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McDaniels apologizes while the rest of Denver goes insane

Broncos Josh McDaniels knew this wasn’t just any other loss.  After Denver’s 59-14 beatdown to Oakland, the coach tried to make sense of the seemingly season-shattering moment.

“I apologize to [owner] Pat [Bowlen], the organization, the fans, everybody else. That was awful,” McDaniels said.

This was the type of game that turns a normally loyal fanbase against a coach.  In a poll Monday morning on the Denver Post’s website, 83% of voters says the team has already quit on the season and won’t even “keep trying.”

We’d expect the fans to be so emotional, but they aren’t the only ones taking the loss hard.

Mark Kislza of the Denver Post writes that Kyle Orton “is done” in Denver and Orton just doesn’t know it.  Kislza wonders when the Tim Tebow era will start.

“Orton can never again inspire real hope in this town,” he writes. Later: “If Tebow can’t play, then McDaniels is done in Denver.”
Insinuating Orton is the problem in Denver is like saying the sports section is responsible for the decline of newspapers.  You want to kill the one part of the team that produces?  The same writers that are despondent about the Broncos Monday (with reason, of course) thought they had a chance to win the AFC West before Sunday’s game. 

Another headline in the Post: “Josh losing fans; is he losing team too?” Inside the article: “Nothing about the team [McDaniels] coaches bears any resemblance to the things he talks about.”

(The reaction reminds us a lot of the response Tennessee’s 59-0 loss in New England inspired last year.)

It’s safe to say the honeymoon is over for McDaniels in Denver. The lucky part here is his schedule and an owner known for patience.  The Broncos go to London to face the 49ers, a team in bigger disarray than them.  Then they get a bye week to regroup.

McDaniels needs to show his coaching chops the next nine weeks, but it wouldn’t take that long to turn around those poll results and the writers’ opinions.

All Denver needs is to win two straight games.  If that happens, everyone will shower McDaniels with praise, saying the team didn’t give up when times were darkest.  They’ll realize they overreacted.  If they go 1-1, then McDaniels will be the same jerk they thought he was all along. 

If they go 0-2, they will burn him at the stake.

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  1. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Oct 25, 2010 10:40 AM

    “Mark Kislza of the Denver Post writes that Kyle Orton “is done” in Denver and Orton just doesn’t know it. ”
    That’s kind of funny, I wasn’t aware that it was Orton who gave up the 59 points. Orton didn’t play great on Sunday, but it’s been their passing game that’s carried the team all year. I’m not an Orton fan, but he’s about the last place I’d look to place blame for this debacle.

  2. r8rsfan says: Oct 25, 2010 10:44 AM

    The bandwagon in Donkville has come off the tracks. Where are all the donk fans now – retreated to Brokeback Mountain where they can console each other the only way they know how? Face it people – you’re all living in Raider Nation and Al Davis is the President. So let it be written, so let it be done.

  3. jecates says: Oct 25, 2010 10:46 AM

    Absolutely agree with the last full paragraph. As a Titans fan, I can honestly say there were a lot of fans that were upset, but I don’t remember any actual fans that I know (which are a lot, after living in Nashville for 10 years) were vitriolic toward the team or Fisher. There was more media hate than fan hate. We were disappointed, angry because it shouldn’t have happened, but never thought the season was lost. We were almost right, too. There were two things that fans were screaming that Fisher should do; get Vince Young in the starting lineup (not that we were sure he was better, but he was a change, and that’s what we felt was needed), and quit telling us the return game is doing just fine, because it wasn’t. Both of these issues were addressed following the bye week after the loss to NE. Titans fans actually finished the season excited about the next season, because of the 8-2 finish to 2009 (losing only to the Colts and Chargers, two very good teams). Broncos can do the same thing, and my money says that they will turn it around, and probably win the division.

  4. Xpensive Wino says: Oct 25, 2010 10:47 AM

    I don’t care how rich, successful and/or powerful these team owners are in the business world. They’re still just big fans (with enough money to buy real fantasy teams). A guy like Bowlen gets all geeked up when a hot-shot coordinator like McDaniels becomes the flavor of the month. We don’t need to get in to the 50 million reasons why New England and it’s players made him and not the other way around……. I would always rather be lucky than good.
    Wasn’t that long ago that Jason Garrett was also the greatest potential coach in the history of history and now he couldn’t get hired as dog catcher in Dallas after he gets fired.
    Jsut because you played the game well (like Singletary) or even did one aspect of the game well (like be a good offensive coordinator) doesn’t mean you have the “IT” factor to be a good head coach.
    Doesn’t seem like team owners and their lousy general managers are ever going to figure that out……………..especially if they have personnel power as well.
    McDaniels has destroyed the Broncos talent base.

