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League responds to Steelers’ complaints

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After listening to weeks of whining (and, yes, it really is whining) from members of the Steelers organization regarding the league’s imposition of fines on linebacker James Harrison, the NFL finally has responded to the notion that the league office — which previously was believed to have a bias in favor of the Steelers — is out to get them.

I would say that’s misguided and, frankly, completely untrue,” NFL V.P. of football operations Ray Anderson said regarding the allegation that the Steelers are being targeted, according to Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.  “Every team and every player, hopefully, will have the confidence that, if they play within the rules, we won’t have this problem.”
Anderson also made clear the league’s position that enforcement won’t change.

“[W]e expect every player to play within the rules,” Anderson said.  “They’re very clear so players and coaches should know the rules, particularly Rule 12 and its variations.  If they aren’t able to play within the rules, ultimately, they will be sitting and watching games like you and me and watching games from outside the stadiums of their NFL team.

“At the end of day, if they are not willing to make the adjustment, we’re not backing off this because we know how important it is for all concerned.”

As NBC’s Tony Dungy told us earlier in the day, it will take a suspension to truly get the attention of a player and, more importantly, folks like his head coach, who won’t be inclined to compel a change in behavior based only on fines.

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  1. richm2256 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM

    So the Steelers whined, and the league ignored them……. gonna see some major-league pouting from them now!

  2. citizenstrange says: Dec 2, 2010 2:31 PM

    The League responded by making Patriot James Sanders Defensive Player of the Week for his helmet to helmet hit on HInew Ward. What to whine about?

  3. footballisking says: Dec 2, 2010 2:31 PM

    Anderson and Florio are in for a shock this off-season when they realize the amount of backing the Players Union has…Goodell and his friends have proven that they are not capable of running the league and their inconsistencies are beyond hysterical…. there dictatorship will end…then we will see a “froggy Florio” rant on a video clip like we saw yesterday

  4. tkebean says: Dec 2, 2010 2:34 PM

    duh…what do you expect him say?

    “Damn right we are targeting the Steelers. We have to keep them from getting a 7th Super Bowl victory. We are doing everything we can.”

  5. myfinalword says: Dec 2, 2010 2:34 PM

    I partially blame the coach here. He has to take a professional approach to this! Tell Harrison to play right or GTFO! Other guys are managing just fine…

  6. unbreakable02215 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:34 PM

    Dear James, Stop smacking opposing players with your helmet and we’ll stop fining you.

    -The NFL

    ps

    Read your rulebook James

  7. kaninny says: Dec 2, 2010 2:36 PM

    Hey Mike doing some reporting good job. The NFL knows it is under siege and had to say somthing and what did you expect. If they were not concerned they woud have not commented. It was a non denial – denial to steal a line from Ben Bradlee in All The Presidents Men another good conspiracy

  8. roethlisberger says: Dec 2, 2010 2:36 PM

    does anyone have a good alternative site for football news?

    If I wanted to read the story line from the NFL establishment (NFL->NBC->PFT), I guess I’d read their official blog. If they even have one.

  9. steelersmichele says: Dec 2, 2010 2:37 PM

    Anderson said: “They’re very clear so players and coaches should know the rules, particularly Rule 12 and its variations.”

    So if the rules are “clear” there shouldn’t be any variations.

  10. righthereisay says: Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM

    So no references to specifics by the Steelers, Suggs, Urlacher….Just propaganda.

  11. connie75 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM

    This is hilarious considering the steelers have 2 championships in the past 5 years BECAUSE of the refs and have benefited from bad calls by the refs more than any other team by far. Too funny.

  12. profootballwalk says: Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM

    Any suspension should include a game suspension from the post-season. If the Steelers would lose Harrison from their first round playoff game, maybe they’d stop coaching illegal hits.

  13. Slim Charles says: Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM

    It’s funny that a guy who has built a career on whining (PLAYERS GETTING ARRESTED!! UH OH!) can harp on the Steelers with good conscience.

    Florio is an older (not taller) version of that kid in elementary school who would say “OOOOOOHH! YOU’RE IN TROUUUUUUBLEEEE!”

    Harrison : DPOY

  14. cd_ridge says: Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM

    “… particularly Rule 12 and its variations.”

    What exactly are the variations? Could it be that this is precisely what James Harrison is having difficulty with?

  15. shotgunformation5wide says: Dec 2, 2010 2:43 PM

    I was born at night …. NOT last night! Anyway, Florio, suspending a Steeler Linebacker is like taking a drug dealer off the street. There’s just another to take his place.

  16. artiesliver says: Dec 2, 2010 2:46 PM

    The Steelers were gift wrap their last 2 super bowl “victories”.
    Now it’s time to pay the bill.

  17. The James Harrison Foundation says: Dec 2, 2010 2:47 PM

    “I would say that’s misguided and, frankly, completely untrue”

    Well that was convincing. I can sleep easy now knowing exactly why the NFL keeps fining Harrison and that they are not making him the poster boy for an 18 game season…

  18. ineptguy6 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:47 PM

    Gee, totally shocked by this one. In other news, OJ Simpson responding to claims that he is guilty, “I would say that’s misguided and, frankly, completely untrue.”

    Also, other, reports, of, excessive, comma, usage,

  19. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 2:54 PM

    the only whining I hear is comming from those individuals who think the NFL should be more like soccer. “Suspend him for hitting my fantsy player too hard” “fine him for playing football the way it has been played for decades”….whiners indeed. If florio thinks Harrison is a whiner, he should stop writing about it, and tell him that to his face, but I think we all know that will never happen.

  20. japdouds says: Dec 2, 2010 2:54 PM

    Steelers bashing = page hits. It’s really all this site has going for it really.

