Comments on: Austin Collie stretchered off field, Eagles angry that hit draws flag

By: warriorking1112

warriorking1112 — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:29:12 +0000

i think we are gonna beat the hell out those eagles they are not playing as great as most ppl think they barly beat a heavily injured colts tema that we injured and almost beat had McNabb stepped up, they got stomped by a injured up Titans team, we should have beat the lions but gave them that win and punk rex grossman sealed it by playing scared!! i think we come out swinging and embarrass the eagles and hurt vick on monday gbirds-13 Skins-30!! HTTR!! WEAPON X ORAKPO AND THE HITMAN LARON LANDRY ARE GONNA CRIPPLE VICK AND KOLB BOOK IT!!! THE WOLVES ARE COMING!!! ITS GONNA BE A BLOODBATH AT FED EX ON MON NIGHT THE REDSKINS ARE GONNA SCALP THE FeAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HTTR!!!!!

By: GeeYoung

GeeYoung — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:23:16 +0000

We weren’t as angry about the flag as we were about the outcome of the play.
The penalty wasn’t called for helmet to helmet contact, it was called for hitting a defenseless receiver. That’s clearly a ridiculous call considering Collie was running with the ball.
What was more infuriating was the fact that it was a legitimate fumble. It should have been Eagle’s ball and the Colt’s should not have gotten the chance to score the TD they eventually did because the drive was continued. That, however, is also the fault of our own clock management. If we had any time outs left we could have challenged but we didn’t.
It was odd to see Eagle’s players angry about the call when a fellow player was laying in such a horrific pose but that’s the game we all love. These guys are in the moment and all that matters at the moment is winning. Can the game be played well any other way? That said, James Harrison is a moron and the league should crack down on unnecessary roughness but not like this. Not in a way that can turns the outcome of a game over phantom penalties, where the refs are clearly making up “defenseless receiver” calls to justify the flags.

By: Elvoid

Elvoid — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:27:43 +0000

Well, I’d say the death was tragic.
Now what?
Let’s say a player (god forbid) dies next week after a “helmet to helmet” hit. Only thing is, it was an entirely unintentional “helmet to helmet” hit. Who do you blame for that? How do you control that?
It’s football. It’s violent. People get hurt. Badly, sometimes. People have died playing this game: 325 deaths from 1971-2008; most high school or semi-pro. All that, and we still play.
The players know the risks. The parents of kids that play know the risks. And yet we still play the game.
Your problem is with the game itself – not a particular kind of “hit.”
I agree intentional “helmet to helmet” hits should be policed and punished. But they will still happen as long as the game is what it is.
They will also happen unintentionally – and those should not be punished – as in this hit to Collie – and there isn’t a damn thing that can be done about it as long as football is a contact sport.

By: Chop Block Murphy

Chop Block Murphy — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:14:51 +0000

troymania,
I got fired up – way too fired up, for too long – when I first saw the flag, b/c the call was terrible. I acknowledge that, in the moment, it took me a few minutes to gain some perspective, realize Collie wasn’t moving, and shut my mouth. You think that makes me a dick? I think it makes me a pretty typical football fan.
NFL_1974,
Shut up dad.
That is all.

By: Tim.

Tim. — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:20:27 +0000

Everyone is talking about the Eagles fans booing and the players complaining about the hit. No one knew he was hurt originally. Of course the first reaction is going to be to run to the refs and complain about a call that, from my perspective, was clearly a bad one. The booing from the fans came from the replay on the big score board, which by the way, they don’t show on TV. Why? They have their own replays. No one mentions the entire Philadelphia Eagles team kneeling on the field near Collie once it was realized how serious the situation was, or the standing ovation the Eagles fans gave him as he was being carted off the field.
No one knew how serious the injury was in the short moments after it happened. Because of that, the reaction of the players and the fans was based on the call made by the refs, which the comments in here will show the majority of people disagree with. However, once things settled down and people started to realize Collie was still lying on the ground, surrounded by trainers, the entire mood of the setting changed. People got quiet. Players started to pray. Everyone was in full support of Collie. It’s really easy to pick out the pieces that you want to try and turn what is an incredibly competitive atmosphere into a classless dog house, but you need to look at the facts and the whole picture.
Boos were for the flag. Reaction of Philly players was to the flag. Kneeling and praying by Philly players was for Collie. Standing ovation and applause by Philly fans was for Collie. Get it straight.

