Jeff Fisher and Bud Adams look to be on a collision course

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Titans owner Bud Adams made it clear that he doesn’t want to choose between coach Jeff Fisher and Vince Young.  He told the two men to get along.

Before we move on from the Young fiasco, it’s worth pointing out that the message certainly hasn’t got through to Fisher yet.  Given the chance to soften some of his initial comments following Young’s mental meltdown, Fisher instead stepped up his stance.

1. Fisher repeated his point that Young would have lost his starting job, regardless of injury.   “Had there not been an injury, still his actions after the game he wouldn’t be the starter, OK?” Fisher said Monday.  “But we have an injury that is going to require surgery, so we’ve moved on.”

2. Fisher felt Young had no reason to be upset about not re-entering the game after hurting his thumb.

“He may have told other people, but he didn’t tell the head coach, the offensive coordinator or the quarterbacks coach. So as far as I’m concerned he didn’t tell anybody,” Fisher said.

3. Fisher subtly blamed Young for not getting Randy Moss the ball.

Adams says the dustup is not anything “real serious.”  Fisher clearly disagrees.  It’s hard to see a middle ground here.   Asked if Young would earn his big salary next year, Adams didn’t hesitate.

“Oh, God yeah,” Adams told Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean.  “He is under contract. I wouldn’t want to let him go . . .  we are going to pay him a lot of money.”

44 responses to “Jeff Fisher and Bud Adams look to be on a collision course

  1. It seems a lot of the pundits out there in sports talk land want to throw Fisher under the bus, get a new guy and continue on with Vince Young. That really disgusts me.
    These same pundits are quick to point out how the Titans have been out of playoff contention for the last 3 years, but seem to forget part of that was because of Vince Young’s mental breakdown in 2008 that persisted until the 2009 season. Young snapped and left Fisher holding the bag, but somehow Fisher is to blame for making a proper decision to keep Young out of the game after the injury?
    From where I sit, I saw Young get injured, the team physicians try to tape it up, and Fisher observe him attempt to throw some practice balls, grimacing while doing so. I wouldn’t have put Young back in either. You don’t want to aggravate the injury and lose him for part of next year, too. That’s what coaches do, they make the hard decisions on the information given to them.
    Young has acted like a prima donna far too often in the last 3 years. His behavior after the game was reprehensible, like a 2 year old being denied his favorite toy. The problem in Tennessee isn’t Fisher or Fisher’s “relationship” with Young, or even Moss. The problem rests solely with Young. Adams can fire Fisher all he wants, but it’s not going to fix the problem.

  2. I’m the last one who would ever stand up for Jeff Fisher but This Bud Adams fellow is quite the buffoon. I feel sorry for Titans fans, when the owner is an Idiot the Franchise seems to reflect that idiocy all the way down to the playing field. Dallas, Washington, Minny and a few more come to mind. Thank you Bob Kraft for buying the Patriots.

  3. Tough decision, Bud. But you’d better fire Jeff Fisher. He’s clearly not doing as good of a job as he used to. Time for a fresh start with a new coach.

    MEMO TO ZYGI WILF: Hire Jeff Fisher ASAP if he’s fired!

  4. I can’t imagine the nightmare of having an 86 year old boss. The guy was born in 1924 for God’s sake.

  5. Bud Adams is an idiot…..period. His infatuation with Vince Young will forever keep the Titans from SB contention. It’s amazing that all the true football experts are wrong but Bud is right when it comes to evaluating VY’s talent.

  6. At 87 years of age, Bud Adams has shown that senility knows no bounds. I could see Fisher playing him and an owner like Jerry Jones to get a better deal elsewhere in the NFL. Fisher has grounds to bolt because the old man breached Fisher’s contract by forcing VY upon Fisher last season.

  7. Bud Adams is looking more like Bud Abbott here, playing the straight-man but knowing this is a comedy of errors. You CANNOT undermine one of the best coaches in the game for an immature crybaby. Be prepared to eat that goose you’re cooking, Bud….

  8. My guess is Fisher will be out next year, not Young. Adams seems to have a major hard on for VY, and frankly, Fisher could probably find a better situation…not necessarily in terms of an immediate contender…but in terms of a front office that realizes he’s one of the most seasoned coaches in the business and respects his evaluations of the players and of the team as a whole.

    Dallas would not be a good landing spot for him, he would be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire (plus, I’m pretty sure that job will go to Garrett moving forward)…but I can see him making his way back to Houston, for sure, or even Carolina. I would say Chicago is a long shot #3.

  9. Saw clips of Fishers press conference, Ive never seen him as PO about something . Hes protected VY & is now bringing to public whats been going wrong behind the scenes. I read his shot at VYs 9-5 work habit w his comment on the rookie QB.

    If police had to separate them as one story reported, something more serious occurred beyond cursing the coach. Please provide more on what that was about, he may have pulled OchoCinco & threw a punch.

  10. vince young sucks, he had 1 good game against the raiders the the titans clearly cheated. they knew all of the raiders signals

  11. Let’s see.

    Owner owns team (see JJ in Dallas, Zyg Minn.). The coach serves at his pleasure. When said owner is no longer pleased, the coach gets fired.