    Anyone can just link a bunch of actual new articles and spin it with their propaganda like Foolio does.

    Steelers = page hits. Florio knows this, hence 5+ Steeler bashing articles per day.

    Man, he sure is still sore about that beatdown the Steelers put on the Vikings in the SB back in his youth isn’t he?

  21. easyeddie says: Dec 2, 2010 2:55 PM

    Steelers have gotten away w/ murder for years.

  22. basedrum777 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:56 PM

    Any team that gets gifts from the ref’s like that Miami “win” cannot complain about the league being against them….

  23. basedrum777 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:57 PM

    Harrison seems to have a hard enough time comprehending the English language let alone the “variations”…

  24. worsethingss says: Dec 2, 2010 2:57 PM

    So all they have to do is play by the rules? Huh.

  25. bbb82 says: Dec 2, 2010 2:58 PM

    Uh oh, here comes the talk of retirement…

  26. Deb says: Dec 2, 2010 2:59 PM

    Your disrespect to the owner, coach, players, and fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers doesn’t change the facts. The still photos show that Harrison was fined for at least two legal hits. The first of these fines came after V.P. Anderson singled out Harrison as the posterboy for playing within the rules.

    Someone should tell Mr. Anderson that he can’t have it both ways. Mike Tomlin didn’t appreciate the NFL blatantly using James Harrison to hawk their message and called out Anderson specificially. And as some of us predicted, the NFL responded by fining Harrison again that weekend for a legal hit on Brees.

    So Anderson has an ax to grind with the Steelers … doesn’t he? With all due respect for your tremendous accomplishments with this site, you might be willing to delve into this if your background were in journalism. Connecting these dots really isn’t that difficult–especially since the timeline, photos, and footage tell the story.

    Now Anderson is not-so-subtly threatening to suspend Harrison. The league will do whatever it wants. The only hope we have is that Dan Rooney will return and lend his considerable conflict-resolution skills to this issue. But he and the owners who love our game are in the minority now. People like you who want the game to be daintier and more global are in charge. Refresh my memory … you favor the 18-game season, correct? Enough said.

  27. 6isgr8lamehaters says: Dec 2, 2010 3:00 PM

    @ connie75 says:
    Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM
    This is hilarious considering the steelers have 2 championships in the past 5 years BECAUSE of the refs and have benefited from bad calls by the refs more than any other team by far. Too funny.

    ————————————————–

    STFU … go back to your hole and stay there. Neither of the past 2 SBs were handed to the Steelers by the officials. The catch by Santonio was legit … the INT by Harrison was legit..

    GTF over it and again …. from Steeler and non-Steeler fans …. STFU.

  28. gloriousobastardos says: Dec 2, 2010 3:01 PM

    Pitt is whining so they’ll have an excuse when they miss this years’ playoffs.

  29. tmc4real says: Dec 2, 2010 3:04 PM

    Can someone please explain to me how throwing a punch or fighting on the field is less flagrant or offensive than touching a quarterback late?

    To fight, you make a conscious choice on the field, not even a split second decision. Yet, it does not garner a fine as great as some levied to Harrison.

    Maybe Ray Anderson should have stated: “If they make a mistake or bad hit during a play, we will fine you and suspend you. But, we are okay with brawls after the whistle. ”

    The funny thing, this really is building trust with some of the people voting on the CBA. Terrell Suggs stated it appears they are targeting Harrison. When you get the Steelers an Ravens to agree to ANYTHING, you really have done something.

    The NFL executives need to grow some hair on their nuts and let the men play football. If not, I am sure the Lingerie Football League is hiring….of course, they allow big hits. I said HITS.

  30. Jack Burton says: Dec 2, 2010 3:05 PM

    Shocker, who didn’t see that response coming?

  31. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM

    “What exactly are the variations? Could it be that this is precisely what James Harrison is having difficulty with?”

    God, Steeler fans really want to prove themselves to be dim-witted whiners, don’t they.? Let’s take a look at the key part of Rule 12 Unneccesary Roughness (here’s a hint, Unnecessary Roughness is already Section 2, Article 8 of Rule 12). See all those little numbers and letters? See how there are different types of unnecessary roughness? See how there are different types of and times when a player is defenseless? These are “VARIATIONS,” I know, big word, mind-blowing meaning. Read it about 10 times, someday you might get to figure out a seemingly complex but relatively simple rule (whether or not it is subjectively and inconsistently called). However, most of you remain fully clueless about (doesn’t require crown of helmet for example, etc…)

    “Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8 (Unnecessary roughness) in the NFL rulebook

    (f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures, including but not limited to:

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; or

    (2) Lowering the head and violently or unnecessarily making forcible contact with the “hairline” or forehead part of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body; or

    (3) “Launching” (springing forward and upward) into a defenseless player, or otherwise striking him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet or facemask to forcibly strike the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the defenseless player’s neck. (Examples: a defender buries his facemask into a defenseless player’s high chest area, but the defender’s trajectory as he leaps into the defenseless player causes the defender’s helmet to strike the defenseless player violently in the head or face; or a defender, using a face-on posture or with his head slightly lowered, hits a defenseless player in an area below the defenseless player’s neck, then the defender’s head moves upward, resulting in strong contact by the defender’s mask or helmet with the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face [an example is the so-called “dip and rip” technique]).

    Note: The provisions of section (f) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or noncrown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.

    (g) if the initial force of the contact by a defender’s helmet (including facemask), forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless player.

