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Week 12 picks

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We’ve already listed our picks for the Thanksgiving games.  And now it’s time to empty the tank for the rest of the games.

Let’s see if Rosenthal can hold me off.

This week should be interesting.  We disagree on six games, and we actually predicted the exact same score for one of the biggest games of the week.

UPDATE:  The “Read More” link isn’t showing up in the Rumor Mill.  If you’re seeing this in the Rumor Mill, click on “Permalink” to get the full list of picks.

Vikings at Redskins

Florio’s take:  The Leslie Frazier era begins in Minnesota.  Most assume that a new coach will cure what ails the Vikings.  Over the long haul, it’s unclear whether it will work.  For one week at least, look for the departure of Brad Childress to allow the Vikings to focus on doing their job and salvaging some pride.

Florio’s pick:  Vikings 24, Redskins 16.

Rosenthal’s take: I’m not picking the Vikings because of the Jason Garrett effect.  (Or the Leslie Frazier effect in this case.)  This theory supposes that Minnesota’s veterans will suddenly start trying with Herr Childress gone, showing the old boss what a bum he was.  I’m picking the Vikings because it’s just wrong for this Redskins team to hit 6-5 and Washington is more banged up than ever.

Rosenthal’s pick: Vikings 22, Redskins 16.

Titans at Texans

Florio’s take:  The Titans return to Houston without a certain Houston native at quarterback.  Both teams are disintegrating, but the Texans have enough to outscore a team with a quarterback depth chart that currently consists of Rusty Smith and Chris Simms.

Florio’s pick:  Texans 27, Titans 17.

Rosenthal’s take: Rusty Smith picked a good week to make his first NFL start.  Houston’s defense is an epic disaster and Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger knows how to make chicken salad out of rookie quarterbacks.  Jeff Fisher’s teams are historically at their best when things look bleak.

Rosenthal’s pick: Titans 20, Texans 16.

Jaguars at Giants

Florio’s take:  The Jags have embarked on an unlikely winning streak, and the Giants have slumped after winning five in a row.  Despite a dearth of receivers, the Giants have the defense to keep it close and the offense to outscore the Jags.

Florio’s pick:  Giants 17, Jaguars 10.

Rosenthal’s take: It wasn’t that long ago when the Jaguars lost 30-3 and 42-20 in successive weeks.  Jaguars fans wanted Jack Del Rio out and Trent Edwards at quarterback.  Three wins later, the Jaguars are in first place.  Respect from the football populace remains one win away.  The Giants are badly banged up, yet they are 7.5-point favorites against another 6-4 team.  Take the points and take the over on the Giants defense recording three sacks.

Rosenthal’s pick: Giants 23, Jaguars 20.

Panthers at Browns

Florio’s take:  The Browns currently are good enough to play with anyone.  The Panthers currently are bad enough to play with no one.  And John Fox crosses another day off his calendar.

Florio’s pick:  Browns 28, Panthers 16.

Rosenthal’s take:  Colt McCoy has been a terrific story, but some time off won’t crush the Browns if their offensive line regains their form after an off week in Jacksonville.  Seneca Wallace or the $7 million man Jake Delhomme can get it done.  Cleveland shouldn’t need much offense, regardless of whether John Fox trots out Jimmy Clausen, Brian St. Pierre, or Rodney Peete.

Rosenthal’s pick: Browns 21, Panthers 16.

Steelers at Bills

Florio’s take:  The Steelers got it all together at home against the Raiders, prompting many to assume that the Steelers are back.  But the Bills have been playing well for the last five weeks, and they unleashed an epic explosion on the Bengals in the second half of Sunday’s 49-31 win.  It’s tempting to go with the upset here, especially since Bills coach Chan Gailey may derive an extra little boost from the prospect of facing one of his former teams.

Florio’s pick:  Steelers 27, Bills 14.

Rosenthal’s take:  The Bills are 2-3 since their bye week, with the three losses coming by a combined nine points.  (All to winning teams.)  In this up-and-down year, Buffalo is as consistent lately as any team.  Mike Tomlin admits the Steelers are an emotional squad, prone to big ups and downs.  This could be a dangerous game for the Steelers, coming off the high of last week’s blowout win.

Rosenthal’s pick:  Steelers 27, Bills 26.