    It’s really not complicated.

    Here’s a short list of canned coaches. It would seem in hindsight that they all must of done something right, but yet they still got fired. So if Jeff goes he’ll be in some good company. Also Fisher a USC guy. So if a team is moving to LA, then he would would seem to be a natural choice. But then again, that would make too much sense. After all, this is the NFL.

    Tom Landry
    Pete Carroll
    Bill Belichick
    Marty Schottenheimer
    Steve Spurrier
    Mike Ditka

  12. IMHO, Fisher quits and takes the HC job for the Houston Texans. He’ll instantly bring credibility and a defensive mindset to a team that needs only that (they already have a QB and a RB).

  13. I’ll take Fisher over Mike Tomlin. I was hoping the Steelers could get him before we got Tomlin.

    Even though I hate Fisher, he is a great coach. I don’t blame him for anything on this.

  14. This is why CEO’s in football are different than those in other fields. They aren’t “Personnel Managers”. Some “get it” and leave these decisions to the qualified people that they supposedly hired (ie; Robert Kraft) and others don’t, and constantly meddle with personnel decisions that end up costing them wins (ie; Jerruh, Dan Snyder).

    Bud Adams is in the latter group, and is looking at Vince Young for the capital investment he has in him, rather than for the physical and mental skills he has – or doesn’t have – for the job he is there to perform.

    If Adams had a designated underling (ie; General Manager) whose sole job it was to evaluate the performance of his investment (ie; VY), he could then see beyond the fallacy of protecting this investment of capital, and realize that this player is not contributing to the goal of the organization (ie; Vince Young ain’t ever gonna get the Titans to the Super Bowl).

    Vince Young has neither the talent to get the job done, the personal drive to know what he has to do to develop his skills into those talents, and the maturity to dedicate himself to improving, and inspiring those who look to him as a leader.

    Wake up Bud Adams, and realize what Jeff Fisher, your coaching staff, and every intelligent fan in Memphis already knows: Vince Young is a collosal waste of your money. You need to cut those losses, NOW.

    For that matter, what exactly has Jeff Fisher brought you for your 17 year investment in him? Cut them both, and look for a better solution for each.

  15. Jeff Fisher will have a new job faster than the Titans can have a news conference announcing their new coach.

    While I always hesitate to sing the praises of a guy who has coached as long as he has without winning a championship, I make an exception for this guy.

    The situations he has deal with, from the move from Houston, the season in Memphis, and now the ongoing VY soap opera plus a senile, meddling owner.

    This guy deserves better. I hope we goes to a more stable situation and wins a Super Bowl.

  16. Young sucks, period. But someone please remind me, what has Fisher ever won? Extremely overrated head coach

  17. My guess is that history is playing a big part in Bud’s decision. He went thru a similar scenario with Warren Moon and Cody Carlson. Who’s Cody Carlson you say!?!? Exactly, that’s my point. The fans wanted Warren Moon gone and for this guy to be the QB ….he didnt even last one game into the following season. There were even times the fans wanted Neil O’Donnell to start over Steve McNair …..(Yeah, I know …funny, aint it?) Next question, .. who’s Rusty Smith!?!? Exactly! Final question, … who else you gonna get? With that being said, … Vince is the best option at this point because no one else is available …. Kerry Collins can no longer throw the ball for more the 30 yards and wont last a full season. The fans have no sense of Oiler history and therefore do not know all the mistakes Bud made and is desperately trying not to make again. He knows QB’s dont grow on trees and that this is a team sport. If the Ravens can win a SB with Trent Dilfer, then it should be possible with VY…. me thinks!!!

  18. There are about 15 NFL teams putting Jeff Fisher on speed dial right now, in the off chance that he leaves Tennessee.

  19. Fisher over Young. Hmmm….that’s like Mercedes over Yugo.

    If Fisher is let go he would be hired in about 100 milli-seconds.

  20. @mfclock

    I couldn’t think of a better place for Fisher than Denver. He would certainly bring them back to glory.

    McDaniels is welcome back here in NE.

  21. Aw, that’s cute. Bud thinks this will work out.

    That’s smart Bud, fire Fisher so you can keep your bust QB.

  22. Are we sure this isn’t a Thomas Jefferson situation, where VY is Adams’ (great, great grand)son?

  23. No coach worth anything will want to work for Bud Adams if he ditches Jeff Fisher for Vince Young.

    The partial 1994 season aside, Fisher has had four losing seasons in 17 years. No one currently coaching has more experience as an NFL head coach.

    If Adams thinks he can find a replacement for Fisher, good freakin’ luck.

  24. PLEASE GOD, let Bud Adams make the century’s most stupid mistake and let Jeff Fisher walk … that way Stephen Ross can hire him in Miami and get the Dolphins back on track.

  25. Texans don’t have a leader on offense. Young acts like a 3 year old, but can be a good QB in this league, and Moss and C. Johnson are “Me.” guys. Britt has his own problems.

