Brett Favre on future: “I’m done, I’m done”

Vikings quarterback Brett Favre announced his plans to retire on Wednesday for the seventeenth time in his career.

“I’m done, I’m done,” said Favre.  (Vikings everywhere silently nod their head.)

This may seem like a familiar story, but there are key differences to this retirement.   We ignored the news for a few hours, which is progress.  This is the first time in Favre’s career he’s mentioned retirement before a Week Thirteen game against an AFC opponent.

“I remember the same question, the first part of the year, everyone said, ‘Well, ….’ I said, ‘Time will tell,’ but like I said, I’m done,” Favre said via the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  “I’d love to, as I said when I came back I’m here to win a Super Bowl, we had big expecations, it hasn’t gone the way we hoped up to this point, but again, my career speaks for itself. I think it’s been a great career. I don’t know how the remaining games will unfold but that’s it.”

Favre has a touchdown to interception ratio of 22:25 in the game played directly after his previous retirement announcements.

118 responses to “Brett Favre on future: “I’m done, I’m done”

  1. Who cares? He wouldn’t win a starting job if he came back anyways. He wouldn’t start on many teams now. The guy needed to retire last year instead of constantly seeking the spotlight. Who cares!! Move on

  2. Brett Favre, Fidel Castro, Al “Coach” Davis. Might have been late but at least two of these guys realized it was time for them to go……Suks to be us Raider-Fan……

  3. for those of you keeping score at home, that is Six “I” and two “we”

    the “we” relate to not meeting expectations, the “I” relate to how good Brett thinks Brett is. (Pictures he took of himself prove it to him.)

    “I’d love to, as I said when I came back I’m here to win a Super Bowl, we had big expecations, it hasn’t gone the way we hoped up to this point, but again, my career speaks for itself. I think it’s been a great career. I don’t know how the remaining games will unfold but that’s it.”

    Cue the quote for next game where he tells you he is a quadruple amputee, but will tough it out, “Because that Is what I expect from Me.”

  4. @seahawkhuskyfan

    Hindsight it 20/20. But it’s funny that you should mention that he wouldn’t be able to start on my teams considering he would start for your team for the next 5 years if he wanted to.

  5. i would have to think after this season, he will walk away, because if he plays next year, he will have to wheel away.

  6. It is time, age has caught up with him. But I do believe he still has skills. The team around him has declined as well. No Offense Line, No receivers, defense is average or below…coach was not all that motivational…

    Brett has had a great career and let the team who believed in him down, but it works both ways too…

    The dream season should have been the swan song, but yet, when they come to get you and give you $20 million I would have done the same.

    5 years from now when he goes into the Hall of Fame as a Packer, nobody will really remember. Just like Montana…You have to really remember that he played for the Chiefs after the 49ers…

    Thanks for the memories Brett. This time I really, really do believe you.

  7. We stuck a fork in his old arse weeks ago ….

    The Legacy Faaaaaaaaaaades with each passing excuse, errrr, week.

  8. Short of a Y.A. Tittle bludgeoning, he nevertheless ends his career a loser.

    Karma is a bitch.

    Now comes Deanna!

    Giggity.

  9. Leave now, donate the remaining 5 million on your contract to kids who can’t afford college. Do something positive for other people besides whats good for Bret Favre.

  10. No one believes the serial LIAR. He’s the little grandpa who cried wolf too many times. His body may say no now, but come late summer next year, the media whore in him will start screaming for attention, and the rumors will start flying again.

    Now that he’s 2-2 against his predecessor, Aaron Rodgers, he doesn’t want to have a losing record against the younger teammate he snubbed and refused to talk to.

  11. They only lost 7 games they have a outside shot of making the playoffs, if they win out and cetain teams lose…
    I hate farve but I like to watch him in the playoffs.
    Its awsome to see him choke…
    The best qbs to watch choke are the following:
    1 Tom Brady
    2 Phillip Rivers
    3 Bret farve
    4. Matt Cassell
    5. Eli Manniing (he looks like a 11 year old that didnt get what he wanted at xmas)

  12. Short of a Y.A. Tittle bludgeoning, he nevertheless ends his career a loser.
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    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Was he crying when he issued the statement? I’ll believe it when I DON’T SEE HIM OUT THERE, and not a day before. Good riddance. Speaking of Y.A. Tittle, you remember his worst bludgeoning? 1963 at the hands of the Chicago Bears!

  13. Yippie. Now we get hundreds of Favre-is-retiring stories followed up with hundreads of “Maybe he is coming back?” stories from the offseason

  14. I dont understand why Minny continues to play him. Look towards next year. You should see what you have in Tavaris. Minny only wins if they hand off to AP. I believe Tavaris can do that….

  15. Its hard to belive him after he went back on his word so many times before. What you fail to account for is the Viking’s desperation. Its not like they have a QB ready to stick in there so when training camp rolls around next year, the Vikings will get nervous and go to BrINT on bended knees (hopefully Chilly left his kneepads in the office) and beg.

    This is especially true if the Vikings win 4 or 5 out of the last six games. BrINT will feel like the magic is back, the Vikings fans who couldn’t recognize a quality QB if Joe Montana walked in the room would fawn all over him, its up to the Viking coaches to convince Ziggy to pay his salary demands again. That’s the best part of this season, its bad enough that BrINT is in the bottom third of all QB ratings and leads the league in INT’s and fumbles, Ziggy is forced to give him a raise he didn’t even ask for to screw up the Vikings season, their 50th Anniversary season. As they say, Skoal Vikings!

  16. If there’s no lockout, Favre needs to return in 2011. He’s still got the best arm in the game, it’s just a shame he’s had to play behind one of the poorest pass-blocking units in the NFL the last few years.

    The pass to Percy against the Bears is a prime example of what the man can do when his receivers get open and he gets time to step up in the pocket.

    The only thing he can’t do well enough is scramble. But, scrambling QB’s are not necessarily something you really shoot for as your starting NFL QB because if they’re not hurt, they’re soon figured out, just like Vick – and then what are you left with?

    Common sense, guys.

