Report: Saints hiding fracture, torn meniscus in Brees' knee

nfl_brees.jpgEver since Saints quarterback Drew Brees suffered a knee “situation” on September 26 against the Falcons, rumors have circulated that it’s more than a little soreness.

Kenny Wilkerson of WIST radio in New Orleans recently reported, with a high degree of conviction and passion, that Brees has a fracture and a torn meniscus in the knee.

Wilkerson cites an “impeccable source,” and he claims that the information is “100 thousand-trillion-million percent” accurate.

Wilkerson also claims that, at times, the pain is causing Brees to make mistakes when calling or executing plays, citing unnamed sources in the offensive huddle.

Though we have no knowledge to confirm or debunk that information, Wilkerson’s suggestion that Brees will need “microfracture” surgery to repair the “fracture” gives us pause.  Though I’m no doctor (and every current or future medical patient in the world should be happy about that), I don’t think “microfracture” surgery is used to repair “small fractures.”

That said, the question isn’t the treatment but the condition.  And if Wilkerson’s information is accurate, the Saints would be the latest team to cover up an injury through the end of the season, at which time Brees would have surgery without any sanction for hiding the condition.

As long as Brees doesn’t talk about the injury over and over and over and over again.

83 responses to “Report: Saints hiding fracture, torn meniscus in Brees' knee

  1. I’m no doctor either, but I don’t believe that “microfracture” surgery is used to treat a fracture. My understanding is that “microfracture” surgery is a procedure in which the orthopaedic surgeon intentionally “fractures” one or more of the bones in the knee by drilling “micro” holes into it in order to induce bleeding & the formation of scar tissue. Why would they do that? Because the “padding” in the joint is destroyed to some extent and they want the scarring to form to provide some “padding” as opposed to bone-on-bone which would be extremely painful and contrary to the athletic endeavors of an NFL player. In other words, it’s not used to treat a fracture, but the loss of the meniscus and cartilage in the knee joint.
    But that’s just my lay understanding…I could be wrong!

  2. if brees practices during the week, the saints have no obligation to publicize the injury and it isnt against the injury report policies.

  3. Wilkerson is a malcontent who has been blacklisted by credible news organizations for allegedly releasing information like this (unverified, out of left field) on messageboards. He has zero access to the team, and my guess would be that his information is hearsay at best. The thought of someone from the “offensive huddle” speaking to KW and telling him this makes me laugh. I would view everything he says as questionable at best.

  4. Might as well be the first to say…
    MADDEN CURSE!
    Drew’s a great dude, hope he can play the rest of the year. This coming from a Packer fan.

  5. The fracture and torn meniscus “is causing Brees to make mistakes when calling or executing plays”.
    Calling plays? Might want to rephrase that one Mike.

  6. It’s the Curse of the NFC South meaning the Bucs will win the division as the last placed team from the prior year.
    It’s also the Madden Curse…

  7. Micro means very small. So compounded with the word “fracture”, I would assume that it means exactly that.

  8. Madden Curse at work again!
    Something clearly hasn’t been right with him this year. Hope he gets better.

  9. “impeccable source,” and he claims that the information is “100 thousand-trillion-million percent” accurate.
    Florio, Tim Brewster is NOT a good source on this.

  10. one more thing,How would Kenny W. know this?He cant even go on the Saints property…rumor by kenny..he’s pathetic

  11. Yeah, like the NFL wants last year’s SB MVP, and one of the great stories of the NFL, out for the season.
    They could “care less” (to quote Broadway Joe) about Drew’s knee. They care about ratings.

  12. Florio – You just quoted probably one of, if not the least credible media personality in New Orleans.

  13. I thought microfracture surgery’s name came from the fact that it actually intentionally fractures the bones in a player’s knee by drilling small holes, which then trick the joint into producing cartilage… or some such medical magic.

  14. Kenny Wilkerson may or may not be right, but Kenny Wilkerson is persona non grata with the Saints. He and Payton don’t get along, and Wilkerson looks for ways to put egg on Payton’s face. I don’t believe anything Wilkerson says until I see hard proof.

