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That Richard Seymour trade doesn’t look so bad anymore

I’ll admit that I was one of those people who doubted if Oakland’s trade for Richard Seymour made sense.

It’s not that Seymour was done as a player.  But was he a big enough difference maker to pay more than $10 million-per-season with no long-term deal and give up a first-round pick for?

The answer is yes in Oakland, at least for this year.  Seymour is playing some of the best football of his career.  Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune says he’s the most dominant defensive lineman the Raiders have had since Howie Long and that Seymour is a “viable” Defensive Player of the Year candidate.

Seymour is having a huge year against the run (he should easily break his career high in tackles) and has recorded 4.5 sacks.  Perhaps just as important, Seymour is lauded as a leader and tone-setter for a defensive line finally playing to its capabilities.

“Big Rich brings the example,” defensive tackle Tommy Kelly told SI’s Jim Trotter in an excellent piece on Seymour. “He don’t talk it; the résumé talks it. You already know what he means because of the Super Bowls and Pro Bowls. He commands respects, and he gives you respect. So it’s easy to follow the example of somebody like that.”

This second act by “Big Sey 93″ could equate to big dollars in free agency next year if the Raiders don’t place the franchise tag on him again.  It could also bolster Seymour’s Hall of Fame chances someday.    Really.  He has five Pro Bowls, 3 All Pro nods, 3 Super Bowl rings, and was arguably the best defensive player on two of those teams.

For now, Seymour will just focus on helping the Raiders win games, making that draft pick they sent to New England slide further down the first round.

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38 Responses to “That Richard Seymour trade doesn’t look so bad anymore”
  1. steelerdynasty2010 says: Nov 12, 2010 10:52 AM

    i think rosenthal’s right on this one. Dude is a beast this year. I thought he was done when the Patsies let him go, but i guess I was wrong, and so were they. That said, it apparently has had no ill effects on their successes as a franchise so I suppose you could say it couldnt have worked out better for both teams. the raiders finally got the defensive leader they’ve needed and the pats dumped a contract they didnt want in exchange for a high value draft pick (arguably replacing Seymour’s contract with a rookie, but who are we to question the Deity that has become Bill Bellicheat…sorry that was a cheap shot i couldnt resist)

  2. mybuttsayspft says: Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM

    Love this quote from Seymour: Asked earlier this week if Davis was pleased with the way things were going, Seymour laughed and said, “Oh yean, I think he (whipped) the Patriots on that trade.”

    The trade was definitely worth it, he has changed the whole locker room enviroment for that team.

  3. richm2256 says: Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM

    “Hall of Fame” …… Seymour??????

    Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

    You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.

  4. joetoronto says: Nov 12, 2010 10:57 AM

    Thanks for posting this, Greg. I wasn’t sure if you would.

    I’ll stop calling you “Rosie” from now on, lol

  5. jermely says: Nov 12, 2010 11:12 AM

    How do those words taste?

    He is being dominant. Especially for a guy that PFT reported; “didn’t wanna be here”..

  6. PFTiswhatitis says: Nov 12, 2010 11:13 AM

    Is this not proof that Seymour is all about the $?
    Once he gets his pay he will slide back into the laxadazical Richard he has been for the last 5 years.

  7. semperfi24 says: Nov 12, 2010 11:19 AM

    It may not look as bad as it originally looked, but lets be honest, it was still a bad trade. If it was a 3rd round pick, I would agree. But trading a First Round draft pick, for a player that has been in the league for 10 years, that is a steep price….

    Plus they could have had him for free if they had waited one year….

  8. jermely says: Nov 12, 2010 11:19 AM

    #
    richm2256 says: Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM

    “Hall of Fame” …… Seymour??????

    Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

    You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.
    __________________________________

    So Brett Favre is still a Packer, right?

  9. CT Pats Fan says: Nov 12, 2010 11:21 AM

    The thing is, it doesn’t look so bad *now*. There’s no guarantee Seymour will play for the Raiders next year, and at 32 there’s no guarantee he’ll earn the big contract he’ll be demanding.

