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NFL holding conference call with all officials on blown calls

At a time when NFL officials seems to be blowing more calls than a stuttering telemarketer, the league is taking an unprecedented step to get the most out of their men in black.  And white.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that the NFL will be conducting a “rare — if not unprecedented” conference call with all game officials, which will be aimed at encouraging them to do a better job when it comes to getting calls right.

Usually, such calls involve only the referees.  This specific call, which will happen Friday, will include every member of every crew.

As we observed via Twitter during Monday night’s Giants-Cowboys game, it seems that a lot of mistakes have been made by officials as to events occurring right in front of them.  The biggest blunder of the weekend came when officials determined that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger had scored a touchdown, when replays showed he had fumbled.  Application of the replay rules, though done accurately by referee Gene Steratore, created a sense that the Fins had been screwed.

Sunday night’s on-field decision that Vikings receiver Percy Harvin had caught what would have been a game-winning touchdown pass came from an official who was looking down at Harvin’s feet as one of them clearly landed out of bounds.  Though the call was corrected via replay review, the “oh my heavens!” moment followed by a “what the hell?” realization surely made it harder to refocus on having to try to do it all again.

And then there was referee Scott Green’s boneheaded reversal via replay review of Visanthe Shiancoe’s touchdown reception in the same game.  Though the explanation from NFL V.P. of officiating Carl Johnson left us even more confused about the rule, the fact remains that the league office believes Green screwed up.

While the conference call may not quite be an Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross moment, perhaps it should be.  NFL officials are graded after each game, and they’re held accountable for their mistakes.

But what of the ultimate accountability?  How many officials actually are fired for repeated mistakes?

The correct answer may be “not enough.”

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  1. footballrulz says: Oct 28, 2010 6:23 PM

    Start fining them. Goodell’s good at that.

  2. NFLGREEDLEAGUE says: Oct 28, 2010 6:24 PM

    Let me rap it up like this folks, “You’re all doing a great job, ratings are threw the roof, and all the teams that were suppose to win won!!! Vegas has renewed our contract for 5 season and we’ll all be rolling in dough!

  3. chestergunn says: Oct 28, 2010 6:26 PM

    The incompetence is a direct result of instant replay. The officials know that no matter how bad they screw up the cameras will bail them out. Unless the guy watching the video is also a screw-up!

  4. Unnamed Source says: Oct 28, 2010 6:32 PM

    If NFL officials are really graded after each game and held accountable for their mistakes then come playoff time there isn’t going to be anyone left to officiate.

  5. Avrus says: Oct 28, 2010 6:34 PM

    Props for the Glengarry reference Florio.
    And this is just the list of blown calls this week. If you look at the blown calls so far in 7 weeks of football it’s staggering.
    Staggering.

  6. Mike Rendahl says: Oct 28, 2010 6:36 PM

    Sometime you just have to forget about all the endless definitions and make the right call. In the end, that’s all that really matters, it’s really that simple.

  7. Leto_II says: Oct 28, 2010 6:36 PM

    I applaud this. There’s has been some ridiculously bad calls this year. If the NBA did this, there would be a call every day.

  8. pghguyy33 says: Oct 28, 2010 6:37 PM

    i see alot more penalties being called .. how bout letting the players play.

  9. FinFan6886 says: Oct 28, 2010 6:39 PM

    Miami did get screwed…but it was not via replay. The official on the line could not see the ball cross the goal line but he signaled TD. The other official (start of scrum was viewed from almost over his shoulder) saw the ball come out and did…nothing, no tossing of the beanbag, no indication of a fumble whatsoever…he just stood there staring at the ground.

  10. connie73 says: Oct 28, 2010 6:39 PM

    Why are we not told the names of the refs that make blown calls so we can see for ourselves which ref is the biggest offender.
    Put 2 more officials out there.
    Ain’t it funny that 2 of the biggest talked about calls involved the Steelers.
    Looks like the officials can’t cheat for the Steelers anymore. Everyone has their eyes open.

  11. Nate is Gay for Brady says: Oct 28, 2010 6:41 PM

    Let’s also not forget Boldin putting Reggie Corner in an arm lock from behind (offensive pass interference not called, of course) while he intercepts the ball with one hand in the middle of the end zone, both players fall in bounds, Reggie has one foot hit the ground while falling backwards, bounces off Boldin’s big ass, and the rule is no INT.

  12. Hap says: Oct 28, 2010 6:47 PM

    Notice Flo left out the descrip of bad calls in Gs/Cowboys game.

  13. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Oct 28, 2010 6:48 PM

    Goodell: Listen guys, you need to do a better job of disguising our efforts to insure our favored teams win.
    Refs: Okay, Bossman.

