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Mike Tomlin on James Harrison fines: “He’s got two kids”

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On the same day that Steelers linebacker James Harrison was fined another $25,000, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said he wants fans to think of Harrison’s children, and how they could be affected by how much money Harrison has lost in fines this year.

“I don’t care how much money you make. I take offense at times just in general how all of us talk about the money,” Tomlin told Alex Marvez and Rich Gannon on Sirius NFL Radio. “He’s got two kids. That’s some serious college schooling right there potentially for those kids 16, 18 years from now.”

Tomlin is going to have a hard time drumming up sympathy for Harrison on that front. Just with the money Harrison has made so far in his NFL career, he could have set aside enough to pay for both of his kids to get doctorates from Harvard and still have many millions of dollars left over. If the money Harrison has been fined this year is the difference between Harrison paying for his kids’ college education and his kids not being able to afford college, then Harrison has seriously mismanaged his money.

But Tomlin has been steadfast in his support of Harrison, who has now drawn $125,000 in fines this year.

“In regards to the penalties and fines, there’s no question it’s been troubling for him on a number of fronts,” Tomlin said. “This is a very disciplined and regimented guy. He doesn’t like the perception of being a dirty player. He’s not by any stretch.”

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  1. fancyleague says: Nov 30, 2010 7:19 PM

    Like I said, Harrison needs to learn to lead with his butt, just like Goodell.

  2. charly0418 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:21 PM

    Cry away Steelers

  3. hobartbaker says: Nov 30, 2010 7:21 PM

    Luckily the dogs ate the other two or Egregious would really be up against it in a few years.

  4. chitown26 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM

    I seriously hope he is kidding.

    If not, that makes me sick.

  5. pacificamjr says: Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM

    can we pass a hat around for James’ poor kids?

  6. jaggedmark says: Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM

    Is Tomlin thinking about any of the children of the QB’s that Harrison keeps smashing with his helmet?

  7. dcfl says: Nov 30, 2010 7:24 PM

    Maybe harrison should change the way he plays? What a role model for children he must be. Hope they don’t need to be baptized.

  8. bodybaggame says: Nov 30, 2010 7:24 PM

    LOL….Serious college schooling…….Like he is gonna be online for weeks on end, looking for grants and low interest loans,and filling out applications….How about, that’s alot of pit bull training so the dogs don’t maul these future scholars..

  9. dryheaveone says: Nov 30, 2010 7:25 PM

    “he’s got 2 kids”….GIVE ME A BREAK…gotta agree with you on this one Florio. Sounds like Tomlin is seriously out of touch with the real world.

  10. danj3678 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:25 PM

    Terrible arguement from a head coach… absolutely terrible. His children????…. ridiculous

  11. righthereisay says: Nov 30, 2010 7:26 PM

    I think the point is they are fining him $125K for hits that happen throughout the league and are not fined (or penalized) That could put kids to college…for hits that are not 100% illegal.

    Tomlin shouldn’t have said it, but at least he is finally protecting his player. He needs to show video of players from other teams doing the same thing and not getting fined. In fact, some tech savy person with a lot time on their hands should do it and put it on youtube.

  12. cscfriarbob says: Nov 30, 2010 7:27 PM

    Tomlin: “He doesn’t like the perception of being a dirty player.”

    Then maybe he should try not being one.

  13. zoxitic says: Nov 30, 2010 7:27 PM

    Then stop leading with your helmet you dumb f&*k.

  14. igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 7:27 PM

    Is there any way we as fans can take money out of Goodell’s pockets? I mean some of Harrison’s hits have been borderline but the fine system really makes no sense and has no consistency. Shouldn’t Goodell have to answer to someone when he makes poor decisions on a regular basis?

  15. somesome says: Nov 30, 2010 7:28 PM

    I like Tomlinson, he is a great guy – but seriously STFU!!!
    He makes $6.5 millions and all he has to do is play by the rules.

  16. iamthefootballjerk says: Nov 30, 2010 7:29 PM

    This isn’t 30 years ago Tomlin. Harrison makes more money this year than most Americans in their LIFETIME. Completely out of touch and disrespectful.

  17. fshort says: Nov 30, 2010 7:29 PM

    Simple solution – stop getting fined.

    There, fixed that for you.

  18. mbobich says: Nov 30, 2010 7:30 PM

    I registered an account here just to say this about Tomlin’s disgusting, disrespectful comment:

    James Harrison is a multi-millionaire. His children will be well taken care of. This country is in one of it’s worst recessions in history, and Tomlin’s comment comes off as disconnected from reality and insulting to 99% of our country. It is an unfortunately ignorant comment.

  19. lebronsinsecurity says: Nov 30, 2010 7:30 PM

    I really like Tomlin, always have..But this is an extremely ignorant statement…

  20. db105 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:33 PM

    If Tomlin says so then it’s the truth.

    Steelerfan

  21. 4dabears says: Nov 30, 2010 7:35 PM

    Yeah, and I’ve “got two kids” also but I’m not even to close to their tax bracket. He sounds a lot like Latrell ‘I got my family to feed’ Sprewell.

  22. zoxitic says: Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM

    @mbobich

    Well said.

  23. brasho says: Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM

    He’s got kids? He’s got enough money to send his kids, his grandchildren, and his great grandchildren to college…and get their doctorate’s.

    Gimme a break. I usually like Tomlin, but this statement is just plain moronic.

    The NFL is thinking of his kids… and the men whose heads he is crushing’s kids as well. Money is all fine and dandy, but being a kid to a man whose brain is mush is priceless.

  24. ravensrule says: Nov 30, 2010 7:37 PM

    Right, he’s not just defending one of his players or anything. The guy is dirty, watch him play. If you dont see it, you have the Steeler blinders on. He’s great, he’s a beast, but he’s dirty. He uses his helmet as a weapon. Losing $125,000 hurts no matter how wealthy you are, however think about the money or potential money he has taken away from the guys he injured over the years. I certainly dont feel sorry for him or his silver spoon kids.

  25. touchdownroddywhite says: Nov 30, 2010 7:38 PM

    I was apathetic about the Steelers before. I now despise them and their head coach. To even say those words with a serious face is almost disgusting.

    Unless he’s a degenerate gambler-drug addict, there’s no reason why this should affect him that severely at all. I’d pay 125k a month to make half of what he makes. This guy is either completely out of touch with reality, or he doesn’t care how stupid he has to sound to keep backing up his boy.

  26. laxer37 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:39 PM

    A facemask to the chest is a textbook tackle in every other level of football but the NFL.

    How this was a finable offense is troubling.

  27. igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 7:40 PM

    Yeah he makes a lot of money, does that mean some jackass should be able to take it as he sees fit? If someone just arbitrarily took 2% of your yearly salary for doing something you have been trained to do your whole life while someone maliciously violating the rules was less penalized would you be okay with it? I thought not.

  28. radrntn says: Nov 30, 2010 7:42 PM

    boo hoo boo hoo….steelers are the biggest whiners in the country….the guy makes like 10 million this year, and we are suppose to feel sorry for a fool who can’t adapt and just hit the qb without pile driving him to the ground. Face it Goodell is not being shy that QB’s should wear dresses, so get a clue.

    I love all these whiners whop feel Seymour in addition to being ejected and fined wanted even more, but when bozo keeps doing his same crap game in and game out, and the fines do not have an impact on how he is going to approach the game, then just suspend him , or let him go play in the UFL…take that whiners

  29. backdapack says: Nov 30, 2010 7:43 PM

    “He’s got two kids”….that we know of

  30. pacificamjr says: Nov 30, 2010 7:43 PM

    quit hatin yall!! J-Har’s got an image to keep up! that means lots o pap being spent on bling, rims, hoez, cribs, etc. there aint dat much left for the little piglets to gradgitate!!

  31. Deb says: Nov 30, 2010 7:43 PM

    You’re right … I’m not going to worry about a millionaire’s ability to educate his kids when I’m struggling in this economy to make ends meet. And I’m not mailing dollars to the Harrison fine fund either. But football has been my release from everyday stress since I was in grade school. So I am concerned about a commissioner who’s abusing his authority and fining a player for making legal hits as part of an orchestrated effort to neuter NFL defenses. His goal is to make the game softer to pave the way for an 18-game season.

    I’m also concerned that people like you and Florio and other sportswriters aren’t covering the real story. You’re not idiots. You can look at the film as well as I can. Yes, Harrison should have been fined for his part in the gang tackle on Vince Young, and yes, he should have been fined for the hit on Massaquoi. But he didn’t spear Drew Brees or Fitzpatrick–and you know it. You guys know exactly what’s going on here. That’s why so many of my “why aren’t you covering it?” posts disappear.

    At least Ray Lewis, Tom Brady, and other prominent players are vehemently protesting the 18-game plan to the union. It’s time that Dan Rooney left Ireland for a while and started meeting with the handful of reasonable owners the league has left. Someone needs to get a handle on this situation while it’s still possible.

    Gonna leave this post up or will it disappear, too?

  32. profootballwalk says: Nov 30, 2010 7:47 PM

    Harrison’s kids will have to take care of him some day. With all these head shots he loves so much, he’ll be drooling in his oatmeal by the time he’s fifty.

  33. florioisatool says: Nov 30, 2010 7:47 PM

    I’d hope Harrison would take the responsibility of being a good examples for his kids, then again his QB hasn’t been someone for kids to hang their hat on either.

  34. pastabelly says: Nov 30, 2010 7:47 PM

    He may have to start clipping coupons.

  35. sylar1888 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:48 PM

    This clown Tomlin seriously wants people to think of Harrison’s kids?!?! I have no sympathy for a moron who can’t follow the rules (simple… don’t lead with your helmet) and signed a $51 million dollar contract! $125,000 bucks compared to the more than $3 million he gets this year alone… C’MON man! Good thing people can’t be killed for being stupid because the world population would drop to about 50 or so people! LOL

  36. ercin13 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:48 PM

    when are they going to start suspending this thug.

    goodell barked about suspensions. but the only people that deserve them are steelers , but he wont do it to them.

  37. Ssssshamalamadingdong says: Nov 30, 2010 7:51 PM

    As usual only the parts of the quote that make a good story were included:

    “We talk about the money like it’s Monopoly money sometimes just because these guys happen to be professional athletes,” Tomlin said. “($100,000) is ($100,000), I don’t care how much money you make. I take offense at times just in general how all of us talk about the money. … He’s got two kids. That’s some serious college schooling right there potentially for those kids 16, 18 years from now.”

    Whatever. I’ll see ya’ll next week. GFY’s PFT Planet.

  38. atepper001 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:52 PM

    do you people have any idea how much it costs to insure a bently with 36 inch rims, get the word “Playa” inscribed on the foyer of your 40,000 square foot house or alimony for multile ex-wives and child support for illegitamte children? the man has serious expenses and needs to be able to have disposable income left over for things that aren’t as important and saved on the front end, like money for his children. give the man a break.

  39. jstep122 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:52 PM

    I think what’s ignorant is Goodell’s fine policy!!! I love how blindsiding a player and punching him in the face only gets you a $25000 fine and 2 players ripping off helmets and throwing punchs again only gets a $25000 fine… But James Harrison gets fines for $25000 – $75000 for tackling too hard. Forget who said what and just look at the facts… Goodell is a joke and is ruining football with his egotistical unfair BS commissioner antics.

  40. mkepackfan says: Nov 30, 2010 7:53 PM

    I’m sure Latrell Sprewell can emphasize…he’s likely the only one who can besides Tomlin.

