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Vikings stadium situation will be “addressed” in 2011

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We’ve got good news and bad news for the folks who want to see the Vikings stay in Minnesota.  (And, presumably, bad news and good news for those who would like to see them join the Lakers in Los Angeles.)

The good (bad) news is that, despite a Republican takeover of the Minnesota Legislature and an actual or apparent mandate to slash spending and balance the budget, the Vikings’ stadium situation will be “addressed” in the 2011 legislative session, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.  The bad (good) news is that the situation was “addressed” in the 2010 session, and it went nowhere.

“I think, one way or another, it’s going to be addressed this session,” said  Rep. Mary Liz Holberg, chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, per the Star-Tribune.  “The question is whether or not it’s resolved.  It’s not going to go away.”

Correction.  It could go away, if the team goes away.  And with the Vikings under contract to play at the Metrodome through 2011 and Los Angeles making real strides toward a new stadium, the team could indeed go away.

It will be tricky, to say the least, for the newly-constituted Republican Legislature to sell to their constituents a stadium project that entails new taxes, significant spending, and/or the kind of governmental involvement that runs contrary to traditional conservative ideology.  As the Star-Tribune points out, recent polling shows that 75 percent of Minnesotans oppose the use of public funds for a new football stadium.

Then again, plenty of conservatives love football, and this could be one situation in which the classic no-tax, low-spend, small-government approach is modified in order to ensure that the local NFL franchise doesn’t load up the truck and move to Beverly.

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  1. WingT says: Nov 18, 2010 8:27 AM

    Tax payers need to stop funding the $8B NFL. Let the owners open up their books and we the tax payers will help show them how they can afford to build a stadium. Otherwise, go the hell away NFL

  2. backdapack says: Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM

    i’d hate to see the Vikings move away….love the tradition and the rivalries. it’s fun to joke about the LA Vikings, etc. but let’s face it, as bad as their fanbase is, it would not be good for football.

    folks are just fed up with what they perceive as wasteful spending…the timing is real bad for the Vikings right now, especially considering their meltdown this season.

  3. jimmy1smith says: Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM

    Book it, LA Vikings coming to a staduim near you.

  4. norings4u says: Nov 18, 2010 8:40 AM

    How much money does Wilf have? We all know he has more money than it would cost to build a stadium. If you were going to construct a new building for your business, what would you do? You’d either pay for it yourself or you’d get a loan. Why can’t uber-billionaire Ziggy do the same? This is another case of a rich a-hole trying to get the middle class to pay for his toy.

  5. jimmysee says: Nov 18, 2010 8:45 AM

    This all reminds me of The Honeymooners episode when Ralph was trying to learn to play golf — so he could brown nose his boss.

    Norton was helping him and was reading from a book called “How to Play Golf.”

    Norton to Ralph: “Step one: Address the Ball.”

    Ralph to Norton: “Well, how do ya do that?”

    Norton to Ralph: “Helllllo ball!”

  6. thejuddstir says: Nov 18, 2010 9:06 AM

    As much as I like football, I agree with WingT…..there is more to life than football, like healthcare, education, quality of life etc. and kudo’s to Minnesotans who have their priorities right. If any team wants public funds for a new stadium (in any sport) then the owners should be willing to share the profits with the state as co-owners.

  7. cusoman says: Nov 18, 2010 9:18 AM

    Florio, you didn’t read the story you linked to at all. Most of the lawmakers were offering up ways to make the funding work without introducing new taxes, such as putting the already existing Minneapolis Convention Center taxes towards the stadium. The Racino deal also showed up again.

    Oh, and as far as the Star Trib “poll” that showed 75% of Minnesotans opposing public funds goes? From Star Trib’s site:

    “Editor’s note: Instant polls are intended as entertainment. They are not considered to be true measurements of public opinion.”

    Florio, stop using an entertainment poll as fact.

  8. truefan2 says: Nov 18, 2010 9:31 AM

    You guys who are on an NFL message board blogging about how unimportant the NFL is in the scheme of things are pretty funny….

    If you really believed that (instead or the real issue being you don’t want any of YOUR tax money spent on a stadium) then presumably you would have better ways to spend your time.

  9. arnoldziffel says: Nov 18, 2010 9:43 AM

    The current Gas Bag stadium does not have a parking lot. How do Viking fans tailgate anyway … chew gum on the bus?

    Wild times on the Minneapolis Metro, I suppose …

  10. CT Pats Fan says: Nov 18, 2010 10:00 AM

    The PSL cat is out of the bag. If owners really want to build a new stadium, and the fans really want their team to stick around, they’ll have to do what the Giants/Jets did.