    Note: Defenseless players in (f) and (g) shall include (i) a player in the act of or just after throwing a pass; (ii) a receiver catching or attempting to catch a pass; (iii) a runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped; (iv) a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air; and (v) a player on the ground at the end of a play.

    h) If a receiver has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself, a defensive player is prohibited from launching (springing forward and upward) into him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm to forcibly strike the receiver’s head or neck area—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm is lower than the receiver’s neck.

    Note: Launching is defined as springing forward and upward by a player who leaves his feet to make contact on the receiver.

    (i) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backwards after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the play or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position. During the kick or during the return, if the initial force of the contact by a defender’s helmet (including facemask), forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of the kicker/punter, it is a foul.

    (j) any player who grabs a helmet opening of an opponent and forcibly twists, turns, or pulls his head.

    (k) Illegal contact with the helmet against the knee of the snapper during an attempt for a field goal or kick try.

    Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

    Note: If in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactics, the covering official(s) should always call unnecessary roughness.

  32. bigtmotors08 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:13 PM

    Wow it looks like all the Steelers need a hug from their mommies

  33. zoxitic says: Dec 2, 2010 3:19 PM

    The league didn’t address the education of the Steeler’s children though.

  34. wesleya17 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:26 PM

    I see they want to turn the NFL into the NO FUN HITTING LEAGUE, ON THAT LAST FINE ON THE PITTSBURGH LB was wrong.They can say all they want but if he had pushed the QB down and the QB had hit is head hard on the ground. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AS BAD A HEAD INJURY. So just give the QB’S a safety zone like a no fly zone they used in IRAQ AT ONE TIME. Then we really have some FOOTBALL!!!!!

  35. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 3:28 PM

    I was just rereading the rule myself and found it striking (and hilarious) that the 3 key defenseless player VARIATIONS are PRECISELY the way you would describe each of the hits that Steelers fan insist are purely legal.

  36. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 3:29 PM

    “Note: The provisions of section (f) DO NOT PROHIBIT incidental contact by the mask or noncrown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent. ”

    -That pretty much Covers Harrisons hit on Massaqui, Brees and Fitzpatrick.

  37. benjaminbreeg11 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:31 PM

    Harrison will get in line. He’s not ready to start bagging groceries or mopping floors, you know, the other things he’s qualified for.

  38. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 3:33 PM

    Who knows better at what defines a “conventional” tackle – NFL Defensive MVP’s or Interns and lawyer sports writers, neither of which has ever played the game.

  39. takingbacksundays5 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:33 PM

    Harrison led with his helmet, and hit Fitzpatrick with it in the chest/neck area. Because Fitz is a QB and completing his throwing motion, he’s considered a “defenseless” player. Thus Harrison’s hit was clearly against the rules.

    How is this so difficult for Steeler fans to understand?

  40. southbeachtalent says: Dec 2, 2010 3:33 PM

    One more fine and Harrison’s kids will have to apply for pell grants!!

  41. steelersmichele says: Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM

    Referee John Parry gave Harrison a flag for leading with the crown (the top) of his helmet. If you watch the replay, it clearly shows that the top of his helmet never touched Fitzpatrick. It was the front of his (Harrison’s) facemask.

    What happened next? Since the NFL clearly couldn’t fine Harrison for leading with the crown of the helmet, they defended the flag and said that Harrison “made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position.”

    And a few weeks ago Ryan Clark was flagged 15 yards for a hemlet to helmet hit and replay clearly showed that wasn’t the case and no fine was given.

    If the rules are very clear, why are referees getting the calls wrong on the field? Don’t say it’s because the game is too fast and they have to make a split second decision. That excuse isn’t allowed for Harrison, so it shouldn’t be allowed for the refs.

  42. mccollums says: Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM

    I just watched the replay multiple times on the Fitzpatrick hit.

    It’s at the end of this video

    His head was not down all the way.. he was lunging at the QB… you can’t tackle someone standing straight up.

    I will admit that Harrison’s head was a little low.. but don’t give me this crown of the helmet BS. He’s lunging at the QB to get to him ASAP.. he didn’t completely lower his head, his torso was at a 45 degree angle.

    when Fitzpatrick started his throwing motion, he rotated and SQUARED up on Harrison. That’s what made the hit look worse then it actually was.. When Harrison started the tackle, Fitzpatrick’s left shoulder was the point of contact…. it was FITZPATRICK’s FOLLOW THROUGH …

  43. andyprough says: Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM

    Hey Poindexter [Ray Anderson] – it’s Steelers-Ravens week.

    Put your pencil protector and your slide-rule away, and hide under your desk. We’ll let you know when the real men are done beating the crap out of each other, and its safe for you to come out

  44. southbeachtalent says: Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM

    fireflorio says:
    Dec 2, 2010 3:29 PM
    “Note: The provisions of section (f) DO NOT PROHIBIT incidental contact by the mask or noncrown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent. ”

    -That pretty much Covers Harrisons hit on Massaqui, Brees and Fitzpatrick

    You forgot to capitalize INCEDENTAL. None of those hits were incidental.

  45. connie73 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:39 PM

    i’m back pgh is crying like a baby.
    every talk radio and tv news. give them a bottle of wine. wine wine lol

  46. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 3:41 PM

    “-That pretty much Covers Harrisons hit on Massaqui, Brees and Fitzpatrick.”

    Seriously? You are an idiot. Let’s take Fitzpatrick because I think this is the clearest one (there’s certainly nothing “incidental” about it — Harrison could have stopped danced a jig, got to his knees, and still have brought down Fitzpatrick cleanly without launching straight at him head first) but for some reason it’s actually picked up by Steelers fan as perfectly legal.