  26. righthereisay,

    So you’d take Fisher’s 6 for 16 winnning season clip over Tomlin’s Super Bowl win in his 2nd season to go with 3 for 3 winning season stretch (headed for 4)?

    When Fisher’s fired, I doubt if he ever wins more than 7 games again in this league. He’s a very average head coach, even his best teams weren’t great because his approach doesn’t win championships….it’s that play it close to the vest and try to win on a couple of plays in the 4th quarter approach. Ask Dolphin fans how that approach has worked out for them this last decade.

    Take a look back at the statistics of those teams, they weren’t that great on either side of the ball, which falls directly on him and the style of play he pushes..he doesn’t maximize what he has. it took until Eddie George was noticeably through before he opened up the passing attack with mcNair mid-season 2002, which was a moot point by that time because the window had closed on the other parts of the team. His 2 best teams, 2000 and 2008, didn’t even win a playoff game against inferior teams that they faced in the playoffs.

    He’s frankly made it this far on the strength of a great QB, McNair (RIP), a fluky playoff run over 10 years ago where the stars aligned, and the media propaganda that’s told you so many times that he’s a great HC, which many of you dummies now believe. For what reasons, I don’t know and no one can quite tell me why they feel that way.

    And before anyone says that ownership hampers him, Jack pardee did fine year in, year out with that same ownership in the early 90’s holding that team in Super Bowl contention, so get another excuse.

  27. Bud Adams is in danger of making Al Davis appear sane. Even Crazy Al finally listened to reason and dumped JaWalrus.

    Fisher should wash his hands of this mess and go coach a real team.

  28. Can the Eagles and Titans trade coaches? Both highly successful over their terms as head coaches and neither with a ring. Philly is sick of Reid for that reason (and his arrogance) and would love to have Fisher back in town, and Nashville seems to be sick of Fisher for the same reasons.

  29. realfootballfan says:
    Nov 23, 2010 1:20 PM
    righthereisay,

    So you’d take Fisher’s 6 for 16 winnning season clip over Tomlin’s Super Bowl win in his 2nd season to go with 3 for 3 winning season stretch (headed for 4)?

    When Fisher’s fired, I doubt if he ever wins more than 7 games again in this league. He’s a very average head coach, even his best teams weren’t great because his approach doesn’t win championships….it’s that play it close to the vest and try to win on a couple of plays in the 4th quarter approach. Ask Dolphin fans how that approach has worked out for them this last decade.

    So…this TOTALLY explains why a completely green rookie QB was winging it 50 yards down the field in the 4th quarter of a game the Titans led at the time by 3 points, instead of playing it close to the vest and handing the rock off to Chris Johnson.

    Because Fisher is unable to be aggressive!

    I think Jeff Fisher is to the Titans what Tom Coughlin is to the Jaguars.

  30. Well, it seems like Bud Adams has been vying for the spot of “Al Davis of the East”. He’s been inserting his nose into football personal matters where he shouldn’t. If Fisher leaves, than good for him. There have to be 1/2 dozen teams out there that would love to have him.

  31. vadertime ,

    In what way? Until those last couple of seasons, Coughlin won every year, wento a couple of AFC championship games, and was always aggressive in Jacksonville, his defenses just weren’t championship level.

    Also, winging it down field with a rookie late in the game makes my point exactly…the key phrase being late in the game. He tries to play field position, run the ball, and win in the end, which isn’t winning championships in this league today, unless the 2002 Bucs or 2000 Ravens suit up. He’s been trying that formula and failing spectacularly for 16 years now.

    He’s been .500 or worse 10 out of his 16 seasons with alot of 5-11 type stinker seasons in there over the last 16.
    I’m sorry I just don’t get why others put this guy on a pedestal, when he’s a mediocre HC. Three of his 5 plaoff wins came 11 years ago in 1999….think about the absurdity of that when he had some great players on those teams, especially with McNair at QB.

    If anybody stays somewhere that long, they’re bound to have a couple of good years mixed in there somewhere. Why does he still have this job is the real mystery.

    And while Young is clearly petulant and needs to gain some measure of maturity, let’s not forget that Fisher’s choice in that draft class was Matt Leinart, last seen falling off the Houston Texans bench from all those splinters.


  32. realfootballfan says:
    Nov 23, 2010 4:38 PM
    vadertime ,

    In what way? Until those last couple of seasons, Coughlin won every year, wento a couple of AFC championship games, and was always aggressive in Jacksonville, his defenses just weren’t championship level.

    That ’99 Jags defense may beg to differ (1st in points allowed, 4th in yards allowed…)

    Coughlin compiled a .531 winning percentage in Jax. He’s about .551 for his career.

    Also, winging it down field with a rookie late in the game makes my point exactly…the key phrase being late in the game. He tries to play field position, run the ball, and win in the end

    It doesn’t make your point exactly, because they weren’t pounding the ball (what little time they had it) in the first half. The run play percentage was less than 50%.

    Just because they didn’t complete the “aggressive” pass plays early in the game doesn’t mean those plays weren’t called.

    What you’re describing used to be Fisher’s style, especially with Les Steckel. But things have expanded a lot since then.

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