  15. Just putting this out there Kenny Wilkerson had his press pass pulled by the Saints and lost his job at WWL Radio for reporting lies and because of a pain killer addition so it is possible he is
    1.) self projecting
    2.) More likely – completely making this up to get even

  16. I guess he won’t be running at the Breeders Cup tomorrow. Really who cares if he lost his sack 2 months ago, as long as he is playing on Sunday what is the difference.

  17. Wilkerson can’t be trusted here. He’s the “villain” of the New Orleans media market, and his gimmick is trolling the Saints as a team and organization and spouting inflammatory bullcrap to get people riled up. Even if it is accurate, Wilkerson is such a polluted well that I’d need to hear it from someone who isn’t a mouth breathing moron before I believed it.

  18. This is likely about Kenny Wilkerson vs. Payton and not anything more I think. Wilkerson has a HUGE axe to grind and this is just another attempt by him to get at Payton.

  19. that torn meniscus and fracture really prohibited Brees from carving up the Bucs and the Steelers (sort of a good defense, ya think).
    Once again, non story.
    Ps. I’m currently covering up my hemorroid. Should I report it?

  20. Microfracture surgery is not done to repair a fractured bone. Instead, as MSWRavens said above, it is performed to stimulate cartilage growth in the knee. MSWRAvens explained the procedure very well, and obviously Kenny Wilkerson has gotten some bad info, or misinterpreted the info he received.

  21. on pace to throw a career high in picks and not the same QB he was a year ago. top of all that, injuries plauging a lost year for the eventual .500 new orleans saints thus missing the playoffs.
    can you say MADDEN CURSE?

  22. And not only is Kenny a joke, but I have a hard time believing Drew’s teammates would sell him out to a known hack — and also knowing that releasing injury information to the media would make them #1 on Payton’s hit list. What moron would do that for Kenny Wilkerson? No one on this Saints team that I can think of.

  23. “# MNSUX says: November 4, 2010 12:59 PM
    If only Brett Favre was as honorable as Drew Brees.”
    Nice sarcasm. And, if none was intended, some should have been.

  24. Florio,
    Seriously, do some research into Wilkerson and you’ll find out what a joke he is. He was actually a sideline reporter for the Saints flagship station who ended up getting shitcanned for routinely going on a fan message board in a pill-induced stupor and airing dirty laundry about the organization having to pay off a cheerleader that Jim Haslett impregnated during his coaching tenure.
    Now he’s been regulated to an AM station that’s the equivalent of broadcasting over cb radio where he rants his anti-Sean Payton, anti-Saints b.s. And now you’ve given this loser with a dream everything he hoped for: just a little bit of spotlight in his pathetic, miserable existence. The guy’s a worm and his “sources” exist only in his delusional head.

  25. Don’t buy it. Maybe he’s got some soreness or something is strained, but I’ve watched several Saints games this year and I don’t see Brees having any mobility issues at all. Brees’s issues this year are more with his head than his knees – and an underachieving o-line. Browns game may have been the best thing to happen to him because he certainly stepped up against the Steelers.

  26. “Wilkerson cites an “impeccable source,” and he claims that the information is “100 thousand-trillion-million percent” accurate.”
    —————————–
    Okay, if he’s “100 thousand-trillion-million percent” sure, but is still UNWILLING to go on the record, then it MUST be true !!!!!!

  27. Avrus says:
    November 4, 2010 12:51 PM
    I was wondering when the Madden curse was going to kick in.
    —–LOL, indeed. It’s inevitable.

  28. HIPPA – why can’t the media understand HIPPA – has no one in the media world been to the doctor in the last 3 years or so when the rule was instituted?
    Patient Confidentiality

  29. Ok so the Saints hide injury info and all people say is Madden curse.
    If this was the Pats doing this there would already be 100+ comments about how evil the Pats are. The fact that none of those people who criticize the Pats have said a think in response to this shows only that they are totally biased and anything they have to say about NE is valueless.
    It’s called a double standard for those of you I’m talking about. And by adhering to it you have zero credibility in anything you complain about.

