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Judge who sentenced Michael Vick is now a fan

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The judge who sentenced Michael Vick to 23 months in federal prison in 2007 says he’s proud to see what Vick has accomplished in 2010.

He’s an example of how the system can work,” U.S. District Court Judge Henry E. Hudson told the Washington Post.

At the time of the sentencing, Hudson had harsh words for Vick, who pleaded guilty to running a dog fighting ring. Hudson told Vick, “I think you need to apologize once again to the millions of people who look up to you,” and added, “While you have acknowledged guilt and apologized, I’m convinced it was not a momentary lapse of judgment on your part.”

But now that Vick has served his time, Hudson says he’s glad to see Vick doing well on the field this year with the Eagles.

“He’s having a terrific season,” Hudson said. “I’m very happy for him. I wish him the best of success.”

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  1. joetoronto says: Dec 8, 2010 10:27 AM

    Wait till he gets paid, Judge.

  2. smellmyballs says: Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM

    Vick is scum. Any one who roots for him is a POS

  3. brintfarvruhsux says: Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM

    @ joetoronto

    Go back to your Molsen and shut up…

  4. vtboarder says: Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM

    Pennsylvania Redemption Bowl on order. What a sweet package the NFL has orchestrated!

  5. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 10:41 AM

    This is coming from a huge dog fan. I love dogs and my dog is one of my best friends and could never imagine hurting him or any other dog, but the guy more than paid his debt to society and the NFL. He continues, and not because he is forced to but by choice, to hold conferences talking to the youth and has continued his work with the Humane Society. Give the guy a break. Its not like he killed a person. (Ray Lewis, Marvin Harrison, Donte Stallworth) I agree what he did, or funded, was despicable and cruel. But he is a person and everyone makes mistakes. I was a HUGE fan of his in Atlanta, and kept hoping for him to get a shot somewhere. They were my second favorite team because of him. I am glad he has had a great year and will get PAID. Good for Vick. I just hope he continues on the straight and narrow.

  6. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 10:43 AM

    smellmyballs says:
    Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM
    Vick is scum. Any one who roots for him is a POS
    ————————————————
    This coming from a guy with not only a really classy, mature name; but also one that I can only assume has never made a mistake. We thank you for your contributions to society and never doing anything wrong. We look up to you “Smellmyballs.”

  7. joetoronto says: Dec 8, 2010 10:44 AM

    brintfarvruhsux says: Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM

    @ joetoronto

    Go back to your Molsen and shut up…
    *********************************************************
    Awe, did I offend you, BillyBob?

    I can see you now, massively overweight, missing most of your teeth and sitting on the porch of your trailer.

    Nice.

  8. artiesliver says: Dec 8, 2010 10:44 AM

    Judge Judy will kick your ass.

  9. myspaceyourface says: Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM

    Eagles v. Steelers in the Super Bowl.

    Although it could happen, I find it very unlikely the NFL wants either team there.

  10. amanistumor says: Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM

    Keep hating on Vick losers… I’m sure that’ll make your pathetic lives more complete, not!

  11. leroysbutler says: Dec 8, 2010 10:55 AM

    Must be a cat person.

  12. steelctygirl says: Dec 8, 2010 10:56 AM

    Vick paid for what he did and the system is working, i beleive…. I’m a dog lover and it upset me to no end when everything came out about the dog fighting… I own a pit/lab and a rottweiler…. PEOPLE… scratch that, EVERYONE MAKE MISTAKES. Even though i’m not an Eagles fan, it still makes me happy to see someone learn an important lesson and come out on the right side….. good for you, Vick!!!!

  13. Celsior says: Dec 8, 2010 10:57 AM

    Good. Now that that’s out of the way Judge Hudson can focus on striking down the entire PPACA for its unconstitutionality and its lack of severability clause.

  14. Rosenthals Speling Instrukter says: Dec 8, 2010 10:59 AM

    I was skeptical at first but this man now seems to truly regret what he did and realizes that what he did was wrong.

    Or he is the greatest actor of our generation.

    Maybe him and Robert Downey Jr. Can share the crackpipe at the pink taco club in Hollywood.

  15. bobbyhoying says: Dec 8, 2010 11:04 AM

    Michael: You have the resources of your minions at NBC. Why don’t you count how many times someone has gotten a 15 yarder for illegally hitting Vick this year versus Manning, Brees and Brady? Surely someone has this stat.