  5. kravon says: Oct 25, 2010 10:49 AM

    I think the league needs to look into this game.
    Is it beyond unreasonable to think the Denver players tanked on purpose given the pending labor issues and having to play in London this week?
    Kravon
    PFT Warrior

  6. RaiderClay says: Oct 25, 2010 10:49 AM

    Why didn’t Tebow get thrown in during the 4th quarter – that seems strange…
    I wonder if the broncos would have been any better with Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Tony Sheffler, Peyton Hillis, and Mike Nolan still running the defense?

  7. Flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: Oct 25, 2010 10:51 AM

    Blame ownership. Mcdaniels is far to young and inexperienced to be a head coach. If you watch him on the sideline he seems to have a Napoleon complex. If I was a veteran player i’d have a hard time taking him seriously.

  8. tatum32 says: Oct 25, 2010 10:52 AM

    Dude rebounds. Stop hitting the panic button…weve gone way beyond that at Raider Nation…you havent arrived that – but you arent that bad. Lose next week in London, then go off…and what the f$%k is Tebow going to do? I mean , you dont pull that until week 13 when you know your out of it and you preview him to see whats up. McDaniels had the no. 3 passing offense….now Nolan leaving as DC mightve been the mistake…and losing Dumervil for the season.
    Im elated my Raiders won, but we know were definitely a work-in-progress.

  9. MH767 says: Oct 25, 2010 10:53 AM

    @ DC_Bengals_Fan: took the words right out of my mouth. He’s the first thing I would look to as a bright spot on that team. Not a fan of him myself though.
    Wow, 59 points. That would make a high-school team look bad.

  10. Lord Harry Latts says: Oct 25, 2010 10:56 AM

    what nonsense !!! what the hell is tebow gonna do that Orton can’t ??? he certainly isn’t the throwing QB Orton is….and the running nonsense obviously won’t work in the pros…so what’s left ??? fact is…tebow was a waste…it’s the defenses problem…not Orton’s….and Mcdaniels is getting fired about four seconds after the season ends.

  11. r8rsfan says: Oct 25, 2010 10:58 AM

    DC_Bengals_Fan writes:
    “I’m not an Orton fan, but he’s about the last place I’d look to place blame for this debacle.”
    That sir would explain the basic difference between the average person and the typical donkfan. Unless your name is Elway you are going to be blamed for everything. Simpletons in donkville aren’t exactly known for their intelligence or depth of football expertise.

  12. Black QB White RB says: Oct 25, 2010 10:59 AM

    The media (including PFT.com) love to blow up a story out of all proportion……………
    Yes, there could be trouble, but it isn’t as if they broncos will go 0-9 the rest of the way and everyone’s getting fired this afternoon……..
    But, like Deion said last night, “if you have the cologne called winning, it hides all the aroma of stink in the orgamization.”If you ain’t got the cologne, you stink.
    Sounds like McDaniel’s cologne is wearing off

  13. andyprough says: Oct 25, 2010 11:00 AM

    Gregg – this was about giving up the most points ever at home, to the RAIDERS. Those fans in Denver live to see one thing each year – a beat down of the Raiders at home. Their bad blood goes back more than 4 decades – some of the worst hatred between two teams and cities in the league.

  14. Chris says: Oct 25, 2010 11:01 AM

    The total nonsensical decision a few years ago to fire a great coach, and a proven winner, Mike Shanahan for a non-experienced, yet strangely arrogant, assistant coach like McDaniel is further proven to be crazy with the Redskins’ 4 wins thus far already with essentially the same roster as last year’s terrible 4 win season TOTAL! The Redskins are heading in the right direction, and our beloved team, as evidenced by that completely embarrassing home destruction at the hands of our hated rival, is clearly going in the opposite direction. This experiment to give our finely tuned machine to a non-proven, yet know it all coach, is way past over if you ask me.

  15. BroncosFan says: Oct 25, 2010 11:01 AM

    Couldn’t agree more on Orton being the furthest thing from the Broncos’ biggest problem. The biggest problem is 1) injuries, 2) a coach who insists on abandoning the Gibbs-style rushing attack that worked for so many years under Shanahan in favor of a power-blocking attack, but who whiffed massively on Moreno so that the team has no one to lead that kind of attack, 3) a coach who thinks it’s a good idea to waste first-round draft picks on five-year QB projects.
    Hopefully Bowlen isn’t that patient. He certainly wasn’t with Wade Phillips, despite two seasons Wade put together that will be better than this one. And he was only patient with Reeves and Shanahan because they had produced. Still, for reasons that can only be speculated on, he does seem to have committed to McDaniels. But if 5-11 will get McDaniels out of there and give us a shot at Cowher, or even John Fox, I guess I’ll take it.

