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Downtown L.A. stadium could be ready by 2015

With Ed Roski ready to break ground on a new “if they come, we will build it” stadium in City of Industry, California, a rival project in downtown Los Angeles could be gaining some steam.

Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times reports that AEG’s Tim Leiweke plans to seek an environmental exemption, like the one that Roski’s people obtained in order to short-circuit lawsuits that threatened the process.  It’s tangible proof that the project is moving forward.

Leiweke also said that a privately-financed, $1 billion facility would be a candidate to host the 2016 Super Bowl, which will be the 50th edition of sports’ marquee event.  (The league would have to approve a waiver of the requirement that a facility be in existence for at least one year before hosting the championship game.)

It sounds as if, at least for now, the NFL is on board with the project.  “Roger Goodell is aware of what we’re doing,” Leiweke said.  “We follow the lead of Roger
and the league as to what we can and cannot say, and what we can and
cannot do, and what we can and cannot expect.”

Our pal Brooks, who has his finger on the pulse of the situation in Southern Californina, is skeptical that the stadium would be privately-financed, or that it would cost only $1 billion.

Either way, it looks like there soon will be two viable stadium projects, which means that the NFL will be able to leverage one against the other in the hopes of securing the best possible deal.

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  1. jj jones says: Nov 5, 2010 12:48 PM

    Again? We’ve been hearing the same story for 20 years.

  2. St8_Ca$h_Homey says: Nov 5, 2010 12:51 PM

    Welcome to the Jungle! LA Vikings baby!

  3. dvh1000 says: Nov 5, 2010 12:52 PM

    L.A. Raiders

  4. nitschkesghost@1265 says: Nov 5, 2010 12:53 PM

    The house that Ziggy built! Hello L.A. Vikings.
    Bankrupt franchise heading to a bankrupt state. Classic.
    Happy 50th Viqueens!

  5. Trojanman58 says: Nov 5, 2010 12:54 PM

    So which franchise will it be? The L.A. Bills or L.A. Jaguars? It won’t matter, after five years the L.A. fans will become bored and the new billion dollar stadium will go empty.

  6. Tinbender says: Nov 5, 2010 12:55 PM

    If they build it, no fans will come.

  7. brownsfn19 says: Nov 5, 2010 12:58 PM

    So the jaguars or bills will be done in 2014???

  8. Floriostoupee says: Nov 5, 2010 12:58 PM

    ……and you feel the need to include the Vikings in your tags. Why? Anyone with the tiniest bit of football knowledge knows that the Vikings are not moving anywhere. The NFL knows that some of their highest rated games, whether it is Sunday, Sunday night or Monday night are the Vikings-Green Bay/Chicago rivalry games.
    If not for those type games, it still most likely would not happen. They would not move a team with a fan base as strong as it is in Minnesota. Now before people start to jump and scream about playoff games not being sold out without an extension, you gotta remember that they were in fact sold out. There are many other teams, the Chargers, the Raiders, the Jaguars that are unable to sell out a regular season game and it would be those teams that are most likely candidates for LA, not the Vikes.
    Go ahead conspiracy theorists, especially you Florio, come up with a sound argument against anything I have said.

  9. Chester Copperpot says: Nov 5, 2010 1:00 PM

    So….if both are built only one will get a team? Then what happens to the other stadium? It will just be a waste of time and $$$? Thats a waste!

  10. Ilovefoolsball says: Nov 5, 2010 1:01 PM

    Awesome! So the Vikings will be in L.A. soon?
    I gotta say, last year with the Saints winning the superbowl after they picked off Favre was a special season, but the collapse of the vikings and Favre and now the news that they might actually be moving out of Minnesota to L.A. has really made this year a special one as well.
    SKOL TWO WIN TEAM!!!
    Pervy? Robert Ethen? Viking Princess? Paulitik? Where art…thou??

  11. Profanity in ALL CAPS says: Nov 5, 2010 1:02 PM

    California is in debt $136 billion. And it’s only going to get much, much worse.
    Have fun with that. I hope when they eventually go bankrupt and ask for states to bail them out, they get a giant middle finger.

  12. Helix says: Nov 5, 2010 1:03 PM

    Wonderful! As a long suffering Bengals fan, LA meet Mike Brown. Mike, meet LA. As Bogart never said, “I think this could be the beginning of a beautiful long-screwing of a whole new fan base.”

  13. paoconno says: Nov 5, 2010 1:04 PM

    Like I said before, I doubt the Vikings will move to L.A. after lease expires in 2011…only to play in the Colisseum for three years.
    While it’s history is amazing, from a revenue standpoint, the Colisseum makes the Metrodome look like Apple stock.

  14. benh999 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:05 PM

    I can only begin to imagine how the Vikes would capitalize on the debauchery opportunities in Industry. It would make that cruise in Lake Minnesota look like a boy scouts’ fishing trip.

  15. cusoman says: Nov 5, 2010 1:05 PM

    I can’t wait to see this all fail. How many California team blackouts will it take to convince these people that it’s just not a viable business in L.A. right now?

  16. buckeyeboy says: Nov 5, 2010 1:07 PM

    the L.A. Vikings!!

  17. Citizen Strange says: Nov 5, 2010 1:09 PM

    It should not seat more than 65k or it won’t sell out.
    Heinz Field is 65,050.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Field
    50k to 55k would be even better. Make your money on the luxury boxes. Nobody likes to see 20k empty seats and local blackouts every home game.

  18. Macleod says: Nov 5, 2010 1:10 PM

    Before people go off the deep end and start calling for the L.A. Vikings, let’s count the number of teams that can’t sell out their stadium and have zero fan support. Jacksonville, San Diego, Buffalo, let’s start there.

  19. damnvarmint says: Nov 5, 2010 1:11 PM

    Can the Bills wait that long to leave Buffalo?

  20. CJ SPILLER says: Nov 5, 2010 1:11 PM

    Ok, waiting for all the idiots to say something about the Bills. This just in……..the Bills are not going anywhere!!!

  21. Mangy66 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:13 PM

    Great…that gives Jerrah enough time to pawn that giant TV screen to someone in Dallas before he makes the move to a real city.

  22. Landon says: Nov 5, 2010 1:16 PM

    Fire Brad Childress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. lanjoith says: Nov 5, 2010 1:18 PM

    It won’t be the Chargers. LA is Raider country and they hate the Bolts. Plus SD hates LA and most fans will disown the Chargers if they move north and will no longer support the team. It will be the Vikings.

  24. Chester Copperpot says: Nov 5, 2010 1:21 PM

    The Vikings are not moving. New Republican governor in MN cites the economy as a must fix however without the Vikings in MN the economy in the Twin Cities would be drastically hit. So in this case to make money you need to spend money. Look at the Twins’ Target Field. Pretty much EVERY game was sold it. It wasnt so much because its the Twins but because of the novelty of having such an amazing stadium to watch the game in.

  25. btg19 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:25 PM

    I’ll say it again: Anyone who cheers for a franchise to move and rubs it in the face of the threatened team’s fans is pure scum.
    Tiny, petty, little b*tches.

  26. CYGNUS X-1 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:25 PM

    nobody outside of l.a. cares florio,and since they did not support the 2 teams they had before I doubt most people in l.a. care. I predict if they ever do get another team there,you will be talking about games being blacked out within 5 years.

