He’s just an unevolved person.

Thanks for confirming his thoughts. I can sleep now.

“The minute you have to resort to playing the race card, any argument you might have had vanishes, and you look like a fool.”

Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.
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Wow Beer, you are right. “Pooped” you really sound like an idiot. Good luck with that.

Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.
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Hey, guess what: I’m not white.

Who’s the racist NOW??

Yeah I hear this a lot from the gey tea bagger crowd. Seems to be the rallying cry for a group of white male pu$$ies who need to avoid the truth because they have no excuse. Good luck with that.

And this article is just slightly racist if you ask me. Leading a with a headline like that is asking for someone to call out the author on his true intentions here. And I think we all know what those intentions are.
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The minute you have to resort to playing the race card, any argument you might have had vanishes, and you look like a fool.

Just ask Deb how that one goes.

And this article is just slightly racist if you ask me. Leading a with a headline like that is asking for someone to call out the author on his true intentions here. And I think we all know what those intentions are.

Harrison has been the crucified one on the league’s emphasis on these types of hits. The hits by Ngata and McClain will surely draw a fine but saying that because they didn’t draw a penalty means there are different rules for different players isn’t true. Not every one of Harrison’s fines came on a play where he was initially flagged. Wait for the fines to come out first. They still probably won’t be as high as Harrison’s though because Harrison has made his situation a more high profile matter and is repeating the behavior.

I know you were responding to everyone as a whole and I am not sure what everyone has said at all times. I never disagreed with the fact that there are different degrees of a crime. My point is that, regardless of the degree charged, rape or domestic abuse is still a crime, a serious crime at that.

My main point of contention with Deb is that she displays a propensity to blame the victim, “You’re demonstrating the same mentality as those who equate a woman who willingly drinks herself into oblivion and willingly climbs into bed with a man then later claims she was too drunk to consent with a woman who was minding her own business and was suddenly violently attacked…Being willingly drunk and promiscuous does not equal being violently attacked.”

Her arguments mirror the disturbing train of thought that a person deserves the crimes against them if they put themselves in a certain position. This essentially gives the actual criminal a free pass because “their impulses were tempted and they were unable to restrain themselves.”

I never said Ben did anything. And yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The argument is broader than your team. Of course the criminal justice system recognizes degrees of a crime but whether or not a person who abuses or rapes another did so without an element necessary for a more severe degree does not mean that person did no wrong.

In regards to Harrison, whether or not he is a “dirty player” is not really the issue in my mind. The issue is that everyone has received the same notice. The game can be played at a high and physical level without hits with the helmet. Harrison can deliver the same type of blow with a shoulder and not his helmet. (E.g., Bart Scott sack on Ben from a few years back). The bottom line is that Harrison and your team have been put on notice, as every other player and team, and they are the only ones that are continually whining about being targeted. I know intelligence isn’t a high priority but c’mon, they can’t figure it out?

I’ll leave your “ASK ANYONE WHO HAS ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME” comment aside and not take the bait. But I will say this. I’ve played the game, and not just some junior league or Senior year and done b.s. While playing you have hard hits and you are taught to play aggressively and hit a certain way. Tackling with your helmet first is not the universal instruction. As well, when you play the game, if you are regularly called for UR you make it a point to address it. You don’t keep doing the things you’ve been warned against and then give an “ah shucks, no one likes me anymore” excuse.

I agree with you. Deb does seem like she is intelligent but, like you said, her unwavering support and proliferation of excuses are unnerving. It’s exactly her apparent intelligence combined with her attempts to downplay certain criminal activity in order to benefit her team’s image that scares me. I just hope she doesn’t carry the same views in all circumstances. Blaming a woman for being raped or domestically abused is dumbfounding.

Thank you, I’ve been trying to say exactly that for weeks. Rape is rape (though I don’t feel Ben is guilty of it), regardless of circumstances. Abuse is abuse, regardless of severity. There is no excuse, no rationale, no reason to downplay or excuse either one.

Deb seems to be a fairly level-headed and intelligent woman. However, she is a bit confused about what being a fan means. She will defend to the death anyone who wears a Steelers uniform, no matter what they do.