  16. allinSTACKme says: Oct 25, 2010 11:02 AM

    r8rsfan says:
    October 25, 2010 10:44 AM
    The bandwagon in Donkville has come off the tracks. Where are all the donk fans now – retreated to Brokeback Mountain where they can console each other the only way they know how? Face it people – you’re all living in Raider Nation and Al Davis is the President. So let it be written, so let it be done.
    ————————————————–
    One game’s perfect game plan being executed perfectly does not erase the last 8 years of sh*t that Al Davis has put on the field you stupid pile of steaming sh*t. Don’t worry though, the rest of the season will show that. That being said, all the credit in the world to the Raiders for their performance yesterday.

  17. habibfromnewdehli says: Oct 25, 2010 11:03 AM

    This is what Denver gets for talking a bunch of nonsense about the Ravens before their game in Baltimore. Now, the Ravens definitely are/were overrated by many. BUT, how can DENVER of all teams talk any smack about the Ravens when the Broncos were being annointed because they happened to be leading the AFC WEST? Seriously?
    My prediction before the season started was that Oakland would win that division, and it looks like the Raiders might finally be on track after a rough start.
    Bottom line… Broncos were 6-0 last year, then came to Baltimore and the Ravens pretty much smashed their entire season handing the Broncos a 30-7 loss. The Broncos never recovered.
    So this year, Broncos happen to start out fast… and feel they’ve earned the right to trash talk the team who ruined them a season ago? Guess what… they’re on a 3 game losing streak now. It started in Baltimore.
    Looks like the Ravens just killed the Broncos season again!

  18. broncoMaineiac says: Oct 25, 2010 11:03 AM

    This isn’t the Clinton administration. You just can’t apologize away the stank of terrible coaching (STILL RUNNING PLAY ACTION???) and weak leadership.
    I hope we lose out to cleanse ourselves of McD. It has gone badly since the day he walked in the building.
    START OVER, BOWLEN.

  19. The Breeze says: Oct 25, 2010 11:03 AM

    Mark Kiszla’s job is to create readership through controversy. I wouldn’t get overly excited about his article – it’s merely food for thought, and not very good food at that.
    As for the Broncos, keep in mind the injuries to key players ~ All of their starting safeties along with Ayers, Goodman and Dumerville were out. Still, any time a team scores 59 against another team is cause for real concern. I’ll be happy if the Broncos manage to end this season on a positive note, i.e. going 6-3 or even 7-2. Admittedly that doesn’t look likely right now, but we’ll see…

  20. ercin13 says: Oct 25, 2010 11:04 AM

    these games happen , the raiders were long overdue for that beating they handed the broncos. yeah the team quit in the 1st half of the game but most teams wouldve done the same thing. the west is weak so any team can still win that division.

  21. Mike Daly says: Oct 25, 2010 11:09 AM

    The Broncos have now lost 13 of their last 17 games and nothing McDaniels has done has made them better. The team quit on him the last half of 2009 the way they regularly quit on Shanahan the last halves of his last ten seasons in Denver. Orton was a sub-mediocre quarterback when he was signed by Denver and he’s overachieved there; it’s now coming back to his level of talent and this is where he will fail again.
    The Broncos won’t win against the Niners in London.

  22. JKD says: Oct 25, 2010 11:14 AM

    “‘Orton can never again inspire real hope in this town,’ he writes. Later: ‘If Tebow can’t play, then McDaniels is done in Denver.’
    Insinuating Orton is the problem in Denver is like saying the sports section is responsible for the decline of newspapers. You want to kill the one part of the team that produces? The same writers that are despondent about the Broncos Monday (with reason, of course) thought they had a chance to win the AFC West before Sunday’s game.”
    The entire city is still living in the John Elway era. Once a QB hits a rough patch there (see Griese, Plummer, Cutler) the entire city sells that QB out and wants the next man up, then they turn on that next man.

  23. Bob Sugar says: Oct 25, 2010 11:17 AM

    r8rsfan – enjoy your moment in the sun, a big win should have you feeling good but lets not get nuts. Your team is hardly a well oiled machine. The Raider “Nation” is limited to the few that are still alive from the John Madden era. Your team hasn’t been relevant since your team decided a Tijuana donkey show and an 8 ball was a better use of time than preparing for the Super Bowl.
    Great game by McFadden but lets see an injury free season before we put him in the hall of fame.