  30. Wait a second….I distinctly remember Mark Schlereth going on and on this morning on the radio in New York about how Sean Payton would NEVER lie to or mislead the media, which is what made him such a tremendous coach and human being. Whereas the other coaches that lie to the media do so for no reason other than that they are bad people (there is no strategic advantage to lying to or misleading the media).
    This according to the insufferable Mark Schlereth.

  31. Edema in the bone is often read by a radiologist as a subchondral “fracture”. Edema can be a bruise or a stress fracture or irritation from a meniscus tear or irritation from loss of cartilage overlying the bone. If there is loss of cartilage causing the edema, it can be drilled, i.e. “microfracture” to try and get it to bleed and form scar tissue to “substitute” for the overlying missing cartilage. Most likely he doesn’t have a true fracture or he wouldn’t be playing on it (unlike avulsion fractures of the ankle that can be played on i.e. Favre).

  32. Florio, can you please clarify the rules on this? As long as team doctors have cleared Brees to start, why are the Saints required to disclose the details of his injury?

  33. jeffduncantp Jeff Duncan
    Not sure about report, but here’s what I do know: Brees has taken every practice snap, is playing w/o a brace & is the league’s No. 9 passer

  34. Kenny Wilkerson is a complete hack. He was banished by WWL870(radio of the saints) and the Saints. His “impeccable” source is prob the guy who knows a guy who knows a girl that does Brittany’s Brees nails. He cant even buy a hotdog in the superdome.

  35. # VikingMatador says: November 4, 2010 12:57 PM
    “Whats really the big deal in hiding injuries?”
    Well for starters, Goodell is so concerned with player safety this year he’s fining players just for hitting too hard. And here these guys are intentionally playing an injured player.., when they’re supposed to reporting these kinds of injuries to the league…
    Do you need a road map?

  36. Relentless says: November 4, 2010 1:24 PM
    It is what it is.. You cannot escape the curse.
    ‘Aint’s are done son.
    ====
    We’re 5-3. Brees allegedly suffered this injury in Week 3. But NOW we’re done? OK.

  37. Peter King on Twitter: “Have doubts about validity of Brees story. At practice 5 mins ago, knee-brace-less Brees kicked field goals. Hasn’t worn brace in a while.”
    Jeff Duncan from Times-Picayune on Twitter: “Not sure about report, but here’s what I do know: Brees has taken every practice snap, is playing w/o a brace & is the league’s No. 9 passer.”

  38. Hauschild says: November 4, 2010 1:18 PM
    “# MNSUX says: November 4, 2010 12:59 PM
    If only Brett Favre was as honorable as Drew Brees.”
    Nice sarcasm. And, if none was intended, some should have been.
    =====
    Brett Favre and honorable don’t belong in the same sentence.

  39. crubenst describes it pretty much perfectly. I have had microfracture and a meniscus transplant. They only do microfracture when there is no hope of repairing the meniscus, so unless Brees has had his knee scoped recently it is hard to say he needs the surgery. If his meniscus is torn that bad it would be slipping in and out of the joint, causing mobility problems. I developed arthritis 6 months after having 80% of my meniscus taken out after tearing on the football field. They would not mess around with this at all, they’d fix it, because it would essentially ruin his knee long term. You could tell if Brees had a severely torn meniscus; he’d barely be able to run or move laterally.

  40. BigEarl504 says:
    November 4, 2010 1:11 PM
    that torn meniscus and fracture really prohibited Brees from carving up the Bucs and the Steelers (sort of a good defense, ya think).
    Once again, non story.
    Ps. I’m currently covering up my hemorroid. Should I report it?
    ___________________________________
    What about Cleveland?

  41. MSWRaven has the description of microfracture surgery exactly right. I just had it. It is about a 6 week recovery period just to walk without pain never mind the rigors of the NFL. You can play through it up to a point depending on the extent of the tearing but it can be pretty painful.Hard to imagine being an NFL QB and doing it.

