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What’s wrong with the Saints?

The 2010 New Orleans Saints are a shadow of their dominant selves from 2009.

So what’s the deal with the franchise that already has lost as many games this year as last year?

PFTV explores.

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41 Responses to “What’s wrong with the Saints?”
  1. sven_ftw says: Oct 27, 2010 2:42 PM

    while he’s not ad, or cj, i think the positioning of reggie, and the mind games that drew can play would significantly open up their opportunities.

  2. riichiie says: Oct 27, 2010 2:49 PM

    What’s wrong with the Saints? The Madden Curse is what’s wrong with the Saints.

  3. jgowdy138 says: Oct 27, 2010 2:59 PM

    Madden Curse strikes again.

  4. Mike says: Oct 27, 2010 3:10 PM

    People don’t come to this site to watch videos of you. Come on now.

  5. grannyvi says: Oct 27, 2010 3:13 PM

    Ummm, they were more lucky last year than “dominant”. Looks like their luck has run out this year.

  6. cheeseweasel says: Oct 27, 2010 3:15 PM

    they won the SB and started pulling their groins, as did all residents of Louisiana, ate, drank, and pulled their groins some more. So there it is folks. Groin injuries did in the Saints.

  7. bspurloc says: Oct 27, 2010 3:17 PM

    the saints werent superbowl material before they won and they arent after they won…..
    They have been plagued by reggie bush, pierre thomas, mike bell constantly getting injured aka all the running backs….
    they got extremely lucky bush and thomas didnt get RE-injured at the end of the season now they have the double wammy and the replacements are fumbling wonders…. now brees accuracy has gone to junk.

  8. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 3:25 PM

    Open invitation for all the crybaby Vikings fans…

  9. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 3:31 PM

    Figures that the defense is playing so well, but the offense is in a funk. The good news is, they play in the NFC…so they’re still very much in contention.

  10. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 3:37 PM

    bspurloc says:
    October 27, 2010 3:17 PM
    the saints werent superbowl material before they won and they arent after they won…..
    ————————————————-
    You don’t know much about football, do you?

  11. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 3:53 PM

    grannyvi says:
    October 27, 2010 3:13 PM
    Ummm, they were more lucky last year than “dominant”. Looks like their luck has run out this year.
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    You don’t win 13 games by luck, sorry. They actually should’ve gone 15-1 in the regular season. Plus, Brees had a record completion percentage and threw 8 TD and ZERO interceptions in the playoffs. Looks pretty dominant to me.

  12. Krow says: Oct 27, 2010 3:53 PM

    It’s just damn hard to repeat. Tough to catch that Superbowl lightening 2 years in a row… for any team.

  13. Pervy Moss says: Oct 27, 2010 3:59 PM

    It’s like this….when you sell your soul to the NFL to get a phony SB Trophy there is a written rule that you must suck for the next 30 years….

  14. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 4:00 PM

    Well, they’re 4-3, so it’s not like they’re as bad as say Minnesota or Dallas (preseason NFC Super Bowl favorites). They also have the same record as Green Bay (another preseason NFC Super Bowl favorite).

  15. bspurloc says: Oct 27, 2010 4:02 PM

    # Kay Bee says: October 27, 2010 3:37 PM
    You don’t know much about football, do you?
    ——————– ——————– ———
    you don’t play fantasy football much.
    open your eyes and u wont be needing to say who dat

  16. JSpicoli says: Oct 27, 2010 4:07 PM

    Nobody in the NFL is good enough to impose their will on the rest of the league. Parity, embrace it! Cuz it is here now for sure.
    This season is starting off as the worst one I can remember since the mid 90’s when the league sucked except for two good teams every year.
    Too much parity, not enough depth, and a very physical game, mean your starters get hurt and even if you have a good team, your team can be knee capped with one or two injuries. You are twisting in the wind against some other team that is just as mediocre. The game comes down to some arbitrary bounce here or there, an overly officious official making a call on a rule that was not there two weeks ago, and viola, you have a win. Does it mean you were really better than the other team? Not really. This is about 90% of the current games.
    The more I look at this year, and during the MLB WS, the more I see how Baseball has it in spades over football. You enjoy your 3 hours of a randomly decided coinflip during the Superbowl, I’ll take 7 games of incredible matchups and increased drama.

