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Bart Scott: Legal and illegal hits "look exactly the same to me"

The player safety video that was shown to every player on all 32 teams last week failed to make an impression on Jets linebacker Bart Scott.

The legal hit and the illegal hit look exactly the same to me,” Scott told the New York Times.

Scott is one of several Jets who sound less than convinced that the league’s emphasis on illegal hits can actually change players’ behavior and make the NFL safer.

“The biggest thing at this level, at this high level, is the speed of the game,” defensive end Vernon Gholston said. “Everything is so fast. If a player with the ball moves this way or that way or ducks down and you’ve already committed to your hit, you can’t just physically stop. You’re already in, you’re already committed.”

And defensive back Drew Coleman wonders why some of the most flagrant hits (like the one that got James Harrison fined $75,000) aren’t flagged, while some hits that aren’t illegal at all draw 15-yard penalties.

“Guys who don’t get flagged on the play get fined the week after by the league and then guys who do get called, they don’t even get a fine,” Coleman said. “Which one is it? It doesn’t make sense right now.”

So while the league said this week that it noticed a reduction in illegal hits on Sunday, that might have been due in part to the fact that the Jets were off. Because the Jets don’t seem to be sold on the increased emphasis on player safety.

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24 Responses to “Bart Scott: Legal and illegal hits "look exactly the same to me"”
  1. GetReal1 says: Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM

    Why the hell is Vernon Gholston commenting? He’s probably played less than 5 minutes all season despite the Jests injuries at DE and OLB.

  2. benh999 says: Oct 27, 2010 10:55 AM

    The game is too fast for Gholston. Who would’ve thought?

  3. Phokus says: Oct 27, 2010 10:55 AM

    Bart Scott is kind of an imbecile.

  4. iampats says: Oct 27, 2010 10:59 AM

    Vernon Gholston says,
    “The biggest thing at this level is the speed of the game”
    which is why he is the biggest bust in the 2008 draft

  5. jcjets says: Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM

    Drew Coleman makes a great point: Jim Leonard was flagged for a bogus helmet to helmet hit in the Denver game, but then doesn’t get a fine. Harrison wasn’t flagged, and did get a hefty fine.
    So if the officials can’t make the correct determination watching the play, how can we really expect players to do it in a split second? certainly some of the illegal plays need to be cleaned up, like when a defender is spearing, and even hits like the one on Desean Jackson, but its not exactly a clear black and white issue.

  6. D wins games says: Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM

    No surprise that Gholston thinks the game moves fast. Perhaps that explains why he moves so slowly. What a bust!

  7. Sanchize says: Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM

    Is it a requirement for everyone on this site to hate the Jets? Did a single player say “Oh, this rule is B.S., im not listening.” No. They simply said the ruling was confusing and unclear. Oh, but according to the writers of this site, they don’t believe in player safety; give me a break. You guys do whatever you can to put a negative spin on everything jets. Dont be ridiculous.

  8. Insomniac says: Oct 27, 2010 11:05 AM

    Vernon Gholston chiming in with his 20 career tackles.

  9. ejtowne says: Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM

    These NEW rules at every corner are slowly ruining the sport. Does anybody think the problem might be who is in charge of the whole picture? New commissioner anyone?

  10. recent says: Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM

    “So while the league said this week that it noticed a reduction in illegal hits on Sunday, that might have been due in part to the fact that the Jets were off. Because the Jets don’t seem to be sold on the increased emphasis on player safety.”
    The Jets played in Week 6 where this all began, and nobody was fined. In fact, Jim Leonhard had a solid legal hit that was flagged. The Jets are sold on the safety aspect, but noted that it’s inconsistently called on the field.
    Can you give a rundown of the Jets illegal hits this season to back up your argument, because I doubt it’s above the league average (since I can’t think of any offhand and have watched all games).
    I know you guys like to give opinions, but that one has nothing backing it up at all, and isn’t fair to the Jets who haven’t been among the leagues dirty hitters that you lump them in with.

  11. Avrus says: Oct 27, 2010 11:22 AM

    Bart Scott is a great linebacker. If he’s saying this maybe Goodell should listen.
    Mr Smith are you a ghostwriter for Florio now?
    “So while the league said this week that it noticed a reduction in illegal hits on Sunday, that might have been due in part to the fact that the Jets were off. ”
    Because the Jets have how many illegal hits this season?
    @Sanchize
    Couldn’t agree more.

  12. SteelScorpio says: Oct 27, 2010 11:25 AM

    One must always take what is posted on pFT with a grain of salt, and do ones own research.
    Coleman made no mention of Harrison, that part is just the added bias of the “journalist” LOL!!
    The reason Harrison wasn’t flagged was because it was a legal hit. (TWO Refs standing right there, they both saw Massaqoui duck down into the hit, why can’t YOU??). His subsequent fine was for running his mouth and to please whining sports writers who probably had Massaqoui on their Fantasy team.