  11. minnyjoe says: Nov 18, 2010 10:06 AM

    I wish people would actually do some homework rather than just throw out statements like WingT about not publicly funding stadiums. How much of the revenue that is spent around the stadiums does the owner get? NONE There are many local businesses that rely on the revenue which is generated at stadium events.

    If you think the economy is bad now watch them leave and then look at what happens downtown not to mention in Mankato. The Vikings training camp brings several million annually to the local community, without camp there they will suffer too. It is not just about the owner it is about businesses all over the state!

    If they do the stadium right they will get to host a Superbowl and probably a final four, both of which bring hundreds of millions back into the economy.

    No one says this has to be tax just on local people, it can be hotel taxes ect…

    Not to mention the fact that the Wilf’s have been spending money to try and put a decent product on the field, it is not like the are like Red!

    Do homework and get facts before making comments!

    Minnesota do the right thing and get it built!! Don’t let history repeat itself, look what it cost to get hockey back, much more than it would have to just build a new building!!

  12. goombar2 says: Nov 18, 2010 10:07 AM

    Oh come on! How much can a a tent and three rings cost? This circus called the Vikings need to get their act together.

  13. flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM

    Why not an open air stadium? No colder in Minny than Green Bay or Chicago. Minny fans are wimps and don’t deserve a team. Deep Down inside Bud Grant loaths the state of affairs in Minny. Damn, can’t spell minneapolis, Los Angeles is much easier.

  14. eriktheliberal says: Nov 18, 2010 11:04 AM

    Mike,

    I think you are conflating two different types of government spending.

    The type of government spending that occurs most often is when money is raised by the government (through taxation, issuance of bonds, etc.) and then spent on public projects, infrastructure improvements, etc.

    The other type of government spending is where money is taken from the commons and given to some private interest – this, thankfully, does not happen very often.

    Most Americans are OK with government spending that both improves the commons and results in public goods owned collectively by the public in perpetuity.

    The type of government spending that the Wilfs (and other NFL owners) are begging for falls into the malevolent, 2nd type of government spending.

    I live in Green Bay and voted in favor of the Lambeau Field renovation sales tax in 2000. I voted for this tax because a.) the stadium itself is owned by the City of Green Bay and 2) the ownership of the team is highly diluted through a joint-stock arrangement.

    If the Packers were owned by either one owner or a small group of owners or if the stadium would have been privately owned following completition of the renovations, I would not have voted for the tax. Minnesotans would be wise to keep a close eye on the new Republican majorities in their state legislative bodies. Republicans (in theory) favor small government, less taxes, etc. However, elected Republicans (as distinguished from citizen-Republicans) seem all too willing to use the public commons as a way to give favors to private interests. I hope that the Republican majorities in Minnesota do not give the Wilfs what they want – a stadium financed on the backs of the Minnesota taxpayer.

    Disclosure: I am a political liberal – and a proud one at that. I am also proud of my state’s progressive tradition. (Bob LaFollette, Gaylord Nelson, William Proxmire, Russ Feingold, etc.)

  15. majikbullet says: Nov 18, 2010 11:08 AM

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    flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM

    Why not an open air stadium? No colder in Minny than Green Bay or Chicago. Minny fans are wimps and don’t deserve a team. Deep Down inside Bud Grant loaths the state of affairs in Minny. Damn, can’t spell minneapolis, Los Angeles is much easier.
    ___________________
    Agreed, but today’s Viking fan is not loyal like the Bears and Packers fans, it would not work in a bad year like this year. If only they would have just kept the MET so the Vikings fan didn’t go soft.

  16. stevedigre says: Nov 18, 2010 11:22 AM

    Remember, if stadiums were profitable to the owner of the stadium, real-estate developers would be lining up to build these for anyone and anywhere.

  17. djrother says: Nov 18, 2010 11:34 AM

    I personally think minnyjoe is the only one that actually thought before typing. Look around at the revenue that would go away with the Vikings. I think maybe more of a compromise could be worked out between owner and government, but to let the Vikings leave would be disaster.

  18. NoHomeTeam says: Nov 18, 2010 11:42 AM

    flyingelvislogosucksbringbackpatpatriot says: “Why not an open air stadium? No colder in Minny than Green Bay or Chicago. Minny fans are wimps and don’t deserve a team. ”

    1) Your team won three Super Bowls wearing the Flying Elvis. All I can remember them doing while they had the Squatting Minuteman was getting their ass handed to them by the ’85 Bears. Some things are better left to history.