Packers at Falcons

Florio’s take:  The Falcons have been unbeatable at home, and the Packers have been dominant.  On Sunday, something has to give.  Given that the Falcons (with the benefit of a pass interference penalty that wasn’t called) managed to beat the Ravens, a better overall team than the Packers, we’ll defer to the home team in a game that could go a long way toward determining where the possible postseason rematch will occur.

Florio’s pick:  Falcons 28, Packers 27.

Rosenthal’s take: The battle of who can make fewer mistakes.  The Falcons have committed the fewest penalties in football, while the Packers have only eight penalties during their four-game winning streak.  Atlanta hasn’t committed a turnover in three games and has a +10 turnover margin.  The Packers are +8.  We should expect a well-played, one-score game because every Falcons home game is close.  Edge goes to the more explosive passing attack.  This game is too good to be at 1 p.m. ET.

Rosenthal’s pick: Packers 27, Falcons 24.

Chiefs at Seahawks

Florio’s take:  Two teams that enjoy significant home-field advantages, and that hold the lead in the worst two divisions in football, get together in Seattle, where the Seahawks have the edge.  Of course, they had the edge against the Giants a couple of weeks ago.  Of course, the Chiefs aren’t the Giants.

Florio’s pick:  Seahawks 21, Chiefs 17.

Rosenthal’s take: A weird game that means a lot.  Even one win against a quality team could get Seattle to eight wins and a division title.  The Chiefs, meanwhile, need at least one or two more road wins to finish atop the AFC West.  (The last Chiefs road win was in Week Two.)  The difference here will be on the ground.  Seattle’s banged up defensive line can’t handle Jamaal Charles.

Rosenthal’s pick: Chiefs 28, Seahawks 21.

Dolphins at Raiders

Florio’s take:  This one conjures memories of that epic 1974 playoff game that ended Miami’s run of two straight Super Bowl wins.  The only difference?  Neither team is as good as they were 36 years ago.  Both come off of embarrassing showings, but the Raiders have a little more right now than the Dolphins.

Florio’s pick:  Raiders 24, Dolphins 20.

Rosenthal’s take: The Raiders have responded well to embarrassment this year, rebounding from their ugliest losses (Tennessee, San Francisco) with wins.  Miami has similarly bounced back from their worst moments to find life.  Something has to give here.  Even if Tyler Thigpen plays, I stubbornly believe the Dolphins are a better team than their pathetic showing against the Bears indicated.

Rosenthal’s pick: Dolphins 19, Raiders 17.

Rams at Broncos

Florio’s take:  The Broncos rediscovered their home-field advantage in Week 10, with a 20-point shellacking of the Chiefs.  But then the Broncos rediscovered their stink against the Chargers.  The Rams remain very much alive to win the division, and winning only at home won’t be enough to get it done.

Florio’s pick:  Rams 28, Broncos 27.

Rosenthal’s take: Sam Bradford is promising, but this Rams offense is still very poor.  They are 30th in points.  Only the Panthers are less efficient through the air.  While the Rams’ pass rush is impressive, the secondary has sprung leaks in recent weeks.  The Rams haven’t won a road game all year and now have three straight away from St. Louis. This game will show have far the team has to go.

Rosenthal’s pick: Broncos 31, Rams 24.

Eagles at Bears

Florio’s take:  I’ve been down on the Bears all year, and now it’s time to make amends.  With Mike Vick on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week and the Bears surely sick of hearing about Vick, a rested and motivated and overachieving Bears team will use the Giants’ defensive game plan as a launching point for their own attempt to confuse and confound Vick.  Though the Eagles likely will still make the playoffs and Vick will remain an unlikely MVP candidate, Philly won’t be running the table — and the Bears will take full advantage of their chance to enter the ranks of the NFC’s elite.

Florio’s pick:  Bears 24, Eagles 20.

Rosenthal’s take: The Bears defense is legitimately great. They could give Michael Vick even more problems than the Giants did.  The problem here is that the Eagles are balanced.  They can win games with their offense or defense, through the air or on the ground.  Raise your hand if you think Jay Cutler can hold up against a pressure-based, quality defense at this point.   (OK, put it down Shanahan. You look ridiculous.)

Rosenthal’s pick: Eagles 20, Bears 14.

Buccaneers at Ravens

Florio’s take:  I really want to take the Bucs.  I really want to take the Bucs.  I really want to take the Bucs.  I don’t have the nerve to take the Bucs.  Yet.