  14. melikefootball says: Oct 28, 2010 6:48 PM

    This is almost like the heavy fines for hits out of the blue. Looking at two calls this week after all the missed or wrong calls during the first of the season ment nothing. Where is this league going?

  15. FinsUp says: Oct 28, 2010 6:49 PM

    Application of the replay rules done accurately? Was there a doubt who recovered that fumble? Put it this way, if the red called it a touchback, would even the most die hard Steeler fan think it would be the wrong call? Didn’t think so.

  16. babyjesuslovesyou says: Oct 28, 2010 6:52 PM

    About time

  17. ccoolahan14 says: Oct 28, 2010 6:53 PM

    Oh yeah, I’m sure the NFL is REALLY upset that referees are handing their beloved Steelers wins! It’s only been happening multiple times a year for at least 6 straight years!

  18. BOYCOTTFOOTBALLcom says: Oct 28, 2010 6:59 PM

    I wouldnt be surprised to see the ref hold out next season … not the players. nfl doesnt know what it wants. there can never be perfection until you review every play and use robots

  19. fastfred2 says: Oct 28, 2010 6:59 PM

    do ya think maybe we’ll see these assclowns call a fair game for a change? guess not this weekend the lions are blacked out, anyways watch the obvious holding by the the skins offensive line this week like you should have been doing at the giants game jackasses!

  20. Chiggs says: Oct 28, 2010 6:59 PM

    Carl Johnson is horrible on television. His explanation to Rich Eisen about the Vikings/Packers game was awful and he ended his stupid explanation with “so we’re just gonna keep doing it that way.”
    Bravo, Johnson.

  21. FireJerryJones says: Oct 28, 2010 6:59 PM

    How many officials miss this call?

  22. Brobokil says: Oct 28, 2010 7:00 PM

    How about they give the win to the team that really won as opposed to the team that was given a touchdown it didn’t get while its opponents good touchdown was taken away. Final score Green Bay 21 Minnesota 31.

  23. chubna says: Oct 28, 2010 7:01 PM

    Its a sad day when replay review, which was created to get calls right, is used to change a right call to the wrong call. Scott Green should be fired, if you cant get a call right watching a slow motion review, then why the heck are you officiating a game.

  24. NoKoolaidCowboy says: Oct 28, 2010 7:03 PM

    Good, because they need to get it together. Instant replay is supposed to help eliminate these problems.

  25. StillerFanatic says: Oct 28, 2010 7:05 PM

    What time should I call?

  26. FinFan says: Oct 28, 2010 7:07 PM

    But what of the ultimate accountability? How many officials actually are fired for repeated mistakes?
    The correct answer may be “not enough.”
    —-
    YES start with Pittsburgh native GENE STERATORE!!!! Now that he helped his home town team win, he can sit at home and watch his steelers play!

  27. johgarm says: Oct 28, 2010 7:07 PM

    Just a thought I think there should be a System in place just like the NHL. All reviews go to toronto before a goal is allowed or called off. It is a little more clear cut in that case but you could still have a system in place like this that would make the call rather than the refs who couldnt make the call in the first place.

  28. tweener702 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:11 PM

    They took our jobs?

  29. Packerhq.net says: Oct 28, 2010 7:11 PM

    All fine and dandy BUT who would replace them ? It’s a part time job that’s thankless and only a handful of people are capable of doing it correctly.
    A better option is to allow each team an extra challenge per half and a system where the booth can call a review all 4 quarters even if no one challenges.
    If someone is watching over there shoulder in a QC way there liable to be a little more careful.
    I would also say that the booth start reviewing major penalties as well because the lack of consistency regarding rules interpretation is staggering.
    The downside is it will slow the game down considerably.

  30. CanadianVikingFanII says: Oct 28, 2010 7:14 PM

    They really need to get younger at the officiating level. 80% of the officials are having heart attacks running 10 yard downfield.

  31. theodore says: Oct 28, 2010 7:25 PM

    The NFL needs to hold a conference call on Tom Brady’s well-blown hair.

  32. VikesBlowHorn says: Oct 28, 2010 7:27 PM

    Shiancoe shouldn’t be so stone handed…

  33. Kain-MD says: Oct 28, 2010 7:30 PM

    I’m fairly certain that this applies to the loose ball issues as well as the helmet to helmet contact issues.
    Its sad that the Phins basically got screwed over by a game deciding referree call, but unfortunately it cant be changed.
    The huge issue with how to determine the intent of headbashing tackles will be one thats much more difficult to get across and might take a few years of trial and error to get down.
    Then of course there are the issues with the completed passes. Minnesota isnt the first team to get screwed over by this relatively new rule and won’t be the last.
    What should happen in every game is having a group of replay analysts/referrees in a box with only one objective: to review plays and relay the best possible shots to the referrees on the field. It would also be a service to both teams for the unnecessary roughness calls for bad tackling to be watched upstairs and reviewed later in front of a panel with the onfield referrees to properly decide whether or not there was intent for these helmet hits for future fines and possible suspensions so these brutes can learn how to properly tackle.