  16. nopuntintended says: Dec 8, 2010 11:06 AM

    @brintfarvruhsux

    Way to contribute in a meaningful way.

    It’s MOLSON not MOLSEN. Pretty bad when you aren’t bright enough to even spell your way through your garbage post…then again, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised someone who can’t spell Molson would post something like that.

    Yee-haw, Cletus.

  17. manning10g says: Dec 8, 2010 11:10 AM

    I think Vick is playing this well because he really realizes he has a second chance, and what it means to play professional football in the US, let alone as a starting quarterback. I think this new found appreciation will allow us to enjoy some great play from one of the most exciting quarterbacks playing right now.

  18. maddog111 says: Dec 8, 2010 11:16 AM

    Looks like the system works perfectly. As long as you’ve got a job that will pay you tens of millions of dollars as long as you don’t screw up again at least.

  19. bleedeaglegreen says: Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM

    smellmyballs says:
    Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM
    Vick is scum. Any one who roots for him is a POS
    ——

    I am a life long Eagle fan & I totally agree.

    It’s funny to watch Vick fans constantly abuse others that do not feel that just because his name hasn’t been associated with anything negative since JUNE, is completely rehabilitated.

    As you Vickies are entitled to your opinion sticking up for him, others are entitled to be skeptical.

    The guy was always a pathological liar, he has admitted that. How many people do you know on a personal level that have proven to you to be a pathetic liar & have completely changed? Now you totally believe whatever they say? But the people that idolize Vick believe unquestionably that he’s a “new man”. Just like ANY violent criminal huh?

    Just because this guy claims to be rehabilitated & has won a few football games, all should be forgotten. No one should EVER disagree with a Vick defender or want more proof that he has really changed.

    When he was with Atlanta, it took YEARS for his horrid acts to become public. After a year & a half on the outside everyone should just take him at face value & believe he’s changed?

    Hey Vickies, you want to believe that, that’s on you BUT others are allowed to disagree without being abused by Vick lovers.

    Watch the Vickies abuse this post though – It’s ok to abuse people that don’t agree but not to be skeptical of a convicted criminal, talk about the pure definition of hypocrisy.

  20. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM

    Geez. When will it end? Even the judge came out and said he is happy for him and believes he is truly sorry for his mistakes.

    What do you want? One of the dogs from his dog fighting ring to come down from doggy heaven and say “we have, too, forgiven Vick and we are happy for his success”. Is that what you want?

    Get 0ff it already.

  21. godofwine330 says: Dec 8, 2010 11:27 AM

    I thought Vick pled gultiy to Interstate Gambling charges, NOT dog fighting?

  22. billygoat says: Dec 8, 2010 11:28 AM

    @steelctygirl

    PEOPLE… scratch that, EVERYONE MAKE MISTAKES

    Everyone doen’t violently KILL AND TORTURE defenseless animals because they under perform though.

  23. joetoronto says: Dec 8, 2010 11:38 AM

    “Yee-haw, Cletus.”

    lol, oh man. :)

  24. comeonnowguys says: Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM

    “Its not like he killed a person. (Donte Stallworth)”

    Stallworth should have gotten a longer sentence, but there was absolutely no premeditated malice in what he did. A guy ran out in the middle of a busy causeway. Tragic, and Stallworth should have gotten more than 30 days, because he was drunk.

    But he didn’t maliciously kill animals with his bare hands.

    That said, I’m in the “paid his debt/cautious trust in his new life” crowd with Vick.

  25. wydok says: Dec 8, 2010 11:48 AM

    Everyone falls short of the glory of God. It’s not our place to judge Vick because of what he did to dogs.

    He found guilty by a jury of his peers and did the punishment assigned to him. Now he is trying to live his life.

    Continuing to hate him for past actions doesn’t change anything.