  17. nps6724 says: Oct 27, 2010 4:17 PM

    Cue all the “They were lucky!” crybags.
    There’s several reasons.
    1) It’s hard to win A Super Bowl, much less repeat. How many Super Bowl winners struggle the following year?
    2008 Steelers – 12-4; 2009 – 9-7, no playoffs
    2007 Giants – 10-6; 2008 – 12-4, lost 1st playoff game
    2006 Colts – 12-4; 2007 – 13-3, lost 1st playoff game
    2005 Steelers – 11-5; 2006 – 8-8, no playoffs
    2004 Patriots – 14-2; 2005 – 10-6, lost 2nd playoff game
    2003 Patriots – 14-2; 2004 – 14-2, Super Bowl champs
    2002 Bucs – 12-4; 2003 – 7-9, no playoffs
    2001 Patriots – 11-5; 2002 – 9-7, no playoffs
    2000 Ravens – 12-4; 2001 – 10-6, lost 2nd playoff game
    Out of 9 teams, only 2 posted better records the following year (by 2 wins and 1 win) and both lost their 1st playoff game, 4 teams missed the playoffs, and only 1 made it back to the following Super Bowl (and the only team to win multiple Super Bowls this decade and the only team to appear in more than 2).
    2) Injuries. That’s not an excuse, it’s a reason. Most teams will lose games when their 2 starting CBs, nickel CB, top 3 RBs, both starting OLBs, and starting FS all miss a ton of games. Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Randall Gay, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Lynell Hamilton, Jonathan Cassilas, Scott shanle, and Darren Sharper have missed a combined 38 games (averages out to 4 games per player). The Saints have had to go to the street to fill out the HB, CB, and S spots in recent weeks. And none of that group has played in all of the past 3 games and only Greer has played in 2 of them.
    3) Poor OL blocking. Football success and failure almost always stems from the LOS out. The Saints’ OL is simply underperforming. Brees is getting hit and sacked far more than ever before. Combine that with his gimpy knee (injured in Week 3) and it’s causing Brees to not be able to squirm out of pressure like before and it keeps long-developing deep plays from developing due to no time.
    4) Law of averages. How many teams lose only 3 games in a season each year? How many start 13-0? How many lose 3 or fewer games the following year?
    2000 – TEN 13-3; 2001 – 7-9
    2001 – PIT 13-3, CHI 13-3, STL 14-2; 2002 – 10-5-1, 4-12, 7-9
    2002 – 0
    2003 – NWE 14-2, KC 13-3; 2004 – 14-2, 7-9
    2004 – NWE 14-2, PIT 15-1, PHI 13-3; 2005 – 10-6, 11-5, 6-10
    2005 – IND 14-2, DEN 13-3, SEA 13-3; 2006 – 12-4, 9-7, 9-7
    2006 – BAL 13-3, SD 14-2, CHI 13-3; 2007 – 5-11, 11-5, 7-9
    2007 – NWE 16-0, IND 13-3, DAL 13-3, GB 13-3; 2008 – 11-5, 12-4, 9-7, 6-10
    2008 – TEN 13-3; 2009 – 8-8
    That’s 20 total teams and only 8 followed with at least a 10-win season, only 12 had at least an 8-win season, only 1 had an equal record, and 0 had a better record.
    Most of it comes down to parity.

  18. scra22 says: Oct 27, 2010 4:30 PM

    grannyvi says:
    October 27, 2010 3:13 PM
    Ummm, they were more lucky last year than “dominant”. Looks like their luck has run out this year.
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    Wow, what a moronic statement by someone who obviously didn’t watch many Saints games last year. The 2009 Saints were the #1 scoring team in the league with the #1 offense. They beat three hall of fame quarterbacks in the playoffs. The defense was #3 in produced turnovers. In the first 15 games of the season, the Saints outscored opponents 500 to 318. I didn’t include the 16th game because Brees sat to get ready for the playoffs. They were completely dominant in most of their games. They won the Super Bowl by 2 touchdowns.
    NortoVike says:
    October 27, 2010 3:51 PM
    Karma
    ====
    Is that what’s plaguing the Vikings this year as well? Or is it the refs’ and Katrina’s fault that you’ve only won 2 games this year?

  19. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 4:34 PM

    bspurloc says:
    October 27, 2010 4:02 PM
    # Kay Bee says: October 27, 2010 3:37 PM
    You don’t know much about football, do you?
    —————– — ——————– ——–
    you don’t play fantasy football much.
    open your eyes and u wont be needing to say who dat
    ————————————————
    Lame response…just as I expected. Thanks for playing.