  27. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 1:26 PM

    Floriostoupee says:
    November 5, 2010 12:58 PM
    Go ahead conspiracy theorists, especially you Florio, come up with a sound argument against anything I have said.
    =================
    Fervent fan base is irrelevant. Sold out games are irrelevant. It’s the stadium, stupid.
    Ask the fans of the original Cleveland Browns what a sold out stadium full of rabid fans gets you when you refuse to build a new stadium with more luxury suites.
    The luxury suites generate the cash, your stadium ain’t got em, Zig wants em, LA will have em.
    Every owner in the league will take 300 luxury suites full of millionaires who could care less about the game over 50,000 screaming die hards buying regular seats anytime.
    If that doesn’t mesh with your idealistic vision of a league that cares about the average Joe, I’m sorry to shatter your illusions.

  28. MightyMightyLAFootball says: Nov 5, 2010 1:26 PM

    1) The City of Industry isn’t downtown – it’s way out in the San Gabriel Valley (nobody lives there – it’s a ‘city’ of business parks, porn studios and warehouses. Total residential population: 777 people)
    2) Californians are in no mood to pony up any cash for a new stadium (largest state debt in the nation, by a country mile)
    3) Bills/Jags/Vikes/et al just use the threat of moving to L.A. to get their local idiot politicians to do their bidding, “or else!”
    4) “follow(ing) the lead of Roger and the league …” is what other idiot cities do, when they just can’t wait to hand over land/stadiums/etc. to mega-rich team owners and the NFL…L.A. let that ship sail a looooong time ago.

  29. midwest says: Nov 5, 2010 1:28 PM

    @Macleod…
    Check your facts. The Jaguars attendance is just fine!
    Another moron chimes in who doesn’t know the facts!
    1) The Jaguars had one bad year of attendance in the worst economy since the Great Depression.
    2) The Jaguars signed a lease extension to remain in Jacksonville until 2030.
    3) The Jaguars have not had a gmae blacked out this year. The Bucs on the other hand, had only 36k people at their last game.
    4) The Jaguars just signed a deal with a stadium sponsor. That is indicative of a team moving????
    4) Teams move because of stadium issues, not attendance issues. Look it up. It is a historical FACT.
    So stop with the Jaguar moving BS, and your completely FALSE notion that the Jaguars have zero fan support. Again, they had one year with attendance issues.
    Check your self, moron.

  30. XSPROLESIVE says: Nov 5, 2010 1:30 PM

    I’d rather have the Traiders or the Chargers come to L.A. than the Vikings. The Chargers WERE in L.A. first, they won the championship (what was then considered the super bowl) when it still just the AFL. Maybe that’s what they need to brake the super bowl curse.

  31. JimmySmith says: Nov 5, 2010 1:30 PM

    Its a match made in heaven. Brad Childress is a pseudoIntellectual with zero common sense so he will fit right in with the California politicians.
    BrINT has stayed well past his welcome, similar to other Hollywood stars.
    Jared Allen is all talk, no follow thru, perfect for the Southern California fans which claim to want an NFL team but never buy enough tickets once they get one. In that respect, its exactly the same as Minnesota except the Viking top management has the local corporations on speed dial to avoid blackouts.

  32. HolyMoly says: Nov 5, 2010 1:32 PM

    Yep, it’s going to be the L.A. Vikings. Being an L.A. resident, I’m okay with this, at long as….
    A. The Vikings get rid of Brett Favre
    B. The Vikings get rid of Brad Childress

  33. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 1:33 PM

    lanjoith says:
    November 5, 2010 1:18 PM
    It won’t be the Chargers. LA is Raider country and they hate the Bolts. Plus SD hates LA and most fans will disown the Chargers if they move north and will no longer support the team. It will be the Vikings.
    ===================
    I love when people use the “fans won’t do this, and the fans don’t like that” arguments when discussing what team will move where.
    A new LA stadium would be loaded hundreds of luxury suites which will be filled up with business and entertainment industry big wigs who will pay exorbitant prices and not give a crap what is going on down on the field.
    Every owner stuck in a crappy stadium right now will want that, and they won’t give a damn what kind of football fans live there.
    So if you’re banking on “Charger fans won’t go there, and LA fans don’t like the Chargers” to save San Diego as an NFL town, you’re whistling past the graveyard, my friend.

  34. anthony says: Nov 5, 2010 1:34 PM

    There is not a Market for the Vikings… The LA/Oakland Raiders would be the perfect fit for a market known for winners…
    Yes Winners, The Raiders were the Only team that have won a SB in LA and the City LOVES The Raiders…
    When Moss came to the Raiders a few yrs back u should have seen the #18 Jerseys flock around the LA City.. You saw them @ the Lakers Game, Dodgers Game, Clippers Games etc…
    The Raiders are all-over LA, The Viking Fans would have a long travel to LA to watch them cause I’ll tell you Know The vikings would not work..
    The Chargers wouldn’t even work.

  35. vikingsbammer says: Nov 5, 2010 1:36 PM

    it wont be the vikings. the league isnt that dumb they know all of our other teams moved and saw how it impacted the fanbases. the vikings always sell out and have never been blackedout in my life. 19 years that means. So why would they move a team that sells out, when teams like the jaguars, and bills cant even sell out a home opener. it will not and can never be the LA vikings. If it is the nfl will lose hundreds of millions in revenue and they dont wanna do that. Also they have tried things in La the only thing that works is the lakers…which by the way they took away from MN. the league wont wanna lose that revenue so it wont be the vikings. Also for those who say well thats only because local radio and companies bought the rest of the vikings tickets, remember this money is money the nfl doesnt care if i buy the ticket or some company buys it, either way they get the money. And hell that shows how much companies think the vikings are important to the vikings. Look at the jags and bills their cities are much larger than twin cities and yet their businesses dont buy out tickets. no they say why should we they dont help us at all. That is why you will see LA Bills or La Jaguars, im leaning towards Toronto Bills and LA Jaguars.

  36. Doc Fluty says: Nov 5, 2010 1:37 PM

    its not downtown its in the COI. and anyone form los angeles (like me) will tell you that thata drive from COI to downtown after a game will take you at least an hour to get there.
    we’re in la… the home of going for 4 or 5 miles and hour on the freeway…
    as a chiefs fan.. i can say with no biased opinions… if i HAD to see a team come here.. and if i did WANT a team to come here (i do)…. heres my preferences in order
    oakland
    sd
    jax
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    minn
    buf
    min and buf are old school nfl… .ike cleveland not having the browns. No one outside (or inside jax) cares if they leave. the raiders make the most sense because they have a big fan base here, have been here and would remain in the afc WEST.. and the same things can be said about the chargers

  37. H2TrottsPart2 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:40 PM

    Macleod,
    Since when have the Bills had a hard time selling out? We have had a bad product for too long now and still sell-out every game. This is the first year we face potential blackouts.
    Check yourself idiot

  38. Dapollock says: Nov 5, 2010 1:42 PM

    Two thoughts: One: Not that they are comparable, but it would be idiotic to think they’re going to have a stadium built out there before the WTC buildings in NYC are complete. They’ve only had a 10 year head start, but what the hell.
    Second, if you really want a cluster-F, have the Bills, Jags, Vikes and Raiders relocate there at the same time….. 4 teams, one stadium. Talk about rivalry!