    2) An enclosed stadium can be used more than 8-10 times a year. It has very little to do with whether or not the “fans are wimps,” and everything to do with the economics involved in building a staggeringly expensive building. It’s my understanding that the proposed stadium in downtown L.A. is to include a retractable roof for that very reason. Ideally, the new Vikings stadium in Minneapolis would have a similar design so that games could be played in the elements.

  19. clownburger says: Nov 18, 2010 11:46 AM

    The people should get to decide on this with a vote. There used to be a really cool thing in this country about 150 years ago. It was called FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

  20. notalib says: Nov 18, 2010 11:51 AM

    Nothing would make me happier as a Packer fan as to see the Vikings move to LA. The fair weather fans of Minnesota do not deserve to be a NFL city plus we would not have to listen to that stupid viking horn blown every time they do something so the fans know they are suppose to cheer.

  21. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 18, 2010 12:05 PM

    We all know that since the Vikings are 3-6, it’s the time-honored role of the Minnesotan to pretend it doesn’t matter to them and that Minnesota is such a beautiful and exciting place that they never even cared about football anyway.

    But I guarantee you this. The first Sunday without the Vikings is going to sting like crazy. Don’t let it happen, cost be damned.

  22. smoothjimmyapollo says: Nov 18, 2010 12:07 PM

    “Why not an open air stadium?”

    Because that doesn’t trap in the pumped-in crowd noise.

  23. minnyjoe says: Nov 18, 2010 12:15 PM

    There are plenty of ways to get this done and not at a major cost. The naming rights are a Huge revenue and one that is not shared in the NFL. The state can ask for a share of that! It has been shown that the state made money on the Metrodome “Mall of America Field” and if done right will make money on the new one.

    The Wilf’s have offered up to pay a portion, they are not asking for the entire amount not to mention the upgrades that would be done around the site if it is built in the same place as the dome.

    There are many solutions to simply say NO without looking into this is foolish and then entire state would pay!

  24. contra74 says: Nov 18, 2010 1:07 PM

    HAHAHA I love how some idiot went around and made accounts for people they dont like. Ah, how childish.

    As for all those who wish for a team to leave – take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you would want that? It is not good for ANY city and it is not good for the league either. So your own personal grievances against a particular fan makes you want a city/states economy to suffer in economic times such as these? No doubt that Minneapolis would take a HUGE economic hit and hundreds of jobs would be put at risk. But its ok right? Its ok because you dont like a specific team, color, horn, or fanbase. Screw the families who now have to wonder how to make ends meet if it wasnt hard enough to begin with. But dont worry about your wish for a team to leave would affect others, just sit back and enjoy your football.

  25. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 18, 2010 1:16 PM

    Listen to Contra. Dude spends his entire life trashing everyone and everything that has to do with Wisconsin. From recent economic troubles to domestic abuse, Contra can always be relied upon to hold nothing back.

    And now…”Think about the families struggling to make ends meet.” You are one pathetic excuse. Go save the manatees somewhere else.

  26. footballrulz says: Nov 18, 2010 1:38 PM

    Not to mention Contra actually calling out people for making up fake accounts. Oh the irony….

  27. contra74 says: Nov 18, 2010 1:44 PM

    @ruvelligwebuike – Wow really!? I come on here and provide a serious dose of reality and you fire back with that!? Its all fun and games until peoples livelihoods are at stake. Apparently you have no concern for that which is sad and speaks volumes about you.

  28. elcraphead says: Nov 18, 2010 1:49 PM

    Los Angeles does not want the Vikings.’

    Stop playing games.

    The Rams and Raiders are the only two franchises with solid fan bases in Los Angeles.

    With a new venue, their games will be packed to the fullest.

  29. pervyharvin says: Nov 18, 2010 2:08 PM

    notalib says:Nov 18, 2010 11:51 AM Nothing would make me happier as a Packer fan as to see the Vikings move to LA.
    ==================================
    Why, so the Packers might actually be able to win the North with us gone? Nothing would make me happier than meeting you in the center of dome Sunday to provide the Viking fans with gladiator entertainment…..

    Further proof why the world considers Packer fans back woods bumpkins.One wrong turn in WI and you could be turned into hillbilly cannibal sausage, freaks….

  30. ruvelligwebuike says: Nov 18, 2010 2:36 PM

    First of all, Contra, I never said I wanted them to leave. I live in the Twin Cities, remember? Secondly, you are the all-time most venomous, classless, obnoxious PFTer in the history of PFT…trying to act like a humanitarian.