    He launches straight at him, uses his facemask to hit him in the upper chest, lower portion of the helmet. Simple. Most often I’ve heard this explained away as “it wasn’t the top of the helmet or it was legal because he put his arms out” both of which are overtly mentioned in the rule.

    How does the full unnecessary roughness rule explain this hit away as “incidental” in your mind?

  47. CJ says: Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM

    How does Anderson put the words “They’re very clear” and “Rule 12 and it’s variations” is the same sentence?!

    If a rule has “variations” then that in and of itself proves said rule is not clear!

  48. pittsburghsteelerz says: Dec 2, 2010 3:43 PM

    If there’s no bias then why didn’t James Harrison win the player of the Month award over Suggs?

    November stats:

    Terrell Suggs: 18 tackles (17 solo); 4 sacks; 1 pass defended

    James Harrison: 26 tackles (20 solo); 4 sacks; 1 Int; 2 Forced fumbles; 1 pass defended

    I guess 3 turnovers or punching QBs doesn’t get Roger “the stooge” Goodell’s attention.

  49. CJ says: Dec 2, 2010 3:50 PM

    tfaulk,

    Dude if your point is that these “variations” of the rule are clearly spelled out in a concise 4000 words for just this one rule then congratulations you win. But let’s be serious, if it takes 4000 characters to define roughing the QB that’s incredibly absurd, and certainly not “clear” any way you choose to slice it.

    I hate the Steelers and even I can see that.

  50. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 3:50 PM

    Fireflorio, apologies for the name calling. I suspect you can only read the words that you want to hear so I will point out the truly relevant portion that you want to willfully ignore: the provision you cite is referring to “a conventional tackle on an opponent” not a defenseless player.

    That is (3) makes the contact quite expansive on defenseless players but all (f) type contacts when incidental on a conventional tackle are legal.

  51. Deb says: Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM

    If a defender runs up to the QB and throws his arms around him in a traditional full-body tackle with his body in a straight line–not head first and spearing–obviously his facemask will touch the QB since his head is, you know, connected by the neck to the rest of his body.

    James Harrison hasn’t changed his hitting style since 2008 when he was chosen defensive MVP. What’s more, other players in the league are tackling exactly the way he is without being flagged or fined. You can quote all the rules you want, but as long as the photos show he’s doing what the other players are doing without consequence, you have a problem. And when James Sanders hits Hines Ward helmet-to-helmet causing one of these supposedly all-important concussions but is named player of the week, you have a problem.

    For the league, this is about setting an example for other defensive players. When it’s no longer useful for them to cast Harrison as Cool Hand Luke, they’ll find another on another team and Florio can whine about a new set of whiners … unless, of course, that team is one he actually likes.

    For Florio, this is primarily about page clicks, and he’s delighted it involves Harrison and the Steelers. Only Jared Allen and the Vikes could possibly get him a comparable number of hits.

    For richm225? and others, it’s about Steeler hatred. And when guys like benjaminbreeg11 are posting that the only thing Harrison is good for is bagging groceries, a big part of the problem among some of the people posting here is covert racism.

  52. SteelTown6 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:54 PM

    It will be interesting to see what the refs have in store this Sunday. They already invented several new, previously unheard of penalties just for Harrison lately.

    / “falling will full body weight”, that was cute… total BS but cute.

  53. SteelTown6 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:56 PM

    I especially like last week’s “roughing” call – the ref was reaching for his flag long before contact was made. There was going to be a flag on that play no matter what…

  54. hairpie says: Dec 2, 2010 3:56 PM

    it must be embarrassing to be a stealer fan these days…. wow.

  55. benjaminbreeg11 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:00 PM

    No doubt the rule is complex. So what? The players, the coaches, the front office, they are all paid big bucks. If any player, coach, etc. does not have the gray matter to understand the rules, then they need to find another way to make a living.

    How said it was supposed to be simple or easy? If Harrison can’t (or won’t) understand, he’ll end up out of a job.

  56. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 4:03 PM

    What would you prefer him to do Tfaulk, remove his head from his shoulders before hitting a player? How about drop kicking the QB so as to ensure no helmet contact is made, is that OK????

    Fitzpatrick was not defensless, he saw Harrison comming, he could have ran out of the pocket and threw the ball away, fact is he decided to sit there and try and complete the throw, as many QB’s do.

    Masaqui was not defensless either…he lowered his head…if it would have been william gay instead of harrison – massaqui would have probably barreled that twig over and everyone would be screaming about how tough he is…but it wasn’t #22, it was #92 and massaqui wasn’t going to go any further.

    You can call me as many names as you like, shows where your comming from.

  57. dman19 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:08 PM

    If anyone is whining it’s the lawyer in you Florio..

  58. tmc4real says: Dec 2, 2010 4:08 PM

    tfaulk, I am sorry, but what do you expect Harrison to do with his head as he hits a QB? From the time I was a child, I was taught to put my facemask in the chest of the guy you are hitting. You keep your head up, facemask in the chest, wrap up and tackle. Where do you expect his head to go? It is hinged and he can flip it behind him, hanging down like a hoodie?

    I can buy the Massaquoi deal. Part of the rule states you cannot use a forearm to the head, shoulder, or neck area. Okay. Harrison threw his arms forward. I get that. Was it worth $75,000 when Seymour striking a QB after the play with a punch only cost $25,000?

    I will also concede the Brees hit. He hit him from behind after the ball was out, and struck to the head/neck area. But, he is coming straight at Fitz and goes for his chest. If he raises his head and leans back, I am sure his head hits near the head of Fitz. Flag. If he goes lower, he is at the knees. Flag. And, the previous week, he puts his head to the side of Campbell and they flag him for tackling him with his full body weight. Seriously?