  39. Dogsweat says: Nov 5, 2010 1:43 PM

    L.A. is a Raider Town…..
    Raiders Return in 2014..

  40. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 1:43 PM

    midwest says:
    November 5, 2010 1:28 PM
    ??
    4) Teams move because of stadium issues, not attendance issues. Look it up. It is a historical FACT.
    =====================
    Yes, and the “stadium issue” is usually tied to luxury suites.
    The new stadium in Dallas has 300. The new stadium in LA will have at least that many.
    Does your stadium have that many? Ummm…..no. EverBank Stadium has 75.
    And the team in LA will be able to charge many times more money for theirs than you can for yours.
    So if you multiply 75 x whatever you can charge in Jax, and compare that to 300 x whatever you can charge in LA, I think you can see where this is heading.
    And I won’t even get into TV market size, which may not mean much to you but means a whole lot to the NFL.
    Maybe you should check your own self.

  41. H2TrottsPart2 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:44 PM

    vikingsbammer, you are delusional.
    The Toronto Bills experiment has gone terribly wrong north of the border. Even the Canadiens prefer the Bills in Buffalo and have not supported the inflated ticket prices, no atmosphere/tailgaiting, amongst much more that the city of Toronto brings to NFL.
    Watch your Vikings games now, they wont be around much longer!

  42. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 1:44 PM

    MightyMightyLAFootball says:
    November 5, 2010 1:26 PM
    1) The City of Industry isn’t downtown – it’s way out in the San Gabriel Valley (nobody lives there – it’s a ‘city’ of business parks, porn studios and warehouses. Total residential population: 777 people)
    ============
    You missed the entire point of the article. The article is about a plan being formulated for a downtown stadium that would RIVAL the City of Industry plan.
    Happy to clear that up for you.

  43. PossibleCabbage says: Nov 5, 2010 1:45 PM

    Why is everybody talking about the Vikings, Bills, and Jaguars? Aren’t the 49ers, Raiders, and Chargers still on the table?
    San Diego is already the closest team to Los Angeles already has a lot of fans in LA, plus Qualcomm is ancient and San Diego is not so far away from LA that Chargers fans couldn’t follow their team.
    The Bay Area doesn’t need two teams, both Candlestick and the Coliseum are old and outdated to the point that there’s no way they could bring in as much revenue as they could in LA. Hell, the Raiders were in LA as recently as 15 years ago.
    I think the NFL would very much prefer to bring a west coast team to Los Angeles since that would avoid having to rearrange divisions down the road. An LA team should not be playing in the NFC North or the AFC East under any circumstances.

  44. MkePackFan says: Nov 5, 2010 1:45 PM

    If you build it, they will come…maybe…and if they do, they’ll arrive midway thru the 2nd & leave at the end of the 3rd.

  45. jimmySee says: Nov 5, 2010 1:45 PM

    Downtown makes way more sense for an LA stadium.
    LA has a decent public trans network that could actually get ordinary folks downtown for Sunday games.
    USC or UCLA could become tenants as well — downtown is way closer to UCLA than the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.
    And downtown is on the doorstep of USC — the Coliseum is generally regarded as a relic that could be demolished for campus expansion if there were a better venue close-by.
    Just ’cause the Vikes move, that’s no reason to realign the divisions.
    Dallas is not exactly in the east. It’s not even quite in east Texas!

  46. Raider B says: Nov 5, 2010 1:47 PM

    Raaaaaaiders! Come back!

  47. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 1:48 PM

    Dapollock says:
    November 5, 2010 1:42 PM
    Two thoughts: One: Not that they are comparable, but it would be idiotic to think they’re going to have a stadium built out there before the WTC buildings in NYC are complete. They’ve only had a 10 year head start, but what the hell.
    =========================
    You’re right- they are not comparible. The WTC is a political and fiscal nightmare and a completely unique situation.
    The fact is that many stadiums and hundreds of large buildings have been built in this country in the last 10 years. Just because one project in NYC is taking forever is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

  48. MightyMightyLAFootball says: Nov 5, 2010 1:51 PM

    I’d only support a Raiders move to L.A. long after Al Davis has been shot with a silver bullet, had a stake driven through his heart and was dead and buried in Alameda County

  49. Ollie says: Nov 5, 2010 1:53 PM

    The Steelers may move to LA. Get them out of the steel city and middle America. In LA they can learn to be more passive and not hit so hard.

  50. L.A. Vikings says: Nov 5, 2010 1:58 PM

    Floriostoupee says:
    Go ahead conspiracy theorists, especially you Florio, come up with a sound argument against anything I have said.
    ————————————————
    “The NFL knows that some of their highest rated games, whether it is Sunday, Sunday night or Monday night are the Vikings-Green Bay/Chicago rivalry games.”
    How long will Favre play? Love him, hate him, or love to hate him, Favre brings in viewers. Somehow, I doubt the excitement remains for “Tavaris Jackson and Toby Gerhart lead the 1-4 Vikings to face Jay Cutler and the 2-3 Bears next, on Monday Night Football.” “…playoff games not being sold out without an extension, you gotta remember that they were in fact sold out. There are many other teams, the Chargers, the Raiders, the Jaguars that are unable to sell out a regular season game”
    Ah, playoff games are more important than regular season games. In the case of the Jags and the Raiders, they have been playing a lot of meaningless regular season games where attendance could be an issue. The Vikings struggled to sell out a playoff game. A PLAYOFF GAME!
    Think how many regular season games have their attendance supported by Packer fans or Bear fans buying the tickets. This happened so much that the Vikings had to institute a policy that if you buy a ticket to a regular season game against the Packers, you need to buy a preseason game just to get Packer fans to stay away.
    You know why I know it’s not a great fan base? Because there are regular season tickets available. Do you really think that people are going to buy tickets in a new stadium if the Vikings do what every other team does and makes fans buy a $5,000 personal seat license? Get real.
    Let’s look at the Viking situation. They’ve crushed their fans numerous times with their Super Bowl and NFC Championship losses. The players have embarrassed themselves with the love boat, with the whizzinator, with Denny Green’s sexual harrassment situation, with Brett Favre’s sexting situation, plus numerous DUIs and other fun things. The team sold its soul to get Favre and they’re going to deliver a 6-10 team. The region just financed two new stadiums for the Twins and the half-empty thing for U of Minnesota. The state is strapped for cash and unsure of who is going to be its governor. There is an NFL lockout looming between rich guys debating how rich other rich guys should be. Does this seem like the type of environment where the citizens of Minnesota are jumping with joy to publicly finance a new stadium?
    Look at it like this. The city of Green Bay has nothing without the Packers. There’s no reason to visit without the Packers. Knowing that a huge portion of their economy depends on the Packers, the citizens of Brown county voted for stadium renovations by a margin of 53-47%. This was in the year 2000 when the economy was in vastly better shape. Do you really think that in the worst economy since the great depression, that Minnesota can pull off a majority vote with its citizens?