  26. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 11:50 AM

    @ maddog111 says:
    Dec 8, 2010 11:16 AM
    Looks like the system works perfectly. As long as you’ve got a job that will pay you tens of millions of dollars as long as you don’t screw up again at least
    ——
    I couldnt agree with you more. For “willie jackson” on 6th St he wouldve gotten a lot more time and wouldnt be able to get a good job when / if he got out.

    and for packerrube13

    if you support Vick in any way then u OBVIOUSLY don’t “love dogs” as much as you say or u dont know to the full extent on what he did to these dogs. And if your argument (like all other vick supporters) is that he just had the fights at his house or supported the activity, then u are wrong; he ADMITTED in graphic detail his HANDS ON participation. I cant stand how ppl can say “he paid hes debt to society, and besides its not like he killed people”… thats right at least people have an equal chance to defend themselves… this POS COWARD tortured defenseless dogs for no good reason other than for his entertainment. Just bc a person spends time in jail and does some court ordered (even if hes continued to do it…he does it for pure public image, not bc hes a changed man) community service does NOT mean he “paid his debt.” Would u say the same about a convicted murder or rapist who was released early from jail? Just bc you do time does not erase what you’ve done and CAN’T take back! Since hes done good (ON THE FIELD) hes going to get paid millions and will live the lavish lifestyle, which he doesnt deserve, and people will look at him as a hero and someone who has turned his life around for the best (just like Chris Henry..he was such a classy guy… thats right i went there, the guy was an idiot while he was alive but now that hes dead hes a hero to you ppl). Once “Mike Vick” gets paid “Mike Vick” will show you his true colors ONCE AGAIN as he as so many other times, bc ppl that disturbed can’t help but to spiral out of control when given the tools to… lets hope he doesnt “kill a person this time”

  27. bigblue4life says: Dec 8, 2010 11:56 AM

    @maddog111

    For the people that aren’t super star athletes; that’s pretty much everyone leaving comments we cannot compare our selves to this guys. Mick Vick did what he did, served his jail time and no he owes nothing to nobody except the debtors and the banks, you say hes making millions, he lives on a allowance every month. Even if he signs a big time deal, he still wont see half his money, so hes out doing what he does at the highest level and still not getting what his worth so I hate hearing that hes swimming in cash and he allowed to makes unreal amounts of money, the dude is out there taking home after paying everything he owes, close to what a back up makes…. And hes in the talk for MVP, Personally that’s the biggest punishment a guy in that position can have

  28. realitypolice says: Dec 8, 2010 11:57 AM

    Please, people, think whatever you want about Mike Vick. I personally was very strongly anti-Vick but have come to admire what he has been able to accomplish.

    But PLEASE, PLEASE stop calling what Mike Vick did a mistake. I can stomach someone with a single DUI or a single incident of several other types of crimes a mistake, but when you run an interstate criminal organization and systematically torture and kill animals for years and years, that is not a mistake. That’s a criminal life style.

    The final chapter on this story will be written many years from now, when Vick is retired. With no more debt to repay, no more contract to uphold, no more community service to fulfill, no more media spotlight to shine in, no more games to win. What will Michael Vick do then? Will he continue to disavow the culture he was raised in, and ignore that dark part in his heart that allowed him to do the things he did, when he has no financial or court-ordered reason to do so?

    I hope so. It would indeed be a great story if he does.

  29. mikea311 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:04 PM

    I’m glad vick is doing good, i hate the Eagles and Vick, and its way more fun to trash these losers when they fall then they if they continuously suck.

    its much better to watch all the fans get their hopes up and get shot down!

    its so great to know the Eli had more clutch in two minutes than the entire Eagles team has had for decades!

    GO GMEN!

  30. larryfinfan says: Dec 8, 2010 12:07 PM

    I think that the judge here is missing something…While I applaud Vick for his (at least outward) efforts to finish paying his debt, completing his sentence and then some and all that, the judge’s statement of ‘that’s how the system is supposed to work’ doesn’t do this situation real justice. Vick had the means (and talent) to ‘renew’ his life and earn a significant salary based on that talent and the greedy NFL owners and players that lets nothing step in the way of winning on the field. Not all offenders of crimes have that means. Most do not. So, while I am glad that Vick has seemingly turned his life around, he had a head start that most criminals do not. That judge should know this…

  31. jmt8251 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:09 PM

    The reason why most of these haters still hate has nothing to do with dogs. These are just hateful people that cannot change their miserable life and the way they think, so they don’t believe anyone else can change. The others just hate because they don’t know any better. If God is forgiving who are these fools to call him out of his name. The Judge gives his approval, Humane Society, SPCA, not to include working with the Mayor’s jail recovering, and kids in crisis. Plus be playing at the top of his game, while these loser spew hate. Tell me who is doing more with their life? No contest. Mike Vick. So keep hating losers!