By: NFL_1974

NFL_1974 — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:06:38 +0000

What are people’s responses going to be when someone dies from one of these helmet to helmet hits? Whether the hit is legal in their eyes or not. You better think about the answer to thsat question, because its going to happen. Are you still going to worry about whether the it was an actual catch or not? How about everyone worrying about the ruling on the field grow up. This is a game, but these are human beings.

By: troymania

troymania — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:07:07 +0000

Eagles fans are dicks for booing while there is a player on the ground motionless and samuel no class … everyone knew collie was hurt bad and samuel is jumping around about the call, priorities should be ones life rather than a 15 yard penalty .. what a dick hope he gets whats coming to him and eagles fan even though caught up in the heat of the game should realize that these guys are real people … show some humanity.. won’t disagree about it not being a penalty but handle the situation with respect

By: Elvoid

Elvoid — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:03:36 +0000

Yes, Dustin – his helmet hit his helmet. Funny, but that kind of thing happens alot in football – or had you not noticed that?
However, this particular hit did not fit the definition of the rule to enforce a penalty. In fact – the NFL has declined to fine Coleman.
It was a bad call – but hey, those happen all the time and folks need to move on. But at the very least we can still call a bad call a bad call, can’t we?
And….. I’m NOT an Eagle fan.

By: BCGreg

BCGreg — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:43:55 +0000

@ Dustin Chandler
The flag was for hitting a “defenseless receiver”. The flag was NOT for a helmet to helmet hit.
2 things
1. The receiver was NOT “defenseless”. He caught the ball and was running upfield. How is that defenseless? (That was a catch and a fumble)
2. On the 2nd hit, the defender did NOT lead with his helmet. His facemask hit Collie’s helmet, which was knocked toward the 2nd defender by the 1st defender. How is the 2nd defender going to avoid Collie when the 1st defender essentially knocked Collie into him? Again, he didn’t duck his head and lead with the helmet.
The key to these helmet to helmet hits should be if the tackler LEADS with the helmet. Does he tuck his head and lead with the helmet. The ‘lauching’ aspect, while making the call easier, should not be the only factor. Did the defender LEAD with the head?
There should have been no flag on this play, and there should be no fine. But, there will be unfortunately.

By: Dustin Chandler

Dustin Chandler — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:03:35 +0000

Jesus.. Eagles fans are blind. It wasn’t the first hit.. it was the 2nd hit from the back.
HIS HELMET… HIT… HIS HELMET…
THAT’S THE PENALTY.
damn…

By: petro

petro — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:46:05 +0000

@ keepereg
Really? The Eagles fans were booing Collie? Wrong pal. They applauded him but were booing the replay. Now, if you want to say the video baord operator was an idiot for still showing the replay, then fine and I’ll agree with you. You’re another idiot who always looks to jump all over Philly fans and you’d have no guts to say it to any Philly fans face. What podunk sports market do you live in?

By: coltfan8

coltfan8 — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:25:24 +0000

First of all, screw the fact that there shouldn’t be a fine (there shouldn’t be) and that there shouldn’t have been a penalty (that is debatable), the fact that the Eagles were more concerned about a freaking penalty than the well being of a fellow player (who at the time was motionless on the field) shows that this team has no character or fiber of human compassion. They are a disgrace and I lost all respect for them as a team and as individuals (at least for the ones who were complaining and whining about a freaking penalty, which mind you didn’t cost them anything except 15 yards…they would have gotten it anyway if the facemask on the same play was called0. Eagles people get over it…you won the game!!!

By: Steelerschick43

Steelerschick43 — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:22:53 +0000

I honestly didn’t see a helmet to helmet hit..I was looking and looking and last time I saw where he lead with his shoulder and I think on one angle he brushed his helmet but there was no blanant helmet to helmet that I saw..looked like a clean hit to me….that being said I sure hope Collie is ok. Never like to see any player hurt. Don’t feel this should warrant a fine though.

By: Elvoid

Elvoid — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:14:40 +0000

Both hits were hard – but certainly legal. It’s football, folks – and unless we’re going to start declaring a receiver down when a flag is pulled from a velcro attachment to his hip, or he is touched with both hands above the waist, hard hits will happen and sometimes the results will be unfortunate and every once in a while, yes – they will even be tragic.
I’ve watched this video many times. Not only was the hit legal, I’m absolutely convinced the concussion occurred from his head impacting the turf – not from either hit directly. Watch it again – that was quite a slam his head took because of the speed at which he fell. Any helmet to helmet contact paled in comparison to the way his head slammed the turf.