  51. Laxer37 says: Nov 5, 2010 1:59 PM

    “if they come, we will build it”
    ————————————————
    Since were talking about LA sports fans it should read:
    “if they come, they will come late and leave early”

  52. bobinpuertorico says: Nov 5, 2010 2:02 PM

    It sure is easy to spot the most ignorant idiots by their posts. Let’s review the facts. The Bills have not made the playoffs since 1999. During this time, they have had only one winning season. Last year the Bills were 6 – 10 and this year they are 0 – 7. Despite ten years of futility, the Bills blackout in their last home game was their first blackout in several years. The Bills have almost always sold out, at a time when the western New York economy has been very weak. When the Bills were successful in the 1990′s and the economy was better, they always sold out an 80,000 seat stadium (capacity since reduced somewhat to allow for more luxury boxes). The Bills have one of the most loyal, strongest fan bases. Only an idiot would think they will move to LA, a city that could not support the Rams and that could not support the Raiders.

  53. Rowdymon says: Nov 5, 2010 2:09 PM

    whatever they put into it they’ll get back in parking. Hell, it’s 25 bucks to park at LA Live now, can’t imagine what they will charge for tailgating. 50 or more by 2015?

  54. tooz56 says: Nov 5, 2010 2:10 PM

    Whatever team move will have to change their name,logos ect like the Ravens did. And it will be all about the money, because that is what the NFL has really became..ALL ABOUT THAT CA$H !

  55. Tdk24 says: Nov 5, 2010 2:12 PM

    Vikes aren’t going, their deal runs out after 2011. They’ll need a somewhere to play for 3 years then before 2015. And the roller dome won’t extend their deal for just 3 years so they can leave after that. L.A. will be home to the Raiders once again. And I can’t wait. Not that it really matters to me, i don’t live in Cali. When do the Raiders get out of their lease? But then again, it really doesn’t matter since the Mayan calendar runs out Dec. of 2012. LOL.

  56. sniperhare says: Nov 5, 2010 2:18 PM

    Hate reading all these ignorant people who talk trash on the Jaguars when they don’t even know the facts.

  57. Jonat0328 says: Nov 5, 2010 2:18 PM

    why does LA deserve a 3rd or 4th franchise? (How many has it been?)
    Leave the Jaguars, Vikings, Chargers, and Raiders in the cities they are in.

  58. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 2:18 PM

    Ollie says:
    November 5, 2010 1:53 PM
    The Steelers may move to LA. Get them out of the steel city and middle America. In LA they can learn to be more passive and not hit so hard.
    ========================
    LOL.
    Even though this clearly was a sarcastic post meant solely to aggravate Steeler fans, I guarantee at least 10 of them take the bait and write some angry response.
    They are soooo easy.

  59. MightyMightyLAFootball says: Nov 5, 2010 2:19 PM

    “realitypolice says:
    November 5, 2010 1:44 PM
    You missed the entire point of the article. The article is about a plan being formulated for a downtown stadium that would RIVAL the City of Industry plan.
    Happy to clear that up for you.”
    *~*~*~*~*~*~*
    Appreciated, but I was only mentioning COI so that folks would have an idea what it was Lewike was proposing against. Someone else mentioned this, too – the COI idea is retarded on face value (too damn far away).
    I should have been more clear – my bad

  60. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 2:20 PM

    Doc Fluty says:
    November 5, 2010 1:37 PM
    its not downtown its in the COI. and anyone form los angeles (like me) will tell you that thata drive from COI to downtown after a game will take you at least an hour to get there.
    we’re in la… the home of going for 4 or 5 miles and hour on the freeway…
    ====================
    Well, that’s two of you who didn’t read the damn article.
    The whole point of the article is that there is a plan for a downtown stadium to COMPETE with the COI plan.

  61. HarrisonHits says: Nov 5, 2010 2:22 PM

    LA fans are the worst in the country and the biggest posers. Good luck filling that stadium it won’t happen often.

  62. Arctic Edge says: Nov 5, 2010 2:23 PM

    Way to stay classy haters. You wouldn’t hear any Vikings fans rubbing it in if it were your teams. And we’re not going anywhere without a fight! And trust me, if the Vikings lose the NFL will lose more after all the lawsuits that will be filed and won!
    SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD, SKOL VIKINGS!!!

  63. Jonat0328 says: Nov 5, 2010 2:24 PM

    like “midwest ” stated the Jags aren’t going any where anytime soon.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/178265-jaguars-and-relocation-fact-or-fiction

  64. sidewinder says: Nov 5, 2010 2:27 PM

    Jags going to LA is old news..
    Jags aren’t going anywhere as they have so far sold out all their games this year and now have a stadium sponsor..
    Lots of other cities have more blackouts and are losing much more money than the Jags..

  65. sand0 says: Nov 5, 2010 2:30 PM

    Vikes will have a stadium by 2015 so this doesn’t worry me much.

  66. cusoman says: Nov 5, 2010 2:30 PM

    @ L.A. Vikings says: November 5, 2010 1:58 PM
    Your little tirade makes one very large and incorrect assumption, that the PEOPLE will get to vote on the funds for a new Vikings stadium. The tax funds to build TCF Bank Stadium and Target Field were not secured with any sort of referendum that the people got to vote on, they were decided entirely within the MN legislature.
    Now I know your next argument: that with a newly crowned Republican MN lawmaking body, that they will not want to tax the people to get the money to build the new stadium. This too is a false assumption. When it comes down to brass tax, Republicans represent the interests of big business first and foremost. The NFL is big business, and definitely the biggest sports business in Minnesota, regardless of what you think about the fans.
    The deal will get done and the team will stay in MN. I mean, where exactly would the Vikings play in the meantime while this L.A. stadium is being built? The Metrodome lease is up in 2011, and a new L.A. stadium is years after that away. Care to explain how the gap would be closed? Oh, and if you want to know how the gap would be closed in MN, the Vikings would play at TCF Bank Stadium.

  67. realitypolice says: Nov 5, 2010 2:33 PM

    MightyMightyLAFootball says:
    November 5, 2010 2:19 PM
    Appreciated, but I was only mentioning COI so that folks would have an idea what it was Lewike was proposing against. Someone else mentioned this, too – the COI idea is retarded on face value (too damn far away).
    I should have been more clear – my bad
    ============
    No problem. My bad, too- my comment read a lot douchier than I intended.

  68. Dogsweat says: Nov 5, 2010 2:33 PM

    Raiders lease is finished in 2013.
    Raiders belong in Los Angeles and will be supported—big time.
    Los Angeles Raiders 2014

  69. HolyMoly says: Nov 5, 2010 2:39 PM

    reality police, let me police your illusions. The Chargers fan base in L.A. has been large and growing for some time now. The Chargers game is a weekly feature on the radio here. The Raiders fan base has been in decline bit by bit here since the 1980′s.
    Btw, do you actually live here? I do.

  70. frank booth says: Nov 5, 2010 2:39 PM

    Arctic Edge says:
    November 5, 2010 2:23 PM
    Way to stay classy haters. You wouldn’t hear any Vikings fans rubbing it in if it were your teams. And we’re not going anywhere without a fight! And trust me, if the Vikings lose the NFL will lose more after all the lawsuits that will be filed and won!
    ===================================
    Viking fans are the most classless group of all. The evidence is on PFT. Just peruse the postings on here to learn all you need about Viking fans.
    People are rubbing it in on here because you guys are so obnoxious.