  32. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 12:12 PM

    Steelygirl (or whatever) not sure what you’re doing. You just said you don’t have a problem with Vick, then go back and say that he violently killed and tortured animals. Ok. Well, first off, he didn’t. He may have known it was going on, but there is no proof he physically did anything himself. Now, when you say defenseless. I have to giggle a little, because, well these dogs were fighters.

    I know this has been brought up several times… but it’s so hilarious to me how you don’t hate Mike Vick for killing dogs, you hate him for being successful. Bottom line. You hate Mike Vick because he has success.

    When we first signed him, there was outrage. Then, all got quiet. Nothing. As SOON as he becomes our starter and is not only playing well, but killing it! Setting records. EVERYONE and their moms come out of the effing woodwork to bitch and moan again!

    If Donte Stallworth was successful, I guarantee we’d be going through the same BS with him. Or maybe not. After all, Donte only killed a person. Who cares. Vick killed DOGS for christ’s sake! Dogs!! There are woman being raped and murdered; children being abused physically, sexually, verbally; families are starving and sick and dying in 3rd world countries… but hey! Who cares?? Vick killed A DOG! Let’s put our sole attention onto him.

    Also, if anyone has noticed, all the media spotlight on Vick is positive. So, yea. Again, get over it. He’s doing the right thing and has been since before he was our starter.

  33. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM

    @bigblue4life

    Thats Maddogs point, that Vick was treated to a different standard that “EVERYONE ELSE” bc of who he is! And you are very wrong about him not seeing half of that money. If/when he gets that “big time deal” he will have to fork over about 2 mil of it to his creditors…. 2 mil is a signing bonus or SOME of a 1 years salary. So say he signs a 5 year 75 mil contract with a 1.5 mil signing bonus (keep in mind im throwing out pretty low numbers considering how hes the “MVP” and all)….. im sure u can do the math! Brees for President!

  34. steviemo says: Dec 8, 2010 12:20 PM

    Sure cure for Vick haters: Draft him on your fantasy team (worked for me).

  35. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 12:22 PM

    @bleedeaglegreen

    No, the true meaning of hypocrisy is doing exactly what you guys are doing, holding Vick to a different standard than you hold other people to. I’m pretty sure if it was your son/daughter/friend who was convicted of doing the same thing Vick was accused of, you’ll be singing a different tune right about now. Did Vick do a few things wrong? Yes he did, and he was punished for it. Now guess what? Move on. Nothing is sadder than people like you holding onto grudges, for what reason? No one knows, just move on, and whether you decide to or not, just understand that Vick has. Will he do something wrong again? Who knows? Well given that people aren’t perfect, I’m pretty sure he will. But I’m pretty sure you haven’t done everything perfect in your life either. And that’s the bottom line, let he who hasn’t done anything wrong cast the first stone.

  36. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 12:27 PM

    And how does Plaxico Burress deserve to STILL be in jail while this bum (and stallworth for that matter) are running all over the NFL field! to spark another debate…. Does Plaxico get the same treatment from the NFL when he gets out and does he deserve it?

  37. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 12:34 PM

    @bleedeaglesgreen…

    Wow. Is this a joke? You are the definition of what you claim we are doing. All we are doing is saying we support Vick, we are happy for him, and that everyone else who is not a supporter needs to just get over it. YOU, on the other hand, call us scum and POS, yet somehow we are the abusive ones.

    You claim to be a huge Eagles fan, well guess what, not only is Vick a part of the team, but he now LEADS it. So if you don’t support him, why don’t you take a nice little 5 year break from watching the Eagles until Vick’s reign is over. And if you insist on still watching, then everytime we score or win a game, you sit down and shut up. Because that is Vick doing that. And if you don’t support Vick, you don’t deserve to be a part of any celebrations we may or may not have.

  38. socojava says: Dec 8, 2010 12:37 PM

    @breeshasabush

    Plax should be shot and killed just for being a moron, thereby eliminating any (further?) chance at procreation.