Florio’s pick:  Ravens 24, Buccaneers 17.

Rosenthal’s take: Mike Mayock likes to compare Josh Freeman to Joe Flacco.  I agree they’re similar, but Freeman is three years younger and may already be better.  Flacco has the better supporting cast, though.  The combined record of the seven teams Tampa has beaten: 17-53.  The combined record of the three teams Tampa lost to: 22-8.

Rosenthal’s pick: Ravens 30, Bucs 24.

Chargers at Colts

Florio’s take:  The Chargers match up really well with the Colts, winning four of the last five meetings.  But for their playoff meetings, the stakes have never been higher for the Colts, given that a loss would drop them to 6-5 and put them at serious risk of ending their eight-year streak of 10-win seasons and playoff appearances.  The spirit of Peyton Manning is willing, but the flesh of his teammates is weak.  And the Chargers once again are red hot.

Florio’s pick:  Chargers 34, Colts 30.

Rosenthal’s take: These two teams haven’t played each other at Indianapolis since Billy Volek helped finish off the Colts in the 2007 Divisional Round playoffs. The Chargers match up well because of their physical offensive line.  San Diego also has the secondary to slow Peyton Manning down.  Put this one on Philip Rivers’ MVP resume.

Rosenthal’s pick: Chargers 34, Colts 30.

49ers at Cardinals

Florio’s take:  Monday night will be a perfect time to break out the Christmas tree, because the dog will be urinating on the television instead.

Florio’s pick:  Cardinals 24, 49ers 13.

Rosenthal’s take: If nothing else, this game will finally knock one dreadful NFC West team out of realistic playoff contention.  The winner here, on the other hand, may only be one game out of first.  I desperately want to pick both teams to lose, but Florio won’t allow that.  The 49ers will either stay winless on the road or I’ll stay winless picking the Cardinals to win.

Rosenthal’s pick:  Cardinals 20, 49ers 17.

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52 Responses to “Week 12 picks”
  1. cleonslamminsalmon says: Nov 24, 2010 1:12 AM

    Florio picks Minnesota to win and Green Bay to lose. Hilarious. Yeah, because Minnesota’s defense got a lot younger this week?

  2. norcaleagles says: Nov 24, 2010 1:21 AM

    Da Bears can suck on Deez Ballz!! Bird is the Word! Go Eagles!!

  3. goldsteel says: Nov 24, 2010 1:45 AM

    My picks;
    Redskins
    Texans
    Giants
    Browns
    Steelers GO STEELERS!
    Falcons
    Chiefs
    Raiders
    Rams
    Eagles
    Ravens
    Colts
    49ers

  4. jimmysee says: Nov 24, 2010 2:24 AM

    The ‘Niners must be pretty sorry if neither of you geniuses would pick them to take the Cards!

  5. ravensfanincali says: Nov 24, 2010 2:51 AM

    And what have you seen that would prompt you to day that Freeman is better than Flacco aside from the fact that Flacco has one of the best passer ratings since week 2. Good to know the two main”experts” at PFT are anti-Ravens. And what college or pro team did you guys play football for?

  6. mackowkw says: Nov 24, 2010 3:05 AM

    Finally a little love for the Bears.

  7. brasho says: Nov 24, 2010 5:51 AM

    Buccaneers at Ravens

    Florio’s take: I really want to take the Bucs. I really want to take the Bucs. I really want to take the Bucs. I don’t have the nerve to take the Bucs. Yet.

    Florio’s pick: Ravens 24, Buccaneers 17.

    ++++++++++++

    Wow, somebody’s turned the corner on the Bucs. I hate to say it, but I have to pick against them this week, too. Of course the last two times I did that they beat the Bengals on the road and nearly beat the Falcons on the road. This game might be close.

  8. floriostoupee says: Nov 24, 2010 7:10 AM

    Florio’s take: Monday night will be a perfect time to break out the Christmas tree, because the dog will be urinating on the television instead.

    wow florio that was actually pretty funny. and true. and sad.

  9. sdw2001 says: Nov 24, 2010 7:11 AM

    Florio’s take: I’ve been down on the Bears all year, and now it’s time to make amends. With Mike Vick on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week and the Bears surely sick of hearing about Vick, a rested and motivated and overachieving Bears team will use the Giants’ defensive game plan as a launching point for their own attempt to confuse and confound Vick. Though the Eagles likely will still make the playoffs and Vick will remain an unlikely MVP candidate, Philly won’t be running the table — and the Bears will take full advantage of their chance to enter the ranks of the NFC’s elite.