  17. grpatriot says:
    Dec 1, 2010 8:34 PM
    Can we get a retirement pledge in writing?

    —Why would that matter? He already went back on that the first time he retired. In any case, I think I believe him this time. It’s time. I’ve enjoyed watching him over the last few years though. Just doesn’t seem into it this year.

  18. Lost all the magic and influence in the locker room when players no longer viewed him as the wise old man, and started seeing him as the dirty old man. Too bad. We all make mistakes, but some are just bigger than others. And that was a doozey.

  19. All of the PFT-nation silently nods their heads as well…..

    Suuuuuuuure Brett, until you realize that people don’t care about you anymore then you will be calling the Cardinals…. 🙂

  20. So we almost win the NFC championship last year. Farve plays a great game, yet Pederson fumbles on the 3 yd line. Harvin fumbles and give the Saints the ball on our own 10 yd line. We practically give the saints the sb. But now its all bretts fault this year. Our o line is the worst in the league. Forget the fact we lost Rice. I wonder how Brady or manning would do with our o line?

    Wake up, this isn’t favres fault. Any qb would suck with our o line. And chilly was a total fool. If you think this is just a case of replacing our qb you are sadly mistaken. Swap favre for Brady and you just have a different qb getting sacked 5 times a game

  21. nflwatcher “Leave now, donate the remaining 5 million on your contract to kids who can’t afford college. Do something positive for other people besides whats good for Bret Favre.”

    Maybe Tomlin can hook him up with Harrison’s kids so they won’t have to worry about how they will be paying for their college.

  22. No player in the last 20 years has brought more excitement or enjoyed playing the game of football more than Brett Farve. This year hasn’t been kind to him, but he leaves a Hall of Fame legacy, and made the sport a lot more fun to watch.

  23. Does anybody really give a rats ass?. I mean c’mon man. The guy looks like he’s 60 years old. I hope all that money helps him get out of bed in the morning when he really is 60.

  24. Reading these posts is like being at a convention of spoiled brats. Favre was paid to play football and he played his heart out for 20 years. He didn’t owe fans anything more than that–and that’s a lot more than they get from most players. My lasting memory will be of all you brats running him into the dirt, then turning around and bragging that your weewee is bigger … like it would make you special to have a bigger weewee than Brett. Sad.

  25. rickyd123 says:
    Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM
    So we almost win the NFC championship last year. Farve plays a great game, yet Pederson fumbles on the 3 yd line. Harvin fumbles and give the Saints the ball on our own 10 yd line. We practically give the saints the sb. But now its all bretts fault this year. Our o line is the worst in the league. Forget the fact we lost Rice. I wonder how Brady or manning would do with our o line?

    Wake up, this isn’t favres fault. Any qb would suck with our o line. And chilly was a total fool. If you think this is just a case of replacing our qb you are sadly mistaken. Swap favre for Brady and you just have a different qb getting sacked 5 times a game,
    =================================
    I am NOT a Vikings fan by any means (GB), but you are dead on. There’s more problems in Viking land, but Brett is a Football Player. Some of the fools he teams with are just plain pathetic. 98% of football players today are just in it to milk the money and be on the highlite reel. Brett finds it real difficult to quite, because he loves the game so much. If no one would have went to MS to get him, he wouldn’t be playing today. $20M helped, but I believe he sat back and wanted to know how much he was WANTED. We know the story. When you fans are winning, everything is yeahhhhhhh, but when you start losing, the finger game starts faster than woodpecker pecks. You won’t many true FB players today, because it’s an ‘I’ game. Team has become Tee I AM ! Brett’s far from a perfect person, as we have seen, but he still has passion for the game. Back off!

  26. Now that Favre has made it ‘offical’ once again, why not let someone else QB the rest of the year. Time to move on without Lord Favre. He is going to have a very bad time in retirement and I think he knows it…maybe some tapes of a cheering and doting crowd blaring at his bedside at night will help him as he dreams of the 20 mil.

  27. tprt2 says:
    If there’s no lockout, Favre needs to return in 2011. He’s still got the best arm in the game
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    This is as good an argument against crack as you’ll ever find.

  28. Deb says:
    Dec 1, 2010 10:49 PM
    Reading these posts is like being at a convention of spoiled brats. Favre was paid to play football and he played his heart out for 20 years. He didn’t owe fans anything more than that–and that’s a lot more than they get from most players. My lasting memory will be of all you brats running him into the dirt, then turning around and bragging that your weewee is bigger … like it would make you special to have a bigger weewee than Brett. Sad.
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    But he’s not merely a football player- he’s a public figure and a celebrity, and he’s made numerous $$$ in endorsements and pitching products as his PR and marketing agents market him to the public. So as every fan can shower him with love and adulation previously for his play and persona, the same rings true when it’s going bad. He’s fair game, and he put himself in this position with his decisions.

  29. I guess there are two positive aspects to Minnesota’s season. The Vikings have a better coach and the great one has finally realized he’s been too long at the fair.

    Fire Goodell.

  30. It’s kind of funny, but do you know what I see? A few weeks ago, stories about Favre were met with hate. People HATED him. Now, it’s like everyone is seeing Muhammed Ali lighting the Olympic torch in him. Knowing that he was once the greatest at what he does, and seeing him now, fills these same people with a kind of pity and sadness. I think at this point we all wish that he hadn’t come back this season. Love him or hate him, those feelings are still better than what we feel for him now.

  31. It’s only because his sorry excuse for a spineless coach that let him stay out until the first game has now been fired.

    He can’t pull that sh*t anymore and get away with it.

  32. Like him or not, you have to respect what he’s done. I agree he should have retired sooner and he could have handled his retirments better, but come on . . . he was one of the best until the last couple of years . . . stop bashing and give him his due

  33. “Its not like they have a QB ready to stick in there

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    The Vikings will draft a QB…Joe Flacco was 18th overall in 08….Josh Freeman was 17th overall in 09….Colt McCoy was 85th in 10…all seem to be able to step and play well, especially when they didnt have to be the focus of the offensive…upgrade the oline and vikes will be in the mix again in 2011.