  34. rmm9090 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:31 PM

    Firstly, nice taste Florio to compare these NFL moronic zebras to people who stutter.
    Secondly, what the hell is it with these zebras in the NFL? The league treats them like they are gods or something. No league employee can complain about them in public, least they get fined. aka Childress
    Lastly, in any other type job, if you continually screw up like these zebras, then you find yourself unemployed. It’s like these guys work for uncle sam or something.

  35. THNKIMRT says: Oct 28, 2010 7:35 PM

    The ref in the Harvin catch was actually looking at the ball to make sure he kept posession all the way through, which is why he didn’t see the 2nd foot land out of bounds, so he called TD. This is a mistake. No one saw Ben cross the goal line with the ball…total crap call, guy who lives in Pennsylvania.

  36. sweetnlow310 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:39 PM

    Well I sure hope Goodell got permission from his boss, Rooney, before they went forward with this call!

  37. GrandsoOfCoach says: Oct 28, 2010 7:40 PM

    @Brobokil — applying points after the fact is ridiculous either as a make up for bad calls or rationalizing why your team should have won. Strategy and play calling change based on the score. The Vikes reversed TD came in the 2ND QUARTER. The entire second half of the game would have changed if the Vikes went up 21-14 instead of 17-14. No way to guess who would have won. Also don’t forget your Vikes were leading even after the reversed TD call and had a whole 2nd half to build on that lead. Instead Favre and the team imploded. Every team gets bad calls (Packers, Vikes, LIONS, etc.). Your team had the lead and the chance to overcome and they failed. That’s on your team not the refs.
    BTW, you can’t count the Packers bobbled ball in the end zone. Your coach didn’t challenge. That’s what the flag is for…so blame him.

  38. rarson says: Oct 28, 2010 7:42 PM

    Wow, an “unprecedented” conference call? That will SURELY fix all the officiating problems!
    “Application of the replay rules, though done accurately by referee Gene Steratore, created a sense that the Fins had been screwed.”
    They HAD been screwed. A line judge that has no sight of the football whatsoever should not be calling for a touchdown.
    “And then there was referee Scott Green’s boneheaded reversal via replay review of Visanthe Shiancoe’s touchdown reception in the same game.”
    Except it wasn’t a touchdown. The ball moved in his hands, it was a trap.

  39. TD40 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:43 PM

    Btw, though the Steelers/Miami “recovery in the end zone” topic has been beaten to death, I think that just as big of a ridiculous goof was the TD call for Roethlisberger. What I mean, specifically, is that when Ben lurched forward toward the goal line, his back was to the official who signaled a TD. All that ref would have been able to see is Ben’s back (and definitely NOT the ball itself). He saw Ben’s back, and then he saw the ball bouncing past Ben… and yet he called it a TD. He had no clue what *actually* happened, but instead of deferring to an official who *did* have a view of the ball, he just threw his hands in the air to signal TD. Cute, huh?
    Seeing the play but getting the call wrong is one thing. Not seeing the play but making the call is grounds for getting your ass canned, IMO. If refs are just gonna make shit up, let ‘em coach high school football, where there aren’t zillions of dollars at stake and zillions of fans to piss off with their incompetence.

  40. hdahs143 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:43 PM

    Ditch the replay system. I will live with human error at real speed. In an effort to improve football, it is being ruined. Sad

  41. 2000TJ says: Oct 28, 2010 7:44 PM

    Chiggs says:
    Carl Johnson is horrible on television. His explanation to Rich Eisen about the Vikings/Packers game was awful and he ended his stupid explanation with “so we’re just gonna keep doing it that way.”
    ————————
    Word! They REALLY need a better media guy than that. OMG that guy is bad! I am sure he is smart of knowledgable, but man his answers with that horrible voice were making me squirm.

  42. mr.bozojones says: Oct 28, 2010 7:56 PM

    Do away with instant replay. Missed calls I can live with, shit happens. Missed replays are infuriating. Except for inconclusive views, they should be almost 100% correct. It ain’t working out that way. On a side note, all replays are viewed in real time by the bigwigs and supervisors in New York. When the replay ref dons the headset and views the replay at the game, put him in contact with an officiating supervisor in New York. GET IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!! No more mea culpas on Tuesday or Wednesday.