  42. The way he played in the second half against the Steelers, you would never know he was injured. It was like he was back in the Super Bowl again. In any case, I wish Drew the best. Only one more game until the bye, which I imagine is much needed.

  43. Both Jeff Duncan of the Times Picayune and Peter King of Sports Illustrated posted on their Twitter pages that Brees was at practice with no brace. Duncan said he was taking every snap and King said he saw Brees kick a field goal.
    As usual, Wilkerson is full of crap. Hopefully there’s a lawsuit and we can finally be rid of this misbegotten troll once and for all.

  44. If he does have an injury, I wish him well and respect him in that we’re not being beaten over the head with it like we would with Favre and ESPN.

  45. and in other news I might win the lottery this week,can’t confiem for sure but I feel real confident about it! how you get paid for just tossing stuff out there and why anyone believes you is beyond belief.

  46. Gotta respect Drew Brees, he doesnt use injuries as a ready made excuse for his failures like Favre and even my fave QB, Big Ben. He just goes to work. Sort of makes sense now, that terrible ballgame against the Browns was so uncharacteristic of him. He was probably using that game to learn how to play with the injury and it didnt turn out well.

  47. Everybody knows Kenny Wilkerson is a Bum. He is not allowed anywhere near the Saints Facility, nor is he allowed to have any contact with any players or staff. Is this the National Enquirer’s new website? Oh, look, Elvis is still alive and he’s married to an Alien and has little singing Alien Babies….. You sit on a thrown of lies Florio!

  48. Kenny Wilkerson? YOU’RE QUOTING EFFING KENNY WILKERSON??? This site has really stooped low.
    He’s Mr. “oh there’s something coming down the pipe, just trust me, something big, I can’t say what, or why, or who, or when, but trust me, something is going to happen.”
    I stopped listening to WWL when he was on the air because of all of these empty, no evidence statements that he makes from all of his “sources”. He never gives any evidence or support for the outrageous claims he makes. He always makes promises that he has information that no one else has, yet never says whatever the information is. IF YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS THEN SAY IT, GIVE SOME PROOF, ISN’T THAT WHAT JOURNALISM IS???
    What good is having a source if all you ever get from them turns out to be some veiled speculation in the public’s eyes?
    Florio, do yourself and your website a favor and never quote anything again from Kenny Wilkerson. If you do you’ll be posting a lot of “maybe’s” and “what ifs” all the time with all of the speculation he provides from his “sources”. Do some research on him and you’ll see this isn’t his first go ’round with making FACTUAL CLAIMS about things that are just pure speculation.

  49. MIKE…Saints Injury Report 11/4..
    please read bottom of The injury report
    jeffduncantp:
    Sean Payton said RB Reggie Bush practiced for the first time today since fracturing his fibula in Week 2. He’s listed as limited.
    Payton said he expects both starting CBs Jabari Greer & Tracy Porter to play vs. Carolina on Sunday, barring unforseen setbacks.
    Payton said Garrett Hartley returned to practice but RT Jon Stinchcomb missed his 2nd day of workouts. Zach Strief is working in his place.
    Payton said the report on Brees’ knee is “inaccurate…. completely false.”
    —————————————————————————————-

  50. You knew it was coming with some big face of the NFL….
    Someone has to be Favre when (or if) there’s ever no Favre.

  51. 1) I love how people trust head coaches to give accurate injury information
    2) I’m sure this guy is full of it, but then again, look at how off the saints have been. Look at Brees knee injury.
    3) Too many of you are arguing semantics. If he said a meniscus is torn and it will eventually need microfracture because he’s playing on it torn, that make sense. Ignore the fracture part; we all know he’s not a medical doctor and probably got his circuits crossed.

  52. Here’s Payton’s official response to the rumor;
    Coach Sean Payton denied that QB Drew Brees has a fracture and torn meniscus in his left knee. Payton said a published report about supposed injury was totally inaccurate. “It’s not right,” Payton said. “Completely false. This week, he’s without the brace, sleeve or anything.” A league source said Brees laughed when he heard the report.
    Nice try Floratio…just remember…Saints won!!