  20. Jeff Harper says: Oct 27, 2010 4:36 PM

    Welcome back Pervy! At least the Saints sold their soul and WON a championship. The Vikings sold their soul for an “overexposed” quarterback instead of a championship. Looks like Satan didn’t want to buy that soul in four previous Super Bowls. How does that feel 33 years since the Viqueens last trip to the big dance? When you sell your soul the price is always pretty large….all the Vikes got was an interception machine that hangs it’s genitals out when you least need it to.

  21. Saintsarebest says: Oct 27, 2010 4:59 PM

    we just have a bigger target on our back than everyone else we are still the best team in the leegue but we are everyones superbowl. we will survive and go back to back just relax who dat nation.

  22. Bigbluefan says: Oct 27, 2010 5:09 PM

    Maybe with out a running game Drew is not elite anymore?
    Everyone says Eli sucks he just wins because of the running game O line and D
    Well now that Drew does not have a running game How about them Brown

  23. kickinitoleschool says: Oct 27, 2010 5:32 PM

    a lot of the Saints success was due to their defense creating turnovers and taking them back to the house for 6. This year that has not happened (yet). Bush being out hurts the passing game more than anything. Bush has the ability to spread the field. Much easier to make a pass across the middle when there are no linebackers…since the linebackers have to spy bush. Secondly the corners can actually play the receivers now…for those who play football understand that at times a corner has flats and if a rb goes into the flat..then they must be covered…but the main reasons the saints are hurting is like i said bush being out and their defense not being able to create as many turnovers

  24. Ilovefoolsball says: Oct 27, 2010 5:37 PM

    @bspurloc says: October 27, 2010 3:17 PM
    the saints werent superbowl material before they won and they arent after they won…..
    They have been plagued by reggie bush, pierre thomas, mike bell constantly getting injured aka all the running backs….
    they got extremely lucky bush and thomas didnt get RE-injured at the end of the season now they have the double wammy and the replacements are fumbling wonders…. now brees accuracy has gone to junk.

    wow your ignorance and stupidity is astounding! MIKE BELL ISN’T EVEN ON THE TEAM THIS YEAR DUMBASS!!!
    Probably a typical Minnesota fan, or maybe just a casual ignorant fan despite not being from Minnesota. Regardless of your “expert fantasy football player opinion”, the Saints did win the Superbowl last year in dominant fashion as they only lost 3 games all of last year and 1 of those games didn’t have any starters playing.
    It’s hard to repeat, hell it’s even hard to get back to the championship game two years in a row for even the best teams.
    Parity reigns supreme, not your fantasy football skills.

  25. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 5:49 PM

    Bigbluefan says:
    October 27, 2010 5:09 PM
    Maybe with out a running game Drew is not elite anymore?
    Everyone says Eli sucks he just wins because of the running game O line and D
    Well now that Drew does not have a running game How about them Brown
    ————————————————
    Drew Brees and Eli Manning aren’t in the same class…sorry.

  26. scra22 says: Oct 27, 2010 5:53 PM

    # bspurloc says: October 27, 2010 3:17 PM
    now brees accuracy has gone to junk.
    =========
    There are no accuracy problems. Brees has completed 69.7% of his passes this year. That is pretty freaking good. The only problem is when he throws it to the guys in the other uniform. But when you’re constantly getting hurried or hit because your O-line has decided to play like crap, that’s going to happen more often than it used to.

  27. Just JTO says: Oct 27, 2010 6:02 PM

    I’m a huge Steelers fan. I watched this great team win two Super Bowls and the very next season after each – while still having all the talent in the world – the Steelers MISSED the playoffs totally.
    I just think a combination of an off-season of celebrating and the pressure of trying to show the world the next season how great you are and live up to that title is a lot to ask for.
    I can understand how Saints fans must feel. They gotta be wondering WTF!! But I’ve seen it happen twice! I hope the Saints get better … just not this weekend. LOL.

  28. scra22 says: Oct 27, 2010 6:02 PM

    # Bigbluefan says: October 27, 2010 5:09 PM
    Maybe with out a running game Drew is not elite anymore?
    Everyone says Eli sucks he just wins because of the running game O line and D
    Well now that Drew does not have a running game How about them Brown
    ======
    Eli Manning has an 88.3 passer rating. The Giants’ rushing offense is ranked #4.
    Drew Brees has a 91.4 passer rating. The Saints’ rushing offense is ranked #26.
    In 2008, the Saints had the 28th ranked rushing game. Drew Brees’ passer rating for the year was 96.2.
    So running game or no running game, Drew Brees is elite. And infinitely better than Eli Manning.