    Meanwhile, the Raiders will deny themselves a top-20 first round draft pick that they’d like to have make an impact for the next 10 years.

    Are the Raiders a “win now” team? I’d argue that the Patriots should be, but that’s a whole different conversation.

  10. agentpyro says: Nov 12, 2010 11:28 AM

    @richm2256
    “You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.”

    So…Randy Moss isn’t a Hall of Fame player…?

  11. 8man says: Nov 12, 2010 11:32 AM

    I never thought this was a bad trade. Seymour is a proven commodity and worthy of a number 1 pick.

    The big question was were the Raiders close enough to winning to part with that pick and float Seymour’s annual salary?

    Well we have eight games left to find out. And if they sell out their remaining games because this guy is making them competitive, that alone may provide the ROI on his contract for this year.

  12. worldsgreatest says: Nov 12, 2010 11:33 AM

    richm2256 says:
    Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM
    “Hall of Fame” …… Seymour??????

    Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

    You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.

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    The Patriots do, at the drop of a hat.

  13. hesaidwhat860 says: Nov 12, 2010 11:39 AM

    @richm2256
    “You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.”

    Joe Montana, Steve Young, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, Warren Sapp, Rod Woodson, and Deacon Jones all beg to differ with you…

  14. jlb10 says: Nov 12, 2010 11:40 AM

    seymour’s impact on the locker room and this team has been priceless. he is the defensive leader they needed.
    sure a first round pick is maybe a little high bit al davis needed to do something. it could be argued that the pats miss him more than they thought they would. defense sure isn’t what it was.

    btw the si article is very good.

  15. joetoronto says: Nov 12, 2010 11:58 AM

    richm2256 says: Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM

    “Hall of Fame” …… Seymour??????

    Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

    You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.
    *******************************************************
    You shouldn’t, but the Pats did.

    What everyone is missing is that Seymour has changed the culture, the mindset of the team, from a loser to a winner.

    If you don’t think that’s worth a 1st round pick, you know nothing about football.

  16. roachk1lla says: Nov 12, 2010 12:05 PM

    You don’t trade hall of famers? Montana, Rice, E. Smith, deion sanders, charles haley, randy moss, larry csonka, tony gonzalez. Should I keep going with all the traded HOFers?

  17. mrjspicoli says: Nov 12, 2010 12:06 PM

    When did it look bad?

    Trading a ticket to a high priced crap shoot for a probowler both on and off the field?

    I love the natsayers argument that “there is no guarantee he is a Raider next year”. For those Einsteins, who said the same thing last year, I sugges they wikipedia NFL franchise tag. That is the worst case scenario.

    And there is not going to be a season next year anyway, so put that into your calculations. How’s that #1 pick going to help sitting at home on the couch watching replacement players?

  18. onderin says: Nov 12, 2010 12:22 PM

    I still think the price was too high, but you can’t argue the results.

  19. bucx01 says: Nov 12, 2010 12:23 PM

    Joe Montana, Steve Young, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, Warren Sapp, Rod Woodson, and Deacon Jones all beg to differ with you…
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    Smith, Sanders, Woodson, and Sapp were never traded. Also Sapp has yet to reach the hall of fame.

    I think what he was trying to say was that they don’t get traded in their prime. Only a few ever had, doesn’t mean Seymour will not.

  20. raiderfankirk says: Nov 12, 2010 12:30 PM

    If you get 3 good years out of a player that you you know is one of the best then it is worth a 1st. How do you know the 1st is worth a 1st. What if that pick is a bust? And I hope it is…

  21. richm2256 says: Nov 12, 2010 12:45 PM

    bucx01 says:

    Smith, Sanders, Woodson, and Sapp were never traded. Also Sapp has yet to reach the hall of fame.

    I think what he was trying to say was that they don’t get traded in their prime. Only a few ever had, doesn’t mean Seymour will not.
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    Thank you, bucx.

    Moss and Favre didn’t want to be with the teams that traded them (I still don’t see Brett Favre as a “dominant” HOF quarterback – not enough titles for that). Montana, Sapp, Smith, Jones, et al were clearly on the down side of their skills. And to put Seymour in that group is an insult to the Hall of Fame. Seymour was a solid – if inconsitent – player. There are no “Halls” for that.