  34. Favre deserves to leave the game in the humiliating manner in which he (apparently) is. He orchestrated his way out of Green Bay by playing Packer management for fools….three straight years…in the hope it would provide him with an unconditional release. He chose the Vikings over his own teammates as the best opportunity to win a SuperBowl. The only problem for him was that it took an extra year…and then only because he duped the Jets into giving him the release he sought from the Packers. The instant-gratification he provided to the Vikings fans last year was synonymous with the false-hope desperation in which that team decided to go all-in. It all failed wonderfully. Add to that the unemployable state he placed Sterger in for his unsolicited “advances” leaves us wondering just how humiliating it will all be in the end. He deserves every kick in the nuts he gets.

  35. This just might prove the existence of God.

    Opps, never mind! If there is a God, Lord FavRay wouldn’t have been playing the last 5 yrs or so.

  36. rickyd123 says:
    Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM

    Wake up, this isn’t favres fault. Any qb would suck with our o line. And chilly was a total fool. If you think this is just a case of replacing our qb you are sadly mistaken. Swap favre for Brady and you just have a different qb getting sacked 5 times a game

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    There are not many dominant o-lines. Rodgers got sacked, what 60 times last year? He got them to 11-5 making plays with his feet. Brady and Maning get the ball out fast. Favre can no longer move. Besides, did Favre get sacked at all last week? It’s play-calling, too. The Vikes’ strength is not Brett Favre. It’s Adrian Peterson. And Favre refused to play a la Elway in 1997-98 and simply let his back be a workhorse. The way Vikes won last week is the way they should have been playing the past two years. But you can’t tell Favre what to do. He’s the smartest guy in the room. Ask him. He’ll tell you as much.

  37. I’ll believe it when a year from now he stays retired. I’ve been through these soap opera dramatics too many times to take him at his word. If in Septmenber 2011 he stays down on his farm, I’ll be convinced. Until then, I’m going to take his statement with a large grain of salt. Enough said. Now, let’s go play some football.

  38. Florio, don’t tell us what Vikings fans are doing, i.e “nodding their heads”. You are not a Vikings fan. In fact, what you say is usually the exact opposite of what’s really happening. I want Favre back. He had a sensational season last year. This year everything went wrong…but most of it was the idiot coach. I’m definitely willing to give Favre one more chance. All the Favre hatred is just a sign of jealousy. We need to get a QB of the future, but Favre is still waaay better than T-Joke.

  39. Lest we forget the fact Favre got two coaches fired because of his on-field decisions.

    The Jets were 8-3 and were a lock for a WC birth. But Favre would not have his streak snapped for an “alleged” elbow problem as he threw INT after INT down the stretch when simply managing the game and playing to the Jets’ strength (running the ball) would have been enough to earn a playoff spot.

    Mangini was the fall guy for the collapse.

    And now Childress, who led Vikes to 10-6 and playoffs pre-Favre, gets the ax in large part because Favre walked all over him from Day One (see Mike Sherman) when Childress LEFT PRACTICE TO DRIVE TO AIRPORT TO GET FAVRE.

    That is simply unbelievable. Favre was in control from that moment on.

    And Chilly was neutered.

  40. Favre way better than TJack?

    I don’t know how TJack could have been any worse than Favre against Green Bay two weeks ago.

    Favre couldn’t hit a barn in that game.

  41. If Coach Chilly is going down in history as the guy who finally got Favre to retire, we must suddenly revise his legacy upward, ever upward, and enshrine Mr Brad Childress somewhere special.

  42. Hits must be low this week. Without Favre the league is nothing. Face it….it is Brett’s world, we all just live in it.

    Here is my prediction (because everyone has to respond to a Brett Favre thread): Brett actually does retire. The owners and players both know that without Brett there really is no NFL so they will cancel next season. They will call it a “lockout” or a “work stoppage” but we all know the real reason. A-holes like PFT, Peter King and every other “media whore” will have nothing to talk about without Brett around, may as well have at least a one year mourning period!

  43. 1.) Skipped training camp and therefore didn’t get timing down with active starting receivers.
    2.) Has continued to make bad decisions and cause his team to lose.
    3.) Wasn’t “sure” he wanted to even be playing football this year to begin with.
    4.) Has complained of “injuries” that the team should bench him for were it true the team would have to bench him for yet continued to start and throw interceptions.
    5.) Has undermined his coach who got an extension earlier this year and gotten him fired.
    6.) Has laughed on the sidelines while losing(according to John Gruden, Florio, and the rest of the media this is a cardinal sin!)
    7.) Has announced that he’s through with football and he “don’t know how the remaining games will go” which can be read “Anything else I do this season will be all about me and my stats, the team can go to hell!”

    WHY IS THIS GUY STILL THE STARTER???

    If TJ is so horrible why not list AP as the QB and just snap the ball to him for the rest of the season???

    PS. If Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, or T.O. did one of the 7 things I listed the media would be out for blood. But, I can guarantee the Favre love fest starts on ESPN and NFL network today…

  44. He had a brilliant season in 2009. He was just a play or two away from the Super Bowl. Too bad he didn’t hang up his hat then.

    He has a lot of haters due to his retirement antics. But regardless, he has been one great QB.

  45. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says:
    Dec 2, 2010 8:42 AM
    I want Favre back. He had a sensational season last year. This year everything went wrong…but most of it was the idiot coach. I’m definitely willing to give Favre one more chance.
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    Delusion…..thy name is Captain Marvel.

  46. Wow, the Favre apologists are in full force on this one! I call this “magical” season Karma. The Vikings reap what they sow. Last years powder puff schedule hid a lot of the problems with this team starting with good, old #4. In a sense, little Brent really was a true Packer to the end. He has single handedly destroyed a franchise for years to come with his selfishness. I’m sure A.P. is still deliriously happy that Brent came back and stole some of the money that he so richly deserves. Since the Pack destroyed you at the hallowed “Mall of America” (Ha, what a bunch of pansies) dome by 31 points, his legacy is now secure with Vikings fans. The most fair weather fans in the world. Well, you’ll be in nicer weather all year soon enoug in L.A. Sweet, sweet Karma.