By: Duck Fallas

Duck Fallas — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:55:27 +0000

Hopefully Collie has a speedy recovery. That was absolutely horrifying to see him frozen on the field like that.
That being said, what a terrible call. Now the NFL will probably fine Kurt Coleman a hefty fee on top of everything else. This guy is a rookie 7th round draft pick – he’s not exactly making top dollar.

By: petro

petro — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:44:39 +0000

@ odell-
You clearly are the most idiotic commenter I have seen on here and I’ve seen many. Aren’t you late for the bus little boy?

By: protectthishouse54

protectthishouse54 — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:31:09 +0000

Unfortunate incident because he was redirected into him. Asante is a prick. Everyone who saw that was concerned for Collie’s long term health after that play except for this idiot jumping around like a child.

By: mattgso

mattgso — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:56:41 +0000

That was an unfortunate injury but not flag-worthy.

By: Route36West

Route36West — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:38:16 +0000

xojazz says:
FAIL.
You don’t understand helmet-to-helmet.
NOT ALLOWED.
Are you really this dense?
Please, roll over, ask your boyfriend to explain.
Idiot.
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xojazz…. FAIL. HELMET to HELMET hits are only illegal when they are on defenseless receivers, qbs, and on players when hit from behind.
You are allowed to make helmet to helmet hits when receivers and rbs establish themselves as ball carriers. Also allowed to make h2h hits on offensive and defensive linemen.
Collie possessed the ball made 2 football moves established himself as a ball carrier lowered his head to protect himself and the ball from the intitial hit from Quinton Mikell before the helmet to helmet contact with Coleman. That is basically verbatim the defenition of a legal hit in the NFL rule book.
What you dont understand is the majority of helmet to helmet hits are not illegal. Only in certian cases are they against the rules. Nearly every single play there is legal helmet to helmet contact occuring.
Before you start telling everyone they are wrong again go look up the rules on h2h hits. Then come back an appologize.

By: Route36West

Route36West — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:19:58 +0000

keepereg says:
November 7, 2010 6:08 PM
It was a questionable flag for sure…but for God’s sake…a man is laying on the field and for all you know could be paralyzed or worse…and there’s Asante and the Eagles jumping around like a bunch of children who didn’t get their freezy pops…and Philly fans booing as he’s carted off…as always Philly puts the ass in class…here’s hoping Collie’s alright…
I knew there was going to be 1 idiot. After the initial hit Philly Fans booed the refs for a horrible call and the players were reacting as well to the refs but once they realized Collie was seriously hurt the fans got quiet and the players stopped and prayed. Once he showed he was ok and started to get put on a stretcher everyone clapped for him. Not 1 person in that staduim had a bad thing to say about Collie and no one booed him it was directed towards the refs.
It just shows you how full sh*t you are bc when he was getting carted off every1 was clapping for him, after 10 minutes of silence.
Eagles fans and players showed there passion for the game by the way they reacted to that call. You wish your team had half the passion the Eagles do. But as soon as they realized what was going on they did the right thing and prayed for Collie and gave him a standing ovation.
Only a fool would try to see fault in that.

By: Route36West

Route36West — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:45:23 +0000

O and where is all the uproar about the 2 blatant Horse Collar tackles on McCoy During the game? They both clearly hurt him and put him in a very dangerous position. Luckily both times he was able to get his legs out from under him but still it was illegal and dangerous. But they didnt even throw a flag let alone bring it up.
And what about on 1 of the Eagles punts? A Colts player made a helmet to helmet block on an a Eagles defender from behind. That actually an illegal helmet to helmet hit but once again no flag.
Im not saying poor Eagles they never get the calls thats not my point. The point is the NFL and its refrees dont care about player safety just there image. They penalize 1 team for a legal hit that almost cost them the game bc a player was injured but then let the other team get away with 3 dangerous penalties bc no one was injured.
If they truely cared about player safety they would penalize every team for every dangerous penalty no matter how serious the results of those plays were. Because it would show everyone that no matter what happens those kind of plays wont be tolerated. The way they are handling things now it seems like they would rather wait for a player like McCoy to blow out his knees before they throw a flag then to premptively stop it by penalizing a team before an injury occurs.
But its starting to become very clear that when big hits and other dangerous penalties dont cause injuries the NFL doesnt care bc it doesnt effect there public image.