  22. semperfi24 says: Nov 12, 2010 1:05 PM

    So let me get this straight Spicoli:

    If there is no football next year, having a rookie sit out a season is terrible for the Pats (a rookie that potentially could play for 8, 10, 15 years), but having a player sit out a season for the Raiders is awesome!!! A player that potentially has 3-5 years left in the tank, loses out on one of those years because there is no football.

    Plus, every time you use the Franchise tag, the number goes up astronomically. For example, Richard Seymour’s salary this year is $12,398,000. So if they franchise him next year, his salary will be at least $14,877,600. At what point is it too costly for them to Franchise Seymour? But since you are the resident expert on the Franchise tag, you already know that Seymour will get 120% of this years salary if he is Franchised again next year….

    Do any of us really know that Seymour will be on the team next year? No, we dont. But considering you are calling us all out on what we dont know, it is hysterical that you pretend that you do know. Guess what….you know as much as everyone else that is speculating…

    When everyone thought Oakland was going to be a joke, it was a rip off in favor of the Pats. Now Oakland is showing signs of life, making the trade more even, but I still think New England made out in this deal, because they werent going to re-sign him anyways. Oakland got a leader, a champion, a player that changed the locker room, and good for them. but we wont know the truth about this trade for many years (we dont know who the Pats are going to draft with that pick, then we need a few years to evaluate the pick, etc, and by that time, big Rich will sitting on his couch, retired)

  23. joetoronto says: Nov 12, 2010 1:08 PM

    richm2256: Sounds like sour grapes to me.

  24. joetoronto says: Nov 12, 2010 1:15 PM

    semperfi24:

    You make some good points, although Spicoli didn’t say it would be “awesome” if Seymour sat out a season.

    The draft is a crap shoot, we all know that, so the pick could be good, a bust, or somewhere in between.

    As for the future of Seymour, even if he leaves the Raiders after this year, the mission has been accomplished.

  25. raidersteve413 says: Nov 12, 2010 1:24 PM

    Raiders are the most dominate team in the NFL.
    Theres no doubt they are gona win the superbowl this year.

  26. buzzbissinger says: Nov 12, 2010 1:34 PM

    I’ll bet it really hurt to post this one, eh Rosie?

    BTW, who is this raidersteve413 guy? Must be a Charger fan, you can’t be for real.

  27. raiderjack says: Nov 12, 2010 1:53 PM

    To everyone that says this was a bad trade for the raiders because he is gonna leave try clicking the link to the SI article. Seymour says himself that he wants to retire a raider. HOF? I don’t know. But he is a legit defensive MVP canidate this year. If he wins that and the raiders win a super bowl in the next year or two with him leading the team, he’s a lock. But that’s a big IF.

  28. bwisnasky says: Nov 12, 2010 1:59 PM

    What everyone forgets to mention about this trade is that the Raiders got Seymour for a 1st Round Pick. The Pats ended up with Derrick Burgess for a 3rd Round pick. They exchanged ends…. and the Raiders got a 3rd for a 1st for a much BETTER leader, and overall durable DE/DT who has completely changed the way that team approaches stopping the run single-handedly almost. The RAIDERS got the better end of the deal overall….

  29. packfaninpackland says: Nov 12, 2010 2:24 PM

    Let’s see, the Patriots dumped a high salary and got a #1 pick for an aging veteran that they weren’t going to resign when he became a free agent, so yes, I will say it was not only a good trade, but a great one.

  30. marcussallen says: Nov 12, 2010 2:44 PM

    Am I lost here? Big Sey has been to five Pro Bowls (he was an alternate last year), 3 All Pro nods, and has 3 Super Bowl rings, and those are not hall of fame stats? So if he has a few more pro bowls and a few more all pro nods, will that do it for you? The fact that he is beasting enough this year to be worth mentioning that he may be the Defensive Player of the Year kinda suggests he’s a bit more than Hall of Very Good, lol.