  29. Philtration says: Oct 27, 2010 7:06 PM

    # Pervy Moss says: October 27, 2010 3:59 PM
    It’s like this….when you sell your soul to the NFL to get a phony SB Trophy there is a written rule that you must suck for the next 30 years….
    ====================================
    Unless you are the Vikings.
    Then you sell your soul, don’t even get the trophy and then suck for the next 35 years.

  30. Hayward G says: Oct 27, 2010 7:26 PM

    Is it me or has “What’s wrong with the (_______) (________)” become one of the more annoying cliches in football in the last few years?

  31. mikemcsaint says: Oct 27, 2010 7:28 PM

    Pervy,
    The Saints o-line last game was about as good as Brock Lesnar’s defense. Damn, he must still be in pain. Truth be told two things are hurting the Saints – turnovers and a commitment to running the football.

  32. Clausensteamnow says: Oct 27, 2010 7:33 PM

    NFC south for the last 10 years, its from Worse to first and usally first to worse.
    I thought the falcons would win this year but it looks like the nfc south curse will come into play and the bucs will follow from worst to first this year

  33. dieharddolfan6493 says: Oct 27, 2010 7:38 PM

    saints winning the championship had nothing to do with luck. i think theyre just rusty becuase they spent all summer dancing around the golf instead of getting ready to defend their title. theyre still team to beat in the nfl.

  34. DaBadGuy says: Oct 27, 2010 8:02 PM

    As New Orleans heads backs to being irrelevant…until the next natural disaster anyway…

  35. defensiveplaymaker says: Oct 27, 2010 8:39 PM

    Who dat, who dat, who dat Saints got bailed out by the refs in the NFC Championship game last year. If you watched the game you know what I’m talking about. A bogus pass interference call on the Vikings and a horrible no-call when Favre was hit illegally and injured. Yes, the Vikings could have played better, but the refs could have as well. It’s hard enough to battle your opponents in the NFL without having to battle the refs horrible calls as well. The NFL later admitted that they should have called a personal foul penalty on the guy that hit Favre low to injure him. Another bad call was done against the Vikings in their recent loss to the Packers where a touchdown was taken away from the Vikings that shouldn’t have been, which the league confirmed. Also, the Packers got away with a touchdown that shouldn’t have been one. Does anybody else think that any play that is close should be automatically reviewed by a replay official in the booth? This doesn’t have to take long at all……it takes 15 seconds to see the replay at home that a play should’ve been called differently. There’s just some calls that change the outcome of the game that should be called correctly I think. This would enable the team that should win, to win, and not to lose because of a huge call or two gone wrong by the refs. It’s time to put the game in the players hands, instead of the refs.

  36. joelvis72 says: Oct 27, 2010 9:27 PM

    I’d like to respond as I would have last season but cheeseweasel pulled my groin and I got placed on IR (I’m in Louisiana).

  37. Kay Bee says: Oct 27, 2010 9:50 PM

    defensiveplaymaker:
    The Vikings suck dude…and it has nothing to do with the refs. Has Jared Allen played at all this year? I haven’t heard his named called much.

  38. GO_EAGLEZ says: Oct 28, 2010 12:14 AM

    Madden Curse + NFC South Curse(although i think it will be broke this year due to the panthers)
    so yea not going to be there year.

  39. Reggies jukemove says: Oct 28, 2010 4:39 AM

    Pervy Moss says:
    October 27, 2010 3:59 PM
    It’s like this….when you sell your soul to the NFL to get a phony SB Trophy there is a written rule that you must suck for the next 30 years…
    Is that what happened to the Vikings?? Aww my bad. They never did win one. They just suck all the way around. Good luck going .500

  40. Reggies jukemove says: Oct 28, 2010 4:48 AM

    Pervy Moss says:
    October 27, 2010 3:59 PM
    It’s like this….when you sell your soul to the NFL to get a phony SB Trophy there is a written rule that you must suck for the next 30 years…
    Is that what happened to the Vikings?? Aww my bad. They never did win one. They just suck all the way around. Good luck going .500

  41. scra22 says: Oct 28, 2010 11:41 AM

    # defensiveplaymaker says: October 27, 2010 8:39 PM
    Who dat, who dat, who dat Saints got bailed out by the refs in the NFC Championship game last year. If you watched the game you know what I’m talking about. A bogus pass interference call on the Vikings and a horrible no-call when Favre was hit illegally and injured. Yes, the Vikings could have played better, but the refs could have as well. It’s hard enough to battle your opponents in the NFL without having to battle the refs horrible calls as well.
    ============
    Who dat, who dat, who dat say they have the whiniest fan base in the league??? The Vikings!

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