    Mike, shut up, you look more stupid with each passing comment.

  41. Ssssshamalamadingdong says: Nov 30, 2010 7:53 PM

    mbobich says:
    Nov 30, 2010 7:30 PM
    I registered an account here just to say this about Tomlin’s disgusting, disrespectful comment:

    James Harrison is a multi-millionaire. His children will be well taken care of. This country is in one of it’s worst recessions in history, and Tomlin’s comment comes off as disconnected from reality and insulting to 99% of our country. It is an unfortunately ignorant comment.

    —————-
    Here’s another ignorant comment.

    LOL U R POOR

  42. nyjetsholdupsbtrophyin2010 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:54 PM

    Cue Latrell Sprewell (How am I supposed to feed my kids off of 14 million per?????????/

  43. jjsteelerfan says: Nov 30, 2010 7:56 PM

    His hit on skirtpatrick was not a hit to the helmet! Watch the video, the ref had his hand on his flag already, he had already made up his mind. You can fight in the NFFL. (National Flag Football League) but you can’t play between whistles! C’MON MAN!!!!

  44. norton20 says: Nov 30, 2010 7:57 PM

    Ryan Fitzpatrick has kids too. If Harrison doesn’t stop leading with the crown of his helmet, he is going to make a widow out of some QB’s wife and have their kids grow up without a dad.

  45. bnwpnw says: Nov 30, 2010 7:58 PM

    It’s almost like the Steelers are acting like they’re the victims of a bad call.

    Oh the irony.

    Honestly, it’s like idiocy is contagious and that whole locker room needs to be quarantined.

  46. goldsteel says: Nov 30, 2010 7:58 PM

    somesome says:
    Nov 30, 2010 7:28 PM
    I like Tomlinson, he is a great guy – but seriously STFU!!!
    He makes $6.5 millions and all he has to do is play by the rules.

    And what rules would that be? The rules seem to change from one game to the next. Actually, this clears some things up. On Sunday night, James Harrison should just beat the living crap out of Joe Flacco (Go All Andre Johnson on him) The fine money is the same though he would be ejected. Not to worry. It won’t happen. James is not a dirty player regardless of what the National Fine League thinks.

    Fire Goodell.

  47. seamillfarmcom says: Nov 30, 2010 7:59 PM

    I thought tomlin was smarter than that.why say things that fans will laugh at?

  48. east96st says: Nov 30, 2010 8:00 PM

    You folks think you’re mad now? Florio forgot to mention that all of Harrison’s fines are tax deductible. He’ll probably make MORE this year because he’ll be getting a nice tax refund.

  49. flyer88 says: Nov 30, 2010 8:00 PM

    If you have ever played the game then I am sure you were never told to go half speed unless you were in practice and even then good luck. If the players cannot handle the heat then get off the field. This is not soccer. Football is a game of fun, fun if you win, win if you HIT!

    As far as the kids comment by Tomlin, I agree poor choice of words to defend him. Although I like the fact he said something.

  50. realitypolice says: Nov 30, 2010 8:01 PM

    Assuming that Harrison’s kids are a) not as athletically talented as he is and b) just as smart as he is, than it may take every dime he has to get his kids into college.

    He may have to donate enough money to build a stadium to get his kids into college if they are as stupid as he is and not athletic enough to get scholarships.

  51. Fiori says: Nov 30, 2010 8:07 PM

    The haters are coming out of swamp in droves.

    Harrison plays hard every play, and he hits hard.
    He is a team player. Dick Butkus and Mike Singletary played the same way and are H.O.F.’ers. But Harrison is something less? Bull Sh*t!

    To diminish his hard nosed play by picking his pocket is clearly pure jealousy and hatred…plain and simple.

  52. ravenshaterssuckdonkeydick says: Nov 30, 2010 8:07 PM

    I really thought Tomlin was smarter then that.

    Really Omar Epps? Really? Think about his kids?

    WTF??

    People that make a whole hell of a lot less put their kids through college.

    Keep fining Jimmy here…..maybe when he can’t buy another Lexus, he’ll learn to NOT LEAD WITH HIS HELMET!!!!

    Guess I should have remembered Tomlin’s “rain hell” comment from last season…….

  53. ravenator says: Nov 30, 2010 8:08 PM

    What an ignorant comment Tomlin…

    So much as if Harrison makes 10% of his game check, he will still be taking home more than 90% of what most Americans make. (yes, this comment can be misconstrued as ignorant too)

    Harrison needs to learn how to play “Goodell” football and this will all cease.

    …Think about his kids? Ya, ok Tomlin.

  54. 1mge says: Nov 30, 2010 8:11 PM

    I was indifferent towards Tomlin but after that comment he gets assclown of the year award… what a complete fool!

  55. Deb says: Nov 30, 2010 8:15 PM

    @profootballwalk …

    What head shots? He didn’t take a head shot on Fitzpatrick.

  56. joerevs300 says: Nov 30, 2010 8:20 PM

    Mike Tomlin says a lot of things that don’t amount to much other than him trying to show how much more intelligent he is than other head coaches.

    But yes, this was an absolute disaster.

    If Harrison hasn’t been considering his kids schooling, when one bad play could end his NFL career, then he needs a serious lesson in financial management.

    However, in a broader sense, the Steelers ARE getting flagged for penalties that are not pass interference or personal fouls, including 2 in the Oakland game that were just ridiculous.

    And there’s the little thing called holding that teams do to Harrison and Woodley on nearly every blitz.

    But no matter…The Steelers will beat Baltimore this weekend, and a whole new level of hate will go towards Steeler Nation.

    Who has at least 1 more Super Bowl than you do :)

  57. steelintn says: Nov 30, 2010 8:21 PM

    somesome says:
    Nov 30, 2010 7:28 PM
    I like Tomlinson, he is a great guy – but seriously STFU!!!
    He makes $6.5 millions and all he has to do is play by the rules.

    ————————————————

    What did Ladainian have to say about this??
    Come on fool, if you’re going to bash someone for something, at least get the name right. Or how about this…you STFU!

  58. hobartbaker says: Nov 30, 2010 8:22 PM

    Harrison gets singled out in part because of his “it against the world” attitude.

  59. PFTiswhatitis says: Nov 30, 2010 8:25 PM

    Tomlin should be fined for making that ignorant comment.

  60. johntonioholmes says: Nov 30, 2010 8:28 PM

    Not the best defense, there Tomlin.

    Either way he’s right. The league has a target on his back because he’s too dominant.

    If you think he led with his helmet on that last play, you’re a f**king retard.

  61. gmanwithe says: Nov 30, 2010 8:29 PM

    Why was Andre Johnson only fined $25,000 and not suspended for his fight with Cortland Finnegan, which is so much worse than the sack that Harrison did? Punching another player repeatedly in the face? It was announced on ESPN and on my local news station that, since the NFL network is showing the Houston game this Thursday night, they did not want to lose the Texan’s biggest and best player from playing on their own network. If he was suspended, how much worse would the Texans be? Now, you can talk about double standards.

  62. faulkana says: Nov 30, 2010 8:31 PM

    Two kids to feed and a wife to beat.

  63. danwhitmer says: Nov 30, 2010 8:31 PM

    So he has lost 125k in fines out of the multi million dollar salary he is to be paid this year…… CRY ME A RIVER. I have a 2 1/2 year old and have been out of full time work for 2 years. I wish I had the $125 dollars he has lost!

    Here is a crazy idea Harrison, stop being a idiot and hitting people with your helmet! Play within the rules and you might not get fined. You screwed your self after saying ” when i take the field i play to hurt others” You put the target on your own back, not the other way around!

  64. pittsburghsteelerz says: Nov 30, 2010 8:33 PM

    Roger “The Stooge” Goodell

    How does any extremely borderline hit (looked like a facemask to the chest – legal hit) get the same fine as the boxing match?

    You’re biased, Roger. Stooge.

  65. iselldrugstoandyreidskids says: Nov 30, 2010 8:33 PM

    Never hear cromartie complaining and what about James harrisons wife that he beat she could suffer from these massive fines as well stories like this make me seriously makes me wanna stop supporting the NFL and players like James Harrison but my one man boycott would have no effect on the money printing machine That is the NFL so I still watch GO RAVENS

  66. vikesfansteve says: Nov 30, 2010 8:34 PM

    It’s really a shame Tomlin made that stupid ignorant comment. 125,000 is less than .02 % of Harrison’s salary. So let’s put it in perspective for a struggling person with a family of 4 that makes 25K per year. That fine would be $500 or $125 4 different times. What would 500 bucks buy someone in college, a couple of used textbooks? The thing is after getting fined 125 bucks a normal person would quit messing up if they couldn’t afford to feed their kids.

    So the moral of the story for dumb asses like Tomlin & Harrison.

    Stop hitting people with your helmet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  67. johntonioholmes says: Nov 30, 2010 8:34 PM

    @backdapack

    Way to be completely racist, you bag of $h!t.

    I hope you have zero kids, because they’d be a detriment to this society after having grown up with a parent like you.

  68. andyprough says: Nov 30, 2010 8:40 PM

    Next in line – Joe Flacco

    Lucky guy! You get to take the next beating from a seriously pissed off Debo

  69. pittsburghsteelerz says: Nov 30, 2010 8:42 PM

    “James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made”

    Wow.

    Only James Harrison.

    Roger, you’re a biased stooge.

  70. hobartbaker says: Nov 30, 2010 8:42 PM

    Growing up in rural Ohio, Harrison had a troubled youth. Surrounded by white kids named Billy Joe, Jim Bob, and Ricky Ray, he stood out as one of the few black kids, and the only Egregious James.

  71. buckeye044 says: Nov 30, 2010 8:43 PM

    @deb
    National media has yet to say much about not only James’ hits but all the bad officiating the past two games. Why? Who knows, but wouldn’t surprise me if the NFL let media outlets that televise their games that there could be ramifications if they discuss poor officiating.

  72. thejuddstir says: Nov 30, 2010 8:46 PM

    I’m not a Steelers fan but anyone who doesn’t like the way J. Harrison plays football…….doesn’t know football. It’s quite obvious that Goodell doesn’t like Harrison…..at least not like he likes Andre Johnson!! What a joke that fine was. You lost all cred Goodell, what a legacy you will have.

  73. bleedsoe9mm says: Nov 30, 2010 8:51 PM

    25000 is light for a 5 time offender , the nfl should double the last fine everytime you get a new one through out the year . after harrison and andre johnson there is nothing the league considers a suspendable offence , might make player think twice if the next fine is 400,000 .

  74. connie73 says: Nov 30, 2010 8:56 PM

    In Pgh we call him NO CLASS TOMLIN
    He says such stupid things nobody knows what he is saying. But he thinks he is so smart.
    He should try to lighten up.
    PAY BACK IS A BITCH FOR THE CRY BABIES

  75. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Nov 30, 2010 9:02 PM

    Coach Tomlin,
    Have your boy James give me his $MM income stream and I’ll save enough to put his two little precious darlings through college.

    I put my two daughters through college while earning less money per year than James blows on his rides.

    Better yet, have all of your stupid players give me their money to manage for them. I’ll save enough to put all their children and b itches through college.

  76. heyzeus143 says: Nov 30, 2010 9:02 PM

    put skirts on the sissy quarterbacks, keep kickin the snot out these pretty boys Brees, Manning, Brady, Rivers….that’s why they wear helmets, some people enjoy good defense

  77. spellmethis says: Nov 30, 2010 9:11 PM

    I will have a laugh attack if Harrison follows the same logic as his severely mentally inhibited fan base. Go ahead and rip off a helmet and land some punches in an effort to make a statement about how fighting incurs no more of a fine, or less, than illegal hits.