I honestly believe that if Rae Carruth had played for Pittsburgh, she’d still be claiming his innocence, or saying that the woman somehow deserved it. If there’s a criminal or an idiot on my team (like Chmura, or Johnny Jolly), I call him out as such.

I don’t understand how someone who claims to be both a victim of rape and domestic violence in the past can defend wither one under any circumstance. It simply makes no sense.

With your sudden implosion of any logic whatsoever, I thouht you were already listening to Vikings fans….squeaky, tex????

I don’t expect much out of you though, I see you rate Ben as a top 7 QB in the league and I’ve heard you argue Brady is better than Manning…both points make me think you want to get in an argument from knowledgeable fans or you are really that ignorant of the game, not that I expect someone who has never played at any level to have a thorough understanding…just as I don’t expect Suzy Kolber to tell me how to get a pre snap read…..so again my expectations for you are very very minimal at best!

And last time I checked we are on a Steelers post, shouldn’t this be where you get at least a little support? So far I’ve seen only you discredit me and seen a half dozen or so people hand you, your arse!

Seeing as you’ve only responded to me once I am not sure how you gave me a rational explanation or what you were explaining to me. Either way. My comment about people like you concerning me about today’s world, I am talking about your “expert” views on domestic abuse.

Deb: “You’re demonstrating the same mentality as those who equate a woman who willingly drinks herself into oblivion and willingly climbs into bed with a man then later claims she was too drunk to consent with a woman who was minding her own business and was suddenly violently attacked. Being slapped does not equal being pummeled with a fist. Being willingly drunk and promiscuous does not equal being violently attacked.”

Contact your defense attorney relatives and give them the scenario of rape with or without alcohol. It’s still a crime. Don’t give me a half-baked distinction between being drunk and promiscuous as not counting.

Along that vein, domestic abuse is domestic abuse whether it’s an open handed slap to the face or a punch in the nose. And slapping a woman in the face is no better than punching her in the face. You’re still striking the person in an abusive manner. And no, not every man flies off the handle at some point and slaps a woman.

You’re arguing degrees and basically blaming women who drink for being raped and not those who rape them. Let me guess, a woman who wears a skirt that is too short in your mind deserves to be raped because she is tempting the man who rapes her by showing too much.

What scares me about you is that you wholeheartedly believe that you are right.

But please, let me know what you were trying to rationally explain to me and I’m sure I will be able to provide an intelligent and insightful counter argument. Just be sure to let me know when you’re actually responding.

The Steelers fans are already doing that but Mr. Harrison will not accept the money. Instead he is donating the money to some foundation. Steeler fans are just that, fans. We love that freakin’ team!

Fire Goodell.

vikesfansteve made a snarky comment about me–as he’s done on several threads. majik joked about it. I laughed and said that’s the pot calling the kettle black since he assumed another guy’s identity–which is what he told everyone. Then I made a joke about pistachio nuts and Brazil nuts … complete with a winky face! It’s beyond me how anyone could have taken that good-natured clowning as “sad” and “you need to lighten up.” But I tried to respond to that nonsense with more joking and another winky face. Now I’m somehow “pathetic” and starting a war.

Sorry, but I’m just commenting on a blog, not psychoanalyzing the other participants. I have no earthly idea what majik is raving about or who you are and why you’ve decided to add your two cents. And sorry to burst your bubble … but I don’t care. I should have listened to the other Vikes fans who’ve given the “imposter” a wide berth. As for you … thanks but I’ve had my fill of mixed nuts. Have fun munching with “majik”–whoever he is.

Oh, majik … hey to Squeaky.

Have to agree with majik on that point. In the beginning, I admired what I thought was your subjectivity and humble attitude. Then I read a few more posts…

You’re telling me to lighten up? I make a joke about pistachios and Brazil nuts … then you come back with rape and murder and tell me to lighten up? Riiiggght. That’s kind of like a guy who assumed someone else’s identity lecturing me on how to ensure my posts are taken seriously.

You’re having an off day, aren’t you, majik man?