  47. yeah thats it….dog pile favre. you morons cling to the interceptions and retirement antics and thats it.

    just so its understood who are any of you to tell a player its time to hang it up? that player is the only one who knows when its time and heaven forbid favre to change his mind. like you stupid tools out there didn’t change your mind at the last second on a big decision.

    nevermind that cause its lame that you hang your anti-favre argument on that but look at his career…..he’ll end up top ten in every qb category and yet y’all still say he sucks?

    its quite possible you wouldn’t know a hall of famer if you got your ass whipped by one and its very possible that favre has whipped your team’s ass and thats why you hate him.

  48. and lets be clear….there is a ton of hate for favre for retiring and unretiring because thats soooooooooo terrible and yet vick tortured and killed dogs, ray lewis most likely killed someone and got away with it, donte stallworth drove drunk and killed someone, roethlisberger (thats really all you have to say there) but the person that grinds your gears in favre? pathetic.

  49. tprt2 says:
    If there’s no lockout, Favre needs to return in 2011. He’s still got the best arm in the game
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    Dude,

    The first rule of drug dealers is don’t get high on your own supply…

  50. kscogg says: Dec 2, 2010 11:46 AM

    yeah thats it….dog pile favre. you morons cling to the interceptions and retirement antics and thats it.

    just so its understood who are any of you to tell a player its time to hang it up? that player is the only one who knows when its time and heaven forbid favre to change his mind. like you stupid tools out there didn’t change your mind at the last second on a big decision.

    —————–
    I can’t speak for anyone but me and I am a Cowgirls’ fan…

    I had always respected BF for his passion and I admire his accomplishments but he has acted like a teenage girl the past few years with the flip-flopping.

    Your points are well made but I think this year – both on and off the field – has proven that he should have retired already…

  51. @4sacroc …

    Geez, are you obsessed! Your screen name and a dozen or more posts. It sounds like Favre is the center of your existence. LOL

  52. @frank …

    Your point’s well-taken, but other than some poor decisions on when and where to throw the ball, the only really bad decision involved chatting up the nude model. And whether it’s a politician or a football player, those things are none of my business or anyone else’s outside the guy’s family.

    Waffling on retirement isn’t unique to Favre. A lot of people have trouble walking away from things they’re passionate about. Have struggled with that myself in life. NFL Network just aired a fantastic bio on Parcells that provided more insight into his waffling on retirement. One minute he really wants to walk away … five minutes later, he’s desperate to coach again. It’s just hard for some people to let go, and I don’t think that makes them bad people. It’s not for us to judge why they’re hanging on because we don’t know what’s in their hearts and minds.

    Look what Favre accomplished last year–it’s not like the guy can no longer play. They flew down, threw millions at him, and begged him to come back. Can any of us honestly say we’d have turned that down? And anyone who thinks that team’s meltdown is all Favre doesn’t know spit about football.

    A lot of people are mouthing off here when they have absolutely no idea what it is to be in that guy’s shoes. And 99 percent of these clowns couldn’t have taken one game of the hits he’s had, let alone 20 years.

    And packrulzm, telling the truth isn’t being an “apologist”–except in the small minds of haters who are bitter because the guy left their team. Doesn’t matter to me either way. I’m a Steelers fan.

  53. Deb says:
    Dec 2, 2010 1:50 PM
    Doesn’t matter to me either way. I’m a Steelers fan.
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    Are you a Roethlisberger fan?

  54. @Deb

    Did you actually read some of the posts before mine? I read that the OL was horrible, but somehow Rodgers was not given any sort of a pass last year when my teams line gave up 60+ sacks. Rice being gone was also an excuse etc. The truth is he does not have it anymore. I thought he was great for half the time in GB and average at best the rest of the way. I was one fan that did not want him back after his first retirement spectacle. Did I LOVE watching my team humiliate him? Hell yeah! You reap waht you sow and he deserves everything he’s getting this year. I am not bitter, I’m happy with my team. Are you happy with yours? Now you’ll give me the Goodell is picking on my team bull, right?

  55. stellarperformance says:

    Are you a Roethlisberger fan?
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    As my team’s QB, of course. As an individual player, I’d say he’s one of the 6 or 7 best QBs in the league. He’s an exceptional raw talent, but I’ve been frustrated by his poor work ethic. As I said about Brett, players’ personal lives are their business; there aren’t any angels in the league (or its corporate offices). But the evidence in Nevada and Georgia exonerated him of the rape accusations, which would have been a deal-breaker. I supported his suspension only because he was engaged in high-risk behavior that was a danger to himself and needed a kick in the pants. Hope it improves his work ethic.

    But fanwise, my heart belongs to our defenses. Throughout my years with the Steelers, those have been my favorite players and the only jerseys I buy.

  56. @packrulzm …

    Honestly, I can’t address what you said about Rodgers and the Pack last season because I wasn’t paying attention. But since I have been paying attention to the Vikes, I know it’s true that a lot went wrong with the Vikes this year other than Favre. Brett has a bad habit of pointing out all his nicks and bruises in a way that seems he’s making excuses for poor play. I’d call that “apologist.” But when you tell the truth–and it’s true that he started the season with poor protection and no receivers–I just don’t think that’s apologist.

    Am I happy with my team? In one sense, yes. I’m always happy with my teams (the Steelers and Alabama) win or lose. For me, they’re like family–love them as much (or more) on bad days as good days. In one sense, no. I always see what’s broken. We’ve had o-line problems for years, and they’re worse now with two starters on IR. We’ve had secondary problems for a couple of years. We’ve had some improvement on the line and in the secondary but not quite enough. I’d be happier if we were healthier.

    As for the Harrison situation, I believe that’s a league issue and would be happy if all the teams who love defensive play would stop thinking of it as a Steelers issue. Harrison made himself the target with his comments. If he hadn’t, Goodell would have found another prominent player like Ray Lewis. I don’t believe officials are conspiring against us–they’re just watching us like a hawk and erring on the side of penalizing because they know the league is scrutinizing. Goodell is fining, in some cases, legal hits because he’s trying to intimidate all defenses into easing up.