    The thing you sister-kissers don’t understand is that Harrison has been warned about his actions. Whether or not the hit on Ivy League was intentionally a helmet to helmet hit, the bottom line is that his helmet did in fact hit Ivy League’s face mask and chin area. Why did it hit Ivy League’s helmet? Because Harrison lead into Ivy League’s chest with his helmet which then slid into Ivy League’s face mask.

    If the Steeler’s scholarly and articulate fans would have paid attention to the League statements about illegal hits when the emphasis started they would understand that intent is only a small part. Players are instructed to not hit in a way that illegal contact to the head can incidentally result. Harrison, like you brother-cousins, cannot understand what this means.

    I don’t blame you or Harrison. I blame the water in PGH.

  78. thejackaz says: Nov 30, 2010 9:12 PM

    Give me a break. In the economic times this country is going through, we’re supposed to feel sorry for an idiot like Harrison who keep pissing away money because he can’t play the game the right way?

    How out of touch with reality are you Mike Tomlin?

  79. raidernation666 says: Nov 30, 2010 9:14 PM

    Did this POS seriously use the Latrell Sprewell excuse??? When nowadays most families are feeling the effects of the recession, and he drops this???? Wow, those are some cajones, what an idiot. This is why no one outside the Steeler fanbase like or respects your team.

  80. spellmethis says: Nov 30, 2010 9:16 PM

    P.S. Tomlin is an out of touch fool. For being the HC of a supposed blue collar town NFL team it’s a pretty stupid move to appeal to peoples’ sympathies by alleging a well-paid pro athlete’s kids will be hurt by fines that are minor compared to his earnings. I guess they won’t have that off-campus mansion and fleet of beemers.

  81. worsethingss says: Nov 30, 2010 9:17 PM

    igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 7:40 PM

    Yeah he makes a lot of money, does that mean some jackass should be able to take it as he sees fit? If someone just arbitrarily took 2% of your yearly salary for doing something you have been trained to do your whole life while someone maliciously violating the rules was less penalized would you be okay with it? I thought not.

    ______________________________________

    I believe the “jackass” you are talking about is his boss.

  82. charmcityravens says: Nov 30, 2010 9:25 PM

    Hey Pittsburgh…karma’s a bitch ain’t it?

    For years Steelers fans threw around name calling at Ray Lewis. Then good ole Ben goes into his “restroom rendezvous” phase. Now it’s not so funny to poke fun.

    Pittsburgh fans joked that Ravens fans were huge whiners about the officiating. Look who’s crying now. I don’t remember Ray ever threatening to retire. I don’t recall Harbs having to give Suggs a day of practice off so he could mull over retirement. Harbs has never had to invoke a players children in an asinine defense.

    For years the Steelers have benefited from generous officiating, now some calls go against them and it’s “woe is me”. Pittsburgh is what it is…a bunch of babbling bandwagoners.

    Cry me three rivers Pittsburgh. GO RAVENS!!!

  83. igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 9:26 PM

    Hey connie,
    you have never been to pittsburgh, and no one calls tomlin that… Anywhere. Get a life… then go kill yourself.

    Everyone.

  84. joetoronto says: Nov 30, 2010 9:26 PM

    Wow, I had no idea Tomlin was so ignorant.

    That’s pretty amazing.

  85. gopurplebirds says: Nov 30, 2010 9:28 PM

    Yes, lets show pity on someone who blatantly hunts heads (see Cleveland game on 2 hits). Ward is a cheap-shot artist too, but at least he’s man enough to admit it. Tomlin should shut his pie-hole. He sounds as stupid as Ike Turner Harrison. Pretty soon, all of Cowher’s players will be too old and will be replaced. Then we’ll see what kind of coach he is…

  86. wuznotsobad says: Nov 30, 2010 9:31 PM

    “That’s some serious college schooling right there”??? So one charter member of the Millionaire Boys Club, NFL Chapter, defends another member of the club by actually saying these fines could affect his ability to pay for his kids’ college? Hey Rooney family, thank your coach for slapping 99.9% of your fans right in the face.

  87. bebopa says: Nov 30, 2010 9:33 PM

    Harrison should keep that fact in mind when he gets on the football, if it means tweaking your game a little so be it.

  88. joelvis72 says: Nov 30, 2010 9:43 PM

    That’s some serious vet schooling right there….to learn how to repair pit bull bites on kids’ legs.

  89. cowboys4life says: Nov 30, 2010 9:43 PM

    Tomlin, your a dumb a$$

  90. worsethingss says: Nov 30, 2010 9:45 PM

    igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 9:26 PM

    Hey connie,
    you have never been to pittsburgh, and no one calls tomlin that… Anywhere. Get a life… then go kill yourself.

    Everyone

    ______________________________________

    Another Classy Pittsburgh fan.

  91. tramonisland says: Nov 30, 2010 9:45 PM

    thank god cromartie doesn’t lead with his head… well the one above his shoulders at least.

  92. kokoskmr says: Nov 30, 2010 9:54 PM

    Ben Roethlisberger, James Harrison, now Mike Tomlin.

    Stupid seems to be contagious in Pittsburgh. This can only bring more shame to the Steelers organization.

    Note to Mike Tomlin: “you’re better than that!”

    At least you were smart enough to dump Jeff Reed and Santonio Holmes.

  93. extreme469 says: Nov 30, 2010 10:00 PM

    Is Tomlin kidding here? There are kids that have nothing and he wants to whine about this…..

  94. igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 10:02 PM

    “another classy pittsburgh fan”
    I don’t care about being called classy by someone can’t come up with an original response to something they don’t know anything about. In the end, yes I am a Steelers fan from pittsburgh, and you are just another puppet that wishes your team was more like the Steelers. Now go F yourself. You can even wear a top hat and a monocle if it makes you feel better.

  95. clydester says: Nov 30, 2010 10:14 PM

    That is the dumbest statement I have ever heard from a head coach. Please get my crying towel. Grow up you overpaid NFL players and coaches.

  96. blackcatnfl says: Nov 30, 2010 10:17 PM

    I think this needs context. Tomlin is obviously referring to the child support for his OTHER two kids.

  97. hobartbaker says: Nov 30, 2010 10:22 PM

    James won’t have enough left over to send his agent to grammer school.

  98. Reggie's Bush says: Nov 30, 2010 10:27 PM

    I can barely afford to pay my rent on my $6MM salary + bonuses for 7 months…

    If I had 2 kids, I would probably have to pick up a 2nd job at Burger King. Times are hard…

    Florio, how do you manage to put you’re youngest son Gregggg through college with only advertisement dollars and a NBC contract? You must be a penny pincher, got him going to Community College don’t you? J/K Florio, don’t ban me bro.

  99. lebronsinsecurity says: Nov 30, 2010 10:46 PM

    @igottz5onit

    your batsh*t crazy man..

  100. fmwarner says: Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM

    Tomlin’s comments are misdirected. Harrison’s fines aren’t random. If the finances are really that bad in the Harrison household, maybe James himself should think about not incurring fines like that. Don’t blame the cops for arresting you when you rob a bank.

    Reminds me of Patrick Ewing’s old chestnut during NBA labor talks. “Yeah, NBA players make a lot of money, but we spend a lot too.”

  101. lionsfan20 says: Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM

    Steeler fans mad about how things are called?

    The NFL gave you Super Bowl XL and you’re whining about more calls?

    You get a FREE Super Bowl win and you have the nerve to complain?

    For the record, I still like Tomlin, but really lost a lot of respect for him with that stupid statement. That’s Spreewell territory. That’s not a compliment!

  102. pajoe says: Nov 30, 2010 10:50 PM

    That’s got to be the dumbest statement I’ve heard from a head coach in a long time. I guess he was trying to support his “boy”, but Tomlin must be out of touch of reality. I think the NFL is trying to change the game and I’m disappointed about that. I think someone needs to coach Tomlin on the statements he makes, cause he’s looking really dumb at this point.

    Go Steelers!!

  103. snakeman40 says: Nov 30, 2010 10:51 PM

    pacificamjr says:
    Nov 30, 2010 7:43 PM
    quit hatin yall!! J-Har’s got an image to keep up! that means lots o pap being spent on bling, rims, hoez, cribs, etc. there aint dat much left for the little piglets to gradgitate!!

    Pacificamjr, I am absolutley crying from laughing so hard!

  104. igottz5onit says: Nov 30, 2010 10:58 PM

    @lebron
    yeah i hear that a lot.

  105. holeinone09 says: Nov 30, 2010 10:59 PM

    I won’t comment on Tomlin’s comments here. But, not that Harrison can’t afford them, I suggest that the Steelers consider just paying Harrison’s fines as a symbol of defiance of GODell. That would be a real middle finger to GODell on this matter.

    I also suggest the Union add this ridiculous issue of fines for obviously legal hits, like the one Harrison was just fined for, to the table for the pending labor negotiations. In that way, they may get more support from the public who wants to see some football played like it always has. I hear more and more people including sports announcers and radio personnel complaining about this matter and the mess it is making of the game that everyone has loved for years. Yes, stop the illegal hits and intentional helmet to helmet hits. But quit targeting people like Harrison, it is getting stupid now. GODell is doing his best to ruin football as we know it. And I don’t like it.

    GO STEELERS!!

  106. trollaikman8 says: Nov 30, 2010 11:06 PM

    “Yeah we make a lot of money, but we spend a lot of money too”

    //Patrick Ewing’d

  107. trollaikman8 says: Nov 30, 2010 11:07 PM

    @fmwarner….saw your Ewing comment right after i posted. My bad.

  108. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Nov 30, 2010 11:08 PM

    @ every idiot on this post who actually thinks the penalty, fine and BS being propagated like monkeys flinging poo (the monkeys flinging poo in the form of fines would be God-dell and his butt buddies), I have one important message to convey:

    STFU and GO WATCH THE Fing VIDEO OF THIS HIT IF YOU DIDN’T SEE THE Fing GAME. It was a COMPLETELY, LEGAL HIT.

    If you can’t admit that God-dell has a target on every hard-hitting Steelers back, then go F yourself. Harrison doesn’t “spear” Skirtpatrick, but in fact as his facemask makes contact with his chest, so does the rest of his upper body …. hmmm. Not sure why he didn’t snap his head back and go in for a Chest Bump to celebrate the opportunity to “touch” Skirpatrick.

    Every one of the ignorant fans / Steeler Haters on this and other posts, needs to grow up, follow some of the “intelligent” commentators, including ex-QBs (tune into ESPN and see the eyes rolling on this one) and realize the call on Harrison this past Sunday was a complete Fing joke.

    Tomlin didn’t win this argument and certainly didn’t approach it from the right perspective. I’m the first to admit his argument is weak and ill-advised. He should have come back with a comment to God-dell and let him know directly that he’s a JACK ASS.

    Bottom line is that all of you skirt wearing, flag football fanatics need to STFU and get real.

    All of you have Steeler envy …. All of you wish you had someone like James Harrison on your D … Grow up or STFU.

  109. Deb says: Nov 30, 2010 11:12 PM

    @danwhitmer and vikesfansteve …

    How about you find us a photograph that shows James Harrison hitting Brees or Fitzpatrick with his helmet? He didn’t–not that you two geniuses care. You’re just interested in mouthing off on a Steelers thread. After the Vikes land in LA and whatever team Whitmer supports winds up playing flag football, you might figure out more is going on here.