  71. midwest says: Nov 5, 2010 2:47 PM

    @Realitypolice…
    You should change your name because you don’t know your a-hole from a hole in the ground.
    Are you trying to imply that Jacksonville has stadium issues? Everbank Field is a SB stadium.
    If stadium issues were tied to luxury suites, why does the new Arrowhead have as many as Everbank? Why does Gillette have less than Everbank? Why is there a stadium issue in Minneapolis when the Metrodome has more luxury suites than 50% of the stadiums in the league?
    Everbank Field is a profitable stadium. Your implication that it is not because it only has 75 luxury suites is DEAD WRONG.
    Further, LA has proven twice now that it will not support a team. Why relocate to failure?
    If the NFL was smart, expansion is where the real $$$ is at. More teams means more games which means more exposure which means more $$$$.

  72. SSgtLMJ says: Nov 5, 2010 2:47 PM

    Well, there ya have it all you whinny ass viqueen fans…you’ll get 4 more seasons at best, maybe 3 if there is no season next year. Look on the bright side, at least you won’t have anything to whine about or make excuses for…bye bye whinnyapolis!!

  73. Floridacock says: Nov 5, 2010 2:52 PM

    Build it and they WONT come! LA can’t support an NFL team or @wouyld not have left already. Big money pit in the ground.

  74. joe.attaboy says: Nov 5, 2010 2:53 PM

    @MightyMightyLAFootball:

    3) Bills/Jags/Vikes/et al just use the threat of moving to L.A. to get their local idiot politicians to do their bidding, “or else!”

    Fool, get your facts straight about our little town before you open your gaping pie hole. The Jaguars have *never* used the threat of moving to hold the city, or anyone else hostage. If anything, the city has been the team’s biggest partner in getting tickets sold and ending the blackouts from last year. The city even agreed to waive their share of the Everbank naming rights money so the team could cover maintenance expenses at the stadium for the next few years.
    If anything, the city has fallen over itself to keep the team in town. By the way, you may not know this but every NFL team that has moved since the merger did so because of a stadium issue, not bad ticket sales. We happen to have a top-notch building down here.
    I don’t care if you badmouth us. Just get your facts straight first.
    I thought that legal pot ordinance in California failed?

  75. 1nationraidernation says: Nov 5, 2010 2:54 PM

    thats all good….but everyone can say how stupid raiders fans are etc….but i am telling you now….if a team wants to play in LA they will be sued by the raiders, unless they pay off al.

  76. A-Rog says: Nov 5, 2010 2:56 PM

    Wow. Lots of misinformation here about the Vikings.
    The Wilfs are expecting some public money for a stadium. The Repubs gained control of the house and the senate in Minnesota — the governer looks like it’s headed for a recount and the Dem is leading.
    Republicans ran on a lower taxes pledge, so I highly doubt public money will be spent on a new stadium. The polls clearly point that Minnesotans don’t want any tax, like the Twins, going toward a stadium. It’s not a popular idea.
    Whether or not the Vikings leave for LA has absolutely nothing to do with their win-loss record. It has to do with profits, and they can’t get there with the Metrodome and their lease expires at the end of next year. Even if they continue to sell out, it’s not a viable option to continue playing at the Metrodome for the next 10 years.
    As for a court case keeping the Vikings in Minnesota. The reason why the Twins were able to stay in Minnesota was because they had a lease on the Metrodome. After next year, the Vikings don’t. They’re free to do whatever they want.
    And the Vikings were threaten with blackouts several times in the past five years. It never happened. I believe Cub Foods and the TV station had to buy a bunch. The last blackout was in 1997 I believe. Certainly within the 19 year time frame someone pointed out.
    People can say “the Wilfs should just build it themselves.” That’s nice to say, but it’s not a reality. That mentality will ensure they pack it up and leave.
    If there’s another big, new stadium with high-profit potential somewhere else, they’re going to choose that over building their own.

  77. Chuck says: Nov 5, 2010 3:03 PM

    Poor Minnesota, first LA steals your Lakers and now you’re about to lose your cherrished Vikings to the City of Angels. And how fitting, both wear purple and gold. Hahaha

  78. L.A. Vikings says: Nov 5, 2010 3:18 PM

    Cusoman, how many politicians just lost their jobs for voting on health care reform? In Wisconsin, a politician lost his job because of a recall election for his vote on Miller Park. With the current economy, no politician is going to make a decision that doesn’t match the wishes of his constituents on an issue as big as a stadium. If the people don’t want it, it’s not happening. 75% of people polled two weeks ago by the Star Tribune said that they would oppose public subsidies for a new stadium.
    Why would the Vikings play at TCF Stadium? That place only holds 50,000. They’d be better off signing a small-term lease to go back in the Metrodome. If they went to L.A., they could play in the LA Coliseum or the Rose Bowl while they awaited the new place.

  79. Gergie says: Nov 5, 2010 3:35 PM

    I see a lot of posters here want the Vikings to leave Minnesota, I wonder why?
    I can think of only one reason, they fear the Vikings.
    Well get over it the Vikings will be in Minnesota kicking your teams asses for a long long time.

  80. Jag4Life says: Nov 5, 2010 3:42 PM

    @Trojanman58
    @brownsfn19
    @Floriostoupee
    @Macleod
    @vikingsbammer
    You all are what’s wrong with the internet. Just b/c Florio knows the small minds of his readers and continued to right the same story over and over and over LAST YEAR about the Jags moving doesn’t make it true. It’s called ONE BAD YEAR of attendance. Click on this link and while you’re at it keep going back to previous years.
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2008/sort/homeTotal
    Notice something. This is called a trend and the trend is Jax has always been 14-19(middle of the pack) in attendance every season except 2009 among all 32 teams. You idiots are fans of your team, not NFL fans so don’t comment on other teams when you have no knowledge of them. You don’t live in Jax, know nothing about the the Jaguar organization. So let me inform you misguided indivduals.
    This is a RUMOR AND OPINION site, not facts. Have you noticed any Jaguars moving to LA topics weeks after weeks this year from Florio. Of course not, b/c all 4 home games have sold out this year just like every year before 2009 season. So since you guys hang on Florio’s every word, in the future keep your ignorant comments to yourself and remember everything you read that on this site that is not a direct quote from an owner, coach or player is Florio’s OPINION and we all know opinions are like a**holes, everyboby has one.

  81. cusoman says: Nov 5, 2010 3:45 PM

    You people seriously believe that politicians keep their campaign promises? Wow, talk about a misguided bunch.