  43. nicewolf64 says: Oct 28, 2010 7:56 PM

    it does seem to me that most of the bad calls are called by the official closest to the play. just switch to the college system. officials are blowing so many calls this season that teams shouldnt be limited to a max of 3 challenges. some of these games seem to have 3 screwups in a single qtr.

  44. J says: Oct 28, 2010 7:56 PM

    Day late dollar short….It’s about time.

  45. Unpopular Truth says: Oct 28, 2010 8:02 PM

    LOL! Florio’s still crying like a baby about the call that correctly disallowed Shiancoe’s trap of the football in the endzone? Anyone with a DVR and frame advance knows he clearly didn’t have both hands wrapped around the ball until after he landed on it and rolled over. Get over it! Just how much money did you lose on that game, Florio???

  46. Unpopular Truth says: Oct 28, 2010 8:03 PM

    LOL! Florio’s still crying like a baby about the call that correctly disallowed Shiancoe’s trap of the football in the endzone? Anyone with a DVR and frame advance knows he clearly didn’t have both hands wrapped around the ball until after he landed on it and rolled over. Get over it! Just how much money did you lose on that game, Florio???

  47. NationalFelonLeague.com © says: Oct 28, 2010 8:04 PM

    Part time officials give part time results.

  48. GrandsoOfCoach says: Oct 28, 2010 8:05 PM

    Florio. I’d encourage you to look back at the Vikes TD/no-TD call closely. Because there was a reason the replay official thought it should be reversed. I figured the official saw something on film so I was curious to see what it might have been. If you watch the player falling the tip of the ball is pointing straight down with his hands about in the middle of the ball. As the player nears the ground, the tip remains pointed straight down and hits the ground. Now watch the players hands, they remain in the same “grasping the ball” position until his hands touch the ground. If the ball didn’t move, then the tip of that ball is either buried 4″ into the turf or it’s a Nurf football where the tip of the football can compress 4″. (The tip disappears, but the hands don’t change position). Watch further. Shortly after the player’s hands reach the ground they NOW tuck under and flatten before he rolls over them– probably to re-secure the trapped ball. By the laws of physics I’d say the ground aided in the catch.

  49. Little Tommy says: Oct 28, 2010 8:10 PM

    Maybe it’s not the refs. Maybe this freakin’ game is just becoming too damn complicated. We’re citing rules from appendix (a) of subchapter 7 of volume 4 of edition 3 of the No Fun League rulebook. How about the call on Detroit that cost them a win against the Bears…very strange indeed. It’s not enough to just catch the damn ball anymore. Now you need to control it thru 60 seconds of frame by frame by frame replay from 5 different camera angles, and then after that’s over you get to NBCee it…gimme a break. The game was never intended to be monitored by all this technology. Of course refs will make mistakes but THEY’RE PART OF THE GAME!

  50. Viper21 says: Oct 28, 2010 8:22 PM

    The fish got hooked period. They were robbed a win. Clear fumble. First guy on it was a Dolphin…. same dolphin came up with it… What part of that was not conclusive…?? idiots…

  51. Steeler-lady says: Oct 28, 2010 8:22 PM

    I wish they did use the replay to fix shit then they could of went back and seen the illegal contact in the open field for Hines Wards would be TD! Then all this bs about the fumble recovery wouldnt be talked about…… (the whistle had blown so everyone stopped goin for the ball so really dont know who would of gotten it) Then if they had determined the Steelers got it ..it would of been a TD and the Fins would of been pissed and said Ben was down b4 the ball came out…. its a neverending fkn story……….blah blah blah

  52. FactNotOpinion says: Oct 28, 2010 8:23 PM

    come on! if the refs clean up their acts on sundays, philip rivers won’t be able to entertain us with his temper tantrums:
    http://philipriversface.blogspot.com/

  53. HarrisonHits says: Oct 28, 2010 8:29 PM

    After they penalized that poor Cowboys linemen who accidentally fell to the ground for celebrating, I saw multiple TDs this weekend where the player went to the ground and the officials didn’t say sh*t.
    NFL officials are awful. They often don’t get even the most basic things correct. And until they make them full time, year round employees that have to spend the offseason studying film, they will continue to suck.

  54. jennstergerscellphone says: Oct 28, 2010 8:46 PM

    For anyone that say Gene Steratore was “for the Steelers” seems to forget the three holding calls he pinned on the Steelers IN A ROW!
    People are so damn stupid, given Seratores tenure in the league, he must make between $80,000 and $105,000 per year. I don;t think he is going to jeopardize his job to see his “home team” win.