    @buckeye044 …

    Some people definitely don’t seem to want to bite the hand that feeds their blogs.

    @lionsfan20 …

    Oh. My. Word. You mean you are not doling out compliments when you make the idiotic statement that the NFL gave us a Super Bowl? Well, gee, thanks for clearing that up. LOL Little boy, some of us are trying to have a serious discussion about league issues. Come back when you’ve sprouted a little peach fuzz on your face and can at least act as old as a junior high kid.

    @Those calling out Tomlin …

    Guess it never occurred to any of you that MDS left out most of Tomlin’s quote. I’m sure no PFT writer has ever done that to any of your players or coaches before … nah But we all fall for it every time, don’t we? ROFL

  110. shotgunformation5wide says: Nov 30, 2010 11:14 PM

    How’s that Ken Whisenhunt experiment going?…Lol! We know Tomlin is the man. As for Harrison, don’t sweat it, you’ll make it all back in playoff and superbowl checks….something over half of the players in the league will never do (cough Andre cough Johnson)! Just keep playing tough and the winning will take care of any losses.

    Go Steelers!!!

  111. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Nov 30, 2010 11:15 PM

    @ lionsfan20

    First of all, STFU. The NFL didn’t gift SB XL to the Steelers. If you didn’t have your head stuck up your man hole, or perhaps Roger’s dark cave, you’d realize that despite some of the calls in SB XL, the Seahawks were inferior. Still are to this day.

    Second of all, STFU. It’s A-holes like you who live in the past that will sit idly by and allow Roger and his A-hole cronies to ruin the NFL. There is no doubt they are looking to reduce contact, reduce the physicality of this league.

    I don’t have an issue with fines for Helmet to Helmet contact, when it’s intentional and could have been avoided. But, at the speed these guys play in 2010, some of these hits are inevitable. New techniques are being taught. The players get it and holy Fing Shiite, even James Harrison gets it. The hit he delivered on Skirtpatrick was a BAD CALL. When Trent Dilfer and the NFL crew on ESPN roll their eyes and basically say enough is enough, you KNOW the NFL is going to far.

    The Fing fight between Johnson and Finnegan should have drawn suspensions. Roger’s been making up the rules as we go this year, so WTF is his problem. Simple – NO CREDIBILITY and the desire to single out one of the hardest hitting Ds in the league. He’s a jack and so are you for believing the BS is justified.

    Again, GO F yourself or your buddy Roger and then STFU.

  112. Deb says: Nov 30, 2010 11:16 PM

    @To the Harrison-is-a-wife-beater crowd …

    Nope. Dude slapped a phone out of her hand. It’s not a good thing, but it’s not a punch in the face either. He went to anger management and now he just pounces on QBs as God (but apparently not Goodell) intended. And she wasn’t his wife.

  113. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Nov 30, 2010 11:17 PM

    @ lionsfan20

    First of all, STFU. The NFL didn’t gift SB XL to the Steelers. If you didn’t have your head stuck up your man hole, or perhaps Roger’s dark cave, you’d realize that despite some of the calls in SB XL, the Seahawks were inferior. Still are to this day.

    Second of all, STFU. It’s A-holes like you who live in the past that will sit idly by and allow Roger and his A-hole cronies to ruin the NFL. There is no doubt they are looking to reduce contact, reduce the physicality of this league.

    I don’t have an issue with fines for Helmet to Helmet contact, when it’s intentional and could have been avoided. But, at the speed these guys play in 2010, some of these hits are inevitable. New techniques are being taught. The players get it and holy Fing Shiite, even James Harrison gets it. The hit he delivered on Skirtpatrick was a BAD CALL. When Trent Dilfer and the NFL crew on ESPN roll their eyes and basically say enough is enough, you KNOW the NFL is going to far.

    The Fing fight between Johnson and Finnegan should have drawn suspensions. Roger’s been making up the rules as we go this year, so WTF is his problem. Simple – NO CREDIBILITY and the desire to single out one of the hardest hitting Ds in the league. He’s a jack and so are you for believing the BS is justified.

    Again, just STFU if you don’t have anything current or relevant to share.

  114. belichickee says: Nov 30, 2010 11:32 PM

    My husband just got laid off for the second time in three years and we have a son we’re trying to get through his junior year of college. Yeah, I’ll cry a freakin’ river for multi-millionaire James Harrison, you absolute moron Mike Tomlin.

  115. kpjknjames says: Nov 30, 2010 11:34 PM

    James is pretty dumb. He should just wait until after the play and sucker punch the quarterback in the face. It’d be a lot cheaper and much easier then having to shed that pesky blocker. I’d be more than happy to donate to a James Harrison fund if it means the hits can keep coming. I love watching it and I love how much fans of other teams are hating on him.

  116. ampatsisahypocrite says: Nov 30, 2010 11:48 PM

    Well hey, next time just punch the QB after the whistle. You get the same fine as when you hit him during a football play.

  117. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Nov 30, 2010 11:57 PM

    @ all of the ignorant jacks on this and other posts. Since the majority of you are commenting on a hit you’ve never even seen, here you go:

    http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/james_harrison_hit_on_ryan_fitzpatrick_video/3692448

    Joe … James is coming for you.

  118. vahawker says: Dec 1, 2010 12:03 AM

    I am a devout Stealer hater, have been since the 60’s. But even I think Goodell is starting to pick on Harrison. That said…Harrison lead with helmet crown NOT his face mask(at least on the vids I saw). If he wants to stop getting fined, stop leading with the top of his empty head. Harrison doesn’t need to worry about concussions, because you are required ot have a brain to get one.

    Tomlin…what a maroon!!!

  119. Andre's Johnson says: Dec 1, 2010 12:04 AM

    If Tomlin is joking, his delivery sucks.

    If he isn’t joking, he sucks.

  120. alltimeballa says: Dec 1, 2010 12:10 AM

    Real talk………when i see men get this angry over another mans business, I get suspicious. Why are so many men angry at James Harrison? Is there something that the rest of us don’t know? If a man says that $125,000 of his HARD EARNED money will be missed, I agree with that man. To get angry and speak negatively about his children would make me believe that someone needs to check their manhood. To envy someone because of their wealth is at best shallow. He earns every bit of the millions he will make this year. His career/life could be altered on one play just like the quarterbacks that were mention in several posts. So, whats really up with all the steeler/harrison hate? Do you really hate him or do you hate that he is a steeler which means you really have a secret crush on him? Things that make you say “hmmm”

  121. jeffro11 says: Dec 1, 2010 12:13 AM

    Do you know how much insurance is on a Ferrari?

  122. damaddhatter29 says: Dec 1, 2010 12:17 AM

    “I don’t want to see anyone injured,” Harrison said, “but I’m not opposed to hurting anyone.

    “There’s a difference. When you’re injured, you can’t play. But when you’re hurt, you can shake it off and come back. I try to hurt people.”

    “Clark ended up getting hurt, and I had to play like three quarters, … The tight end came across the middle, and I knocked him silly and almost knocked myself out. They said I was out, but I don’t think I was.”

    “This is how I feel — if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don’t win the Super Bowl. As far as I’m concerned, he [Obama] would’ve invited Arizona if they had won.”

    James, sometimes it pays when you learn how to shut your mouth. If you shut up, only then will people treat you differently. The Steelers have been playing helmet to helmet for years, and now that it’s highlighted they continue to cry about it. This here is what seperates Harrison from the likes of Urlacher and Lewis. But then again, isn’t this why Merriman got the “Lights Out” term? I guess for James sake, helmet to helmet isn’t a bad thing until someone snaps their neck.

    It’s one thing to play hard every down, but it’s another to do it the way he does it. Maybe he does need a new profession, because he can’t seem to play within the rules of the NFL.

  123. damaddhatter29 says: Dec 1, 2010 12:24 AM

    By the way, has Troy Polomalu received his annual concussion yet?

  124. ihateannouncers says: Dec 1, 2010 12:25 AM

    I think what Tomlin meant to say was…..”Are you FU@#IN KIDDING ME?? Helmet contact to the chest??? REALLY??

  125. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 1, 2010 12:53 AM

    lionsfan20 says:

    Steeler fans mad about how things are called?

    The NFL gave you Super Bowl XL and you’re whining about more calls?

    You get a FREE Super Bowl win and you have the nerve to complain?

    For the record, I still like Tomlin, but really lost a lot of respect for him with that stupid statement. That’s Spreewell territory. That’s not a compliment!
    ____________

    Absolutely correct on all counts. Really, there are a lot of decent, civilized Steelers fans in the world, but you’re hard pressed to find on on this site.

    Speaking of which: Deb, weren’t you accusing me of conspiracy theories just recently? Goodell softening the game to extend the season? That’s kind of a huge stretch.

    If he wanted to soften the game, he’d need to get after a lot more than just ONE player, don’t you think? No, you don’t think at all. He’s a Steeler, therefore he’s a victim. This is nothing new for you.

  126. nothimagain says: Dec 1, 2010 1:26 AM

    Even Latrell Sprewell knew this post would generate a 100+ responses.

  127. patpatriotagain says: Dec 1, 2010 1:33 AM

    now if it was antonio cromartie it would be a crisis.

  128. ladybucsandsteelersnut says: Dec 1, 2010 1:59 AM

    I’ve commented before on a thread or two about this, and I’ll do it one more time.

    The way the calls are going, the way the fines are going, this entire year makes me want to puke. NOTHING has been fair. A defensive guy hauls off & hits a QB in the face, nonprovoked – ejected, yes…but no suspension…a mere $25,000 fine for a REPEAT offender. This past week, a dirty, POS finally gets what he wants…A first-class, way above the mark receiver finally loses it & hauls off on the (talented-less) POS, and they ens up with the same punishment. The dirty, POS is NOT suspended. Even his fine, THIRD time fighting for this year only, is only at the lower level. I’ve had it with trying to figure it out and trying to even believe the NFL is fair. Lord GODell is a croc. I hope there is a lockout, because this sport that I truly love has become a total croc of sh!t.

  129. CKL says: Dec 1, 2010 2:31 AM

    joerevs300 says: Nov 30, 2010 8:20 PM

    Mike Tomlin says a lot of things that don’t amount to much other than him trying to show how much more intelligent he is than other head coaches.
    _____________________________________
    Truth. I don’t even think he knows what half the words he uses mean since a lot of times they are woefully misused.
    His pressers are always good for a laugh if one enjoys pseudo intellectual doubletalk. Hey Tomlin, if you are worried about dude’s kids, you may want to advise him that throwing objects at his baby momma over one of their christenings isn’t exactly advantageous for them either.

    That said I am a Pats fan, don’t think much of Harrison as a human being…but lawdamighty does the “PC fine patrol” have it in for the dude. I agree with the one person who said that the fact that Harrison has spoke out is likely putting a target on him since one of the things he has said is that he won’t change the way he plays…. nor should he for the most part IMO but that’s a different story. Keeping in mind that I see maybe 4-6 Pitt games/year..even I notice that the dude gets chokeholded almost every time he get near a QB for effs sake and it’s rarely called. And yes I do believe my team did it as well. This would be MADDENING to me were I a Steelers fan. He’s shorter than most OTs and has better leverage so they just chokehold him.

  130. vanetti says: Dec 1, 2010 3:15 AM

    Okay, guys. Let’s try to look at this from a more pragmatic angle. Ssssshyamalamadingdong posted the quote in much more of its intended intact state, which I get the feeling that most people are ignoring. I’ll post it again here, in case anyone missed it.

