behind his waste as if he was to launch himself instead of out in front of him in an atempt to make the tackle.

  105. Wrath Mania says: Oct 21, 2010 12:44 AM

    ESPN usually sucks, but they’ve been dead-on in pointing out the problems with this hit obsession. And Florio, it’s pretty bush of you to be posting why you think Schlereth sucks before you go on the air with him. Trying to get people to side with you before you even speak with the guy. Coward. Lawyer.

  106. Wrath Mania says: Oct 21, 2010 12:44 AM

    ESPN usually sucks, but they’ve been dead-on in pointing out the problems with this hit obsession. And Florio, it’s pretty bush of you to be posting why you think Schlereth sucks before you go on the air with him. Trying to get people to side with you before you even speak with the guy. Coward. Lawyer.

  107. jayy says: Oct 21, 2010 12:44 AM

    oh nowww i get it. the nfl is to cheap (owners) to give retired vets more money who deserve it bec they didnt play for millions.. so they fine players unfairly to pay off retired vets.. got it! another loss for nfl lol

  108. jayy says: Oct 21, 2010 12:44 AM

    oh nowww i get it. the nfl is to cheap (owners) to give retired vets more money who deserve it bec they didnt play for millions.. so they fine players unfairly to pay off retired vets.. got it! another loss for nfl lol

  109. HereThere says: Oct 21, 2010 12:55 AM

    Florio, great job. You took those guys to school.

  110. HereThere says: Oct 21, 2010 12:55 AM

    Florio, great job. You took those guys to school.

  111. monet99 says: Oct 21, 2010 1:13 AM

    Schlerth is a complete idiot. Nobody cares what he thinks

  112. monet99 says: Oct 21, 2010 1:13 AM

    Schlerth is a complete idiot. Nobody cares what he thinks

  113. FMWarner says: Oct 21, 2010 2:38 AM

    It’s scary how many people think that playing in the NFL automatically makes your opinion worth more than someone who didn’t. Is an Army private’s opinion on military tactics more valuable than that of a military historian? Hell no. Just because you played the game doesn’t mean you’re the best choice to broadcast it, run it, or administrate punishment in it.

  114. FMWarner says: Oct 21, 2010 2:38 AM

    It’s scary how many people think that playing in the NFL automatically makes your opinion worth more than someone who didn’t. Is an Army private’s opinion on military tactics more valuable than that of a military historian? Hell no. Just because you played the game doesn’t mean you’re the best choice to broadcast it, run it, or administrate punishment in it.

  115. kombayn says: Oct 21, 2010 3:31 AM

    What the NFL needs to do is eject players out of the game when they are trying to intentionally injure a player. The helmet to helmet hit by Harrison was not intended to injure a player.
    But when he hit that receiver in the head with his massive forearms and helmet that was intentional and extremely dangerous, he should have been thrown out of the game for that. Harrison is a dirty player who has made it clear he’s trying to head-hunt.
    While I think game suspensions will get the ears of the players, in-game ejections will get to them loud and clear. The NFL needs to do that. Player safety is always important and with the medical world putting a magnifying glass on the concussions that the NFL needs to clean it up before Congress gets involved and they’ve shown before that they will in sports situations, hell they even said they get involved in the labor dispute.

  116. kombayn says: Oct 21, 2010 3:31 AM

    What the NFL needs to do is eject players out of the game when they are trying to intentionally injure a player. The helmet to helmet hit by Harrison was not intended to injure a player.
    But when he hit that receiver in the head with his massive forearms and helmet that was intentional and extremely dangerous, he should have been thrown out of the game for that. Harrison is a dirty player who has made it clear he’s trying to head-hunt.
    While I think game suspensions will get the ears of the players, in-game ejections will get to them loud and clear. The NFL needs to do that. Player safety is always important and with the medical world putting a magnifying glass on the concussions that the NFL needs to clean it up before Congress gets involved and they’ve shown before that they will in sports situations, hell they even said they get involved in the labor dispute.

  117. Steelintn says: Oct 21, 2010 5:48 AM

    “…ESPN left us all under the impression that “devastating hits” would be banned. As it turns out, ESPN was wrong to push that message — but ESPN has never clarified nor apologized for creating that false impression. ”
    ———————————————–
    Hello pot, this is kettle. You’re black.
    You’re gonna rip somebody about getting information wrong? I thought that’s what PFT was all about.