By the way … hey to Pat

LOL….how sad….reaching a little….sorry I thought he made a funny……and I said I didn’t ENTIRELY agree…..you occasionally make good points when not sticking up for athletes who have raped, murdered, sexted his dink, or being as bias as anyone about their beloved team! So again, I thought it was funny, lighten up or make better arguments if you want to be taken seriously!

You’ve assumed another guy’s identity and you’re laughing about me not playing with a full deck?

vikesfansteve’s just hopping from thread to thread trying to get my attention. Hey, vikesfansteve LOL

But on the nut scale, darlin’ … I’m an itty bitty pistachio to your big ol’ Brazil nut

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Your perspectives couldn’t be further from reality. Harrison’s facemask met Fitzpatrick in the upper chest. He didn’t drive his head nor his helmet into Fitzpatrick in any sense. I’ve posted the video on here or other posts regarding this topic, so go have a look for yourself. I happened to see it “live” on Sunday and have reviewed the clip multiple times.

You need to be realistic with the speed of the game. The technique Harrison used was appropriate. In fact, why don’t you google Ray Anderson and the video he released on October 21st after the initial round of fines were levied for helmet to helmet hits that weekend. He’s an effin hypocrite and as biased as one could be when he reviews a hit by Ray Lewis on a defenseless Jet receiver. He starts off his comments on the hit by stating here’s a “Great hit by a great player….”. WTF is that? Is he being paid on the side to support Ray the Criminal Lewis? More importantly, when you see the hit, you’ll quickly realize that poor Ray Anderson is blind. Lewis hits the defender with his head/part of his helmet and “blows him up” big time. Much harder hit than the Harrison-Fitzpatrick hit and to be quite honest, outside of his helmet making contact with the shoulder area of the receiver vs the center of the chest, I don’t see why that hit is legitimate and Harrison’s hit on Fitzpatrick is NOT legitimate.

Ray Anderson and God-ell are a bunch of panzies trying to change the game for money and no other reason.

Mike Golic, Trent Dilfer and many others on the ESPN lineup of radio and TV experts have all rolled their eyes more than once over the Harrison-Fitzpatrick hit. It WAS a bogus call, an inappropriate fine and just down right BULL-SHIITE.

Next time, get your facts in order, listen to non-biased experts and go look at the video. The league is wishy-washy at best. They need to release non-game videos, game type scenarios where they have players or ex-players demonstrating proper technique. Too much gray, not enough clarity around what constitutes appropriate vs inappropriate hits. Or, as I’ve simply suggested:

Helmet to Helmet – FINE

Helmet to Helment with “clear intent” to hit with the head – FINE AND SUSPEND

It’s pretty clear when a player tries to “spear” another player with the top of their helmet. For the Brees and Fitzpatrick hits, Harrison did neither. They were both text book hits. He’s being targeted, plain and simple.

God-ell and Anderson – You both SUK donkey doo. Florio – You are close to joining them.

Haven’t you all learned by now Deb isn’t playing with a full deck.
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I don’t entirely agree but this made me laugh!!!

Just guessing, but I suspect my knowledge of domestic abuse is a little more thorough than yours. As I’ve said, I’m tired of playing games with boys. I haven’t excused ANY form of domestic abuse, but slaps and punches are different forms of violence, just as punches and gunshots are different forms of violence. Sorry if that’s over your head.

Don’t recall making a racist reference to you specifically, but since I rarely use it, there must have been a reason. Have used it with someone who says Harrison’s only good for bagging groceries. Funny, but I never hear those comments about Brady or Manning or any other caucasian players no matter how annoyed commenters get with them. And I do believe the constant “thug” references have racial undertones because, again, those references are never used with caucasian players. Sorry, but racism is a factor in our society whether or not we choose to acknowledge it. And it’s not necessarily a conscious thing.

@spellmethis …

You asked for a logical explanation, and I provided it. Nice to read your rational counterargument. Impressive.

Right now, the most disturbing thing on this thread is the post from

6isgr8lamehaters

respecting your comments and thanking you for your honesty.