    ———

    Man Florio, I’m really starting not to like you. There is literally no reason to pick the Bears in this one. The Bears are completely overrated, with a marginal-at-best offense and a good defense. Their defense is not the Giants defense and on offense, Cutler can still be a pick machine. The Eagles should win this and convincingly so. Please.

  10. EJ says: Nov 24, 2010 7:21 AM

    Steelers at Bills

    Florio’s pick: Steelers 27, Bills 14. Rosenthal’s pick: Steelers 27, Bills 26.

    The Steelers coming off a big win, along with the Bills coming off of their emotional 4th quarter win over Cincinatti should make for a good game…
    However… The difference between the Bengals and Pittsburgh is like comparing what would happen if Mike Florio was to enter the boxing ring against Mike Tyson…
    My pick: Steelers 34, Bills 14.

  11. zoxitic says: Nov 24, 2010 8:18 AM

    This makes 4 weeks in a row you picked against the Jaguars. Do you not have any concern about your win-loss record?

  12. proudlycanadian says: Nov 24, 2010 8:39 AM

    The Bills in the upset of the week against the “dirty” Steelers.

  13. kakish88 says: Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM

    Its fairly obvious in my eyes FREEMAN is better than Flacco, without a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just check the stat lines and compare the too & when it comes to raw ability it aint even close, better arm strength, better speed, better height.

  14. momobait says: Nov 24, 2010 8:47 AM

    Packers over the Falcons, Rodgers will pass like a demon in the dome and who’s gonna stop Matthews.

  15. tip1984 says: Nov 24, 2010 8:59 AM

    I’d be surprised if the Packers, Eagles, Ravens, Steelers all don’t win by 10+.

    Upset of the week:
    Jags over Giants just b/c the Giants are a bunch of crybabies that beat up on crappy teams and can’t beat good teams(are the Jags a good team? idk). Oh and Eli is a turnover machine.

  16. broncsfan says: Nov 24, 2010 9:12 AM

    Even if the 49ers had lived up to preseason hype and the post-Warner era hadn’t been so disastrous for Arizona, anyone could have predicted Packers-Falcons would still be the more watchable game this week. Way to go, ESPN.

  17. mannyicey says: Nov 24, 2010 9:32 AM

    I can’t understand the Vikings over the Redskins pick. And here’s the big reason- Brett Favre. He’s simply… too… old. He shows you glimpses of his former self, but I can show you glimpses of my former self, too. I mean, I can break-dance very well, but I shouldn’t be on “So You Think You Can Dance.” You know why? Because I’m too old.

    Here’s what I would like to see: Brett Favre on a headset helping T-Jack with his game.

  18. Rex Grossman says: Nov 24, 2010 9:33 AM

    Vick can suck my bawls thru my drawls.

    CUZ DA BEARS ARE MUTHA F%$@IN MONSTAS!!!!

  19. somesome says: Nov 24, 2010 9:41 AM

    kakish88 says:
    Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM
    Its fairly obvious in my eyes FREEMAN is better than Flacco, without a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just check the stat lines and compare the too & when it comes to raw ability it aint even close, better arm strength, better speed, better height.
    —————————————
    Maybe you should be bothered to just look it up. Flac is better in EVERY SINGLE category aside from just pure wins and post season performance … aside Flacco has actually beaten teams with a winning record which Freeman fails.
    This game might seem close on paper but the Bucs will just get chilled come Sunday … Ravens by three TDs, one from each team.

  20. comeonnowguys says: Nov 24, 2010 9:52 AM

    Fine Print:

    The views expressed by Rex Grossman do not reflect that of Bear fandom, the city of Chicago, the state of Illinois, or the Sony Corporation.

    (c) MMX

  21. clayswife says: Nov 24, 2010 10:01 AM

    This will be a huge test indeed…. Even as a die-hard I had accepted the fact that they would lose to the Jets… and then they shut them out at home. I’ll just take slow, deep breaths and hope that we don’t miss an entire quarter like we did against the Queens last week.