  82. The_Emperor says: Nov 5, 2010 3:54 PM

    First of all, it’s GUARANTEED the Bills aren’t moving anywhere. Not only will Ralph Wilson not move them, but the team WILL eventually be bought by this group of former Bills, led by All-Time Great QB Jim Kelly, that flat out REFUSE to move the team. Start looking elsewhere, 1st grade dropouts…

  83. purplepussEaters says: Nov 5, 2010 4:01 PM

    Comical how a bogus story such as this creates so much buzz from the feeble minds of you PFT followers.
    How many L.A. Vikings tags are on here.
    Each and everyone that wrote haha LA Vikings, do yourself a favor and end it already…..Swallow a bottle of pills , jump off a bridge. So sad the lack of brainpower on this blog…
    The vikes are the most talked about and sought after team in the league right now….
    Either you love them or hate them, but your talking about them and thats what makes them relevant…….skol idiots

  84. Floriostoupee says: Nov 5, 2010 4:14 PM

    # realitypolice says: November 5, 2010 1:26 PM
    The luxury suites generate the cash, your stadium ain’t got em, Zig wants em, LA will have em.
    ______________
    Got a link for this or are you just stating your opinion?
    ____________________________________
    # L.A. Vikings says: November 5, 2010 1:58 PM
    How long will Favre play? Love him, hate him, or love to hate him, Favre brings in viewers.
    You are right, Favre does bring in viewers. Maybe you can then explain why the Vikings constantly had Monday night games against the Bears in the 90′s, before Moss and the ’98 season? I seriously doubt ABC did it just to appease the fans in Illinois and Minnesota. I could use GB/MN games too, but you would just bring Favre back into it.
    Yup, they did struggle to sell out a playoff game, but it did sell out didn’t it. Vikings even with extensions have had sellouts dating back long before Favre.
    Think how many regular season games have their attendance supported by Packer fans or Bear fans buying the tickets. This happened so much that the Vikings had to institute a policy that if you buy a ticket to a regular season game against the Packers, you need to buy a preseason game just to get Packer fans to stay away.
    Now it appears you attempt to state fact in place of opinion, much like your obvious buddy realitypolice above. Got a link with proof that is the reason for ticket sales or are you just making an ASSumption? You contradict yourself in the same paragraph. First you say that the Vikings rely on Packer fans to sell out games, then you say they do a combo pack to keep them away. Pick one story and stick to it.
    Let’s look at the Viking situation. They’ve crushed their fans numerous times with their Super Bowl and NFC Championship losses. The players have embarrassed themselves with the love boat, with the whizzinator, with Denny Green’s sexual harrassment situation, with Brett Favre’s sexting situation, plus numerous DUIs and other fun things. The team sold its soul to get Favre and they’re going to deliver a 6-10 team. The region just financed two new stadiums for the Twins and the half-empty thing for U of Minnesota. The state is strapped for cash and unsure of who is going to be its governor. There is an NFL lockout looming between rich guys debating how rich other rich guys should be. Does this seem like the type of environment where the citizens of Minnesota are jumping with joy to publicly finance a new stadium?
    Yet here in MN, they are saying that the recount for Governor will only help the stadium issue, not hurt. Try doing some research before spouting off.
    Look at it like this. The city of Green Bay has nothing without the Packers. There’s no reason to visit without the Packers. Knowing that a huge portion of their economy depends on the Packers, the citizens of Brown county voted for stadium renovations by a margin of 53-47%. This was in the year 2000 when the economy was in vastly better shape. Do you really think that in the worst economy since the great depression, that Minnesota can pull off a majority vote with its citizens?
    So lets see if I understand your logic. In 2000, GB barely approved stadium renovations, in a vastly better economy, but now in 2010 in what you say is “the worst economy since the great depression” because Minnesota has so far approved two stadiums and all signs point to a third being approved in the next 3-6 months, the Vikings will still be moving to LA. Nice try Homer!
    Lastly, since you brought politics into it, as most know, the Republicans want to cut taxes, yet a REPUBLICAN governor the team will stay, and this was BEFORE the election. Want to make a bet the stadium bill passes before Pawlenty leaves office? Before the recount is finished?
    http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/10/21/1766617/pawlenty-says-new-vikings-stadium-highly-likely

  85. bigfranky75 says: Nov 5, 2010 4:36 PM

    um, the Bills are in the worst rust-belt, economically deprived environment in the league. bar none. they have the poorest fans and leagues fifth largest stadium. they have the worst record. the team has been run into the ground by inept ownership for YEARS, yet the place still sells out week after week. the Bills have less blackouts than ANY other team in the league after frigging Dallas, New England, and Indy! (yes, even counting NY)…. let alone the teams on the short list of moving. even their one blackout this year (first in 6 yrs) still ended up selling out, just not in time to lift the blackout….
    The Bills arent going anywhere. It’ll be the Jags or the Rams…. St. Louis has already proven they cant maintain a team havign already lost one and not having any interest in the one they have.

  86. OLDCRACKER says: Nov 5, 2010 4:37 PM

    Reality Police and one other post made the most sense. It’s all about the money; TV markets, team crap, and the “contacts” made by the billionaire owners. (Think of a country club setting w a more casual setting, California wine, imported beer and chicken wings.)
    Sorry “die-hard” fans and tax payers, you only pay the bills. Yes, the old industrial cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, and Kansas City have some of the most loyal fans out there, despite the team on the field…as opposed to any California city. Even the dark days in Green Bay didn’t keep the fans away from their team.
    These spoiled billionaire owners and millionaire players want more than just money. The want their mugs in the paper (ie-George Steinbrenner and Jerry Jones), the best table at the latest chic in-spot, the dancer with the biggest cans, the best blow, the latest bling/tatoos, and the front pew in church. Luxury boxes provide this. They simply do not care about the “true fans.”
    I also believe Al Davis will rape the people of southern California once again. He ruined a once beautiful baseball park, and bankrupted the school system in Oakland after defrauding several communities in the L.A. area. He wouldn’t think twice of doing it again. And, once the novelty of having a team wears out and the “fans” quit coming, the Raiders will move once again.
    Seriously, right now, it would make the most “marketing sense” to move the Raiders back to L.A. Can you see a reality show, “The wives of the fans of Radier Nation”?

  87. Bordner says: Nov 5, 2010 5:01 PM

    @Gergie
    No, no one “fears” the Queens – if anyone ever did, those days are long gone. The only reason anyone wants the Queens to move is because of their obnoxious “fans”. I honestly would love to see them stay for rivalry purposes. Now if there was just a way we could send their “fans” to LA…

  88. GO BILLS says: Nov 5, 2010 5:03 PM

    Southern California does not need another NFL team. One is one too many. If you’re going to put a team in LA move the Chargers who have an old stadium and can’t sell out games. Southern California is not football country. It will be a joke if they take a team from Minnesota or Buffalo and put them in LA.
    Football is too much of a man’s sport for the ladies in Southern California. Although, I’m sure people in SoCal love the uniforms. The NFL is more concerned with money then about the integrity of the game. Do you think the fans in LA would sell out 90% of their games during a decade without a playoff appearance? Do you think LA would even support their team if they made the playoffs? Why watch a football game when you can you catch some waves and work on your tan bra?

  89. L.A. Vikings says: Nov 5, 2010 5:07 PM

    “I see a lot of posters here want the Vikings to leave Minnesota, I wonder why?”
    Because many Viking fans are insufferable a-holes with an inordinate amount of hubris for a team that has never won a championship. It gives Packer fans, Bears fans, and now Saints fans a reason to say “We won.” For all the trash-talking, childish, often-homophobic taunts towards our teams or fans of our teams, Viking fans have to STFU forever. Even if in five years the Bills or the Jags move to Minnesota and rename themselves the Vikings, everybody knows it’s not the same team. We watch as your team sells its soul to get Brett Favre to return, we watch as off the field scandals embarrass the franchise, we watch as they trade away high draft picks for four-game rentals, and we know that the team stinks of incompetence. It’s not a fear thing. It’s so people like FoF, Pervy, Gravymakessconniesfat, Contra, Arctic Edge, and the rest have to shut up.