  24. Richm2257 says: Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM

    Wait a minute …… isn’t this the same team that was the “Elite” of the NFL at 6-0 last season, and Josh McDaniel’s was the pupil who was out-shining the “Master”???
    Add one more name to the list of hotshots who thought that New England’s success was because of THEM, not the other way around;
    Mangini, Crennel, Weiss, etc.
    I’ll allow Bill Belichick a bit of a smirk today.

  25. Ray Guy says: Oct 25, 2010 11:24 AM

    One blow out like that and the fans are fed up? Try 8 years of that crap happening to us. It is painful to try and get used to things like that.
    I know this much. That was NOT the Denver team we usually face. So you suffered a smack down. It happens. (believe me, we know).
    Denver will be back and soon. For now we’ll take the win, but that’s all it was: One Win.
    Do we despise Denver: yes. Do we respect them: yes.
    Only a fool would take more from that game.

  26. konaehukai says: Oct 25, 2010 11:27 AM

    Sorry Rosenthall, there was never a honeymoon here in Denver. Maybe with the uneducated fans, but from day one the real fans knew this wasn’t going to be a good move, and it hasn’t been. The Broncos needed to cut ties with McDaniels last season. If they don’t fire him this season, the Broncos are on the road the being right there battling for the number one pick every year.

  27. 1nationraidernation says: Oct 25, 2010 11:28 AM

    gotta admit as a raider fan, the best things for us was the broncos getting rid of rabbit teeeth, and bringing in the young kid as head coach. He got rid of everybody that was good.
    as far as yeasterday, raiders seems to beat the bronco’s in Deenver (really it’s been 4 years in a row if you count seabass kick that was good) , and bronco’s tend to beat the raiders in oakland. Hopefully for the raiders sake we can take care of the home field this year starting with back to back wins against the seahawks and the chiefs.
    That win was an ugly loss for the broncos…no other words to describe it…my suggestion is they just take that turd and flush it down the toilet and forget about it.

  28. BAtkins63 says: Oct 25, 2010 11:30 AM

    This is what you get when you live your life through a sports team that doesn’t know you’re alive. It is entertainment, nothing else. If you are not being entertained, go somewhere else. It is that easy.

  29. SeaOtter says: Oct 25, 2010 11:33 AM

    There’s a great story out of NHL (yeah, I know, hockey, but bear with me) that illustrates what smart teams do with coaching hires. When current Wings coach Mike Babcock was a young coach in the minors, he ended up having a chat with Red Wings GM Ken Holland. Babcock, being very ambitious, told Holland his goal was to get his first NHL head coaching job soon, hinting broadly that he wanted the Red Wings job. “Well, your first job won’t be with us,” said Holland. “We don’t do on the job training.” Sure enough, Babcock got his first job in Anaheim, and did well enough that he got his dream gig in Detroit in due course.
    Moral of the story – let the young hotshot get his head coaching spurs somewhere else, THEN hire him once he has some experience under his belt.

  30. allinSTACKme says: Oct 25, 2010 11:46 AM

    Ray Guy says:
    October 25, 2010 11:24 AM
    One blow out like that and the fans are fed up? Try 8 years of that crap happening to us. It is painful to try and get used to things like that.
    I know this much. That was NOT the Denver team we usually face. So you suffered a smack down. It happens. (believe me, we know).
    Denver will be back and soon. For now we’ll take the win, but that’s all it was: One Win.
    Do we despise Denver: yes. Do we respect them: yes.
    Only a fool would take more from that game.
    ————————————————–
    Very smart, respectful, and classy comment. Very refreshing

  31. roadwash says: Oct 25, 2010 11:50 AM

    Injuries?…OK, yeah we have had a few. Tough luck. Get over it it’s the NFL. My problem doesn’t lie with who Joshy got rid of I never liked Cutler (see 4 picks again yesterday), he is another Jeff George. Marshall 1 TD?….the problem is who he has brought in to replace them….NOBODY! His draft picks are completely irrelavant and no factor. That D is horrendous and Knowshow is an average NFL back at best, hardly worth a first round IMPACT draft position. ( my head about exploded when they drafted him) Watching highlights these days are reduced to continually saying to myself and buddies “Yep the Broncs could have had him, or him, or him…..instead we have NOTHING! Hillis would have been every bit as good a Moreno and we could have drafted some impact players on D…..wait, that would require Josh to swallow his pride and admit that talent actually exist outside the planet he lives on.
    I have been pretty hesitant to bash on Josh, however….59 …to of all teams, the Raiders, it hurts! He is in as far over his head as Obama is!