    Several owners and execs–including Bill Polian last weekend–have said that we will go to an 18-game season but it will necessitate changing the way the game is played. They only want to increase the roster by one man. They’re trying to minimize wear and tear on the players without increasing personnel costs. It’s easier to get the point across by hypertargeting one prominent guy–while continuing to fine others. I call it the Cool Hand Luke strategy. Think about it. How long before defenders start thinking “Better pull up–don’t want to wind up like Harrison”?

  57. tprt2 says:
    Dec 1, 2010 8:40 PM
    If there’s no lockout, Favre needs to return in 2011. He’s still got the best arm in the game, it’s just a shame he’s had to play behind one of the poorest pass-blocking units in the NFL the last few years.

    The pass to Percy against the Bears is a prime example of what the man can do when his receivers get open and he gets time to step up in the pocket.

    The only thing he can’t do well enough is scramble. But, scrambling QB’s are not necessarily something you really shoot for as your starting NFL QB because if they’re not hurt, they’re soon figured out, just like Vick – and then what are you left with?

    Common sense, guys.
    ___________________________________

    Oh please–that’s an example of what a 10 year old Pop Warner player (or even worse, say, Derek Anderson) can do when there’s a coverage breakdown/miscommunication in the secondary.

    Rice was so open on that play my Grandmother could’ve made the pass–and she (while younger than Favre) is dead.

  58. rickyd123 says:
    Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM

    Wake up, this isn’t favres fault. Any qb would suck with our o line. And chilly was a total fool. If you think this is just a case of replacing our qb you are sadly mistaken. Swap favre for Brady and you just have a different qb getting sacked 5 times a game
    _______________________________

    You’re kidding, right? Queef fans spend the entire offseason crowing about their o-line (and QB, and defense, and running game, and blah blah)…

    It’s certainly better (on paper anyway) than the Bears’ or Packers’ o-lines, and yet both those QBs are outplaying Bratt by a long shot…

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    frank booth says: Dec 2, 2010 12:16 AM

    Deb says:
    Dec 1, 2010 10:49 PM
    Reading these posts is like being at a convention of spoiled brats. Favre was paid to play football and he played his heart out for 20 years. He didn’t owe fans anything more than that–and that’s a lot more than they get from most players. My lasting memory will be of all you brats running him into the dirt, then turning around and bragging that your weewee is bigger … like it would make you special to have a bigger weewee than Brett. Sad.
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    But he’s not merely a football player- he’s a public figure and a celebrity, and he’s made numerous $$$ in endorsements and pitching products as his PR and marketing agents market him to the public. So as every fan can shower him with love and adulation previously for his play and persona, the same rings true when it’s going bad. He’s fair game, and he put himself in this position with his decisions.
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    Well said Booth, I’m not sure why she has such a crush on scum bags like Ben and Brett, she may defend Ray Lewis and OJ next….

    @Deb
    Why is she only a nude model to you? You rip on people who only refer to Ben as Rapelesberger but you can sit here and refer to the girl by “nude model” Has she done nothing else in her life and does she really deserve to be called only that? And if you think this is the first womanizing Brett has done you are far wrong, read his wife’s most recent book, or talk to anyone who lives in the Green Bay area.

  60. Say what you want about Favre, but show me another quarterback who could throw 6 int’s in a playoff game and get no blame for the loss.

  61. There is not a one of you that could make a pimple on Farves rearend. Best and toughest man to walk on the field. He could play for any NFL team except the packers, with there front line he would get killed. I suppose they could play TTAARvarrious

  62. @majik??? …

    I am offended by the “rapist” names because the Nevada woman texted she wanted to see Ben again and the Georgia woman’s medical exam showed no intercourse occurred. So he is not a rapist and shouldn’t be damned by false accusations that undermine the suffering of real victims.

    Jenn Sterger chose to be a nude model, and from her quotes, she is proud of her work. If that offends you, take it up with her. If I were referring to Jenna Jameson, I’d call her a porn star. I don’t know what else they’ve done in their lives but that’s how they achieved fame, just as Roethlisberger achieved fame as a football player, not a “rapistberger.”

    Frankly, I don’t understand what you find confusing about me saying that players’ private lives are none of my business–or yours. My interest in Favre and Roethlisberger is limited to football. Brett’s infidelities are between him and his wife; Ben’s hookups are his own affair. We’ve all made our share of personal mistakes. God will judge us. None of us is so spotless we can judge one another.

    Ray Lewis is an extraordinary football player. I’d hoped he’d mentor Ben through this ordeal and am very grateful he’s come through. You have not walked his life path and do not know the pressures that were on him as a young man starting out in the league. He kept bad company and made some bad choices. The way he’s turned his life around is admirable. There’s no evidence he murdered anyone.

    O.J. Simpson deserves to be remembered as one of the finest college and pro backs ever to play the game. If he’s removed from the Hall of Fame for what occurred in his life 15 years after his retirement, it’s time for the league to cease operations. He’s the perfect lesson in how fame, money, and drugs can completely corrupt the human spirit. Instead of hiding him, they should share his story with every incoming rookie.

    Anything else?

  63. LOL….I knew only you could defend Ray Lewis and OJ…..

    How come feminists always rip on the pretty girls???? You probably stick up for Hitlery and rip on Palin too….

  64. @majik …

    You have an odd perspective that seems tied to conclusion-jumping and poor reading comprehension.

    I’m not a typical feminist–or a typical anything–and have no need to rip pretty women. Nor can you name any pretty women that I’ve ripped. I don’t like Jenn Sterger, not because she’s attractive but because she’s an extortionist masquerading as a victim. Women who pretend to be victims offend me because they diminish real victims. She told people she saved those tapes “for laughs”–meaning she did not feel victimized. Either she released them or carelessly let them out of her control, then expected others to compensate her for the fallout. That’s comparable to me dropping a dozen eggs then demanding the dairy to compensate me for the mess I made. Sorry, but I don’t suffer fools gladly regardless of their gender or appearance.