  90. minnesconsin_ad says: Nov 5, 2010 5:07 PM

    New Republican governor in MN cites the economy as a must fix however without the Vikings in MN the economy in the Twin Cities would be drastically hit
    ————
    repubs made big gains in MN — as of right now, the governor’s seat is not one of them. In case you had not heard, we’re in recount mode w/ the dem candidate leading by 9k votes. Even th repubs know there’s zero chance they get this turned around, but they’ll gladly take advantage of the recount to keep Tim Pawlenty in office an extra several months… but T-Paw isn’t going to make any big splashes on the stadium.
    People need to realize that whether the Vikes move or not has nothing to do with their status as “old school NFL,” and everything to do w/ the bottom line for the Wilf family. Do you think Zigs really cares how long the team has been in MN, what kind of “storied” history (a history of losing…) they have here? Don’t kid yourselves — that kind of sentiment is for the fans, owners could care less.

  91. L.A. Vikings says: Nov 5, 2010 5:31 PM

    “Maybe you can then explain why the Vikings constantly had Monday night games against the Bears in the 90′s, before Moss and the ’98 season?”
    Um, I don’t know. Perhaps because it’s a division rivalry game for one of the largest TV markets in the country. Perhaps because the Bears were somewhat decent in the early 90s and so were the Vikings. Or you can believe that it’s just because the Vikings have such super fans.
    “Got a link with proof that is the reason for ticket sales or are you just making an ASSumption? You contradict yourself in the same paragraph. First you say that the Vikings rely on Packer fans to sell out games, then you say they do a combo pack to keep them away. Pick one story and stick to it.”
    Yes, because I’m sure there’s a link to a particular web site that tracks nothing but Packer fan attendance in the Minnesota stadium. Look around the stadium. There will be plenty of Packer fans in attendance. Check it out in two weeks when Viking “super fans” sell their tickets because they’ve given up on their 3-6 team. They do the combo pack to pimp up their preseason sales and to discourage Packer fans from going online and buying the tickets. Of course they’d prefer Viking fans buy the tickets first. Do you know how they can do that? Put a product on the field that’s so good, that they have to create a season ticket waiting list because demand is so high.
    “because Minnesota has so far approved two stadiums and all signs point to a third being approved in the next 3-6 months, the Vikings will still be moving to LA.”
    All signs, huh?
    http://www.startribune.com/politics/local/105646548.html
    It doesn’t seem so popular does it? The two new stadiums that you mention, TCF Bank Stadium was approved in May of 2006. Target Field was also approved in 2006. The economy crashed in September 2008.
    “Want to make a bet the stadium bill passes before Pawlenty leaves office? Before the recount is finished?”
    Sure. Pawlenty leaves office in January. Let’s do a civics lesson here. Pawlenty would only sign the bill. The Minnesota legislature would write the bill and vote on it before it goes to the governor. Have you ever seen the government move fast on any meaningful legislation?

  92. FireChildress says: Nov 5, 2010 5:40 PM

    You guys actually think the Vikings are going to LA? What a bunch of Ass monkeys. Any team in California won;t sell out anyway. Those people that WISH the Vikes would go are Packer fans because they know once we get a good coach there screwed.

  93. megabeast37215 says: Nov 5, 2010 5:42 PM

    I don’t care who goes just don’t take my Jaguars! I got 4 season tickets this year to do my part.. I’m raising my kid as a Jags fan. We just need the young people who grew up with the team to goto college and get good jobs and become season ticket holders. All the adults that were here when the Jags came in were already fans of other teams so their loyalty is fickle and unreliable. Their childrens is a whole ‘nother story.

  94. thirdandgoal says: Nov 5, 2010 5:52 PM

    the minn franchise is going nowhere. mpls/stp is now the 16th largest tv market in the country. that’s not #2, like LA, but it’s not 30-something, either.

  95. btg19 says: Nov 5, 2010 6:21 PM

    The fact that someone logs in as “L.A. Vikings” is just sad.
    “Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I hate the Vikings and I hate that the rhetoric has been ratcheted up over the past couple of years between the Packers and Vikings and that Brett Favre chose to go there and that I felt so miserable after last season that’s it’s not enough to have avenged the losses to Favre and the Vikings. I’m just going to be the biggest possible prick I can be.”
    Grow up. I would never wish real harm upon the Packers. The fact that some moron posters fill you with that much real hate is a commentary on your character.
    The fact that you would take pleasure in robbing generations of the joy/sorrow/excitement/depression an NFL team brings an area is simply repugnant.

  96. cusoman says: Nov 5, 2010 6:38 PM

    thirdandgoal says: November 5, 2010 5:52 PM
    the minn franchise is going nowhere. mpls/stp is now the 16th largest tv market in the country. that’s not #2, like LA, but it’s not 30-something, either.
    ———————–
    It’s actually the 15th largest TV market in the US at 1732050 TV Homes. To put that in Packer perspective (since they love to talk about themselves as much as Minnesotans do), that’s more than the markets of Green Bay (443420), Milwaukee (901790), and Madison (377260) COMBINED. If the NFL thinks Minnesotans would watch another team after the Vikings left, they are sorely mistaken. Not all revenue is made from stadium ticket sales you know.
    Source:
    http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf

  97. Al Davis Is God - Deal With It says: Nov 5, 2010 6:47 PM

    Haven’t these people learned? Two NFL franchises left the second largest TV market in the country in 1995. Do you think they would have done that if LA was a good home for them? Nothing but broken promises and now they’re left out in the cold. LA couldn’t even get their act together when the NFL expanded into Houston. Face it, LA is not a football town and never will be.

  98. cusoman says: Nov 5, 2010 6:53 PM

    L.A. Vikings says: November 5, 2010 5:31 PM
    “because Minnesota has so far approved two stadiums and all signs point to a third being approved in the next 3-6 months, the Vikings will still be moving to LA.”
    All signs, huh?
    http://www.start ribune.com/politics/ local/105646548.html
    It doesn’t seem so popular does it? The two new stadiums that you mention, TCF Bank Stadium was approved in May of 2006. Target Field was also approved in 2006. The economy crashed in September 2008.
    “Want to make a bet the stadium bill passes before Pawlenty leaves office? Before the recount is finished?”
    Sure. Pawlenty leaves office in January. Let’s do a civics lesson here. Pawlenty would only sign the bill. The Minnesota legislature would write the bill and vote on it before it goes to the governor. Have you ever seen the government move fast on any meaningful legislation?
    —————————
    For someone who apparently spends a lot of time on the Twin Cities local news site, you’d think he’d know about the governor’s race recount and that Pawlenty may be governor months past his original departure date while it all gets worked out. Or did you miss all those stories 2 years ago on the Franken/Coleman race too?

  99. rh says: Nov 5, 2010 8:48 PM

    The Bills aren’t going anywhere. They have great fan support and it is a great place to tailgate and watch a game. You can see well from all seats in the stadium. If you haven’t been there don’t guess. All but 2 games in last 10 yrs have sold out in time to lift blackout and one was day after Christmas. If they keep showing improvement as they have the last couple of weeks there is a good chance no more games will be blacked out this year when the second game was. The Bills shouldn’t even be in the disccusion there are other teams that don’t sell out even when they win. look to them.