  32. BCfromHell says: Oct 25, 2010 12:09 PM

    Right now…, I think Orton is the only valuable part of that team. He’s the glue that’s keeping the whole team from unraveling and the only consistently successful player.
    I think there are quite a few teams that would gladly take Kyle Orton off Denver’s hands…, and I’m sure Orton will have greater success wherever he goes next (Buffalo?)

  33. 8man says: Oct 25, 2010 12:12 PM

    When I saw the final score, I was reminded of a certain horse faced tight end that made a telephone call to the POTUS….
    “Mr. President, call in the National Guard! We need as many men as you can spare! Because we are killing the Patriots! We’ll call the dogs off! Send the National Guard please!”
    How’d that taste, Denver?

  34. RacerX1225 says: Oct 25, 2010 12:21 PM

    kravon says:
    October 25, 2010 10:49 AM
    I think the league needs to look into this game.
    Is it beyond unreasonable to think the Denver players tanked on purpose given the pending labor issues and having to play in London this week?
    Kravon
    PFT Warrior
    _________________________________
    You should change your name from “Kravon” to “Moron” :)

  35. oh the usual says: Oct 25, 2010 12:23 PM

    Yeah, I am really excited about this win…but I’m with Ray Guy. That is brutal for Broncos fans, and I know your pain all too well. Great win for Oakland, which would be moot without a victory against Seattle. Denver is struggling, but letting one loss dictate your sanity and the rest of the season is a little much–just like getting too over the top and cocky for Raiders fans. But I love that game yesterday, and would love to see that more consistently from Oakland.

  36. tian says: Oct 25, 2010 12:30 PM

    My reaction is the same now as it was when I first heard of the score:
    What… HAPPENED?
    I’m still trying to figure out how they lost to the Raiders by that wide a margin. I mean, I didn’t think I would see blowouts like this in the NFL.

  37. joetoronto says: Oct 25, 2010 12:38 PM

    andyprough says: October 25, 2010 11:00 AM
    Gregg – this was about giving up the most points ever at home, to the RAIDERS. Those fans in Denver live to see one thing each year – a beat down of the Raiders at home. Their bad blood goes back more than 4 decades – some of the worst hatred between two teams and cities in the league.
    *********************************************************
    If they “live to see one thing each year – a beat down of the Raiders at home”, then they should be dead by now.
    That’s 3 in a row in Denver, with the first 2 under JaMarcus.
    That’s gotta hurt.

  38. OrangeCrush1983 says: Oct 25, 2010 12:40 PM

    I think we’ve given McDaniels enough time to bring this team together and its just not happening. He tries so hard to be Belichick when he can never achieve that. Tebow was a waste of a pick. Thomas is coming around so I commend him for that. But i think its time to get someone in there as head coach with a little bit more experience and player management.

  39. gweetarman2 says: Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM

    I think the league needs to look into this game.
    Is it beyond unreasonable to think the Denver players tanked on purpose given the pending labor issues and having to play in London this week?
    Kravon
    PFT Warrior
    This might be the dumbest comment I have ever read in the history of humanity. You, Kravon, are a fool.

  40. JoeSchmoe says: Oct 25, 2010 12:52 PM

    Orton was not the problem here and Kizsla is a hack journalist. He writes outlandish sh*t about every sports team, inciting more than he should (Broncos and Nuggets in particular)
    McDbag may be done here, but it’s not because of Orton. The team flat out wasn’t ready to play and that’s on the coach. Errors were made all over the place, and it wasn’t just Orton who should shoulder the blame.
    -Denver citizen who could care less about the Donkey’s, just calling it as he sees it.

  41. willtdavis2 says: Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM

    Say what you want about Shanahan, but what is going on with the Broncos right now makes his legend in Denver even bigger.
    Why does Orton get this special treatment from some fans saying he is not the problem. But Jay Cutler was the problem 2 years ago even though the D was horrible and the O was number 2 in the NFL. Face it! Orton is a loser. 4-13 in the last 17 games is nothing to be proud of.
    As a Broncos fan that was the most embarrassing loss I have ever seen. I know the Chargers whooped us 2 seasons ago to win the division and Mike Shanahan was fired! That was a bad loss, but it wasn’t at home, it wasn’t against a 2-4 team, it wasn’t against Jason Campbell and it sure wasn’t against the Biggest rival in the history of the state of Colorado.
    Like I said when McDaniels traded away Cutler, he is going to have to earn this fan base, this has nothing to do with being a fairweather fan, I love the Broncos, do I have to cheer for the guy who is tearing them down? Heck No. He has to earn the right to be my coach and he took 10 steps back yesterday.