    Ray Lewis’s legal issues had nothing to do with women, pretty or otherwise. And when I said O.J. is the perfect lesson in how fame, money, and drugs corrupts the human spirit, thought it was clear I meant the evidence shows he deteriorated into a real-life Mr. Hyde–a monster with no conscience who abused, harassed, and finally slaughtered his wife, along with an innocent bystander. What does that have to do with me criticizing a pretty woman?

    If you think me calling Jenna Jameson a porn star is ripping her, you don’t know much about Jenna Jameson. She’s very forthright about her career and that’s how she refers to herself.

    So other than Jenn Sterger, what pretty women have I ripped on?

    Waiting.

  65. Ms. Deb,

    It’s laughable you think you know the entire situation for Sterger, none of us do. Her ex friends are now reliable sources but her opinion isn’t valid? If you were Favre who what would be smarter for him to do, pay her off which would be obvious, or hold strong and pay off a ex friend to bad mouth her? Not saying that is the case I’m just saying if I was in his shoes it would be a more viable option to protect an image. And maybe she was careless, but did she ever grab the mic and make a public statement about it? Not that I saw, would have made it easy to get attention or money one would think, but will make it tougher for her career.

    If you are comparing a porn star to a model, television personality, and former online columnist for Sports Illustrated, as well as doing 2 movies coming out sometime next year solely as a nude model then I think you have the odd perspective!

    Maybe we can agree to disagree. Not saying you have ripped on other girls, but you do come across as a lib feminist who is constantly blaming your gender on the reason you are getting picked on, on here, so I took a stab at why you seem to rip on Sterger and not care that a former “role model” seems to be above everything including marriage. Why shouldn’t he get heat for this/ If you only want to talk about his football play, let’s talk about him as arguably the worst QB in the league this year on arguably the most talented team! You defend his play too because he’s 41, which is irrelevent because he’s out there playing when he clearly should not be!

  66. majikbullet says: Dec 3, 2010 12:19 AM

    Ms. Deb,

    It’s laughable you think you know the entire situation for Sterger, none of us do.
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    majik…I couldn’t agree with you more. This chick has a thing for “bad boy” athletes, which is not uncommon. Every “bad boy” athlete she has ever described has had “issues to get through,” or “must have had traumatic experiences to deal with,” or “was left with no other alternatives,” or, “it’s personal and none of our business,” etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. Personally, I can’t separate a bad person from a good athlete. I don’t care who they are. I deal with enough bad people in everyday life and I’m certainly not inclined to cut a professional athlete any slack, especially someone with the assets and resources to avoid letting their selfish self-indulgent crap trickle down on people that happen to get in their way.

  67. Deb says: Dec 2, 2010 7:57 PM

    O.J. Simpson deserves to be remembered as one of the finest college and pro backs ever to play the game. If he’s removed from the Hall of Fame for what occurred in his life 15 years after his retirement, it’s time for the league to cease operations.

    Anything else?
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    Really? It’s really that simple for you? Anything else?….Yes, there is. Please STFU.

  68. As easy as it is to take endless shots at him now, if you were in the vikings shoes back in august, how could you not have let him take one more crack at it after ’09 season? everyone knew it could be really good (again) or really bad (now), but maybe the hope was, something in between. he’s got twenty quarters of football left. as simply a fan of the nfl, here’s hoping he finishes strong and gets a well-deserved ovation walking off the field in Detroit.

  69. its quite possible you wouldn’t know a hall of famer if you got your ass whipped by one and its very possible that favre has whipped your team’s ass and thats why you hate him.
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    Actually, Favre has beaten every team in the league. No other QB has.

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    And when I said O.J. is the perfect lesson in how fame, money, and drugs corrupts the human spirit, thought it was clear I meant the evidence shows he deteriorated into a real-life Mr. Hyde–a monster with no conscience who abused, harassed, and finally slaughtered his wife, along with an innocent bystande
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    Come on Ambrose. You’re pulling a Florio on us. You can’t just pull one part of a post to prove your point, although I do need to say that he was found innocent in criminal court Deb. Shouldn’t say he slaughtered any one unless you accept the verdict of a civil court which has a lesser standard.
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    majik–I am beginning to think you are the old majik. Man you’d argue with a sign post & most of the time, like the old majik, you make a good case. This a nice little debate you & Deb have going on. Each one of you bring up good points–you’re right, agree to disagree, just like we did last year.

  70. @footballrulz,

    Unfortunately as others have figured out I am not the old Majik, I am actually kind of a little irked you would say something so offensive 🙂 Didn’t realize I posted enough to be considered a contentious poster, my bad I guess!

    Not sure about last years debate, I was not posting at that time, and I think we both know the old majik was too proud to ever say anything negative on old BrINT!

    And as far as Deb, well I’ll let her posts speak for themselves, others have weighed in on her take as well, I have to agree with them other than the rude acronym at the end.

  71. @majik …

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with regard to Jenn Sterger’s friends or Brett paying them. I don’t read gossip. My comments are based solely on Sterger’s words.

    She was a nude centerfold for Playboy and Maxim, the two top men’s magazines. Most women in nude modeling would consider those pubs the pinnacle. She stated that she now has removed her breast implants because they’ve served their purpose in her career. So she purposely used her body to advance her career. As an attractive woman with a journalism degree, I have an opinion about that. I’m entitled to it and won’t apologize for it. We all make choices in life and Ms. Sterger will have to live with hers.

    She told Deadspin she kept the voice mails “for laughs.” Therefore, she was not a victim. The voice mails were in her possession and could only have gone public if 1) she deliberately released them, or 2) she carelessly lost control of them by e-mailing them to someone else. Her attorney said she has been damaged by the release of the voice mails and deserves to be compensated. Since she and ONLY she is responsible for their release, that’s ridiculous.

    I don’t need to know her life story or Brett Favre’s to know that’s an idiotic argument. REAL harassment victims are threatened, intimidated, forced to work in hostile environments, fear losing their jobs–which they depend on to pay their bills and feed their families. This insults REAL victims. And that disgusts me.

    I never suggest my gender is involved with the insults I get unless a man calls me a slut, wh**e, b***h, c**t, or describes the multiple sex acts that should be performed on me. That does seem gender-specific.