  100. KM91 says: Nov 5, 2010 10:45 PM

    People still putting the Jags in the Moving to L.A. talks? Come on, we’ve had every home game on TV so far, and we’ve got a new sponsor. Jaguars football will be at 1 Everbank Field Drive for a good long while.

  101. SwedishMurderMachine says: Nov 5, 2010 11:33 PM

    I have to agree with the poster who said that anyone who cheers for a franchise to move and rubs it in the face of the threatened team’s fans is the worst kind of d-bag.
    Even though I might hate some of the Vikings rivals in the NFC North I would never want the Packers or Bears to move out of the division. It would destroy the rivalries that make our division great.

  102. Floriostoupee says: Nov 6, 2010 3:36 AM

    I am seriously beginning to think that LA Vikings is also many of the other names on here like Bob Nelson, Jimmy Smith, and a few others that do nothing but trash talk the Vikings. They make up things, try to pass it off as fact when it is nothing but their own opinion.
    Actually, it sounds alot like what 3G and Florio do on a daily basis!
    For your information LA Vikings, Pawlenty will most likely be in office until March or April thanks to the recount (which doesn’t actually even begin until Nov 23rd).
    Your own link states “75 percent oppose public subsidies for the project” which is probably close to true, but I personally find it hard to believe any poll that samples only 1206 people and say they speak for the entire state. It also states that “only a third of respondents said the Twins needed a new stadium…..” which you also conveniently left out of your arguement. Leaving out pertinent information is something else that PFT staff typically does when they want people to believe their point over the actual truth.
    So 33% of the people polled said the Twins needed a new stadium yet they got one. Seems like the Vikings are not far behind at 25% if the polls are to be believed.
    Now, lets look at it realistically. The NFL is not going to give up on the rivalry of the Vikings and GB/Chicago. Other teams that have moved have either been able to stay in the same division or did not have the same type rivalry. If (doubtful at best) the Vikings did move, they would certainly not leave them in the NFC North. That makes less sense than the current fines that Goodell hands out each week.
    Wanna try again?

  103. MNSUX says: Nov 6, 2010 9:41 PM

    Arctic Edge says:
    November 5, 2010 2:23 PM
    Way to stay classy haters. You wouldn’t hear any Vikings fans rubbing it in if it were your teams. And we’re not going anywhere without a fight! And trust me, if the Vikings lose the NFL will lose more after all the lawsuits that will be filed and won!
    SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD, SKOL VIKINGS!!!
    _____________
    Artic is a GIANT DB!!!
    @FrankBooth……well said!

  104. Bisons says: Nov 7, 2010 9:24 AM

    Actually your all wrong. Behind the scenes it is William Clay Ford trying to get The Lions moved to L.A. He has the power and backing to pull it off. Remember you hard it here first.

  105. MNSUX says: Nov 7, 2010 1:24 PM

    # L.A. Vikings says: November 5, 2010 5:07 PM
    “I see a lot of posters here want the Vikings to leave Minnesota, I wonder why?”
    Because many Viking fans are insufferable a-holes with an inordinate amount of hubris for a team that has never won a championship. It gives Packer fans, Bears fans, and now Saints fans a reason to say “We won.” For all the trash-talking, childish, often-homophobic taunts towards our teams or fans of our teams, Viking fans have to STFU forever. Even if in five years the Bills or the Jags move to Minnesota and rename themselves the Vikings, everybody knows it’s not the same team. We watch as your team sells its soul to get Brett Favre to return, we watch as off the field scandals embarrass the franchise, we watch as they trade away high draft picks for four-game rentals, and we know that the team stinks of incompetence. It’s not a fear thing. It’s so people like FoF, Pervy, Gravymakessconniesfa t, Contra, Arctic Edge,Majik DB and the rest have to shut up.
    _______________
    Well said

  106. BigJagFan says: Nov 8, 2010 5:09 PM

    I am Jaguar fan and beside a rough year in 09 with attendance, it hasn’t been the case this year. We’ve yet to have a black out and attendance has been pretty good. Unfortately the national media still has us in the group with like the Chargers, Bills, Raiders, and even Tampa who are all having blackouts. So obviously I don’t expect anyone outside of Jville to know this. I do admit that the local corporations don’t supports them like they should, but the people of the area do. If LA should get the Jags, it would only be because they stole it from Jacksonville.

  107. Change Da Game says: Nov 8, 2010 7:12 PM

    The logical choice would be to have the Jaguars move. That way the St. Louis Rams can move to the AFC South with natural rivals (Indy, Houston, and Tenn.). The Jaguars would move to NFC West with (San Fran., Arizona, and Seattle). Besides the name L.A. Jags would fit because no place has more luxury cars than L.A.

  108. granadafan says: Nov 8, 2010 7:35 PM

    As an LA resident, I would prefer a brand new team and not have a team torn out from the fans of another city. I’m completely against greedy owners who just move franchises which are ingrained in the soul of cities and the inhabitants. The worst and biggest offender, Al Davis, moved his team TWICE and has destroyed the economies of both cities. Screw Al Davis (and I’m a Raiders fan). I’d be for an expansion team that will be built from scratch.
    Oh, and to hell with a stadium 20 miles away from LA in a former landfill. A stadium belongs downtown where there are lots of bars and restaurants. Too bad there won’t be sufficient parking for tailgating though.

  109. recon163 says: Nov 9, 2010 10:05 AM

    For BigJagFan
    “I am Jaguar fan and beside a rough year in 09 with attendance, it hasn’t been the case this year. We’ve yet to have a black out and attendance has been pretty good. Unfortately the national media still has us in the group with like the Chargers, Bills, Raiders, and even Tampa who are all having blackouts. So obviously I don’t expect anyone outside of Jville to know this. I do admit that the local corporations don’t supports them like they should, but the people of the area do. If LA should get the Jags, it would only be because they stole it from Jacksonville.”
    You didn’t mention that Wayne Weaver cut ticket prices and offered special financing deals in order to boost attendance to a level just below the blackout threshold. This means it doesn’t cost as much for the team to buy up the remaining tickets and avoid a blackout.

  110. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says: Nov 12, 2010 4:32 PM

    Actually it’s more likely the Packers would move to LA than the Vikings. Every politician in the state of MN has said they’re in favor of a new stadium. Minneapolis is a highly educated, wealthy, clean, and safe city…and the Twin Cities is always listed as one of the best places in the nation to live. And they’re the #12 TV market in the country. Lambeau field, on the other hand, is in a poor area. The population is not highly educated; in fact they’re listed as #1 in the country as far as percentage of drunks. Don’t get me wrong, partying is fine…but getting together in groups of 12 men and only 3 ugly women, beer-bonging, and cow-tipping is NOT my idea of partying. And look at the way they TURN on their former stars. The fans are so obnoxious that someday, someday, they’re gonna piss the owner off so bad that he moves the team. Just watch. Anyway it’s NOT gonna be the Vikings.

  111. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says: Nov 12, 2010 4:35 PM

    I know, I know, Packer ‘fans’ own the team….but not really. You’re an idiot if you actually think you own part of the team.

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