  42. realitypolice says: Oct 25, 2010 1:04 PM

    kravon says:
    October 25, 2010 10:49 AM
    I think the league needs to look into this game.
    Is it beyond unreasonable to think the Denver players tanked on purpose given the pending labor issues and having to play in London this week?
    Kravon
    PFT Warrior
    =======================
    Yes, Kravon PFT Warrior, it is indeed beyond unreasonable.

  43. CKL says: Oct 25, 2010 1:15 PM

    # Richm2257 says: October 25, 2010 11:20 AM
    Wait a minute …… isn’t this the same team that was the “Elite” of the NFL at 6-0 last season, and Josh McDaniel’s was the pupil who was out-shining the “Master”???
    Add one more name to the list of hotshots who thought that New England’s success was because of THEM, not the other way around;
    Mangini, Crennel, Weiss, etc.
    I’ll allow Bill Belichick a bit of a smirk today.
    ________________________________
    I’m pretty sure you are a Pats fan like I am. To say that Weis and Crennel (Pioli too)aren’t a MAJOR part of why the Chiefs are a very competitive team this year is silly. RAC’s defense tops the Pats’ so far this year. RAC is clearly the guy who knew how to defend Manning too…he just didn’t have the offensive performance in Cle or KC to put them over the hump for the win. The Pats have beaten the Colts ONCE since RAC left.
    Mangini’s three coordinators (O, D and ST) were a huge reason the Browns won yesterday too. ALL of them worked for BB. I HATE what EM did to BB and the Pats but Cleveland plays hard and has been in every game this year.
    That said Weis>McDaniels as an OC, IMO. I hate that pass happy spread BS (I think it makes your team less tough), and hated it when he was in NE too. I’m not sure Josh was ready to be a HC yet.
    Having success in a lesser position and wanting a promotion you won’t get in your current job (anybody think Weis, Crennel, Mangini, McDaniels were gonna get a shot to be the Pats HC anytime soon???)doesn’t mean you think you were THE reason your team won. It COULD mean that but it doesn’t necessarily. It could just mean you think you are ready for the next challenge and have to move on to get it. I think that’s a pretty normal human thought if you are ambitious.

  44. BroncosFan says: Oct 25, 2010 1:27 PM

    willtdavis2 says: October 25, 2010 12:55 PM
    Say what you want about Shanahan, but what is going on with the Broncos right now makes his legend in Denver even bigger.
    Why does Orton get this special treatment from some fans saying he is not the problem. But Jay Cutler was the problem 2 years ago even though the D was horrible and the O was number 2 in the NFL. Face it! Orton is a loser. 4-13 in the last 17 games is nothing to be proud of.
    ____________________________________
    My impression with the Cutler saga was that, at least initially, fans were well aware that he wasn’t the problem, and were just hoping for someone to come in and clean house on D while keeping the O as is (which, ironically, McDaniels could have accomplished last year, as his D improvements, or at least Nolan’s, were quite solid). It wasn’t until Cutler got overly miffed at the admittedly boneheaded play for Cassel that some fans, and certainly the organization, turned on him.
    As for Orton, we figured we were getting a game manager when he showed up, and, while that’s what he was last year, he’s blossomed into a legit starting-caliber, albeit imperfect QB.

  45. cobrala2 says: Oct 25, 2010 1:28 PM

    Pooping on Singletary while giving Josh “The Kid” McDaniels is showing a lot of nerve, PFT.
    One of them has an obvious system that necessitates time to bear fruit. The other has crazy decision after crazy decision under his belt to discredit his intellect and/or character.
    Some of you will claim those claims are interchangeable per coach but reality and fact would disagree.

  46. dlmcc0909 says: Oct 25, 2010 1:38 PM

    Its pure stupidity to blame that loss on Orton. Coming into that game, he had led the league in passing yardage i believe. He has definitely played well this year which is all the more impressive with no running game and a bunch of scrub WR’s.
    the defense has been terrible, and that was expected going into the season. Most of the moves they made to improve the defense were terrible. Their one good player on that side was lost before the season even started.
    There is enver an excuse to lose to a lousy team like Oakland at home by that kind of margain. But I dont blame Orton. He has been the one bright spot

  47. Bob says: Oct 25, 2010 1:39 PM

    Typical local sportswriter-rooting-for-the-home-team overreaction to one game. That column was written with the tone of a fan who was ticked off that his team’s arch-rival put up 59.