  53. goboys82 says:
    November 4, 2010 2:01 PM
    BigEarl504 says:
    November 4, 2010 1:11 PM
    that torn meniscus and fracture really prohibited Brees from carving up the Bucs and the Steelers (sort of a good defense, ya think).
    Once again, non story.
    Ps. I’m currently covering up my hemorroid. Should I report it?
    ____________________ _______________
    What about Cleveland?
    goboys82 what about Cleveland?
    Terrible game jut like Arizona…
    What about being #3 in Passing yards and #8 in QB Rating (92.6) and #1 in Completion Percentage (70.7). Bad game with alot of injuries and bad play by several people.
    Could it be true possibly but not sure 1 game becomes the proof. Incidentally, last year he threw 3 INT’s against Miami (58.9 Rating) – guess the MCL was injured then too right?

  54. MNSUX says:
    November 4, 2010 12:59 PM
    If only Brett Favre was as honorable as Drew Brees.
    —————-
    If only people could comment on a post without mentioning the name Brett Favre.

  55. Somewhere Vikings Fans are outraged because Drew is cheating and they wished he was hurt in the NFC Championship game.
    SKOL schisms

  56. Official_Saints
    @drewbrees reiterated he is fine. Entertained media with a few jumping jacks & high knees. Said he could drop kick 40 yds.

  57. Official_Saints:
    @drewbrees reiterated he is fine. Entertained media with a few jumping jacks & high knees. Said he could drop kick 40 yds.

  58. # Wukong says: November 4, 2010 2:14 PM
    Both Jeff Duncan of the Times Picayune and Peter King of Sports Illustrated posted on their Twitter pages that Brees was at practice with no brace. Duncan said he was taking every snap and King said he saw Brees kick a field goal.
    As usual, Wilkerson is full of crap. Hopefully there’s a lawsuit and we can finally be rid of this misbegotten troll once and for all.
    __________________________________
    I am not a” sue everybody” person, in fact HATE that mentality that now permeates this country, but that is absolutely DISGUSTING of that guy to spread lies like that when it could ruin people’s careers and lead to fines. I hope the Saints put this guy out of business FOREVER.
    Also I am 100% behind any coach who lies to protect his players anyway. I don’t care about the effing injury report. Gambling blah blah blah. So what? A coach should be able to protect his players by not letting opponents have clues to their weaknesses and any rule that circumvents that I have utter contempt for.

  59. You guys need to do an update on this. Both Payton and Brees deny the report. Payton might be sketchy when it comes to being open about injuries, but Brees wouldn’t blatantly lie in my opinion. Also, reporters who are actually allowed on the premises at the Saints’ facility like Jeff Duncan and Peter King expressed doubt because they witnessed Brees in action in practice and he looks fine.

  60. Pretty sure you can’t take someone too seriously when they say their information is “100 thousand-trillion-million percent” accurate.
    Is this guy in 4th grade or something?

  61. Brees is fine – he was even doing dropkicks for the press at practice today lol
    Wilkerson, as others have said, should never ever be used as a source for anything Saints related.
    For those who mention the Browns game as proof that Wilkerson maybe right, I think that the reason why his game was somewhat off had a lot more to do with the fact that Brees became the father of a second son five days before that game, and anyone who has just gotten a new baby knows it takes a few days before everything gets all back to normal again.

  62. The Madden curse is legit. I’m not superstitious or anything but what the f*ck is going on here?

  63. I’m still trying to understand why the team would be required to disclose Brees’s injuries. As long as he’s cleared to start, what difference does it make if he has an undisclosed fracture?
    Of course, it would make a difference if you were betting on the game. But I don’t think NFL teams should have to make disclosures about players’ health–which could have a competitive impact on the game–to accommodate gambling interests. So unless the league is … um … in league with Vegas & Atlantic City, why is disclosure an issue???

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