  55. Kisstherings says: Oct 28, 2010 8:51 PM

    re: “Application of the replay rules, though done accurately by referee Gene Steratore, created a sense that the Fins had been screwed. ”
    ———–
    The Fins were screwed Florio. Though Gene Steretore might have been by the book as far as what he could do under the hood of the replay booth – bottom line is there is NO reason he should have turned around to the crowd prematurely and signaled a touchdown on a potential goal line fumble when there was still a scrum going on. That was ridiculous. I’m a Pats fan and hate the Fins….but I cringe every time I see the replay of that idiot turning around and signalling TD to the crowd…..like he couldn’t keep them in suspense for 5 seconds while the play is still going on behind him. He is an idiot.

  56. madmike says: Oct 28, 2010 8:53 PM

    Two quick solutions to this problem:
    1) Hire professional refs. No more of this part-time crap. None of these refs depend on this job for a living, and so none of them have the proper incentive to make these games their priority. The refs aren’t focusing on the games during the week, they are focusing on their lawyer jobs.
    2) Take the replay off the field, and move it into the office. Why ask the ref to go under the hood? All you end up with is a slew of different interpretations. Instead, wire the replay back to headquarters, and have a static crew of trained replay officials make every replay call. the same small crew = consistent application of replay standards. Think it’s far fetched? It’s what the NHL does for all it’s goal replays.

  57. Kisstherings says: Oct 28, 2010 8:58 PM

    @Unpopular Truth says:
    October 28, 2010 8:02 PM
    LOL! Florio’s still crying like a baby about the call that correctly disallowed Shiancoe’s trap of the football in the endzone? Anyone with a DVR and frame advance knows he clearly didn’t have both hands wrapped around the ball until after he landed on it and rolled over. Get over it! Just how much money did you lose on that game, Florio???
    ———————————————-
    The NFL has admitted they got that call wrong dude. Give it up. It was a TD.

  58. MrHumble says: Oct 28, 2010 9:08 PM

    Some of these comments are from some real idiots. As to the TD by the Packer TE that was an incomplete pass. It is immaterial if Childress challenged it or not…..the call by the official was wrong and that is part of what the NFL is having this conference call for. It is really asinine when officials use the replay to overturn a “corrent call on the field”….that speaks directly to the official (referee) NOT KNOWING THE RULES! As an aside, I find it hilarious that the NFL acknowledges the need for a conference call to clean up the officiating but yet they fine a coach bigtime for bringing the need to clean up officiating to their attention….Childress in this case. If the officials would’ve paid attention to who recovered the fumble in the steerlers/fins game we would know who would’ve won for sure; in the vikings/packers game it’s obvious that the vikings would’ve won as the two blown calls cost the vikings 14 pts.

  59. NFLGREEDLEAGUE says: Oct 28, 2010 9:12 PM

    Has anyone watched that Roethlisberger fumble
    live? It’s just really suspicious because the side judge didn’t run out nor signal TD until well after the fumble and most likely recovery. And the whistle didn’t blow until well into, if not at the end of the scrum. Shouldn’t the Head Ref determine the possession in each and every instance like this, just as a precaution?

  60. Cerberus says: Oct 28, 2010 9:14 PM

    This ought to cause all types of confusion amongst the officials. You have those like Mike Carey and Walt Coleman who throw games with bad calls with what appears to be the Leagues’ blessing. And now we have the League supposedly trying to coax their officials into being unbiased and honest?
    I have a better idea. Why not hire 3rd party officials that have no connection to the League office other than being employed and overseen by the League’s front office. No more “you can’t criticize our officials” mentality. I say let the 3rd party officials be interviewed so they have to face-the-music when they screw-up or throw a game like Larry Nemers.

  61. MrHumble says: Oct 28, 2010 9:18 PM

    Scott Green and Peter Morelli have both blown multiple games over the years, they have to rank as two of the worst referees in the NFL. The NFL is complicit in the problem, HOF headcoaches from 30 years ago claimed the problem was bad with officials and recommended that the NFL hire FULL TIME OFFICIALS. It is the ONLY major sport to not have full time officials but yet it is the biggest and richest sport in America! Full time officials would know to watch a play through completion as it regards the fumble in the Fins/Steelers game and they would also KNOW THE RULES when reviewing a play that was called correctly on the field with the Shiancoe TD catch.

  62. zod says: Oct 28, 2010 9:18 PM

    Can anybody tell what a catch is?