  22. Move Them Chains says: Nov 24, 2010 10:12 AM

    somesome says:
    Nov 24, 2010 9:41 AM
    kakish88 says:
    Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM
    Its fairly obvious in my eyes FREEMAN is better than Flacco, without a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just check the stat lines and compare the too & when it comes to raw ability it aint even close, better arm strength, better speed, better height.
    —————————————
    Maybe you should be bothered to just look it up. Flac is better in EVERY SINGLE category aside from just pure wins and post season performance … aside Flacco has actually beaten teams with a winning record which Freeman fails.
    This game might seem close on paper but the Bucs will just get chilled come Sunday … Ravens by three TDs, one from each team.

    ————————————————-You stole my glory somesome…

    Freeman is having a great year for a sophmore QB but to say he is better than Flacco is just ignorant. Look at the stats. I really got a kick out of the “better height” comment..?? They’re both 6′-6″..lol. When the bucs play good teams, they get blown out. I don’t see any reason why that won’t be the case on Sunday.

  23. rabidbillsfan says: Nov 24, 2010 10:20 AM

    @ EJ

    Yea comparing the Bengals to the Steelers is like apples to oranges. However, the Bengals offense exploded all over the Steelers in the second half of the Monday night game a few weeks back, which exposed a shakey Steelers pass defense. Also, this Bills offense is much better than the Bengals. Ryan Fitzpatrick is playing out of his mind right now, although inconsistent, and I belive is a better quarterback at this time than Carson Palmer. The defense seems to be finding its way as well, look for the turnovers to keep coming as they build confidence. With Spiller expected back, and Fred Jackson hitting his stride, this offense is just to balanced to be blown out. This will be the upset of the week.

    Bills 35- Steelers 34

  24. somesome says: Nov 24, 2010 10:21 AM

    momobait says:
    Nov 24, 2010 8:47 AM
    Packers over the Falcons, Rodgers will pass like a demon in the dome and who’s gonna stop Matthews.
    ——————————————–
    … the refs

  25. uscgbuc says: Nov 24, 2010 10:39 AM

    Maybe you should be bothered to just look it up. Flac is better in EVERY SINGLE category aside from just pure wins and post season performance … aside Flacco has actually beaten teams with a winning record which Freeman fails.
    This game might seem close on paper but the Bucs will just get chilled come Sunday … Ravens by three TDs, one from each team.

    You are ridiculous. Flacco has .2 more yds per pass, .1% better QB rating, .1% better accuracy and 300 more yards passing with 40 more attempts. Freeman has thrown fewer INT’s, Rushed for 200 yds more and has been sacked fewer times. Freeman is Bigger,Stronger,Better Arm Strength, more elusive, Faster and doesnt have a UNIBROW!!! The stats will shift this weekend as Flacco will fae the team with the most INT’s in the league and the 6th ranked passing defense.

    Your best chance will be to RUN the ball, but Frank Gore tried last week and netted 23 yds on 12 carries 1.9per carry and 37 receiving yds. This man averages 132 yds per game and managed just 60 against these young BUCS!! This comes from a team starting 7 rookies!!

    I hate stats, but since you called out Freeman I figured I’d spit some your way.

    I’m going to save this post so you can read it again in the one liners after the game. The BUCS MAY lose, but they will earn a little more respect just like in Atlanta. This teams average age is 24.5 and will be around for a long time!

  26. Jack Burton says: Nov 24, 2010 10:47 AM

    @ rabidbillsfan

    CJ Spiller couldn’t get 40 yards rushing on his own defense, let’s be realistic. The only way he has an impact in this game would be him running back a kick.

    Johnson might have some big catches but I can see the Steelers being in the backfield quite a bit coming of that Raiders beat down.

  27. uscgbuc says: Nov 24, 2010 10:49 AM

    The Bucs are not worried about the Baltimore Browns….Please you guys are seriously old and falling apart. The Bucs have built for Championships from the ground up. You lost your best coach to the Jets and half of your roster is collecting social security checks. I bet your entire defense would defect to the jets if given the chance because that teams swagger walked out the door when Rex left. Let your spitting fullback get the urge this weekend, Talib will puch his a$s in the face like a smart mouothed cab driver. Do yourselves a favor, beg ownership to sell this team to Los Angeles because you need to hire a new band and cry about your missing team so you can pilfer Cleveland again. they are on the rise, good young team.