  59. rushmatic says: Dec 2, 2010 4:15 PM

    citizenstrange says:

    The League responded by making Patriot James Sanders Defensive Player of the Week for his helmet to helmet hit on HInew Ward. What to whine about?
    _______________________

    Watch the tape again, citizendumbdumb. He didn’t lead with his helmet and it was mostly face-guard that took the impact.

  60. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 4:18 PM

    CJ, can you tell me what is unclear about it? There are very few rules expressed in 60 words or less. (The safety rule is more than 240 words.)

    My point is, yes, the rule is very, precise and clear. It specifically says which players are defenseless, what special hits or infractions are unnecessary roughness when defenseless, what infractions are unnecessary roughness in all cases, etc… Oh no, there’s many words, it must be incomprehensible….! Really, read through it a few times and tell me what is unclear? Nothing.

    Again, let’s reference the Fitzpatrick hit and explain to me how it is unclear whether or not the rule applies.

    Certainly, I am not saying that the officials get it 100% right, but I am saying that the Steelers players, in their own defense, and their supporters have often been 100% wrong about what is quite explicitly stated in the rule.

  61. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 4:20 PM

    southbeachtalent says:
    Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM

    “You forgot to capitalize INCEDENTAL. None of those hits were incidental.”

    ——

    You are right…the hits where CONVENTIONAL, the helmet contact was INCEDENTAL.

    get up to speed!!!

  62. kisstherings says: Dec 2, 2010 4:22 PM

    Florio – You ever hear of freedom of speech? If somobody saying their opinion and what is on there mind is whining….then I guess you whine all day.

    There are plenty of other players and fans that agree with them – regardless of whether we hate the Steelers.

    A lot of fans agree that the League completely over-reacted to media pressure regarding the illegal hit saga and think it is ruining the game.

    Again….that is their opinion and some of our opinion. It doesn’t make it whining just because it isn’t yours or the league’s.

  63. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 4:22 PM

    CJ, and my initial point was quite explicitly that the commenters here were acting as if “variations” meant interpretations or there were varying readings of the same rule or that it was subjective in some way. This is quite clearly not the case at all, and variations is clearly referring to the different instances and infractions that fall under variations of “unnecessary roughness” under Rule 12.

  64. noqrtrgvn says: Dec 2, 2010 4:23 PM

    The NFL is going down the drain fast….being administered by lawyers and suits that have never worn a football uniform since their mother took them trick-or-treating. They’re looking to make millions of dollars for themselves on the backs of the players who they don’t give a damn about. Roger Goodell and Ray Anderson haven’t got the faintest clue about the speed of the game and/or what it takes to play it, and yet they want to mandate tackling form??? Ludicrous!!!!

  65. fireflorio says: Dec 2, 2010 4:24 PM

    to illustrate my point, please view this video

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d813ade41/Peterson-runs-over-William-Gay?r_src=ramp

    Now, that is helmet to helmet contact on a supposedly defenseless receiver. IF the same situtaion happens and harrison is standing where gay is, Peterson get’s dropped, and harrison get’s fined.

  66. benh999 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:25 PM

    Who complains more, the Steelers’ players and coach, or their fans?

  67. jpmelon says: Dec 2, 2010 4:26 PM

    @tfaulk
    Great post….

    FYI to the whiners – Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8, (f-3) is exactly why the call against Harrison for his hit on fitzpatrick was called.

  68. mean13 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:29 PM

    The Squealers are without doubt the filthiest playing and whiniest team in the NFL. And that is not even considering that their QB IS A RAPIST. Rapenstein’s attorney met with the Georgia co-ed’s attorney and 2 days later she and her attorney drop charges and will no longer speak about the incident. Do the math, fools. Would the NFL have suspended him if they thought the charges were false? Would the Squealers have shopped him to every other NFL team (there were no takers) if they believed him.

    Farrior, Ward, Polamalu, Harrison – all cheap shot artists. It’s no coincidence that the unscruplulous Rooneys – who have long thought that they can get away with anything – own the very NFL team that can not play by the rules.

  69. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 4:31 PM

    “What would you prefer him to do Tfaulk, remove his head from his shoulders before hitting a player? How about drop kicking the QB so as to ensure no helmet contact is made, is that OK????”

    I would prefer you not act like a hysterical girl pretending there isn’t a thousand ways to still legally hit the guy.

    I would like (and I only mean this with regard to complying with existing rules, not how I want the game) him to start by not launching, not leading with his helmet (and I would like you to stop pretending that it’s impossible to lead with a shoulder), not aiming at 3 inches below his chin. That still gives about 4.5 feet of target and plenty of ways to put a hurt on.

    “Fitzpatrick was not defensless, he saw Harrison comming, he could have ran out of the pocket and threw the ball away, fact is he decided to sit there and try and complete the throw, as many QB’s do.”

    Now you are just getting back into idiot territory. Yes, he was defenseless. Get over it. He was in the act of throwing.

  70. footballrulz says: Dec 2, 2010 4:34 PM

    If not, I am sure the Lingerie Football League is hiring….of course, they allow big hits. I said HITS
    _______________________________

    ROTF

  71. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 4:36 PM

    “tfaulk, I am sorry, but what do you expect Harrison to do with his head as he hits a QB? From the time I was a child, I was taught to put my facemask in the chest of the guy you are hitting. You keep your head up, facemask in the chest, wrap up and tackle. Where do you expect his head to go? It is hinged and he can flip it behind him, hanging down like a hoodie?”