    “We talk about the money like it’s Monopoly money sometimes just because these guys happen to be professional athletes,” Tomlin said. “($100,000) is ($100,000), I don’t care how much money you make. I take offense at times just in general how all of us talk about the money. … He’s got two kids. That’s some serious college schooling right there potentially for those kids 16, 18 years from now.”

    Now, then. Let’s assume that you make $40,000/yr. You go to work, and you park your car in your designated spot, and then you’re told that your spot was changed. Your once completely acceptable and legal way of parking is now a finable offense. And by the way, that fine’s gonna be about a thousand dollars.

    You’re cool with being fined for a fabricated, arbitrary reason, right? Because technically, you can afford that, yeah? So why should Harrison be complaining about having to pay money for a textbook, clean tackle, if he can afford it?

    Because just because someone can afford to be forced to throw money away, doesn’t mean that they should be expected to. Yes, he gets paid much more money than us. This is irrelevant to the fact that he shouldn’t be getting fined for a textbook tackle.

  131. notsosmartski says: Dec 1, 2010 3:50 AM

    Perhaps Tomlin ought to start a collection for Harrison or chip in some of his own money to pay the fine or give his player a paid day off!

  132. maximus929 says: Dec 1, 2010 4:54 AM

    ROFLMBO.

    “He’s got two kids.”

    Now he’ll only be able to buy them ten bentleys to drive to college with instead of 11.

    This rich pricks have no clue about how it is for most Americans.

  133. waynefontes says: Dec 1, 2010 6:01 AM

    No big deal.

    If his kids have Harrison’s athletic skills, they won’t have to worry about paying for college.

    If his kids have Harrison’s intellectual skills, they won’t be accpeted into any college.

  134. waynefontes says: Dec 1, 2010 6:03 AM

    accepted.. now I feel like James Harrison. Other than the cheap shots and superior dog handling skills.

  135. broomehandle says: Dec 1, 2010 6:19 AM

    The League is getting ridiculous, Harrison is not a dirty player. When opposing players lower their heads they better expect getting hit with a helmet. They go for the body and wrap them up, that’s how everyone is taught to hit. Then opposing receivers get even lower and the player laying the hit doesn’t even know he’s going to hit helmet to helmet. Then Bam! All because the receiver doesn’t want to get destroyed but then puts HIMSELF in that position. To be fined for that is just plain garbage. Harrison is a physical player and doesn’t lead with his helmet, that’s garbage. Receivers are the ones who lower their body and duck their head. It’s their fault and it’s stupid. Football is a man’s sport, injuries happen all the time, the game has been played the same way forever. If you want to play football strap your f*cking helmets up and stop being a bitch. ps. the word ignorant means lack of knowledge. A few of you don’t seem to understand the meaning.

  136. tv426 says: Dec 1, 2010 6:51 AM

    Pick your head up James – and you won’t get fined.

    Keep putting your head down at the point of contact and you will get fined for “spearing” which has been in the rules of football from DAY ONE!!

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientists to figure this out – put your facemask in the hit, NOT the top of your head!

    Harrison has, by far, the worst tackling form I’ve ever seen.

  137. slutnuts says: Dec 1, 2010 7:41 AM

    thats garbage, i have 2 kids and i was just fined for parking in the street. sorry dont want to hear it

  138. floriostoupee says: Dec 1, 2010 7:58 AM

    vanetti says: Now, then. Let’s assume that you make $40,000/yr. You go to work, and you park your car in your designated spot, and then you’re told that your spot was changed. Your once completely acceptable and legal way of parking is now a finable offense. And by the way, that fine’s gonna be about a thousand dollars

    this is flawed reasoning. add to your argument…that your employer sent you a notice TELLING YOU that you can’t park there any more, but you continue to do so. make the numbers closer to harrisons…if you earn 40k, then your first fine for parking WHERE THEY TOLD YOU NOT TO would be $50. would you park there again? not unless you didn’t care about the fine or were a complete idiot.

    one of my close friends is a steeler fan who put it best …”pittsburgh is a drinking town with a football problem”. reading the comments from steeler fans on this site have led me to believe that really must be the case 24r hours a day because they really have trouble looking at anything objectively….blinded by fan faith or booze it would seem.

    tomlin’s comment is ignorant and disgraceful, fans of any team should see that.

  139. savocabol1 says: Dec 1, 2010 8:11 AM

    Taking the Sprewell way out, great way to make a point Tomlin. The NFL would be better off if they just turned the mics offs whenever a stiller speaks.

  140. Jack Burton says: Dec 1, 2010 8:20 AM

    I hope he seperates Flacco’s brow permanently on Sun night.

  141. holeinone09 says: Dec 1, 2010 8:59 AM

    Listen to the sports talk shows and broadcasters, people that comment on the game. There is growing disgust with GODell’s handling of these fines and his inconsistency. Even out here in Philly, they are talking about how ludicrous it is for Harrison and Samuel to get fined more than Seymour, Johnson and Finnegan, considering the former hit people in the heat of a football play while the latter just decided to hit people after the play. Adam Schefter this morning said the same thing. It makes no sense how GODell is handling this.

    For once, separate your hate for certain teams and players, and carefully analyze what is going on here. GODell is making a joke out of the game we love. Yes, by all means, stop the obvious late vicious hits and head on helmet to helmet hits. But be consistent in the penalties and stop fining hits that are clearly at least borderline with no injury caused.

    Just let us watch football like we used to.

    GO STEELERS!!

  142. Rosenthals Speling Instrukter says: Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM

    @ Deb:

    I don’t want to come off as an a-hole and am not one to kick a dead horse (Probably not true) but I remember reading about this a couple years ago and shaking my head.

    From the post online article:
    “On March 8, Harrison was charged with assaulting his girlfriend, Beth Tibbot, in her Ohio Township home. According to a police affadavit, Harrison broke down a door, broke Tibbot’s cell phone in half as she attempted to call 911, then slapped her face with an open hand, knocking off her glasses. He was charged with simple assault and criminal mischief and faces an April 3 preliminary hearing before a magistrate in Bellevue.”

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08080/866662-100.stm#ixzz16ru9MvNw

  143. steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 1, 2010 9:45 AM

    post the whole quote in it’s entirety and then let people comment. some of you will just believe anything. does “he’s got two kids” sound like a complete answer to the question.
    note to sheep:
    journalists (especially the ones on this site) usually cut up quotes to make the stories more interesting and inflammatory if possible. its how they get readers nowadays. you have to be smarter than the average bear to realize it and actually seek out the whole quote (when its available, like post-game news conferences usually are)

    i think he’s trying to make a broader point about the value of the fines and put them in a more tangible context, no matter how much you make. i hardly think he was trying to say that the fines are going to threaten the livelihood of James’ children. again, if you take the time to find the whole quote, you’d see he makes a reference to monopoly money (which to most of us fans, is what the money these guys make is like to us). his point is that a lot of us look at these fines and say “not enough, suspend him, etc.” without really thinking about the exorbitant amounts of money being discussed, so he put it in terms that most fans can identify with. i dont care how much money you make, being fined sucks.

  144. ravenshaterssuckdonkeydick says: Dec 1, 2010 10:28 AM

    @ ladybucsandsteelersnut

    Harrison is a repeat offender as well.

  145. shadrachterp says: Dec 1, 2010 11:14 AM

    Goodell has kids to feed too!

  146. stanjam says: Dec 1, 2010 11:45 AM

    What an INSULT! Just another reason to hate the out of touch Steelers. He has MORE than enough money for his kids. Either that or he has been utterly foolish with his money and has been neglecting his kids already!

    College indeed. Meanwhile I have a Masters degree, and can’t even afford to have XMas this year for MY kids!

    Tomlinson, you DISGUST me!

  147. worsethingss says: Dec 1, 2010 11:52 AM

    “another classy pittsburgh fan”
    I don’t care about being called classy by someone can’t come up with an original response to something they don’t know anything about.

    _____________________________________

    Why don’t you try and type a coherent sentence before trying to talk smack?

    What a Maroon.

  148. worsethingss says: Dec 1, 2010 12:19 PM

    Deb says: Nov 30, 2010 11:16 PM

    @To the Harrison-is-a-wife-beater crowd …

    Nope. Dude slapped a phone out of her hand. It’s not a good thing, but it’s not a punch in the face either. He went to anger management and now he just pounces on QBs as God (but apparently not Goodell) intended. And she wasn’t his wife

    Rosenthals Speling Instrukter says: Dec 1, 2010 9:03 AM

    @ Deb:

    I don’t want to come off as an a-hole and am not one to kick a dead horse (Probably not true) but I remember reading about this a couple years ago and shaking my head.

    From the post online article:
    “On March 8, Harrison was charged with assaulting his girlfriend, Beth Tibbot, in her Ohio Township home. According to a police affadavit, Harrison broke down a door, broke Tibbot’s cell phone in half as she attempted to call 911, then slapped her face with an open hand, knocking off her glasses. He was charged with simple assault and criminal mischief and faces an April 3 preliminary hearing before a magistrate in Bellevue.”

    ____________________________________

    Well that sounds a little bit more intense than, “Dude slapped a phone out of her hand.”

    ____________________________________

  149. gerardonunez says: Dec 1, 2010 12:24 PM

    He got what he deserved and Tomlin’s reaction is appalling. Harrison did not hit Fitzpatrick in the head, so to those defending him based on that, get a freakin clue! He LEAD WITH HIS HELMET!!! It’s no secret that this is a penalty. You don’t have to like the rule, but it’s still the rule. You all know this. I don’t like stopping at a stop sign when there is no traffic, but I do. It’s the rule and I follow it. Harrison actually made a great play, otherwise. Turn your head and your shoulder hits Fitzpatrick in the chest instead of the crown of your helmet. Doing so results in the same play, same result, doesn’t change how you play and doesn’t take any more precious seconds to do so.

  150. Deb says: Dec 1, 2010 2:43 PM

    @Rosenthals speling instruktor …

    You’re right, and I totally blew that one. I apologize. They were arguing about, of all things, baptizing their child. He wanted to have the child baptized and she didn’t. She went into the bathroom, and he busted in the door, broke the phone, and slapped her face.

    I omitted the door part, but was thinking he slapped the phone and broke it. But he slapped her. Never, never would I condone that behavior. The guy was obviously raging (over a baptism??). However, there is a difference between an open-handed slap and a punch. He enrolled in anger management. The charges were dropped. As far as we know, that’s the only domestic issue he’s been involved in. Anyone can lose it in one argument and slap someone. But when he’s characterized as a “wife beater” it conjures images of someone who routinely punches women. Nothing suggests he’s that kind of person.

  151. bryjord says: Dec 1, 2010 5:16 PM

    The comment was made to say that no matter how much you make taking 125k from someone is insane.

    Especially when Andre Johnson got a high five for a brawl.

  152. phathead7 says: Dec 1, 2010 6:06 PM

    players have asked for a committee to look at these supposedly dirty hits but our ego maniac commishiner said no.he thinks he can handle it by his self .he has proven he cant.if the nfl is going to 18 games i believe the players might go on strike because they are going to get the short end of the stick.right now no one knows what a personnel foul is and if hefty fines are going to be the norm the players have alot to think about. it is not just harrison and tomlin making a fuss about these fines.ray lewis earlier in the season said harrisons hits were clean,brian urlacher has been saying the same all year.i think the steelers should not take the field for on of there games or atleast stay in the locker room for 30extra mins.before kickoff as a protest to all the bogus fines.