    Atleast the Bucs lost to winning teams, you CLOWNS lost to the Bengals!!!hahahaqhahahahahahahahaahah

  28. halasfan says: Nov 24, 2010 11:13 AM

    Hope Peppers and Idonije can squash Vick “the Dog Slayer.”

  29. pfii63 says: Nov 24, 2010 11:24 AM

    Monday night will be a perfect time to break out the Christmas tree, because the dog will be urinating on the television instead.

    —————————————————-

    Best. Line. Ever.

    Damn…. I already put my tree up.

  30. rabidbillsfan says: Nov 24, 2010 11:45 AM

    @ Jack Burton

    So what your saying is that he can’t run between the tackles, but he can score on special teams? Is that supposed to be an insult? I will take the points however they come. Fitzpatrick is alot more mobile than the last 3 QB’s the Steelers have faced, and they have 3 consistent offensive weapons in the passing game. I’m not guraunteeing a win however, this one has upset alert written all over it.

  31. dreamicus says: Nov 24, 2010 11:51 AM

    Geesh! When did Joe Flacco get so bad? What did he do to make everyone start hating on him? He’s won big games every year. He has the best QB rating in the league over the last 7 games. He’s thrown 1 pick in the last 7 games. He consistently throws for over 250 yards, and no picks. He plays his best in the fourth quarter. He does not play defense or call the plays. It would be interesting to see how good he would be if he HAD to throw on almost every down. I can’t think of one single game he’s lost the team in his three years. If it weren’t for the Raven’s D, everyone would be talking about him after the Atlanta game and his fourth quarter comeback, which was actually more impressive. So, someone, please explain why Flacco is so bad.

    Why is Rivers getting so much love with one of the best rated defenses and top rated offense and a ton of losses to sub par teams? He finds a way to lose. We’re supposed to be impressed by beating the Broncos?

    As for Freeman, the only stat he’s better in is rushing. Flacco doesn’t have to run. Plus, I don’t want my QB running and taking all those extra hits. His legs won’t do him any good on the bench. Plus, who has Freeman played? They got crushed, at home, to the Steeler’s minus Big Ben. They fade in every big game.

  32. dreamicus says: Nov 24, 2010 11:58 AM

    And…as for USCGBUC…

    you go on to read the stats and state that Freeman is still better, even though that stats you read indicate Flaccos are better. Freeman has two fewer int’s and two fewer TD’s. You keep talking trash, and then, at the end, you say this:

    “I’m going to save this post so you can read it again in the one liners after the game. The BUCS MAY lose, but they will earn a little more respect just like in Atlanta. This teams average age is 24.5 and will be around for a long time!”

    The Buc’s may lose. So you don’t even have faith in the guy you promoting or the team. In your eyes the Ravens suck. But, in your eyes, they will still prolly win. What exactly were you trying to say? And, for the record, the previous Flacco comments were in response to a comment indicating Freeman’s stats were far superior to Flacco’s.

  33. PFTiswhatitis says: Nov 24, 2010 11:59 AM

    #G should crush you this week Florio.

  34. crabcakeandfootball1 says: Nov 24, 2010 12:00 PM

    uscgbuc says:
    Nov 24, 2010 10:49 AM
    The Bucs are not worried about the Baltimore Browns….Please you guys are seriously old and falling apart. The Bucs have built for Championships from the ground up. You lost your best coach to the Jets and half of your roster is collecting social security checks. I bet your entire defense would defect to the jets if given the chance because that teams swagger walked out the door when Rex left. Let your spitting fullback get the urge this weekend, Talib will puch his a$s in the face like a smart mouothed cab driver. Do yourselves a favor, beg ownership to sell this team to Los Angeles because you need to hire a new band and cry about your missing team so you can pilfer Cleveland again. they are on the rise, good young team.

    Atleast the Bucs lost to winning teams, you CLOWNS lost to the Bengals!!!hahahaqhahahahahahahahaahah

    ——————————————————
    haha Aqib Talib hah? All Ravens need to do is send Oher, Ngata and Lewis to a battle and those three will handle all 53 scrubs on your roster. Your team has been blown out twice this season, already. However, you have to go back almost 4 years to the last time Ravens lost badly.

  35. crabcakeandfootball1 says: Nov 24, 2010 12:06 PM

    kakish88 says:
    Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM
    Its fairly obvious in my eyes FREEMAN is better than Flacco, without a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just check the stat lines and compare the too & when it comes to raw ability it aint even close, better arm strength, better speed, better height.