  48. Joemamma says: Oct 25, 2010 1:48 PM

    more people should send e-mail to that moron in Denver. Its idiots like that who stir up bad material to make stories, kind of like Florio

  49. David says: Oct 25, 2010 1:51 PM

    A 59-14 loss to anybody, especially the Oakland Raiders at home, is ridiculous. But let’s face the facts. The Broncos are one of the least talented teams in the league. Knowshon sucks, their best player Elvis Dumervil is out for the year, Brandon Marshall & Jay Cutler are out of town, etc. Of course Champ is still there, but one standout corner doesn’t make a team good. Ask the Raiders during Nnamdi’s whole career.
    What’s their identity? Who’s their best player? McDaniels was smart enough to install a pass happy offense, in what has become a passing league. Kyle Orton is decent, the receivers are decent. Can you name three players on their sdefense? I think in general, Josh McDaniels is a great coach, today not withstanding. The fact this team started out 6-0 last year is a miracle.
    McDaniela isn’t the problem, talent leve is.

  50. monet99 says: Oct 25, 2010 1:53 PM

    McDaniels was a joke has a hire. He was offensive coordinator of a team a 5 year old could have had success with.
    What however is wrong with Kyle Orton? He has played well the two years he has been there.
    Their defense is the biggest problem not Orton.

  51. rarson says: Oct 25, 2010 2:14 PM

    @habib
    Denver was already sucking before they got to Baltimore this year, they were just racking up passing yards in the process.
    It would be wrong of me to assume that what the press writes in Denver is actually even remotely reflective of fans’ opinions. That would be like someone else assuming that Mike Preston represents Ravens fans… and everyone knows that Mike Preston is a freaking moron. The press always needs a story, and anything they can yell about is sure to get more attention; this story is clear evidence of that.
    It’s bad enough that Denver took Tebow (if you think he’s better than Orton, or even has the potential to EVER be better than Orton, you’re crazy), but getting rid of Orton would be absurd. Teams have won Super Bowls with QBs worse than Orton. Why would you want to get rid of him?

  52. Chiggs says: Oct 25, 2010 2:16 PM

    I don’t think the writer of the Denver Post article was saying that Orton needed to be replaced because Orton is bad, but only that if McDaniels wants to save his job he needs to start Tebow, because that is the only card he has up his sleeve.

  53. Bwa Ha Ha says: Oct 25, 2010 2:19 PM

    Wade Phillips should be available soon for them

  54. BrokenBallz says: Oct 25, 2010 4:05 PM

    This is a classic example of “The Curse of the Evil Hoodie”……it seems the curse is in full effect here at a mile high. I may be wrong, but I can’t think of anyone out of the Belichick herd that has had much of any success since leaving the Patriots mothership. You know, maybe Bill is a genius after all (LOL)

  55. Screw$tonTexan says: Oct 25, 2010 4:29 PM

    Texans for the superbowll baby!

  56. azwildcats96 says: Oct 25, 2010 5:24 PM

    @David – hey moron… How is McDaniels NOT the problem when he is the reason Denver has no talent? Are you really that stupid? LOL

  57. joetoronto says: Oct 25, 2010 5:31 PM

    Chiggs says: October 25, 2010 2:16 PM
    I don’t think the writer of the Denver Post article was saying that Orton needed to be replaced because Orton is bad, but only that if McDaniels wants to save his job he needs to start Tebow, because that is the only card he has up his sleeve.
    *********************************************************
    Bingo.
    As for Orton, he’s NOT a problem on a team full of problems.
    Although he DID struggle against almost all man defense yesterday, he’s much better against zone defenses.

  58. TheWizard says: Oct 25, 2010 5:57 PM

    McDaniels was a joke has a hire. He was offensive coordinator of a team a 5 year old could have had success with.
    Except…….they’ve had no consistency since he left.
    Guess they haven’t found the right 5 year old.
    McDaniels won’t ever be hurting for employment.

  59. Bob Sacamano says: Oct 25, 2010 6:05 PM

    How can you continue pointing to the Broncos’ schedule as a reason for hope? Two days ago, didn’t their schedule include a home game against a 2-win Raiders team?
    How’d that work out?

  60. RCT930 says: Oct 25, 2010 6:21 PM

    Orton is a quality backup QB but that’s all. He doesn’t play the part. He doesn’t look the part. He is scared of getting hit. And he is not a leader.
    “Oh but it’s not his fault. He is throwing for so many yards this season!”
    These kinds of comments must be uttered by people who don’t watch Broncos games. Orton looked terrible in the Jets and Raiders games. The reason Denver’s defense was mauled was because Orton produced just one first down in the first half. The defense, which is full of second and third stringers due to injuries, was on the field the entire game because Orton and the Denver offense could not move the ball.
    After this season McDaniels should be blown out and replaced by someone who commands respect, not demands respect.