  118. Steelintn says: Oct 21, 2010 5:48 AM

    “…ESPN left us all under the impression that “devastating hits” would be banned. As it turns out, ESPN was wrong to push that message — but ESPN has never clarified nor apologized for creating that false impression. ”
    ———————————————–
    Hello pot, this is kettle. You’re black.
    You’re gonna rip somebody about getting information wrong? I thought that’s what PFT was all about.

  119. ham1 says: Oct 21, 2010 6:00 AM

    What a joke: You setting stink straight. That would last all of 2 seconds while he either laughed himself into convulsions or threw you head first into a trash can.
    You have big mouth for a twirp. Why passive agressively lead with a comment like that? What did you expect?

  120. ham1 says: Oct 21, 2010 6:00 AM

    What a joke: You setting stink straight. That would last all of 2 seconds while he either laughed himself into convulsions or threw you head first into a trash can.
    You have big mouth for a twirp. Why passive agressively lead with a comment like that? What did you expect?

  121. sportsbruh3 says: Oct 21, 2010 6:21 AM

    Mark is a complete Dope!
    I REFUSE to listen to anything he says. I mute ESPN when he speaks…along with Skip Bayless and a few others.
    ESPN is often WRONG and their analysts are the WORST in the business.

  122. sportsbruh3 says: Oct 21, 2010 6:21 AM

    Mark is a complete Dope!
    I REFUSE to listen to anything he says. I mute ESPN when he speaks…along with Skip Bayless and a few others.
    ESPN is often WRONG and their analysts are the WORST in the business.

  123. dscjmc says: Oct 21, 2010 6:56 AM

    I have to side with Florio on this. Schlereth seems to be more full of himself the longer that stooge is on the air.

  124. dscjmc says: Oct 21, 2010 6:56 AM

    I have to side with Florio on this. Schlereth seems to be more full of himself the longer that stooge is on the air.

  125. JoeBrowns027 says: Oct 21, 2010 7:25 AM

    @kombayn says: October 21, 2010 3:31 AM
    What the NFL needs to do is eject players out of the game when they are trying to intentionally injure a player. The helmet to helmet hit by Harrison was not intended to injure a player.
    Did you not see the quotes from Harrison himself? He said his intent is to hurt players and knock them out of the game. Now the big baby wants to retire b/c he knows he is a marked man and will be injured…no later than Jan. 2nd

  126. JoeBrowns027 says: Oct 21, 2010 7:25 AM

    @kombayn says: October 21, 2010 3:31 AM
    What the NFL needs to do is eject players out of the game when they are trying to intentionally injure a player. The helmet to helmet hit by Harrison was not intended to injure a player.
    Did you not see the quotes from Harrison himself? He said his intent is to hurt players and knock them out of the game. Now the big baby wants to retire b/c he knows he is a marked man and will be injured…no later than Jan. 2nd

  127. Zima-Man says: Oct 21, 2010 8:50 AM

    BCGreg says:
    October 20, 2010 11:01 PM
    hey pal – i never said a bad thing about the WWF/WWE or wrestling. as a matter of fact I have great admiration for Vince McMahon – a really smart and savvy businessman. don’t get your shorts in an uproar – Vince never said his product was news
    ESPN spins their info like news but it is really sports enterntainment network – like WWE
    no hard feelings and I offer you a quote from one of my personal heros ”the body knows – the body tells it like it is” Jesse “the body” Ventura, ex Navy Seal, ex Governor and regular no bullshit guy like me

  128. Zima-Man says: Oct 21, 2010 8:50 AM

    BCGreg says:
    October 20, 2010 11:01 PM
    hey pal – i never said a bad thing about the WWF/WWE or wrestling. as a matter of fact I have great admiration for Vince McMahon – a really smart and savvy businessman. don’t get your shorts in an uproar – Vince never said his product was news
    ESPN spins their info like news but it is really sports enterntainment network – like WWE
    no hard feelings and I offer you a quote from one of my personal heros ”the body knows – the body tells it like it is” Jesse “the body” Ventura, ex Navy Seal, ex Governor and regular no bullshit guy like me

  129. ispysomething7 says: Oct 22, 2010 9:57 PM

    Flo–
    ESPN any remaining crediability they had when they aired “The Decision.”

  130. ispysomething7 says: Oct 22, 2010 9:57 PM

    Flo–
    ESPN any remaining crediability they had when they aired “The Decision.”

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