    ——————————————
    smoke much? You lack credibility whenever your argument is reduced to ‘height’ and ‘speed’ for measuring a QB. Flacco has nearly 400 more yards and two more TD’s. Flacco has three playoff wins and an AFC Championship appearance. Second to Rodgers, Flacco can throw the ball longer than any other QB in the league. The guy can throw 45-50 yards with a flick of the wrist. In addition, he threw a 75-yard pass at the combine. So it seems like there is DOUBT whether Flacco is better than Freeman. Finally, Ravens aren’t so hospitable of younger QB’s.

  36. scra22 says: Nov 24, 2010 12:36 PM

    uscgbuc says:
    Nov 24, 2010 10:49 AM
    Atleast the Bucs lost to winning teams, you CLOWNS lost to the Bengals!!!hahahaqhahahahahahahahaahah

    ===

    I’m not even a Ravens fan, but at least the Ravens have beaten a team with a winning record. Every time the Bucs face a team with a winning record, they’ve lost (and 2 out of three times, they got blown out at home).

  37. scra22 says: Nov 24, 2010 12:40 PM

    cleonslamminsalmon says:
    Nov 24, 2010 1:12 AM
    Florio picks Minnesota to win and Green Bay to lose. Hilarious. Yeah, because Minnesota’s defense got a lot younger this week?

    ========

    Florio is a Vikings fan. We all have to let our homerism shine sometimes.

  38. kevo126 says: Nov 24, 2010 1:15 PM

    @kakish88 freeman was amazing against that steelers defense…the same defense that FLACCO beat. nice try but you are dead wrong

  39. Jack Burton says: Nov 24, 2010 1:17 PM

    @ rabidbillsfan

    I don’t think he can run at all, that’s evident by his lack of yards lately. I think the only way he can get any yardage is on a kick off with a head of steam.
    I do agree this game has upset written all over it but so did the Raiders game.
    I won’t deny Fitzpatrick is playing great either, that’s the only part of the Bills team that I can see doing anything meaninful on Sun.

  40. shaggytoodle says: Nov 24, 2010 1:36 PM

    mackowkw says:
    Nov 24, 2010 3:05 AM
    Finally a little love for the Bears.
    ________________

    My guess is it will be short lived, Lets be honest they have beat TWO teams with QBs that have had potential to play at great level. Romo & Rodgers, otherwords the Bears have beat nothing but QBs off the bench Fitzpatrick/Clausen/Thigpen or a QB that NEEDS benching, Favre.

    So be honest with yousrelves before going into this weekend. I give the Bears about 20% chance of winning while thier pass defense has been impressive. They have won against 1 Top QB this year and they squeeked pass. Good luck Chi. Your going to need it.

  41. uscgbuc says: Nov 24, 2010 4:29 PM

    @dreamicus

    I never said they would lose, realistically they are a much younger team and they MAY lose. It’s not an excuse or lack of faith in my team. I love the Bucs and I absolutely think they will win, I was merely stating that the Falcons thought the Bucs were a joke and yeah they lost, but they earned respect!

    I also never said the Ravens suck, just that Freeman is better than flacco and he doesn’t have a furry beaver planted above his eyes.

    You B-More Browns fans sure take discussion boards seriously.

    Happy Thanksgiving! Give Art Modell my best!!

  42. uscgbuc says: Nov 24, 2010 4:36 PM

    @scra22

    I’m with you, but the Bucs wouldnt have beaten anyone last year. So i’ll take 7-3 against nobodies! This has been a great year for me when it comes to football, last year can be forgotten. It’s good the team is relevant in late November, shoot 2 more yards against Atlanta and the Bucs would have the best record in the NFC.

    More than 1/2 of the league doesnt have a winning record by the way. So sitting at 7-3 with the Steelers,Saints and Falcons are not teams that I’m embarassed to lose to. The Bengals however I’d hate to have lost to them(cough cough Ravens).

    Good luck to whoever you team is this week since your not a Ravens fan!! Happy Turducken Day!

  43. uscgbuc says: Nov 24, 2010 4:42 PM

    @crabcakeblahblahblah

    Seriously kid get off the computer, let the men talk sports you can get a copy of NFL Blitz for your nintendo to test the street fighting skills of your roster.

    John clayton called he needs another nerdy statistician to join his staff, give him a call when you are old enough to work.