    It’s very simple. Aim lower or lead with a shoulder. I have no clue when you were taught to play tackle but it has been quite a while since QBs and other defenseless players have been treated differently and it does require aiming lower. I am not saying it’s fair, but I am saying it’s the rule. I’m asking some people here to at least face what the rule is and stop this silly nonsense with “decapitating themselves” in order to hit… There is plenty of recourse for a perfectly legal hit. But we’ve got many dumbasses pretending that QBs don’t have torsos while defenders are exclusively composed of skull.

  72. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 4:40 PM

    “But, he is coming straight at Fitz and goes for his chest. If he raises his head and leans back, I am sure his head hits near the head of Fitz. Flag. If he goes lower, he is at the knees. Flag.”

    Well, first off, it’s launching himself that clearly makes it UR. He doesn’t have to leave his feet at all. Secondly, I didn’t know that from Fitzpatrick’s upper chest to his knee measured only 5 inches.

  73. richie500 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:40 PM

    Florio, you give your biased opinion but you erase mine????

  74. mjdkid100 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:43 PM

    #
    citizenstrange says: Dec 2, 2010 2:31 PM

    The League responded by making Patriot James Sanders Defensive Player of the Week for his helmet to helmet hit on HInes Ward. What to whine about?
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    Except for the fact that Ward ran into Sanders facemask….Sanders did not lead with his helmet. Watch the play again.

    WHAT PART ABOUT NOT LEADING WITH YOUR HELMET CAN STEELER FANS AND PLAYERS NOT UNDERSTAND…Its pretty simple…

  75. snnyjcbs says: Dec 2, 2010 4:47 PM

    Much of what separates the good teams from the bad are the players they have not only with the talent but the Heart to go along with that talent. Many are very physical and play much different then other players at their same positions.

    The NFL wants to take this away from teams making them all more like the same so as to keep more teams involved to the end, it is the money plain and simple.

    From using the officials and all the garbage unclear rule changes allowing Ref’s to call the same type play any way they like from one week to the next. To deranging the physical teams and making sure no one ruffles Tom Brady’s Panties they are destroying the game.

    And lets stop with the player is breaking an NFL record talk, under what rules, give me a WR catching 80 balls a year when corners were able to play like corners over any 120 balls per year pitch and catch WR of today.

    If enough players stand by their guns and keep playing the way the game should be played they can beat the NFL, without them there is NO NFL, if the players ever figure that out they would own the owners.

  76. igottz5onit says: Dec 2, 2010 4:54 PM

    God this website is becoming nothing but a bitchfest. First you have florio crying about the steelers hitting too hard and not cowtowing to the league’s agenda. Then you have steelers fans bitching about being persecuted by the league. Next you have steelers haters whining about the steelers/fans bitching about being persecuted. Then you have the occasional nutjob still complaining about how the officiating was a little lopsided in super bowl xl. Now you have me bitching about all the whining. Can’t we all just shut up and just watch the games and keep our opinions to ourselves?

  77. holeinone09 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:55 PM

    The issue is, it is clear that Harrison’s tackles in most cases borderline but he is being made a poster boy for GODell and the NFL carrying on with their crusade to stop potential injuries so they extend the season by 2 games, so they can make more money. That is what this is all about. Talking about Harrison makes for a great distraction from the real issue. Harrison certainly hits harder than most defensive players, and he mouthed off about it. Can you image the gall of a player going against the NFL (let alone team ownership?). (tongue in cheek)

    The haters will continue to say the hits were illegal and the supporters will continue to say they weren’t, both while looking at the same video. Who cares? Just wait until something similar happens to one of their players who is merely trying to stop the ball carrier and he inadvertently makes an “illegal hit”.

    At this point, and somewhat because I am just tired of all the nonsense and seeing Florio hype story after story about this matter, my hope as a Steeler fan is that Harrison makes some appropriate modifications in his “approach” to ball carriers, and is able to make use of his shoulder more. Then, if he breaks someone in half or otherwise knocks a player out of the game because he used his shoulder in his normal violent collision, at least it won’t be a violation of some rule. If I were Harrison, that is exactly what I would start to try doing, and dare the NFL to punish me.

    GO STEELERS!!

  78. leroysbutler says: Dec 2, 2010 4:56 PM

    She said no.

  79. fellorio says: Dec 2, 2010 4:59 PM

    #
    SteelTown6 says: Dec 2, 2010 3:56 PM

    I especially like last week’s “roughing” call – the ref was reaching for his flag long before contact was made. There was going to be a flag on that play no matter what…
    ————————————————————-
    You almost nailed it: I was in on the pre-game meeting and the flag was supposed to be thrown on the previous play; the ref f**ked up, and just tried to make amends. Can’t fault him for that, bro.

  80. johntonioholmes says: Dec 2, 2010 5:07 PM

    Yeah it was whining!

    Completely justified because Srtoud should have been fined for laying on top of Roethlisberger.

    FINE CONSISTENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and Stop Sucking.

  81. lionsfan20 says: Dec 2, 2010 5:10 PM

    The NFL gives them a free Super Bowl XL and they still find things to complain about?

  82. wtf2812 says: Dec 2, 2010 5:21 PM

    And I respond to the NFL: Hypocrits!

    Let’s see if this one gets censored.

  83. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 5:25 PM

    @CJ: “If a rule has “variations” then that in and of itself proves said rule is not clear!”

    I have a rule with my girlfriend that I get a blowjob every night. But if I forget to take out the trash, I only get a hand job. If I leave the toilet seat up, I don’t get a blowjob. If I give her head, a blowjob is at her discretion.

    A rule with variations that seems perfectly clear. Get a hold of the English language. Variation is not defined as unclear.