  31. JSpicoli says: Nov 12, 2010 2:49 PM

    Semper

    Since when is going from 12-14 mil “astronomical” lol. when you play like the best, you get paid like the best. That is what the franchise tag does. It doesn’t take being a “resident expert” to know that, but you do need to have the ability to apply logic and gathered knowledge to make a prediction.

    Your age and hate shines bright young pat fan. It blinds you like Everclear.

    Not “Everyone” thought the Raiders would “be a joke”, only mouthbreathing, non game watching, pile on artists and haters like you. Watch a game, learn to see what is really happening, or just get the ESPN cliff’s notes from Trey Wingo. Your choice.

    With Grad’s or Campbell last year, mainly with-out fatso, Raiders are 8-8ish. But we had to finish the high paid unproven rookie experiment due to drafting high, paying high for untested goods, and pushing him onto the playing field due to these circumstances. That brings us back to the draft being a crap shoot and good luck with that #1 pick there flying Elvis.

    I’d return volley with “Guess what….you know as much as everyone else that is speculating…” but you don’t.

    Wanna bet a grand Seymour is a Raider next year? Sour grapes much? I’d make that trade and one like it every year if I could under the current drafting system. You take the risk, I’ll take the player.

  32. JSpicoli says: Nov 12, 2010 2:53 PM

    And the bloom is off the rose as far as the pats are concerned. Brady is trending down, the great years of talent gathering are over. Luck/skill whatever, Bellichick has had his day.

    There is no dominant team in the NFL, especially this year, and you better do somthing with that 1st rounder, cause you need some talent.

  33. raiderchile says: Nov 12, 2010 3:45 PM

    Boy, some of you are really stupid to say Seymour isn’t a HOFer. Get over it, he’s a Raider now and if he can’t get them to the top of the mountain, HOFer PERIOD. Don’t hate cuz he’s a Raider. He was the only player to motivate the over paid Kelly. That guy was always fat and lazy and didn’t perform. You know Seymour said something to him directly not indirectly as Kelly states. The guy showed all of his rings to the team and told them how its done. They are buying into what Cable is saying, Hue, Seymour. This team is way better than anything we as fans have put up with. This team IS worth cheering for. Just pay the man anything he wants and keep him here for 4-5 years more.

  34. raiders757 says: Nov 12, 2010 7:26 PM

    bwisnasky says: Nov 12, 2010 1:59 PM

    What everyone forgets to mention about this trade is that the Raiders got Seymour for a 1st Round Pick. The Pats ended up with Derrick Burgess for a 3rd Round pick. They exchanged ends…. and the Raiders got a 3rd for a 1st for a much BETTER leader, and overall durable DE/DT who has completely changed the way that team approaches stopping the run single-handedly almost. The RAIDERS got the better end of the deal overall….

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    I have to agree with most of this. I wouldn’t say anyone got the better end of the deal though. Both teams got what they wanted. I’ll also point out that despite not having the numbers last season, Seymour was still a great addition to the team, bringing much needed leadership. This deal was a draw even if he didn’t have the year he is having now.

  35. raiderapologist says: Nov 12, 2010 9:34 PM

    Seymour spent some time on KC’s side of the ball last week. Oakland needs that a lot more than they need a draft pick.

  36. raiderfankirk says: Nov 13, 2010 9:27 AM

    So lets see Oakland has had Seymour for two seasons and the Pats got a pick that is unknown. What if …. what if….?

  37. radrntn says: Nov 15, 2010 1:59 PM

    not sure with no cba in place, if franchise tag will even exist, but if it does, i do believe the raiders will only have to pay him around 8 million vs the 14 million a season since he has moved inside to a dt position.

  38. aldavisisgod1 says: Nov 15, 2010 3:11 PM

    This trade always made sense. Not only does Seymour have the stats to justify the trade he also has every intangible leadership quality that you can’t measure but sure makes a lot of difference on the field. The resurgence of the defence this year proves that. Once again God (AKA Al Davis) proves to be right and the haters prove to be losers.

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