  63. Deb says: Oct 28, 2010 9:26 PM

    Call and urge them to make better calls. Yeah, that’ll fix everything. Gee, why didn’t they think of that five years ago? My goodness, that Roger Goodell … oooo he is so smart.
    As Little Tommy noted, the rules have become ridiculously complicated. The NFL, determined to slash payroll no matter what, wants to increase to 18 games with only the increase of a single player to the roster. And this multi-billion $ business refuses to consider hiring full-time officials that can spend hours watching film, doing physical training to enable them to keep up with the action, and training together as a cohesive unit working game simulations. Another option would be to have a booth-replay system similar to the NCAA’s, where we don’t … wait … endlessly while guys are under the hood.
    You could write more about these important issues instead of continuing to beat dead horses. Prematurely blowing a whistle was hardly the biggest screw-up of the weekend. Despite your snarkiness about his claim, the endzone camera showed Roethlisberger getting an arm around the ball in the fumbled ball just as the gang piled on. If the whistle hadn’t blown and everyone had continued to fight it out, it could as easily have been a Steelers TD as a Dolphins touchback.
    The ONE thing we know for certain is that Miami got the ball back with 2:30 on the clock and needed only to kick a field goal to win. They couldn’t even manage to drive into FG range … just like they couldn’t score six from the red zone all day. So spare us the constant whine about them getting screwed. Time to smoke the cigarette and call it a night.

  64. bruce campbells chainsaw hand says: Oct 28, 2010 9:57 PM

    MrHumble –
    So by your logic, every team that was screwed out of a touchdown and lost the game obviously would’ve won otherwise? Every team has blown calls go for and against them, it’s a human part of the game. Don’t act like the Vikings are the only team to get screwed out of touchdowns, because they’re not. You lost the game, get over it.
    The only thing that’s obvious is that you Viking fans whine louder than anyone else and feel justified in doing so. Your team is lousy, your coach is an idiot, and your QB is about to break apart. Hope you enjoyed last year, since the next few are gonna be rough.

  65. drewboyy says: Oct 28, 2010 10:08 PM

    “And then there was referee Scott Green’s boneheaded reversal via replay review of Visanthe Shiancoe’s touchdown reception in the same game.”
    Except it wasn’t a touchdown. The ball moved in his hands, it was a trap.
    -actually it wasnt in his hands, it was between his wrists. it wasnt between his hands until it hit the ground. good call. the quarless TD however was not a TD, but was never challenged. bad calls have become more and more prevalent the last few years and more and more games are being determined by the whistle (or no whistle) rather than the players. the NFL must be recognizing that fans are catching on and this “conference call” is purely for show. the only difference between the NFL and the NBA is that the NBA admitted they were “entertainment” rather than a true “sport”. they cant even spin it, these calls are happening right in front of the officials. just watch geno’s demeanor when announcing the call…looks like a kid with his hand caught in the cookie jar.

  66. MVPnis says: Oct 28, 2010 10:16 PM

    I dont understand why Holding isnt called on John Abraham EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
    Ive never seem a player so screwed by the refs before. If they called JA correctly, the Falcons would be undefeated and have the best Defense since the 2000 ravens.
    Seriously. Watch the games.

  67. LiveNBreatheFootball says: Oct 28, 2010 10:40 PM

    Full time officials won’t solve the problem. Dr. Z pointed this out repeatedly in his column. There just is not enough for them to do. You can only watch so much game tape a week or simulate so many games (with whom? risking player injury, not gonna happen).
    The only reason other sports have full time officials is because they play more times a week and have a longer season.
    What will solve this problem is not having all this exceptions to what is a catch. If it is in the player’s hand when he stops moving and the player is in bounds, it’s a catch. Ground help, other’s player body part, whatever. As long as the player is holding the ball when the whistle blows, it’s a catch.

  68. RagnarTheBloodAxe says: Oct 28, 2010 10:41 PM

    Just off of the top of my head, hear are some games that’s outcome was absolutely changed by bad officiating…
    Lions / Bears – Lions should have won.
    Vikings / Saints – Vikings should have won.
    Bills / Ravens – Bills should have won.
    Lions / Packers – Lions should have won.
    Dolphins / Steelers – Dolphins should have won.
    Lions / Eagles – Lions should have won.
    Vikings / Packers – Vikings should have won.
    I’m sure there are others but when the same few teams are constantly getting screw by the refs, and the same few teams are always getting help from the refs… it is disturbing to say the least.

  69. Mr$teve says: Oct 28, 2010 10:47 PM

    Scott Green is a douche

  70. greenmeattruck says: Oct 28, 2010 10:50 PM

    if officials are graded after every game, how the HELL does ed hochuli still have a job?

  71. Clock_Is_King says: Oct 28, 2010 10:55 PM

    Funny, we get a ton of entries regarding the James Harrison Rule over and over again for the last two weeks.
    That’s beating a dead horse.
    But this topic cannot get enough light.
    Refs blow calls all the time, and that is more devastating to sanctity of the game than hard hitting defenses!