    It’s impossible for me to know your mental definition of a “lib feminist.” I support equal treatment for everyone–male and female. That’s why I said I’m not a traditional feminist. Sometimes feminism seems to go overboard in suggesting women should get special treatment or that they should be the same as men. I just want to be treated fairly, not better, in the eyes of the law. And I like being a woman. I enjoy watching football, but I don’t look or act like a football player.

  72. @Majik …

    You’re right about not being the old Majik. He was capable of doing his own thinking and was far too smart to agree with a juvenile troll like Stellar Performance. Yes, many people–adult, intelligent people–have weighed in on me across PFT/CFT. I’m content with the consensus.

  73. @Deb, I’m not sure about this but everything I’ve read said Deadspin got the “materials” from a third party? Would that not exclude Ms. Sterger? So it seems that is gossip, and not Jenn’s words? Hypocritical?

  74. @stellarperformance …

    Little boy, you don’t like me because I like Brett Favre. And you’ve made that clear in post after post. But your last post was ridiculous–even for you.

    Yes, on the football field, Simpson deserves to be remembered for his accomplishments. But you can’t just pull out that paragraph and omit this one:

    When I said O.J. is the perfect lesson in how fame, money, and drugs corrupts the human spirit, thought it was clear I meant the evidence shows he deteriorated into a real-life Mr. Hyde–a monster with no conscience who abused, harassed, and finally slaughtered his wife, along with an innocent bystander.

    My feelings about the man were made perfectly clear. And yes, the NFL should share his story with incoming rookies because anyone is capable of taking that same dark path.

    So I’m terminally attracted to “bad boys”? ROFL You are hysterical, little boy!! Where did you get your degree? You have no idea what I’m attracted to, but it wouldn’t include football players good or bad.

    Majik, there is a perfect example of how my gender is targeted. Hundreds of men on this board have expressed their opinions on the legal cases of Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger, and Brett Favre. But none of them were accused of being attracted to these guys.

    Gee, I guess the prosecutors were also attracted to Lewis and Roethlisberger because they reached the same conclusions I did. LOL

    You’re a trip, stellarperformance. Sad and pretty stupid … but a trip.

  75. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 2:11 PM

    @Majik …

    You’re right about not being the old Majik. He was capable of doing his own thinking and was far too smart to agree with a juvenile troll like Stellar Performance. Yes, many people–adult, intelligent people–have weighed in on me across PFT/CFT. I’m content with the consensus.
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    Well again you didn’t respond about the point of discussion because I think we all know your once again wrong, just like on all the Steeler thread you are getting made look like a toddler with a keyboard on. As far as intelligent people weighing in on you, that is kind of cutting on yourself isn’t it? Looking at all the threads you are posting on you seem to be made look like a fool again and again, you must be going backwards. I don’t expect someone who hasn’t played football to understand the ins and outs so no worries!

    The fact you made a cut on me and stuck up for a team jumping man with a man crush on one single football player shows something about you as well! And while I don’t know what Stellar always says or know what his thoughts are I agreed with him on one post, looking back he agreed with me, settle down and don’t make yourself look worse than you already are, I’m starting to kind of feel bad for you, you used to seem to hold your own in arguments whether you were right or wrong, not so much anymore. But I’ll give you this, I’m sure you won’t bail like majik did, you are far too obstinate and opinionated for that!

  76. @majik …

    Scroll UP, doofus LOL I posted a long response to you. Then I just tacked on another lil paragraph about stellarperformance after it. ROFL

  77. @Deb

    majikbullet says: Dec 3, 2010 2:17 PM

    @Deb, I’m not sure about this but everything I’ve read said Deadspin got the “materials” from a third party? Would that not exclude Ms. Sterger? So it seems that is gossip, and not Jenn’s words? Hypocritical?
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    doofus? Wow….you are really get bad at this! I’m not sure why, maybe you are in panic mode or are sick of made look bad but you did not answer this post of mine, maybe you should ahve scrolled up…

  78. majik, get a grip. Panic mode? You have lost your mind. I’ve lived through three cancer battles, nearly 30 surgeries, assault, four+ years in a war zone … that’s just for starters. Panicked over a blog? LOL

    When posts go up at nearly the same instant, it’s easy to miss them. That’s what happened here.

    I thought the Deadspin writer originally talked to Sterger and she told him about the tapes she’d kept around “for laughs,” but said she didn’t want to go public with them. If that’s wrong, I apologize. It doesn’t change anything else.

    This poor dead horse has been flayed to the bone, but I’ll try again.

    She got a college degree but rather than pursue a journalism career the old-fashioned way, she had a boob job and became a nude model–by her admission. If she’d felt harassed, she’d have pursued it while in the Jets employ; she didn’t. She kept the tapes, then somehow lost them and it got messy for a lot of completely innocent bystanders–including Deanna, the kids, the Vikes, Brad Childress, and the Jets. Now her lawyer says she should be compensated for her embarrassment and inconvenience? When she’s the one who let the tapes out of her hands? That is like me spilling my coffee and thinking I should sue Maxwell House for the mess.

    I don’t respect her career choices–and wouldn’t if this had played out with John Smith instead of Brett Favre. I don’t respect his personal choices, and knew about his infidelities long before this. But they are between him and his wife, and don’t impact my opinion of his football career.

    Got it?

  79. raidersteve413 says:

    The best qbs to watch choke are the following:
    1 Tom Brady

    Because “choke artist” is exactly what comes to mind when you consider his three rings.

  80. Deb says: Dec 3, 2010 5:20 PM
    I don’t respect his personal choices, and knew about his infidelities long before this. But they are between him and his wife, and don’t impact my opinion of his football career.

    Got it?
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    Wow..you sure clarified that for us. Thanks! I don’t think any of us could have possibly “got it” without your help. You’re the best.

  81. Why, you’re welcome stellarperformance. Since you two kept asking the same question over and over and over, it was obvious you needed some help.

    It’s hypocrisy, majik. A pitiful comeback for someone with nothing else to say. Hey to Tex.

