What everyone forgets to mention about this trade is that the Raiders got Seymour for a 1st Round Pick. The Pats ended up with Derrick Burgess for a 3rd Round pick. They exchanged ends…. and the Raiders got a 3rd for a 1st for a much BETTER leader, and overall durable DE/DT who has completely changed the way that team approaches stopping the run single-handedly almost. The RAIDERS got the better end of the deal overall….

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I have to agree with most of this. I wouldn’t say anyone got the better end of the deal though. Both teams got what they wanted. I’ll also point out that despite not having the numbers last season, Seymour was still a great addition to the team, bringing much needed leadership. This deal was a draw even if he didn’t have the year he is having now.

There is no dominant team in the NFL, especially this year, and you better do somthing with that 1st rounder, cause you need some talent.

Since when is going from 12-14 mil “astronomical” lol. when you play like the best, you get paid like the best. That is what the franchise tag does. It doesn’t take being a “resident expert” to know that, but you do need to have the ability to apply logic and gathered knowledge to make a prediction.

Your age and hate shines bright young pat fan. It blinds you like Everclear.

Not “Everyone” thought the Raiders would “be a joke”, only mouthbreathing, non game watching, pile on artists and haters like you. Watch a game, learn to see what is really happening, or just get the ESPN cliff’s notes from Trey Wingo. Your choice.

With Grad’s or Campbell last year, mainly with-out fatso, Raiders are 8-8ish. But we had to finish the high paid unproven rookie experiment due to drafting high, paying high for untested goods, and pushing him onto the playing field due to these circumstances. That brings us back to the draft being a crap shoot and good luck with that #1 pick there flying Elvis.

I’d return volley with “Guess what….you know as much as everyone else that is speculating…” but you don’t.

Wanna bet a grand Seymour is a Raider next year? Sour grapes much? I’d make that trade and one like it every year if I could under the current drafting system. You take the risk, I’ll take the player.

BTW, who is this raidersteve413 guy? Must be a Charger fan, you can’t be for real.

You make some good points, although Spicoli didn’t say it would be “awesome” if Seymour sat out a season.

The draft is a crap shoot, we all know that, so the pick could be good, a bust, or somewhere in between.

As for the future of Seymour, even if he leaves the Raiders after this year, the mission has been accomplished.

If there is no football next year, having a rookie sit out a season is terrible for the Pats (a rookie that potentially could play for 8, 10, 15 years), but having a player sit out a season for the Raiders is awesome!!! A player that potentially has 3-5 years left in the tank, loses out on one of those years because there is no football.

Plus, every time you use the Franchise tag, the number goes up astronomically. For example, Richard Seymour’s salary this year is $12,398,000. So if they franchise him next year, his salary will be at least $14,877,600. At what point is it too costly for them to Franchise Seymour? But since you are the resident expert on the Franchise tag, you already know that Seymour will get 120% of this years salary if he is Franchised again next year….

Do any of us really know that Seymour will be on the team next year? No, we dont. But considering you are calling us all out on what we dont know, it is hysterical that you pretend that you do know. Guess what….you know as much as everyone else that is speculating…

When everyone thought Oakland was going to be a joke, it was a rip off in favor of the Pats. Now Oakland is showing signs of life, making the trade more even, but I still think New England made out in this deal, because they werent going to re-sign him anyways. Oakland got a leader, a champion, a player that changed the locker room, and good for them. but we wont know the truth about this trade for many years (we dont know who the Pats are going to draft with that pick, then we need a few years to evaluate the pick, etc, and by that time, big Rich will sitting on his couch, retired)

Smith, Sanders, Woodson, and Sapp were never traded. Also Sapp has yet to reach the hall of fame.

I think what he was trying to say was that they don’t get traded in their prime. Only a few ever had, doesn’t mean Seymour will not.
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Thank you, bucx.

Moss and Favre didn’t want to be with the teams that traded them (I still don’t see Brett Favre as a “dominant” HOF quarterback – not enough titles for that). Montana, Sapp, Smith, Jones, et al were clearly on the down side of their skills. And to put Seymour in that group is an insult to the Hall of Fame. Seymour was a solid – if inconsitent – player. There are no “Halls” for that.

Smith, Sanders, Woodson, and Sapp were never traded. Also Sapp has yet to reach the hall of fame.

I think what he was trying to say was that they don’t get traded in their prime. Only a few ever had, doesn’t mean Seymour will not.

Trading a ticket to a high priced crap shoot for a probowler both on and off the field?

I love the natsayers argument that “there is no guarantee he is a Raider next year”. For those Einsteins, who said the same thing last year, I sugges they wikipedia NFL franchise tag. That is the worst case scenario.

And there is not going to be a season next year anyway, so put that into your calculations. How’s that #1 pick going to help sitting at home on the couch watching replacement players?

“Hall of Fame” …… Seymour??????

Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.
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You shouldn’t, but the Pats did.

What everyone is missing is that Seymour has changed the culture, the mindset of the team, from a loser to a winner.

If you don’t think that’s worth a 1st round pick, you know nothing about football.

btw the si article is very good.

Joe Montana, Steve Young, Emmitt Smith, Deion Sanders, Warren Sapp, Rod Woodson, and Deacon Jones all beg to differ with you…

Sorry, watched him in New England, he was “Hall of Very Good”, when he wasn’t holding out of training camp, but no, not “Hall of Fame”…….

You don’t trade “Hall of Fame” players.

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The Patriots do, at the drop of a hat.

The big question was were the Raiders close enough to winning to part with that pick and float Seymour’s annual salary?

Well we have eight games left to find out. And if they sell out their remaining games because this guy is making them competitive, that alone may provide the ROI on his contract for this year.

So…Randy Moss isn’t a Hall of Fame player…?

Meanwhile, the Raiders will deny themselves a top-20 first round draft pick that they’d like to have make an impact for the next 10 years.

Are the Raiders a “win now” team? I’d argue that the Patriots should be, but that’s a whole different conversation.