  153. spellmethis says: Dec 1, 2010 6:36 PM

    The Steelers and their fan base are being a little too dramatic. Harrison had notice. He could have just as easily hit the QB with his shoulder and not risked any leading with the helmet penalty. His helmet did actually hit Fitzpatrick in the facemask and neck area. And for the fight comparisons, one fight doesn’t equal the habitual violation of league safety rules even after the commish sat you down and spelled it out for you. (Implied joke – Harrison may need a picture book).

    That being said, I think the league could save some face here by providing easy access to the official rulebook. I have been looking all over for a link or way to access the official rulebook (not the b.s. rule digest on nfl.com). Transparency would go a long way. I still don’t think Harrison or Dr. Foreman can whine to the general public.

    If I don’t want a speeding ticket, I don’t speed.

  154. wtf__seriously says: Dec 1, 2010 6:45 PM

    Deb says “However, there is a difference between an open-handed slap and a punch. He enrolled in anger management. The charges were dropped. As far as we know, that’s the only domestic issue he’s been involved in. Anyone can lose it in one argument and slap someone.”

    Whoa, whoa….Deb, you are a woman, right?? You say it’s ok for him to SLAP his GF, as long as he didn’t PUNCH her, after he broke down the door and smashed her cell phone?
    Hate to deviate from the topic, but I can’t believe I just read that.

    Your comment has earned my “Wtf__Seriously Award.

  155. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 1, 2010 6:51 PM

    Deb says:

    ….Never, never would I condone that behavior. The guy was obviously raging (over a baptism??). However, there is a difference between an open-handed slap and a punch. He enrolled in anger management. The charges were dropped. As far as we know, that’s the only domestic issue he’s been involved in. Anyone can lose it in one argument and slap someone.
    ____________

    You say you would never condone that behavior, yet then you immediately proceed to rationalize it. You are so biased it’s sickening.

    Seriously, what unspeakable thing does a Steelers player have to do for you to see him in a negative light? Or is that even possible?

    Nevermind that. Back to the topic at hand. Harrison is a dirty player. That is a fact. He has been fined for some clearly illegal hits, and he has also been fined when he shouldn’t have been.

    Is the league imposing these weekly fines whether he deserves one that specific week or not? It certainly seems that way. Are they singling him out and making an example of him? Probably.

    Is that because of some far-fetched conspiracy (of which no evidence exists) to soften the game and usher in an 18-game season, that somehow involves only one man when there are guys throwing hard hits on every single team? No. It’s because, wait for it…. he’s a dirty player!

  156. radrntn says: Dec 1, 2010 7:27 PM

    steelers fans are hypocrites

  157. Deb says: Dec 1, 2010 11:12 PM

    Heavens, but I’m sooooo tired of talking to people conceived and bred in test tubes with NO real-world understanding.

    @wtf_seriously …

    Never, never would I condone that behavior. The guy was obviously raging. What part of that did you fail to understand?

    @Beer Cheese …

    I don’t care what you think about Harrison’s fine situation.

    @Both of you …

    No, it’s not okay for people to hit each other. But when human beings get into passionate, heated arguments, sometimes they throw something or slam something or slap someone. It’s not okay. But it happens. And it’s a far cry from a man beating the hell out of a woman with his fist. If you’ve never gotten carried away in an argument and slapped anyone or been slapped, congratulations. If you’ve never known a woman who’s been pummeled by a man, congratulations. When you’ve had experience with both situations, you do distinguish between them.

  158. goldsteel says: Dec 2, 2010 12:54 AM

    All this commentary about the police incident is meant to paint James Harrison as someone who can’t control himself in a game situation. Incorrect.

    James Harrison’s issues are that he plays for the Steelers. A team known to be physical and he is physical player. Both are not part of the Roger Goodell National Fine League’s policies on marquee players being hit while in front of the camera.

    Fire Goodell.

  159. Davelina Jolie says: Dec 2, 2010 6:38 AM

    Maybe he should learn how to tackle. HE had ample opportunity to break down and hit Fitzpatrick in the chest, he chose to run full pelt into the guy and hit him in the chin. No one to blame but himself and his poor tackling technique.

  160. joetoronto says: Dec 2, 2010 7:11 AM

    So, an open hand to a woman’s face is OK, but an open hand to Ben’s helmet isn’t.

    Got it.

  161. easyeddie says: Dec 2, 2010 9:04 AM

    Harrison is a self-hating coward. No true man ever strikes a woman, let along their significant other, unless it’s in self-defense — EVER.

  162. vikesfansteve says: Dec 2, 2010 9:09 AM

    Haven’t you all learned by now Deb isn’t playing with a full deck.

  163. EJ says: Dec 2, 2010 10:42 AM

    So don’t you think that Harrison should be a little more responsible about what he does… just because he has children… Maybe he should be a little more careful, that way his kids will inherit 50 million dollars instead of 5 million. Tomlin should just shut his mouth!!

  164. easyeddie says: Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM

    Someday when someone flies helmet to helmet on Wallace and injures him the Steeler fans will be the first squaking about the injustice of it all. Back in the day, Steeler fans were always bitchin and moaning when Jack Tatum or George Atkinson were running around trying to kill someone — crying about the “criminal element” of the Raiders. Self-entitled hypocrites.

  165. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 2, 2010 11:27 AM

    Deb says:

    No, it’s not okay for people to hit each other. But when human beings get into passionate, heated arguments, sometimes they throw something or slam something or slap someone. It’s not okay. But it happens. And it’s a far cry from a man beating the hell out of a woman with his fist. If you’ve never gotten carried away in an argument and slapped anyone or been slapped, congratulations. If you’ve never known a woman who’s been pummeled by a man, congratulations. When you’ve had experience with both situations, you do distinguish between them.
    ____________

    You continue to downplay and justify it. Your first statement is very accurate. Sadly, the “but” that follows it completely nullifies that statement. Then, once again, you downplay the situation.

    This is my stand: It is absolutely not acceptable for a man to hit a woman, for any purpose, under any circumstance. There is no excuse for that. There is no justification, regardless of what team said man plays for.

    If you disagree with that, if you answer with “but..” or “however..”, or you once again try to rationalize anyone engaging in that sort of activity, be it a slap, a punch, a bullet, or worse, then you are quite simply a disgrace to your gender.

  166. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 2, 2010 11:35 AM

    joetoronto says:

    So, an open hand to a woman’s face is OK, but an open hand to Ben’s helmet isn’t.
    _____________

    Not exactly. According to Deb, an open hand to a woman’s face is okay ONLY if the man behind the hand is listed on the current Pittsburgh Steelers roster. If anyone else does it, it’s a terrible crime, and should be punished accordingly.

    Spot on with the Ben thing though. Why does everyone keep picking on him so much? Poor guy..

  167. southbeachtalent says: Dec 2, 2010 2:29 PM

    Romanowski said it best, if you have to wear a helmet to play a sport chances are there will be a lot of contact. Goodell is killing the game. Can you imagine LT (the real LT), Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, etc.. playing in todays NFL? Rediculous…

    That being said, I appreciate Tomlin standing up for his player but to say that he has two kids and to imply that these fines will hinder Harrison’s childrens education is plain ignorant. And that’s an understatement!!

  168. Deb says: Dec 2, 2010 2:40 PM

    @Beer Cheese, joetoronto, and easyeddie …

    It’s like talking to infants. None of you are interested in the issues related to these fines. Beer Cheese and easyeddie are simply Steeler- haters. joetoronto hates everyone.

    It is never okay for people to hit one another, open-handed or otherwise, except in self-defense. It’s never okay for children to bully other children at school. On the scale of school violence, however, shoving a kid in the lunch line is a lesser form of violence than shooting a kid with an automatic weapon. On the scale of domestic violence, slapping a partner open-handed in the heat of an argument is a lesser form of violence than a man pummeling a woman with his fist.

    You’re demonstrating the same mentality as those who equate a woman who willingly drinks herself into oblivion and willingly climbs into bed with a man then later claims she was too drunk to consent with a woman who was minding her own business and was suddenly violently attacked. Being slapped does not equal being pummeled with a fist. Being willingly drunk and promiscuous does not equal being violently attacked. I’m sorry you’re all too immature to understand that–and that you think such serious subjects are good fodder for tweaking a woman on a football blog. My guess is that none of you has firsthand experience with any of this.

    As goldsteel said, the “wife beater” label is all about trying to falsely portray Harrison as an out-of-control thug. Frankly, I think a certain amount of racism is involved as well, because Harrison is very dark-skinned and has perfected his menacing stare. But it hits a nerve when you point out the obvious.

    It’s more childishness to equate what happens between a man and woman in their home to what happens on the football field. But just because a slap is a lesser form of violence than a punch doesn’t mean it’s insignificant. It was an assault, which is why the police were called and why Harrison entered an anger-management program. So are you suggesting that Seymour assaulted Roethlisberger? Then you think the police should have been called to the field? Gee, my only complaint was that Seymour should have received a larger fine. Since he was ejected, I didn’t even advocate suspension.

  169. worsethingss says: Dec 2, 2010 3:01 PM

    Well here we go with the race card! How pathetic is that!

  170. easyeddie says: Dec 2, 2010 3:03 PM

    Deb, I feel intensely sorry for you for your incredible lack of logi, as well as ideas about domestic abuse. I’m sure you were among the diehard Ben defenders as well.
    I do feel intense dislike for you and your race-card dealing. How dare you call me a racist — you’ve brought up race, not me. Grow up.

  171. pigspigspigspigs says: Dec 2, 2010 6:27 PM

    It is a shame that James Harrison is going to be remembered as a dirty player. If you look at how his career began and where it is now he is quite the remarkable NFL story. It almost rivals that of Kurt Warner although not as long.

    James Harrison was an undrafted free agent from Kent State. He was also cut so many times by the steelers and ravens he could have bled to death. He did not get a chance to start until he was 29 years old and in his first 3 seasons as a starter he only compiled multiple all pro teams and pro bowls as well as the defensive player of the year award. He should win the defensive mvp this year as well.

    Oh ya, he also is responsible for one of the greatest plays in superbowl history from the 2008 game and was on the roster of the 2005 steeler superbowl team.

    All-Pro Teams
    Year Team Level Voters
    2007 2nd Team All-NFL Associated Press
    2008 1st Team All-NFL Associated Press
    2008 1st Team All-NFL Pro Football Writers
    2008 1st Team All-NFL Sporting News
    2009 2nd Team All-NFL Sporting New

    This is not a player that stepped on the field as a top pick from a top school and was great from the beginning. He was going to be a bus driver if he got cut by the steelers the last time.

    I guess a couple personal fouls will hurt your legacy even if it is comparable to a bible thumping golly gee quarterback that sold groceries.

  172. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 2, 2010 6:31 PM

    Deb-

    I’m not a Steeler-hater, as has been discussed. I’m not a racist, in fact, I’m biracial. I’m not a wife-beater or a misogynist either.

    You really should abandon this thread. Quit while you’re behind, every post seems to put you in a deeper hole.

  173. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 2, 2010 6:39 PM

    easyeddie says:

    Deb, I feel intensely sorry for you for your incredible lack of logi, as well as ideas about domestic abuse. I’m sure you were among the diehard Ben defenders as well.
    ____________

    Oh, you obviously weren’t here. She was THE Ben defender.

    Now personally, I don’t think he’s a rapist, or a sexual assaulter, or the like.. He’s just one of the dumbest idiots in NFL history.

    However, the way Deb rushed to his defense less than 5 minutes after the accusation was made public bordered on straight obsession. Scary stuff.