Being new to PFT, this individual has no idea that he’s dealing with a completely irrational and obsessed Steeler hater who dogs our threads continually, accusing us of buying Super Bowls. He actually thinks you are capable of sincerety. God bless him. Your comments about me regarding the Roethlisberger case are LIES stemming from bitterness over my repeated contradiction of your Area 51 conspiracy theories.

As I posted throughout the summer, I’m a journalist who has covered many legal cases, and my brother and sister-in-law are criminal defense attorneys. The presumption of innocence is bedrock to me, no matter WHO is involved. That’s why even though I’m an Alabama diehard who hates Auburn, I’ve persistently posted the same defense of Cam Newton that I posted of Ben Roethlisberger–innocent until someone produces evidence to the contrary.

I thoroughly investigated–because it’s what I do for a living–the Nevada accusation against Ben. And since the evidence there clearly points to his innocence, yes, I doubted the veracity of the new claim. It’s difficult to imagine that a man innocent of one rape accusation would suddenly go out and rape someone else. But I most certainly did not jump to his defense five minutes after the accusation. I repeatedly posted that we would have to presume him innocent but wait until the evidence was in.

I researched the case, reading every witness statement, police document, report, and even discussing the case with attorneys and other specialists, including researching the DNA testing involved. My conclusions are exactly in line with the prosecutor’s–whose 71-minute summation I’ve listened to multiple times to make sure I made note of every detail.

I took that kind of time because I’m a rape survivor and have spent YEARS working with other rape victims and needed to be certain in my own mind and heart that our team was not harboring a rapist. YOU KNOW EVERY BIT OF THIS. You’re just taking this opportunity to pour salt in old wounds because the newbies don’t and might buy your BS until they learn better. Considering the really monstrous rape-related stuff posted at me by the lynch mob because I kept sticking to the case facts and how long it took for all that to die down, it took a special kind of evil for you to post those lies about me today. You are one very sick puppy. Do not ever address me again.

I respect your admission and realistic stance on the Harrison fines … probably being targeted and yes probably being fined for hits that shouldn’t be flagged nor fined.

However, I completely disagree with you that the NFL front office is being completely transparent about their motives. The wonderful world of business, including the NFL, is all about the almighty dollar. Roger God-dell and Ray Anderson are both trying to change the game forever to soften the physical nature of football, extend the season and for what reason? They want to make more money and they want to convince other countries to jump in to a less violent, more offensive / less defensive sport.

As fans, we all need to unite at some point and indicate that the NFL without physical play and the direct neutering of strong defense, is not the NFL we will support.

I would suggest the following:

Helmet to helmet – FINED
Intentional helmet to helmet – FINED AND SUSPENDED

Harrison’s hits on Brees and Fitzpatrick were legitimate. Please listen to Mike and Mike, Trent Dilfer and other non-Steeler loving / non-biased experts who all believe the league is taking this too far.

The easiest thing for God-ell and his cronies to do is target Harrison. You’ve indirectly admitted it, now the league should also.

Thanks for your honesty!

I respect your admission and realistic stance on the Harrison fines … probably being targeted and yes probably being fined for hits that shouldn’t be flagged nor fined.

However, I completely disagree with you that the NFL front office is being completely transparent about their motives. The wonderful world of business, including the NFL, is all about the almighty dollar. Roger God-dell and Ray Anderson are both trying to change the game forever to soften the physical nature of football, extend the season and for what reason? They want to make more money and they want to convince other countries to jump in to a less violent, more offensive / less defensive sport.

As fans, we all need to unite at some point and indicate that the NFL without physical play and the direct neutering of strong defense, is not the NFL we will support.

I would suggest the following:

Helmet to helmet – FINED
Intentional helmet to helmet – FINED AND SUSPENDED

Harrison’s hits on Brees and Fitzpatrick were legitimate. Please listen to Mike and Mike, Trent Dilfer and other non-Steeler loving / biased experts who all believe the league is taking this too far.

The easiest thing for God-ell and his cronies to do is target Harrison. You’ve indirectly admitted it, now the league should also.

Thanks for your honesty!