    Your post was like Hitler telling someone not to judge people by their ethnicity.

  31. ybo1 says: Nov 18, 2010 2:55 PM

    What the morons of the State of Minnesota don’t realize that if the Vikings leave so go all the revenue they bring into the state. Property taxes, sales taxes, liquor taxes, etc. Along with the business in town and all the sales the Vikings bring to local business all around the state. Minnesota will turn into “fly over land” like Iowa and Wisconsin (yes I know you have a team, but face it it’s closer to Chicago and more a part of that area then the whole state). With all the millions of dollars the state will lose if the Vikings leave, I do wonder how they will get those taxes back…?? Oh yea, raise them!!! With a state already in a financial heap, why they would let a revenue spewing thing like the Vikings leave? No, I don’t really want my taxes taken to build a stadium, but the Vikings don’t own the dome, nor will they own this. It’s the State that owns it so why shouldn’t they contribute to it? There are other ways to get funding, such as scratch tickets, license plates like the Packers have (you can choose the plate and pay extra for it… put your money where your mouth is), Taxes only on Viking items. An extra 1% going to the stadium. If this is posted on the items be they jerseys, t-shirts, tickets, etc I’d be willing to pay it keep them here. LA is more interested in a franchise team and no existing team will make it there. Raiders didn’t make it and I doubt the Vikes would, so I say keep them and their money here.

  32. notalib says: Nov 18, 2010 3:30 PM

    Difference between football fans and the fair weather people in Minnesota who pretend to be fans. 250,000 people in one county in Wisconsin voted to tax THEMSELVES to pay for the stadium for their pro football team.

    as for pervyharvin, what difference does it make if you win the division or not, you guys still can’t get to the Super Bowl……(0-4)

  33. contra74 says: Nov 18, 2010 3:36 PM

    ruvelligwebuike says:
    Nov 18, 2010 2:36 PM
    First of all, Contra, I never said I wanted them to leave. I live in the Twin Cities, remember? Secondly, you are the all-time most venomous, classless, obnoxious PFTer in the history of PFT…trying to act like a humanitarian.

    Your post was like Hitler telling someone not to judge people by their ethnicity.
    ———
    Im a diehard Viking fan that lives in LA. If they move it would benefit me but I know that the move will be bad for Minneapolis, the State of Minnesota, the NFC North and the NFL. Say what you’ll say about my past comments but the fact of the matter is that people only see the team and not the livelihoods of hundreds, if not thousands, of people are at stake. I know when to joke around and when to be serious and this is a serious matter.

  34. mediasloppy says: Nov 18, 2010 6:24 PM

    There was a stadium bill introduced and ready to pass, but Mr. Pawlenty killed it. Wanting to be the next President of the United States he just couldn’t allow taxes on Hotels, car services, merchandise and a few other things that virtually every other NFL franchise does…

  35. mediasloppy says: Nov 18, 2010 6:33 PM

    notalib says:
    Nov 18, 2010 3:30 PM
    Difference between football fans and the fair weather people in Minnesota who pretend to be fans. 250,000 people in one county in Wisconsin voted to tax THEMSELVES to pay for the stadium for their pro football team.
    —–
    That makes sense considering the Packers are owned by the public. At least that’s what Packers have said over the years.

  36. brewdogg says: Nov 18, 2010 11:53 PM

    Okay, let’s say this again….

    Start with whatever the state income tax is on 53 men making over $100 million/year for 25 years. That should be a minimum figure to begin the discussion of state contribution to any new stadium. People want to talk about not using taxes for a stadium and let them leave without bothering to consider the tax revenue that leaves with them.

    Just for fun, somebody find out what the Vikings paid out to the state last year. Just the organization, not the players.

  37. frank booth says: Nov 19, 2010 2:50 AM

    pervyharvin says:

    Nov 18, 2010 2:08 PM
    notalib says:Nov 18, 2010 11:51 AM Nothing would make me happier as a Packer fan as to see the Vikings move to LA.
    ==================================
    Why, so the Packers might actually be able to win the North with us gone?
    ===================================
    Pervy- FYI

    NFC North Division Championships

    Packers- 4
    Bears – 2
    Vikings – 2

    And the Vikings won’t be winning one this year.

  38. notalib says: Nov 19, 2010 9:32 AM

    Frank your dealing with a Minnesota fan your going to confuse Percy if you are using facts.

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