  44. majikbullet says: Nov 24, 2010 5:53 PM

    #
    crabcakeandfootball1 says: Nov 24, 2010 12:06 PM

    kakish88 says:
    Nov 24, 2010 8:43 AM
    Its fairly obvious in my eyes FREEMAN is better than Flacco, without a doubt. Anyone who thinks otherwise should just check the stat lines and compare the too & when it comes to raw ability it aint even close, better arm strength, better speed, better height.

    ——————————————
    smoke much? You lack credibility whenever your argument is reduced to ‘height’ and ‘speed’ for measuring a QB. Flacco has nearly 400 more yards and two more TD’s. Flacco has three playoff wins and an AFC Championship appearance. Second to Rodgers, Flacco can throw the ball longer than any other QB in the league. The guy can throw 45-50 yards with a flick of the wrist. In addition, he threw a 75-yard pass at the combine. So it seems like there is DOUBT whether Flacco is better than Freeman. Finally, Ravens aren’t so hospitable of younger QB’s.
    #
    ================================
    This coming from a Packer fan, but I think Rodgers and Cutler have the two strongest arms in the league, and I wouldn’t be sure it wasn’t Cutler first then Rodgers. Also, Vick has what appears to me a cannon. I have probably only watched 6-8 games Flacco has played in but have never noticed an overly strong arm, not saying he doesn’t have one, just doesn’t stick out like Rodgers, Cutler, or Vicks.

  45. majikbullet says: Nov 24, 2010 5:56 PM

    @ crabcake,

    you also have to consider that Flacco has better weapons than Freeman, so the stats arent always accurate either. Not saying I would take Freeman but just saying the stats are subjective.

  46. sdw2001 says: Nov 24, 2010 7:32 PM

    You guys are hilarious with the Bucs vs. Ravens and Flacco vs. Freeman talk. While improved over last year greatly, the Bucs are irrelevant and very likely over-rated. The Ravens are not close to the favorite in the AFC. You should hear yourselves. Be a fan and hope for the best, but don’t start thinking your upcoming game really matters all that much.

  47. vickismydogg says: Nov 24, 2010 10:41 PM

    “Raise your hand if you think Jay Cutler can hold up against a pressure-based, quality defense at this point. (OK, put it down Shanahan. You look ridiculous.)”

    Ok, that made me laugh quite hard.

    Not a fan of Florio’s pick, but oh well. Not a personal believer in being jinxed. Although the Phillies did finally win a World Series after someone put a small figurine of William Penn at the top of the building that was built taller than the statue. Hmm. We shall see.

  48. uscgbuc says: Nov 25, 2010 1:56 AM

    sdw2001

    Spoken like a true North Eastern A-hole…I was stationed up there for the Bucs championship and the Patriots/Red Sox Championship. No fans are more arrogant, and for that I salute you sir.

    Happy Turkey Day hope your team loses and brady’s hair falls out :)

  49. natelan says: Nov 25, 2010 2:11 AM

    Woot, thanks for picking my Chargers over the Colts!

    It’s no gimme, and I highly respect and admire Peyton’s Colts, but its true that the Chargers really come alive against them.

    We need it to remain competitive against the improving Chiefs.

  50. sdw2001 says: Nov 25, 2010 10:00 AM

    uscgbuc says:
    Nov 25, 2010 1:56 AM
    sdw2001

    Spoken like a true North Eastern A-hole…I was stationed up there for the Bucs championship and the Patriots/Red Sox Championship. No fans are more arrogant, and for that I salute you sir.

    Happy Turkey Day hope your team loses and brady’s hair falls out
    ———————-

    Yeah, well I try. I’m a Philly fan…we hate everyone….even our own team!

  51. snarkygurl says: Nov 26, 2010 2:28 PM

    Oh no….Florio finally picked my Bears to win! Now THAT’S a jinx!!

  52. godofwine330 says: Dec 1, 2010 11:14 AM

    He is exactly right. If a league minimum guy does something and gets a $50K fine that is 17% of his money, which is more than his weekly check, so he won’t get a weekly check for a few weeks. However, when James Harrison commits the same penalty it is a much lower percentage of his money, probably as much money as he donates to his Akron cherities.

    Big difference.

    I needs to change.

    One fine breaks a guy, and the other he shrugs off as nothing. It needs to change, Roger.

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