By: Route36West

Route36West — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:23:25 +0000

“Collie was reaching to catch a Peyton Manning pass when Eagles safety Quintin Mikell hit him with what looked like a hard but legal shot to the midsection. Eagles defensive back Kurt Coleman then collided with Collie, helmet-to-helmet.”
Wrong. Collie wasnt reaching for the ball when he got hit. He already caught the ball took three steps and put his shoulder down for contact when Mikell made the intial hit. Then he was redirected toward Coleman when there helmets collided.
Collie wasnt a defenseless reciever when Mikell hit him so deffently wasnt 1 when Coleman got there. He should of already been deemed a ball carrier when the initial hit was made. It was a legal helmet to helmet contact by Coleman. Just like almost everytime a running back runs up the middle there is legal helmet to helmet contact.
They will ruin the game of football if the refs keep calling penalties on plays like that and continue calling penalties on plays like the one that happened later in the game on fourth down when Trent Cole got a sack fumble on Manning that would of iced the game if his hand didnt graze the back of his helmet.
It was a horribly officiated game. Also Florio you and Adam Shefter should be ashamed of yourselves . After the game he suggested that Coleman should be the first player suspended for a helmet to helmet hit . And now you reiterate it? He shouldnt have even been penalized let alone fined for the hit. But you and Shefter want the guy suspended? That kind of analyst is shameful and an afront to the sport we all love.

By: j0hnnyv

j0hnnyv — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:01:18 +0000

Sad he got hurt but that was NOT a penalty, im sorry! Just a disgrace.

By: FinFan6886

FinFan6886 — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:58:53 +0000

Is this even the same game anymore? This year, it would seem that I (an NFL fan of over 30 years) no longer understand what a touchdown is, what a catch is, what a legal hit is, etc. WTF is going on? The front office is clueless, the refs are clueless, the press is clueless and when these groups get together to explain everything…the fans become clueless. This flag was BS and there was another Calvin Johnson type call this week that robbed the Texans of a TD. Flip the switch and return to the game of the 80′s/90′s. The rules are getting ridiculously difficult to understand because they are being written by lawyers and the refs can basically say whatever they want in the review process because it is no longer a black and white issue. Everything is gray.

By: florio4prez

florio4prez — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:50:22 +0000

xojazz says:
November 7, 2010 7:05 PM
What is about about helmet-to-helmet hits not allowed – that you IDIOTS do not understand?!
This was an illegal hit.
No controversy.
Because there was no question it was helmet-to-helmet.
If anyone does not understand what hemet-to-helmet means, I suggest you ask your boyfriends and have them explain it to you.
Idiots….
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Wrong, elephant breath. YOU are the idiot.
The penalty was NOT for “helmet-to-helmet contact,” it was for a hit on a (proverbial) “defenseless receiver.”
Do YOU need a Rule Book. Or just a hearing aid?

By: philrat

philrat — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:17:16 +0000

Flag was bullsh*t! Defensive player not head hunting shouldn’t be responsible if player is redirected at last second.
As the nfl continues to whittle away at the ability of teams to play pass defense they are quickly coming to a tipping point where the games will no longer be interesting to watch.
For those fans who want to watch atheltes run up and down the field with no possiblity of getting hurt there is a sport for you…TRACK. This is FOOTBALL. Collisions are expected and will sometimes cause injury.

By: hairy snizz

hairy snizz — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:15:46 +0000

xojazz, you have no idea what you are talking about. Only when you are a defenseless receiver can you not be hit helmet to helmet. Collie caught the ball, took two steps, lowered his upper body while cradling the ball, got hit, then got hit again in the helmet. He was obviously a runner in that situation. Also, are these “boyfriend” comments assuming you are talking to a woman, and therefore in your little brain she knows nothing about football, making you unfunny and sexist, or they unfunny and homophobic, possibly even hiding something?

By: Chop Block Murphy

Chop Block Murphy — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:01:16 +0000

@ xojazz,
Hey junior, while everyone finds your homosexual insults hilarious, let’s have a serious discussion for a sec. If what you saw constitutes “A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent” or “a player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily” … you are far from a knowledgeable football fan. The helmet-to-helmet was an incidental result of a bang-bang play by professional athletes moving at full speed. It was a horrible call, and you are flat-out WRONG. Stop embarrassing yourself.

By: Blackn'Gold

Blackn'Gold — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:47:05 +0000

Well, you know the National Fine League will be dealing with this. They can’t let players get hurt. What about the defensive players that were injured this weekend? Can they be considered defenseless?
He is as defenseless as all the other players on the field.

By: Jaxeagle

Jaxeagle — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:31:47 +0000

Ridiculous the refs reacted to the injury not the hit. Refs need to fined not the players. The refs also blew the illegal procedure call on the Eagles last possession, you can clearly see the Colts DT barking the signals causing the OG to move which is a penalty on the defense thats why the Eagles players were yelling at the refs.