  84. refsyousuk says: Dec 2, 2010 5:30 PM

    It still comes down to the officials to interpret an overly complex set of rules. Elderly, myopic, atrocious, part time officials.
    All Florio is doing is deflecting from this. And laughing all the way to the bank. He was one of the first to scream shrilly about the poor defenseless receivers, and just after Bradshaw died er, Mike Webster, he took up the concussion mantel. He has to toe the party line…he helped create it.

  85. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 6:09 PM

    “It still comes down to the officials to interpret an overly complex set of rules. Elderly, myopic, atrocious, part time officials.”

    While this (the interpretation of officials, not overly complex rules) is fundamentally true, there is an initial roadblock of players who are clearing making illegal plays and insisting that they are perfectly legal. And then complaining when they are enforced. Not even flawless sensors and computers are going to make that go away. Again, I would point to the Fitzpatrick play as textbook illegal, not subjective in the least, and, moreover, avoidable. Players pretending this not to be the case are going to continue to have problems with fines and eventually suspensions.

  86. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 6:16 PM

    “The issue is, it is clear that Harrison’s tackles in most cases borderline but he is being made a poster boy for GODell and the NFL carrying on with their crusade to stop potential injuries so they extend the season by 2 games, so they can make more money. ”

    Actually, you get to the fundamental point later on: “my hope as a Steeler fan is that Harrison makes some appropriate modifications in his “approach” to ball carriers, and is able to make use of his shoulder more. Then, if he breaks someone in half or otherwise knocks a player out of the game because he used his shoulder in his normal violent collision, at least it won’t be a violation of some rule.”

    That’s the fundamental point. I’d estimate 65% of the time I see him launching and dipping his head. Harrison is making himself the poster boy by continuing to do the same thing, saying he can’t play otherwise, whining about the fines, and saying they are perfectly legal hits. If he changes his tendencies, he wouldn’t be any less of a force, and maybe someday the Steelers and their fans will actually have something to whine about.

    The other league issues have nothing to do with the Steelers nor Harrison specifically, but the Steelers and Steeler fans are making it about them and preventing the real issues from being addressed.

  87. mrssmith says: Dec 2, 2010 6:39 PM

    SteelTown6

    I hate to tell you but Suggs was flagged for “full body” weight this year before Harrison was. Completely bogus call but wasn’t made up for him!

  88. blackandgold1414 says: Dec 2, 2010 6:52 PM

    @tfaulk

    Your theory about hitting a QB in the torso would be great but he’s already been penalized for doing that (see the Oakland game).

    Tell me exactly how you hit and tackle any player without your weight coming down on them to avoid a penalty.

    Harrison has a target on him now as much as you haters want to argue it. As soon as the NFL starts publishing a list of all roughing the passer/unnecessary roughness calls on a weekly basis along with explanations as to why this person was fined and this one wasn’t you always have a difference in opinion.

  89. mborz says: Dec 2, 2010 6:57 PM

    Florio, I have a dare for you. When Costas is interviewing you this Sunday, I dare you to call the Steeler s whiners like you did here. That would be interesting.

  90. Deb says: Dec 2, 2010 7:17 PM

    @mean13 …

    Try to stay on point–which is an effort to neuter NFL defenses, using Harrison as the point man … for now. And stop spewing BS.

    Although that woman made a complaint, the police never filed charges against Roethlisberger so there were no charges to drop. Sorry Matlock, but cops don’t file charges against a man just because a woman says he raped her. They need corroborating evidence. And what they had in this case was dozens of witnesses from multiple locations saying she pursued him plus a medical exam showing she did not have intercourse. The DA said, he had no case with or without her cooperation because he could not prove penetration or unwillingness on her part.

    Now grow up and stick to the subject or slink off to another thread. And take leroy’s idiotic butler with you.

    Sure wish PFT had an age requirement so you junior high kids couldn’t get in.

  91. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 8:06 PM

    @blackandgold1414 : It’s the same “Driving the QB into the ground” call I see twenty times a year. I don’t see anything wrong with the call. It’s one of the few hits where he makes contact while on his feet, then he drives his weight forward and lunges off the ground. It’s more ticky-tack than any of the finable offenses, but it’s also in the rule to err on the side of the defenseless player. Driving the QB into the ground gets called all the time; it’s nothing special or made up for Harrison.

    By the way, I’m not a hater. I would say the Steelers are my third favorite team. All I care about is actually getting to what the rules say and understanding them and then enforcing them correctly and maybe modifying them in the future for both the betterment of the game while preserving player safety. Florio may drum up traffic because Steeler fans are whiners, but he’s one of the few NFL talking heads who has read the rule (apparently), understood its clarity, and covered it so. Just watched those idiots on ESPN Audibles not have any clue what the rule is, and those morons just fuel the ignorance and idiocy that I’m seeing from the Steelers and fans.

  92. tfaulk says: Dec 2, 2010 8:37 PM

    @blackandgold1414: To elaborate further, I’m not saying it’s a good call, I’m saying it’s not at all surprising that it was made nor is it a call I haven’t seen made a hundred times before. Driving the QB into the ground (or bringing your full weight down on the QB) is always either rather egregious or a ticky-tack call. You can also guarantee that whenever a QB is physically lifted off the ground and thrown back AFTER contact and/or a defender’s butt and/or feet lifts up off the ground AFTER making contact and/or the QB looks like he is being folded like a portable table (all 3 in this case) this call will be made. Happens all the time to all sorts of players on all the teams. Steeler fans act as if every single game doesn’t have 5-10 bad calls or missed calls and/or as if every single hit made by Harrison is called for a penalty. Get over it; you aren’t that special.