  72. Blackn'Gold says: Oct 28, 2010 11:06 PM

    Incorrect, the teams that won should have won. When a coach starts counting on the officials to decide the win/loss record of his team then it’s time to get out of coaching. In essence he is saying that he nor his team have any control over the outcome of the game.
    Actually, the Dolphins call was the correct call. The guy didn’t come out of the pile until well after the whistle blew. Why didn’t the Dolphins score touchdowns in the first quarter when the ball was handed to them deep in Steelers territory? That would have decided the game. The Dolphins lost because they were outplayed. Live with it.
    Why doesn’t the league have a teleconference with itself about the direction they are taking this sport. And don’t tell me it’s for the greater good. It’s for the greater profit margin.
    GO STEELERS!

  73. Deb says: Oct 28, 2010 11:17 PM

    @RagnarTheBloodAxe …
    et tu, Jeff? End zone camera showed Ben pulling in the ball just before the Dolphins piled on. If not for that early whistle, it might just as well have been a Steelers TD on that fumble. And the Dolphins got the ball back with 2:30 to play needed only a field goal. They couldn’t even manage to drive into field-goal range.
    Aw, Jeff :”’

  74. StiffArm37 says: Oct 28, 2010 11:21 PM

    The Shiancoe play was NOT a catch. I don’t care what the VP of officiating says. He had the ball trapped between his wrists and when it hit the ground it came loose and bounced up into his chest. The only reason it didn’t pop out is because he smothered it with his body against the ground. And no, I’m not a Packers fan.
    It doesn’t matter who you fire or who you replace them with, the refs are going to get calls wrong. Look at Jim Joyce. He’s widely regarded as one of the best Umpires in MLB but he blows a call that’s right in front of his face. People make mistakes, it’s unavoidable.
    If the NFL wants more consistent officiating, they need to straighten out some of the language in the rule book and be more clear about some of the interpretations of those rules. I’m an unbiased observer and after the Shiancoe play I’m totally confused about the rule. I’m sure Scott Green is a little pissed about it.

  75. syge says: Oct 29, 2010 12:05 AM

    I love you idiots who seem to think the Steelers / Dolphins play occurred with 10 seconds left.
    Miami had well over two minutes to move the ball probably 30-40 yards to win the game, and they managed 4 yards in 4 plays.
    You think that that wasn’t enough time for the superior team to get into field goal range and win the game ?
    Or how about this, even if the call had gone Miami’s way, Pittsburgh has 3 timeouts, they could get the ball back with ~2:00 left in the game and march down the field and kick the winner.
    The bottom line is, Miami had 3 possessions that started inside Pittsburgh territory and didn’t score a single touchdown from them. The game could have been over within the first 10 minutes, but their offense blew it.
    Now if I were a Dolphins fan I would certainly feel like I got screwed…so I’m not going to hold it against any of them.
    But to say they didn’t have opportunities to win the game is laughable. They could have won in spite of the mistake but they laid an egg, and they could have never been in the situation in the first place but they missed easy chances.
    I honestly don’t understand why people just seem to think the game ended 10 seconds after that play.

  76. jusford says: Oct 29, 2010 12:46 AM

    All the talk about how a call changes the game. Well what would’ve happened if the ref didn’t blow the qick wistle on the 4th and 1 during the Packer game? He clearly had a 1st down.

  77. RagnarTheBloodAxe says: Oct 29, 2010 1:11 AM

    To…
    Packer fans claiming the Shianco’s obvious TD catch, wasn’t a TD catch.
    Steeler fans claiming what was obviously a fumble with a Dolphins recovery, was either not a fumble or was recovered by the Steelers.
    Bears fans claiming that Calvin Johnson’s obvious TD catch, wasn’t really a TD catch.
    WAKE UP. You are the problem. As long as the NFL can get you to believe that crap, they can pretty much get you to believe anything. In fact, I’d say that with so many different responses and explainations as to why something is not what it obviously is, how can any of ever be certain of anything football related???

  78. Gossamer says: Oct 29, 2010 8:32 AM

    “After further review, the Vikings still suck!!! Sad to see that the Steelers have EARNED the new name of “Refereelers”.