  61. Raiders757 says: Oct 25, 2010 6:58 PM

    kravon says: October 25, 2010 10:49 AM
    I think the league needs to look into this game.
    Is it beyond unreasonable to think the Denver players tanked on purpose given the pending labor issues and having to play in London this week?
    ————————————————–
    Easily one of the most absurd posts I have rad in a very long time. Anyone who thinks a team would tank against a hated division rival in front of their home fans, is a moron of the highest caliber.
    I’m with Ray Guy, and his statement. A loss like that is a tough pill to swallow, and we Raider fans have swallowed our share. I love this win, but it isn’t going to mean all that much if the team lays and egg against Seattle this Sunday.

  62. brucetrimble says: Oct 25, 2010 8:46 PM

    The most telling sign that Josh was in over his head was the deer-in-the-headlight look on his face while standing on the sidelines after the Raiders went up 21-0. He didn’t know what to say to the team and seemed to be all alone on the sidelines. Based upon the lack of urgency on the part of the coaches and players, it was evident then that the players did not have his confidence. From drafting to personnel management, and from game-planning to coaching, Josh has proven that he doesn’t know how to identify talent, manage people, calls plays or manage games. Really, what does he bring to the table?

  63. TheWizard says: Oct 25, 2010 8:58 PM

    How is McDaniels NOT the problem when he is the reason Denver has no talent?
    Like Cutler?

  64. USCG-BUC says: Oct 25, 2010 9:25 PM

    Moved to Broomfield 4 months ago(suburb of Denver) as a loyal Bucs fan I have to say that this is an insanely cool fanbase, they can take some losses and they will take the media criticism. They were pissed at there teams lack of production and how quickly the game got out of hand, but in the end this town loves it’s teams and they show if in full force every week. Denver doesn’t know a bandwagon fanbase and they won’t unless they travel to Florida!
    Gooooo BUCS!

  65. azwildcats96 says: Oct 26, 2010 9:49 AM

    @TheWizard – If you’re implying Cutler isn’t talented you need your head examined. The offense was ranked #2 his last year in Denver. If you mean Cutler is an example of how inept McD is at making personnel decisions, then I agree with you.
    Even if you give McD the benefit of the doubt and say there IS enough talent on the team, it’s obvious he is not able to make that talent play cohesively as a team. Lack of discipline, lack of preparation, bad play calling – all of that falls on the head coach.

  66. roadwash says: Oct 26, 2010 10:26 AM

    brucetrimble say “The most telling sign that Josh was in over his head was the deer-in-the-headligh t look on his face while standing on the sidelines after the Raiders went up 21-0. He didn’t know what to say to the team and seemed to be all alone on the sidelines. Based upon the lack of urgency on the part of the coaches and players, it was evident then that the players did not have his confidence. From drafting to personnel management, and from game-planning to coaching, Josh has proven that he doesn’t know how to identify talent, manage people, calls plays or manage games. Really, what does he bring to the table? ”
    __________________________________
    EXACTLY…well said, I was at the game and Mcdaniels was lost and the players distanced themselves from him. All he got done was stare at his playsheet. They are about the biggest bunch of NO TALENT, NO IDENTITY group of guys ever to play in the NFL. Not only does Mcdaniels not bring much to the table, the defense can’t even find the table, pretty pathetic and embarrassing.
    .

  67. jb10 says: Oct 26, 2010 6:16 PM

    USCG-BUC i sincerley hope this is a joke. i have lived in the state of co for 14 years and this city is full of bandwagon fans! not just bronco fans either! one sports time has a bad game or a few on it is on to the next sport. hell when the rockies went to the world series a few years ago you couldn’t give tickets away the majority of the time. the make the playoffs and you could see the people in the bars with thei rnew rockies shirts. some still had the tag and the creases on them.

  68. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Oct 26, 2010 7:42 PM

    @JKD
    EVERY NFL city sees greener pastures. Ask Jim McMahon. Won a championship, was a bit of a punk and Ditka brings in Flutie and Tomlin.
    McDaniels looked within the soul thar is Tim Tebow…sounds like Bush 43 and Putin. Tebow would be playing now if he could contribute. Just another chapter in McDaniels arrogance. Bye- bye, Joshy. “Tick, tick, tick”, pal.

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