  93. muchmaligned says: Dec 2, 2010 9:15 PM

    I am not at all a fan of Deb but she laced your tiny ass, Florio. And, her analysis is spot-on. I hate the Steelers with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns, but this whole “protecting the integrity of the game” or “protecting the players” shine is outlandish. I know it. The league knows it. The NFLPA knows it. All of you sycophants know it.

    @tfaulk,

    Over-post much?

  94. refsyousuk says: Dec 2, 2010 9:55 PM

    Methinks, Tfaulk, you are a league plant.
    You seem to vehemently defend these calls and are unwavering in your belief that the Fitzpatrick hit was”illegal”.
    No rational discussion, if I disagree with you I don’t understand the rules. Seems only you and Florio understand the rules clearly.
    You say “Again, I would point to the Fitzpatrick play as textbook illegal, not subjective in the least, and, moreover, avoidable.” Yet many, including players, disagree with you.

  95. tobiasjodter says: Dec 2, 2010 10:35 PM

    Speaking of “full weight of the body” – why was this not a penalty or fine?

  96. goldsteel says: Dec 2, 2010 10:40 PM

    tfaulk says:
    Dec 2, 2010 5:25 PM
    @CJ: “If a rule has “variations” then that in and of itself proves said rule is not clear!”

    Since you mention a dictionary,
    Variation: The act, process, or result of varying. b. The state or fact of being varied.

    Vary: To make or cause changes in the characteristics or attributes of; modify or alter.

    Or to put it simply, they call them as they see them, right or wrong.

    I thought it amusing that you brought up your sex life on a thread to do with unnecessary roughness. And we are all relieved to know your significant other does have some discretion in your practices du jour. No doubt she must feel special that someone so intelligent and perceptive honors her so.

    Fire Goodell.

  97. igottz5onit says: Dec 2, 2010 11:54 PM

    Wow Goldsteel just dominated Tfaulk.

  98. tellmeaboutitbaby says: Dec 3, 2010 8:40 AM

    @tfaulk – OK – I agree with you – the rule is clear enuff, and it makes sense, and Harrison’s hits violated the rule so he should be flagged and fined.

    Great – now, let’s get to the heart of the issue that the Steeler’s and their fans are raising.

    We both know that if you went through every minute of game film from all of the games last weekend that you could find 20 other hits that met those criteria of “violating the rule” The issue is that none of those other 20 hits are flagged or fined.

    So which is it? Is it so clear and obvious that the league can identify it every time it happens? If so – why are those other hits not being flagged or fined?

    Or, as so many argue – is it simply a case that the league has painted a target on Harrison’s back are are working to screw him over at every opportunity?

    Please explain it to poor stupid little me…..

  99. CJ says: Dec 3, 2010 9:50 AM

    tfaulk says:
    Dec 2, 2010 4:18 PM
    CJ, can you tell me what is unclear about it? There are very few rules expressed in 60 words or less. (The safety rule is more than 240 words.)
    _________________________
    tfaulk,

    Dude I’m not sure where you went to elementary school, but 60 and 240 are a lot less then 4000, which is the number of characters in this rule and the number that I put in the post in which you replied to with the comment above.

  100. kirkandhanh says: Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM

    Funny reading all these comments from girls who has weren’t around to see real football in the 70’s and 80’s.

  101. fireflorio says: Dec 3, 2010 12:12 PM

    Hey Tfaulk, NO Fitzpatrick wasn’t defensless no matter how amny names you want to hurl.

    Watch the play again, and try and keep your finger out of your eye.

    Everyone on that play from Fitzpatrick to the offensive line, to the coaches on the sideline, to every player on the field and every person in the stadium, the announcers and everyone watching the game knew the Steelers had overloaded that side and were bringing the sink. Fitzpatrick knew they were comming, he audibled and called the quick slant so he could get rid of the ball quickly. This type of play happens 100’s of times every week, and the quarterback makes the decision when approaching the line, what he is goign to do, either he is goign to sit in the pocket and take a lick or roll out and try and make something happen…Fitzpatrick made his choice.

    It is obvious your ‘knowledge’ of the sport comes from lawyer sports writers and not from actually playing the game. Juvenile.

  102. chrisbermansdoublechin says: Dec 4, 2010 12:45 AM

    MIKEY, … Suggs & Urlacher seem to be unhappy with these “rules”as well, the Steelers are just more vocal about it, … who can forget Ray Lewis last year, upset after a loss to NE, about a “call” on Brady? … Herrimans of the Eagles was recently fined $5,000 for going at a Giants players knees, INTERESTING that the NFL doesn’t consider that as FLAGRANT as something a defensive player does, taking out someones knees could end their career. While you like to quote us the self righteous Tony Dungy, it’s interesting that this talk of SUSPENSION came up after Rodney Harrison, [one of the dirtiest players in the league] suggested it. The other thought is that Art Shell is part of the appeals process on fines, … JUST WONDERING WHAT Shell thought of the dirty hits of players he played with back in the 70s, like Tatum, Atkinson, Villapiano … having him there does not insulate the NFL from criticism, on how unfair & ridiculous this game has become. The officating in the Raiders-Steelers game was so bad, to have a stadium chanting BS was quite an inditement of the current state of the league.

  103. joetoronto says: Dec 4, 2010 6:54 AM

    benh999 says: Dec 2, 2010 4:25 PM

    Who complains more, the Steelers’ players and coach, or their fans?
    *********************************************************
    That’s a good question.

    They all cry so loud though, that it’s hard to gauge.

  104. rebalt says: Dec 7, 2010 4:17 AM

    The league people are a bunch of cowards and afraid the Steelers will get #7 (SB trophies). Goodell has got to go. Anderson is just his bitch.

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