  79. overkil2 says: Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM

    “Steeler-lady says:
    October 28, 2010 8:22 PM
    I wish they did use the replay to fix shit then they could of went back and seen the illegal contact in the open field for Hines Wards would be TD! Then all this bs about the fumble recovery wouldnt be talked about…… (the whistle had blown so everyone stopped goin for the ball so really dont know who would of gotten it) Then if they had determined the Steelers got it ..it would of been a TD and the Fins would of been pissed and said Ben was down b4 the ball came out…. its a neverending fkn story……….blah blah blah

    1st off, the whistle did not blow. Ben said that a referee tapped him on the back and told him that he scored a TD. 2nd, the issue was the official calling it a TD in the first place when he was out of position. Had he called it a fumble, this whole thing would have been avoided. After the replay, if it was a TD, then it would have been corrected, ho harm no foul.
    Illegal contact on Ward? Those calls are not reviewable, but if you did, you’d be opening up a pandora’s box because then people would want to view the holding calls, etc.
    We can all agree that the officiating has been pretty pathetic this year.

  80. Deb says: Oct 29, 2010 12:06 PM

    @RagnarTheBloodAxe …
    Baby, just who do you think you’re talking to?? Did someone steal your name, Jeff, or do you need a whack in the head?? I’m not some wide-eyed girl in a pink Steelers shirt believing whatever the boys say that sounds good for my team. I know the rules, and I know what I saw with my own eyes.
    Watching the film from the vantage point of the line judge, the ball isn’t visible. It appears Ben crossed the plane with the ball in control. He signaled TD and blew the play dead. The only officiating mistake in that sequence was ending the play, which was supposed to continue until he had a good view of the ball. But it was an honest mistake.
    Roethlisberger had fumbled, and despite the whistle, everyone started scrambling for the ball. The END ZONE CAMERA FOOTAGE SHOWS Roethlisberger turn toward the ball, reach in, arc his arm around the ball, and pull it in just as the Dolphins players and everyone else piles on top of him. So the last visible possession before the pile up was PITTSBURGH.
    Then the ref told them it was a Pittsburgh TD. The Steelers started disengaging from the pile without continuing to fight for the ball. No one can know who would have had possession if that scrum had played out. NO ONE. It could have been a Dolphins touchback or a Steelers TD. For all ANYONE knows that whistle screwed us out of a TD.
    The mightly Dolphins got that ball back with 2:30+ to play needing only a field goal to win. And they couldn’t manage to get into field-goal range. The rest of you can pity the poor babies if you want. But DO NOT talk to me like I didn’t see what happened on that field and don’t understand the rules of the game.
    You big boys may not know that play ends when the whistle blows, but any Pee Wee player gets that EVERYTHING from that point forward is irrelevant speculation.

  81. footballrulz says: Oct 29, 2010 12:24 PM

    @ Ragnar
    Hey bud. I gotta tell you when the refs overturned that TD my mouth dropped open with disbelief and the spread into a huge grin. I knew the Pack had just been given one.
    Doesn’t mean the rest of the game would have played out the same as it did though. Fortunately, Chilly just outstupided MM Sun night. MM will get his chance to return the favor in a few weeks.
    Hey Deb ;)

  82. Deb says: Oct 29, 2010 7:34 PM

    Hey rulz ;)
    Tried to say hey about seven hours ago but guess I’m persona non grata today. Not one of my posts made it onto the board.

  83. rarson says: Oct 29, 2010 9:19 PM

    I’m not a Packers fan, Shiancoe’s catch obviously wasn’t a touchdown. He used the ground to secure the ball.

  84. shaggytoodle says: Oct 30, 2010 2:03 PM

    rarson says:
    October 29, 2010 9:19 PM
    I’m not a Packers fan, Shiancoe’s catch obviously wasn’t a touchdown. He used the ground to secure the ball.
    _______________________________
    Exactly as soon as the point hit the ground and he moved his hands hence a bobble or trap. If he would have came up with the ball in the same spot the Vikings could complain.

  85. .TLR says: Oct 31, 2010 2:54 AM

    It was pathetic how the officials called these games. The Steelers lost, the Vikings won, etc etc etc.
    ALL of these games determine playoffs and Super Bowls. If the officials blow the calls, then the game should be played over again. DO OVER! Everyone makes mistakes but those mistakes hold consequences. The game should be played again after the 16 games are played to determine a fair win-loss.

  86. Vikes-N-Favre says: Oct 31, 2010 10:07 PM

    Looks like those talks didn’t work. The officials were back to making some pathetic calls, mostly to which directly benefited the Green Bay Ass Packers. What a f’n surprise there (eyes rolling)
    I would say that all the officials that made horrible calls in any of the games today should be fired, but that would require the higher ups to step in and they are just as retarded as all the officials, so would it really make any sense?
    From Roger Goodell all the way down to the idiots that hold the first down markers, they are all useless, sad ass sacks of bones. In reality, you can’t fire the mentally challenged, so I guess that leaves Goodell and his band of retards off limits.

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