  82. Favre is lying again. He will come back when training camps are done and he will hold the team hostage yet again. If anyone deserves the kind of hit that ends careers, it’s the volume stats bully Favre.

  83. LOL….a spelling error? Wow Deb, you have really lost it, I thought you would again come back with something unrelated to my response just ramblind pointless opinions, but a spelling error is your best now? I now pity you, you are in the same class as pervy! Well as you can see on this thread as well as others, I’m getting support, while you aren’t, is that a clue that OMG you are wrong! Or is your gender making it uncapable of admitting it? Yep, that was one of those horrible gender specific comments you so often post about!

  84. Deb says:

    As my team’s QB, of course. As an individual player, I’d say he’s one of the 6 or 7 best QBs in the league
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    LOL….again I’m not sure what has changed in your life to make you start talking so foolish….

    1. Peyton Manning
    2. Aaron Rodgers(check out a recent piece on bleacherreport about him)
    3. Phillip Rivers
    4. Drew Brees
    5. Michael Vick
    6. Tom Brady
    7.Matt Ryan
    8.Matt Schaub
    9. Matt Cassel
    10. Eli manning
    11.Mark Sanchez
    12. Scott Fitzpatrick
    13. Kyle Orton
    14. Jay Cutler
    15. Joe Flacco
    16. Sam Bradford

    There are others I would take over Ben including retired Kurt Warner but just a healthy start…these aren’t all necessarily in order…

    …waiting….

  85. Hey majikbullet….you know and I know the truth. The truth has never done me wrong. This chick makes stuff up on the fly to suit her agenda and masks her lack of restraint by making excuses for players that also have none. Simply put…Favre has rendered Sterger unemployable by his selfish and self-centered acts that were unsolicited. How she gets compensated for this intrusion in her life…THAT’S THE PART THAT IS NOBODIES BUSINESS, aside from the fact that she deserves everything she can get. Just because a woman wears a short skirt doesn’t mean she is “asking for it.” Deb still doesn’t “get it.”

  86. @stellar,

    Unfortunately I’ve read Deb’s post in the past and she occasionally makes excellent points, why she is acting this way currently is beyond me. She seems to be in a writers slump. I have no problem with her and me disagreeing but her points have been down right feeble at best. This is the same gal who said Tom Brady is better than Manning, I thought only Pats fans were that stupid!

    As far as her perspective on Favre and Sterger I agree with her, Jenn should not be compensated for her actions if some of the things we have heard are true, her holding on to talk to the league makes me wonder, but to give selfish, drama queen Favre a pass is asinine! Again, if she wants to talk about him on the field we can talk about him being arguably the worst QB in the league on arguably the most talented team the past 2 seasons, age is irrelevent since he is on the field! And why a “role model” should not be disciplined is beyond me. If Ben got suspended for not representing the league well, Favre should be disciplined to some extent, whether it be a game or two.

    But I’ll say again, Deb seems to like to rip on her because she used her looks to benefit her career, if you were an attractive female why wouldn’t you? If Deb was an attractive female, which by her own self admission she is(which makes me think…..) it would have benefited her in some way or another whether it was her intent or not, it goes by the same principle and studies that have shown taller men typically will be hired over shorter stature men who are equally or more qualified….looks are an inherent benefit in life no matter the circumstance!

    And stellar, good work, but what is your past with Deb? She seems to try to make you look like you have no merit while she wants to be the Queen Bee on PFT. I’m just curious because she acted like me agreeing with you was equal to some Tool agreeing with a Cryqueen fan. Keep it up!

  87. majikbullet says: Dec 4, 2010 8:17 AM

    @stellar, …good work, but what is your past with Deb? She seems to try to make you look like you have no merit while she wants to be the Queen Bee on PFT.
    —————————————————————–I No past…I just described her to herself a couple of weeks ago and I think it was too close to reality. She’ll stop barking soon.

  88. @ stellar

    I’m in full agreement that if the league felt it necessary to “punish” Big Ben then Favre, if guilty, should not be given a free pass. What I don;t get is how you think Favre has rendered her unemployable. She kept the pics for two years and shared them with friends. She somehow allowed access to them to someone else who sold them to Deadspin. She has to accept some responsibilty–if she had simply hit the delete key none of this happens.

    Personally, I think this is one of the most foolish attempts at extortion I’ve seen in a while. I mean the pictures get released & she gets an attorney. Deanna knows whether it’s him or not, the damage is already done so why pay her now. Favre was well advised to not pay her a penny. It’s between him, Deanna & the league now and for some reason I have a feeling the league is not going to mess with the money man especially since he says he’s retiring.

    @majik–didn’t mean to irk you dude. 😉

  89. Ewwww the stench of self-satisfaction and delusion is thick here.

    In other words, stellarperformance, I told you what a childish ass you were and moved on.

    majik, majik, majik … we both know I’d never have address the first word to the real majik after discovering more than a year ago that he has serious emotional problems. But they’re much much more serious than I realized, aren’t they? First you’re the “real” majik tearing down the entire story you’ve build for yourself and ripping yourself to shreds. Then you’re an imposter who’s taken over majik’s identity and just to make fun of him.

    No one can keep up a ruse forever, majik. Now that we know it’s the “real” you, please leave me out of the twisted head games you’re playing with yourself and everyone else. It’s disturbing, and as I told you more than a year ago, I don’t come to a football blog to deal with your psychotic issues.

  90. So now I’m the original majik deb? After you figured out I wasn’t? I think I know who has the emotional problems….I’ve become very disappointed in your rebuttals…I thought you were better than that….avoiding the point and trying to use whatever wit you think you have…sad…

  91. he will end up signing with the redskins lol after the vikings cut him and the redskins trade mcnabb to move up in the draft for Andrew Luck BOOK IT

  92. warriorking1112 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:38 AM

    he will end up signing with the redskins lol after the vikings cut him and the redskins trade mcnabb to move up in the draft for Andrew Luck BOOK IT

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    As much as I think that Rat and Dan Dan are dolts, I don’t think that even they are stupid enough to sign the Interception King! But I sure would have a good laugh if they did! ha ha ha

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