  174. vikesfansteve says: Dec 2, 2010 8:01 PM

    Dec 2, 2010 11:27 AM

    Deb says:

    Hee Haw

  175. spellmethis says: Dec 2, 2010 8:27 PM

    It’s the prevalence of people like Deb in this world that have me concerned.

  176. worsethingss says: Dec 2, 2010 8:44 PM

    Amen to that.

  177. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Dec 3, 2010 1:27 PM

    @ Beer Cheese Soup …

    I respect your admission and realistic stance on the Harrison fines … probably being targeted and yes probably being fined for hits that shouldn’t be flagged nor fined.

    However, I completely disagree with you that the NFL front office is being completely transparent about their motives. The wonderful world of business, including the NFL, is all about the almighty dollar. Roger God-dell and Ray Anderson are both trying to change the game forever to soften the physical nature of football, extend the season and for what reason? They want to make more money and they want to convince other countries to jump in to a less violent, more offensive / less defensive sport.

    As fans, we all need to unite at some point and indicate that the NFL without physical play and the direct neutering of strong defense, is not the NFL we will support.

    I would suggest the following:

    Helmet to helmet – FINED
    Intentional helmet to helmet – FINED AND SUSPENDED

    Harrison’s hits on Brees and Fitzpatrick were legitimate. Please listen to Mike and Mike, Trent Dilfer and other non-Steeler loving / biased experts who all believe the league is taking this too far.

    The easiest thing for God-ell and his cronies to do is target Harrison. You’ve indirectly admitted it, now the league should also.

    Thanks for your honesty!

  178. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Dec 3, 2010 1:28 PM

    @ Beer Cheese Soup …

    I respect your admission and realistic stance on the Harrison fines … probably being targeted and yes probably being fined for hits that shouldn’t be flagged nor fined.

    However, I completely disagree with you that the NFL front office is being completely transparent about their motives. The wonderful world of business, including the NFL, is all about the almighty dollar. Roger God-dell and Ray Anderson are both trying to change the game forever to soften the physical nature of football, extend the season and for what reason? They want to make more money and they want to convince other countries to jump in to a less violent, more offensive / less defensive sport.

    As fans, we all need to unite at some point and indicate that the NFL without physical play and the direct neutering of strong defense, is not the NFL we will support.

    I would suggest the following:

    Helmet to helmet – FINED
    Intentional helmet to helmet – FINED AND SUSPENDED

    Harrison’s hits on Brees and Fitzpatrick were legitimate. Please listen to Mike and Mike, Trent Dilfer and other non-Steeler loving / non-biased experts who all believe the league is taking this too far.

    The easiest thing for God-ell and his cronies to do is target Harrison. You’ve indirectly admitted it, now the league should also.

    Thanks for your honesty!

  179. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 2:47 PM

    @Beer Cheese Soup …

    Right now, the most disturbing thing on this thread is the post from

    6isgr8lamehaters

    respecting your comments and thanking you for your honesty.

    Being new to PFT, this individual has no idea that he’s dealing with a completely irrational and obsessed Steeler hater who dogs our threads continually, accusing us of buying Super Bowls. He actually thinks you are capable of sincerety. God bless him. Your comments about me regarding the Roethlisberger case are LIES stemming from bitterness over my repeated contradiction of your Area 51 conspiracy theories.

    As I posted throughout the summer, I’m a journalist who has covered many legal cases, and my brother and sister-in-law are criminal defense attorneys. The presumption of innocence is bedrock to me, no matter WHO is involved. That’s why even though I’m an Alabama diehard who hates Auburn, I’ve persistently posted the same defense of Cam Newton that I posted of Ben Roethlisberger–innocent until someone produces evidence to the contrary.

    I thoroughly investigated–because it’s what I do for a living–the Nevada accusation against Ben. And since the evidence there clearly points to his innocence, yes, I doubted the veracity of the new claim. It’s difficult to imagine that a man innocent of one rape accusation would suddenly go out and rape someone else. But I most certainly did not jump to his defense five minutes after the accusation. I repeatedly posted that we would have to presume him innocent but wait until the evidence was in.

    I researched the case, reading every witness statement, police document, report, and even discussing the case with attorneys and other specialists, including researching the DNA testing involved. My conclusions are exactly in line with the prosecutor’s–whose 71-minute summation I’ve listened to multiple times to make sure I made note of every detail.

    I took that kind of time because I’m a rape survivor and have spent YEARS working with other rape victims and needed to be certain in my own mind and heart that our team was not harboring a rapist. YOU KNOW EVERY BIT OF THIS. You’re just taking this opportunity to pour salt in old wounds because the newbies don’t and might buy your BS until they learn better. Considering the really monstrous rape-related stuff posted at me by the lynch mob because I kept sticking to the case facts and how long it took for all that to die down, it took a special kind of evil for you to post those lies about me today. You are one very sick puppy. Do not ever address me again.

  180. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 2:58 PM

    @easyeddie …

    Just guessing, but I suspect my knowledge of domestic abuse is a little more thorough than yours. As I’ve said, I’m tired of playing games with boys. I haven’t excused ANY form of domestic abuse, but slaps and punches are different forms of violence, just as punches and gunshots are different forms of violence. Sorry if that’s over your head.

    Don’t recall making a racist reference to you specifically, but since I rarely use it, there must have been a reason. Have used it with someone who says Harrison’s only good for bagging groceries. Funny, but I never hear those comments about Brady or Manning or any other caucasian players no matter how annoyed commenters get with them. And I do believe the constant “thug” references have racial undertones because, again, those references are never used with caucasian players. Sorry, but racism is a factor in our society whether or not we choose to acknowledge it. And it’s not necessarily a conscious thing.

    @spellmethis …

    You asked for a logical explanation, and I provided it. Nice to read your rational counterargument. Impressive.

  181. majikbullet says: Dec 3, 2010 3:06 PM

    #
    vikesfansteve says: Dec 2, 2010 9:09 AM

    Haven’t you all learned by now Deb isn’t playing with a full deck.
    ===================
    I don’t entirely agree but this made me laugh!!!

  182. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Dec 3, 2010 3:09 PM

    @ javelina dolie

    ————————————————-

    Your perspectives couldn’t be further from reality. Harrison’s facemask met Fitzpatrick in the upper chest. He didn’t drive his head nor his helmet into Fitzpatrick in any sense. I’ve posted the video on here or other posts regarding this topic, so go have a look for yourself. I happened to see it “live” on Sunday and have reviewed the clip multiple times.

    You need to be realistic with the speed of the game. The technique Harrison used was appropriate. In fact, why don’t you google Ray Anderson and the video he released on October 21st after the initial round of fines were levied for helmet to helmet hits that weekend. He’s an effin hypocrite and as biased as one could be when he reviews a hit by Ray Lewis on a defenseless Jet receiver. He starts off his comments on the hit by stating here’s a “Great hit by a great player….”. WTF is that? Is he being paid on the side to support Ray the Criminal Lewis? More importantly, when you see the hit, you’ll quickly realize that poor Ray Anderson is blind. Lewis hits the defender with his head/part of his helmet and “blows him up” big time. Much harder hit than the Harrison-Fitzpatrick hit and to be quite honest, outside of his helmet making contact with the shoulder area of the receiver vs the center of the chest, I don’t see why that hit is legitimate and Harrison’s hit on Fitzpatrick is NOT legitimate.

    Ray Anderson and God-ell are a bunch of panzies trying to change the game for money and no other reason.

    Mike Golic, Trent Dilfer and many others on the ESPN lineup of radio and TV experts have all rolled their eyes more than once over the Harrison-Fitzpatrick hit. It WAS a bogus call, an inappropriate fine and just down right BULL-SHIITE.

    Next time, get your facts in order, listen to non-biased experts and go look at the video. The league is wishy-washy at best. They need to release non-game videos, game type scenarios where they have players or ex-players demonstrating proper technique. Too much gray, not enough clarity around what constitutes appropriate vs inappropriate hits. Or, as I’ve simply suggested:

    Helmet to Helmet – FINE

    Helmet to Helment with “clear intent” to hit with the head – FINE AND SUSPEND

    It’s pretty clear when a player tries to “spear” another player with the top of their helmet. For the Brees and Fitzpatrick hits, Harrison did neither. They were both text book hits. He’s being targeted, plain and simple.

    God-ell and Anderson – You both SUK donkey doo. Florio – You are close to joining them.

  183. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 3:44 PM

    @majik …

    You’ve assumed another guy’s identity and you’re laughing about me not playing with a full deck?

    vikesfansteve’s just hopping from thread to thread trying to get my attention. Hey, vikesfansteve LOL

    But on the nut scale, darlin’ … I’m an itty bitty pistachio to your big ol’ Brazil nut ;)

  184. majikbullet says: Dec 3, 2010 4:39 PM

    @Deb,

    LOL….how sad….reaching a little….sorry I thought he made a funny……and I said I didn’t ENTIRELY agree…..you occasionally make good points when not sticking up for athletes who have raped, murdered, sexted his dink, or being as bias as anyone about their beloved team! So again, I thought it was funny, lighten up or make better arguments if you want to be taken seriously!

  185. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 5:30 PM

    @majik …

    You’re telling me to lighten up? I make a joke about pistachios and Brazil nuts … then you come back with rape and murder and tell me to lighten up? Riiiggght. That’s kind of like a guy who assumed someone else’s identity lecturing me on how to ensure my posts are taken seriously.

    You’re having an off day, aren’t you, majik man?

    By the way … hey to Pat :)

  186. majikbullet says: Dec 3, 2010 6:38 PM

    Oh poor Deb, look up and you will see you are being made look like a complete fool…..your made that I thought somebody made a joke and now you are trying to insigate a “war.” Pathetic.

  187. rushmatic says: Dec 3, 2010 7:27 PM

    @ Deb

    Have to agree with majik on that point. In the beginning, I admired what I thought was your subjectivity and humble attitude. Then I read a few more posts…

  188. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 11:20 PM

    Well, rushmatic, you can’t please everyone. majik is talking to me on multiple threads and you’re completely out of the loop. Apparently so am I!

    vikesfansteve made a snarky comment about me–as he’s done on several threads. majik joked about it. I laughed and said that’s the pot calling the kettle black since he assumed another guy’s identity–which is what he told everyone. Then I made a joke about pistachio nuts and Brazil nuts … complete with a winky face! It’s beyond me how anyone could have taken that good-natured clowning as “sad” and “you need to lighten up.” But I tried to respond to that nonsense with more joking and another winky face. Now I’m somehow “pathetic” and starting a war.

    Sorry, but I’m just commenting on a blog, not psychoanalyzing the other participants. I have no earthly idea what majik is raving about or who you are and why you’ve decided to add your two cents. And sorry to burst your bubble … but I don’t care. I should have listened to the other Vikes fans who’ve given the “imposter” a wide berth. As for you … thanks but I’ve had my fill of mixed nuts. Have fun munching with “majik”–whoever he is.

    Oh, majik … hey to Squeaky.

  189. goldsteel says: Dec 4, 2010 12:51 AM

    notsosmartski says:
    Dec 1, 2010 3:50 AM
    Perhaps Tomlin ought to start a collection for Harrison or chip in some of his own money to pay the fine or give his player a paid day off!

    The Steelers fans are already doing that but Mr. Harrison will not accept the money. Instead he is donating the money to some foundation. Steeler fans are just that, fans. We love that freakin’ team!

    Fire Goodell.