  13. BSPN says: Oct 27, 2010 11:26 AM

    Fart Scott is a former Ravens thug. Nobody (except Florio) cares what he has to say.

  14. Browning's Nagle says: Oct 27, 2010 11:32 AM

    “Everything is so fast. If a player with the ball moves this way or that way or ducks down and you’ve already committed to your hit, you can’t just physically stop. You’re already in, you’re already committed.”
    Regardless if you like the Jets or not… if you like Gholston or not… or if you think he’s a bust or not (which he is), what he said id 100% true!

  15. AJ says: Oct 27, 2010 11:34 AM

    Michael Smith, I take back my apology from the other day. You’re a moron on the same level as Florio. You guys find it impossible to just report the news without adding in some nasty comments, can you? This act with those kinds of comments is lame and really wears thin after a while.

  16. SteelScorpio says: Oct 27, 2010 11:35 AM

    “the increased emphasis on player safety”
    Do you also believe everything the government tells you???

  17. packerjoeZ says: Oct 27, 2010 11:53 AM

    Maybe BS has an undiagnosed head injury.

  18. Tinbender says: Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM

    @ejtowne : What NEW rules are you referring to? This is heightened enforcement of rules that have been on the books for years.

  19. RexRyanHasntSeenHisDinkySince1987 says: Oct 27, 2010 11:55 AM

    No one ever accused Bart Scott of being a genius. Solid player, but he always seems to say things that make him seem like a complete moron…..
    I understand how there can be some confusion, consider the hit that debacled Desean Jackson. I have watched it over and over, and there is no helmet to helmet, and it appears to be mostly shoulder to chest, the impact was incredible, that is why there was injuries (to both players).
    But I will say this, over the last 10 years the game has shifted from solid tackling, where a defensive player makes a hit, wraps u, and then brings the man down. But recently, they are no longer going for the sure tackle, now they are going for the knockout. Just stop going for the knockout….
    Physics would tell anyone, that you are more likely to make a tackle, if you aim for the ball carriers waist (or lower, as long as you are mindful of him leaping over you). Players have such great balance, they simply bounce off when you hit them in the chest. If every defensive player started aiming for the ball carriers waist, helmet to helmet hits would happen only when the ball carrier gets low, and when multiple players gang tackle a ball carrier… Just hit lower, why is that soooooo F-ing hard for these players to comprehend? I can guarantee you, that you will never hit a player helmet to helmet, if you aim for the ball carriers waist….

  20. BobL242 says: Oct 27, 2010 12:12 PM

    Avrus says:
    October 27, 2010 11:22 AM
    Bart Scott is a great linebacker. If he’s saying this maybe Goodell should listen.
    Mr Smith are you a ghostwriter for Florio now?
    “So while the league said this week that it noticed a reduction in illegal hits on Sunday, that might have been due in part to the fact that the Jets were off. ”
    Because the Jets have how many illegal hits this season?
    @Sanchize
    Couldn’t agree more.
    ———————————————
    Bart Scott is a great linebacker??? What kind of drugs are you on?

  21. smithopher says: Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM

    People, Gholston ISN’T THAT BAD ANYMORE. He was a terrible OLB but he’s actually an OK 3-4 DE. I’m not saying he’s a pro-bowler, but the kid is finding himself in the right spot at the right time, he’s actually seeing playing time, unlike the past couple seasons. Regardless of whether you think he’s good or not, what he said is right on point… This is a fast game, these players run at high speeds… In a fraction of a second, you can’t dictate how you’re about to collide with an offensive player who just shifted his body. This whole thing is nonsense to me. This is the game these guys have signed up for.
    When I was 11 and started playing football, I remember the first thing my dad told me was “you can’t be afraid to hurt people, you can’t be afraid to get hurt.” Those are words to live by in football. Why the NFL suddenly wants to change that… I don’t get it.

  22. Dumb As Einstien says: Oct 27, 2010 12:41 PM

    The people making the rules these days are the same people you see putting helmets on thier kids riding bicycles & driving 45 miles per hour in the 65 mile zone…oh, and they all voted for O’mama!

  23. Greenman says: Oct 27, 2010 12:44 PM

    packerjoeZ says:
    ————————————————————
    Just wait until Sunday when he cracks your Pretty Boy QB’s skull
    BobL242 says:
    Bart Scott is a great linebacker??? What kind of drugs are you on?
    ————————————————————
    You’ve either never paid too much attention to him or you’re a bitter Ravens fan still mad that he would rather be with Rex than your overrated Head Coach and unibrow.

  24. DonthatetheJetscausetheyarebetterthanyourteam says: Oct 27, 2010 1:43 PM

    ejtowne says:
    October 27, 2010 11:15 AM
    These NEW rules at every corner are slowly ruining the sport. Does anybody think the problem might be who is in charge of the whole picture? New commissioner anyone?
    …………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Im definetly down with that….I cant stand Goodell he is ruining what is the best sport in the world??

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