  190. spellmethis says: Dec 4, 2010 2:57 PM

    @ Deb

    Seeing as you’ve only responded to me once I am not sure how you gave me a rational explanation or what you were explaining to me. Either way. My comment about people like you concerning me about today’s world, I am talking about your “expert” views on domestic abuse.

    Deb: “You’re demonstrating the same mentality as those who equate a woman who willingly drinks herself into oblivion and willingly climbs into bed with a man then later claims she was too drunk to consent with a woman who was minding her own business and was suddenly violently attacked. Being slapped does not equal being pummeled with a fist. Being willingly drunk and promiscuous does not equal being violently attacked.”

    Contact your defense attorney relatives and give them the scenario of rape with or without alcohol. It’s still a crime. Don’t give me a half-baked distinction between being drunk and promiscuous as not counting.

    Along that vein, domestic abuse is domestic abuse whether it’s an open handed slap to the face or a punch in the nose. And slapping a woman in the face is no better than punching her in the face. You’re still striking the person in an abusive manner. And no, not every man flies off the handle at some point and slaps a woman.

    You’re arguing degrees and basically blaming women who drink for being raped and not those who rape them. Let me guess, a woman who wears a skirt that is too short in your mind deserves to be raped because she is tempting the man who rapes her by showing too much.

    What scares me about you is that you wholeheartedly believe that you are right.

    But please, let me know what you were trying to rationally explain to me and I’m sure I will be able to provide an intelligent and insightful counter argument. Just be sure to let me know when you’re actually responding.

  191. majikbullet says: Dec 4, 2010 4:02 PM

    @Deb,

    With your sudden implosion of any logic whatsoever, I thouht you were already listening to Vikings fans….squeaky, tex????

    I don’t expect much out of you though, I see you rate Ben as a top 7 QB in the league and I’ve heard you argue Brady is better than Manning…both points make me think you want to get in an argument from knowledgeable fans or you are really that ignorant of the game, not that I expect someone who has never played at any level to have a thorough understanding…just as I don’t expect Suzy Kolber to tell me how to get a pre snap read…..so again my expectations for you are very very minimal at best!

    And last time I checked we are on a Steelers post, shouldn’t this be where you get at least a little support? So far I’ve seen only you discredit me and seen a half dozen or so people hand you, your arse!

  192. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 4, 2010 5:47 PM

    @spellmethis:

    Thank you, I’ve been trying to say exactly that for weeks. Rape is rape (though I don’t feel Ben is guilty of it), regardless of circumstances. Abuse is abuse, regardless of severity. There is no excuse, no rationale, no reason to downplay or excuse either one.

    Deb seems to be a fairly level-headed and intelligent woman. However, she is a bit confused about what being a fan means. She will defend to the death anyone who wears a Steelers uniform, no matter what they do.

    I honestly believe that if Rae Carruth had played for Pittsburgh, she’d still be claiming his innocence, or saying that the woman somehow deserved it. If there’s a criminal or an idiot on my team (like Chmura, or Johnny Jolly), I call him out as such.

    I don’t understand how someone who claims to be both a victim of rape and domestic violence in the past can defend wither one under any circumstance. It simply makes no sense.

  193. spellmethis says: Dec 4, 2010 7:52 PM

    @Beer Cheese Soup:

    I agree with you. Deb does seem like she is intelligent but, like you said, her unwavering support and proliferation of excuses are unnerving. It’s exactly her apparent intelligence combined with her attempts to downplay certain criminal activity in order to benefit her team’s image that scares me. I just hope she doesn’t carry the same views in all circumstances. Blaming a woman for being raped or domestically abused is dumbfounding.

  194. steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 4, 2010 9:11 PM

    Deb, spellmethis, beercheese, majik etc. quite the interesting exchange you all have going on here. just some observations:
    I dont really think Deb is “defending” one kind of abuse or another, i think she’s just pointing out there there are differences between the actual physical nature of the abuse, and in fact the law agrees in most instances. It’s why there are varying degrees of criminal offense (ex. 1st degree, 2nd degree, aggravated, armed, etc.). all of which apply to assault charges as well.
    in regards to her defense of ben. i think its rather admirable that SOMEONE still believes in a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. so many others have been willing to take an ESPN report at face value and just assume the man is guilty just because he was accused. whether you agree with HER or not, you cannot argue with the evidence (or lack thereof in this instance) that points to exactly what she’s been arguing on everything of hers that i’ve read….he didnt rape anyone and should be left alone…also, if she’s actually a journalist as she says, it further explains her insistence on getting the facts right and her
    unusual breadth of knowledge on the topic.
    in regards to defending harrison, i’m with her all the way (the spirit of her arguments, not necessarily the arguments themselves). he’s playing the SAME way he did when everyone
    sang his praises and named him defensive POY. Only now there is renewed emphasis on these
    rules is he all of a sudden “dirty”. the fact is that the rules are ridiculous (yes, i understand that its the way things are now and he’s going to have to change the way he plays because they are not going to change the rules) and conflict with everything that anyone who plays football is taught. no one on a football field with equipment is defenseless unless they are in mid-air (and even then the obvious solution is DONT JUMP). vulnerable yes, but defenseless no. you know what you signed up for and you know that you need to be paying attention to what is going on around you…PERIOD… if you doubt this, ASK ANYONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME with any measure of success. the way he plays is aggressive, violent, dangerous, and brutal, and maybe all of those things excessively so, but that doesnt make him dirty. Dirty players intentionally
    try to inflict injury, take PEDs, hit after the whistle (i’ll give you the VY suplex, but that was an aberration), take out knees, etc. I’m sure there are those of you out there who will argue that James is all of those things, but i just dont buy it. I just dont see how he would have been voted defensive POY if he was all those things. he’s a stubborn SOB who i
    hope will accept the changes he needs to make if only because he going to get himself suspended at a really inconvenient time for us. the man is a phenonenal athlete and competitor and simply needs to adapt his style of play to the rules of the league in which he plays and compensates him handsomely. its such a shame that so many find it necessary to cast him as everything wrong with the nfl when all he’s really doing is clinging to exactly what got him (and a great many others) into the league in the first place.
    i think the real rub on this whole issue is the notion of the “letter of the law” vs. the “spirit of the law”. there’s no question that the spirit of the law is to discourage, prevent and ultimately eliminate intentional, dirty hits. the unfortunate effect it will
    have (because of this robotic obsession with, and enforcement of, the letter, and not spirit, of the law) is that it is going to ultimately change the nature of the game from one that celebrates and
    embraces physical play to one that reluctantly accepts it as a cost of doing business.

  195. spellmethis says: Dec 5, 2010 11:57 AM

    @ steelerdynasty2010

    I know you were responding to everyone as a whole and I am not sure what everyone has said at all times. I never disagreed with the fact that there are different degrees of a crime. My point is that, regardless of the degree charged, rape or domestic abuse is still a crime, a serious crime at that.

    My main point of contention with Deb is that she displays a propensity to blame the victim, “You’re demonstrating the same mentality as those who equate a woman who willingly drinks herself into oblivion and willingly climbs into bed with a man then later claims she was too drunk to consent with a woman who was minding her own business and was suddenly violently attacked…Being willingly drunk and promiscuous does not equal being violently attacked.”

    Her arguments mirror the disturbing train of thought that a person deserves the crimes against them if they put themselves in a certain position. This essentially gives the actual criminal a free pass because “their impulses were tempted and they were unable to restrain themselves.”

    I never said Ben did anything. And yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The argument is broader than your team. Of course the criminal justice system recognizes degrees of a crime but whether or not a person who abuses or rapes another did so without an element necessary for a more severe degree does not mean that person did no wrong.

    In regards to Harrison, whether or not he is a “dirty player” is not really the issue in my mind. The issue is that everyone has received the same notice. The game can be played at a high and physical level without hits with the helmet. Harrison can deliver the same type of blow with a shoulder and not his helmet. (E.g., Bart Scott sack on Ben from a few years back). The bottom line is that Harrison and your team have been put on notice, as every other player and team, and they are the only ones that are continually whining about being targeted. I know intelligence isn’t a high priority but c’mon, they can’t figure it out?

    I’ll leave your “ASK ANYONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME” comment aside and not take the bait. But I will say this. I’ve played the game, and not just some junior league or Senior year and done b.s. While playing you have hard hits and you are taught to play aggressively and hit a certain way. Tackling with your helmet first is not the universal instruction. As well, when you play the game, if you are regularly called for UR you make it a point to address it. You don’t keep doing the things you’ve been warned against and then give an “ah shucks, no one likes me anymore” excuse.

  196. mrhappy2000 says: Dec 6, 2010 12:50 AM

    The “bottom line” is that the league has completely different rules for different players. Harrison can makes a hit that’s at best borderline and receives an enormous fine. Someone punches Ben in the head after a play and is fined the minimum (imagine Harrison doing that to Brady). Ben’s get a broken nose after a hit to the head and not even a flag. Heath Miller is knocked out of the game after a flagrant helmet to helmet hit and no flag.

  197. spellmethis says: Dec 6, 2010 1:28 AM

    @mrhappy2000

    Harrison has been the crucified one on the league’s emphasis on these types of hits. The hits by Ngata and McClain will surely draw a fine but saying that because they didn’t draw a penalty means there are different rules for different players isn’t true. Not every one of Harrison’s fines came on a play where he was initially flagged. Wait for the fines to come out first. They still probably won’t be as high as Harrison’s though because Harrison has made his situation a more high profile matter and is repeating the behavior.

  198. Pooped says: Dec 6, 2010 1:38 AM

    If the league were consistent in its enforcement of these rules, no one would be complaining.

    And this article is just slightly racist if you ask me. Leading a with a headline like that is asking for someone to call out the author on his true intentions here. And I think we all know what those intentions are.

  199. tudefit says: Dec 6, 2010 3:40 PM

    Complain about the fines if you think the hits were legal but c’mon . . . . . give me a break on the 2 kids stuff. If he has problems paying for their expenses he can apply for welfare. These people need to spend time in real life. Tomlin just made himself look like a fool. Probably not to the athletes though, as they don’t have a clue about normal finances either.

  200. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 6, 2010 5:23 PM

    Pooped says:

    And this article is just slightly racist if you ask me. Leading a with a headline like that is asking for someone to call out the author on his true intentions here. And I think we all know what those intentions are.
    ____________

    The minute you have to resort to playing the race card, any argument you might have had vanishes, and you look like a fool.

    Just ask Deb how that one goes.

  201. Pooped says: Dec 6, 2010 8:35 PM

    “The minute you have to resort to playing the race card, any argument you might have had vanishes, and you look like a fool.”

    Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.

  202. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 6, 2010 10:17 PM

    Pooped says:

    Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.
    _____________

    Hey, guess what: I’m not white.

    Who’s the racist NOW??

  203. worsethingss says: Dec 6, 2010 11:24 PM

    #
    Pooped says: Dec 6, 2010 8:35 PM

    “The minute you have to resort to playing the race card, any argument you might have had vanishes, and you look like a fool.”

    Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.
    ______________________________________

    Wow Beer, you are right. “Pooped” you really sound like an idiot. Good luck with that.

  204. Pooped says: Dec 7, 2010 2:07 AM

    “Wow Beer, you are right. “Pooped” you really sound like an idiot. Good luck with that.”

    Thanks for confirming his thoughts. I can sleep now.

  205. psousa1 says: Dec 7, 2010 5:10 PM

    And which one of his kids was mauled by his pitbull – the one where James Harrison argued against putting down the dog?

    He’s just an unevolved person.

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