  39. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:38 PM

    comeonnowguys says:
    Dec 8, 2010 11:47 AM
    “Its not like he killed a person. (Donte Stallworth)”

    Stallworth should have gotten a longer sentence, but there was absolutely no premeditated malice in what he did. A guy ran out in the middle of a busy causeway. Tragic, and Stallworth should have gotten more than 30 days, because he was drunk.

    But he didn’t maliciously kill animals with his bare hands.

    That said, I’m in the “paid his debt/cautious trust in his new life” crowd with Vick.
    ————————————————

    You can say that about ANY person that kills someone while drunk. It definitely doesn’t make it right, and the only reason his sentence wasn’t longer and he wasn’t charged with more was because the guy he killed was an illegal Mexican immigrant. REALLY? Talk about hypocrisy. What he did is no better than what Vick did. And for you to justify it as such, means you have never lost someone to a stupid drunk driver. Its not like he meant to kill them, but the negligent action remains.

    And @breeshasabush

    Are you kidding? People have an equal chance to defend themselves? Funny, when my friend was blindsided and killed instantly by a drunk driver, I wonder what mechanisms of defense he had handy? Or when babies are aborted, what defense do they have? The argument is the same! STFU you dumb a**. Vick definitely effed up. I know that, we all do. But he didn’t rape anyone, he didn’t kill anyone, and he didn’t hide from the consequences. He faced them like a man, changed his ways, and now has moved forward. Maybe you should too. Ray Lewis is looked at as a God, yet its well known he murdered someone. Marvin Harrison is well revered, but he murdered someone. Donte Stallworth murdered a man and served 24 days in jail?? REALLY? Talk about the epitome of hypocrisy. Isn’t it people>dogs? Maybe I’m mistaken. Again, huge dog lover and I have two of my own. I just rescued one this summer, and I feel terrible for the life this dog had before I stepped in. And again what Vick did was horrible, but can we move forward? Can we move on? Big Ben will rape another girl and Lewis will kill another person before Vick hurts another dog, and you can take that to the bank. Everything about Vick has proven that he has changed, so instead of being a hypocrite by looking at his old flaws and rehashing them, how about we move forward and try to become better men, and let the guy play the game he loves. Concentrate on relevant news.

  40. steelersmichele says: Dec 8, 2010 12:40 PM

    billygoat says: Everyone doen’t violently KILL AND TORTURE.

    Don’t act all high and mighty–I’m sure you eat meat and those animals are tortured and then killed so you can have a nice steak or lamb chops. So while he did those things directly, you do them indirectly.

    I’m not defending what Vick did. I’m a vegetarian and animal lover and felt like killing him myself after reading the reports. However, I’ll give people a second chance. It took me a while, but unless Vick screws up again, I believe he has changed.

    socomeonnowguys says: but there was absolutely no premeditated malice in what he [stallworth] did.

    Really? He drank a lot of alcohol and got behind the wheel of his car. You mean he had no idea that what he was doing could kill someone and was against the law? He knew, he just thought he could get away with it–just like Vick.

    Hey, I’m the first to give Stallworth props for owning up to his mistake and admitting immediately that what he did was wrong, but I’m sure that wasn’t the first time he drove drunk. It was only the first time he got caught.

  41. cornerdenizen0 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:44 PM

    @realitypolice who says:

    “Will he continue to disavow the culture he was raised in…”

    That’s an interesting question. It applies to every one of us because each of us was raised in a culture that fundamentally “flawed” in some way or another. So its on each of us to move past the flaws with which we were raised in order to grow as people.

    Of course a culture that promotes the torturing of animals is shocking, so I understand the prolonged response from dare I say, mostly white folks. But other cultures—like the ultra religious kind, teach its people that its acceptable to harshly judge and even condemn all others who don’t subscribe to their own spiritual beliefs.

    I’m not saying you’re in any way a spiritual person, but you seem to suggest that one culture is more flawed than another. This is a matter of perspective, don’t you think?

  42. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:45 PM

    jmt8251 says:
    Dec 8, 2010 12:09 PM
    The reason why most of these haters still hate has nothing to do with dogs. These are just hateful people that cannot change their miserable life and the way they think, so they don’t believe anyone else can change. The others just hate because they don’t know any better. If God is forgiving who are these fools to call him out of his name. The Judge gives his approval, Humane Society, SPCA, not to include working with the Mayor’s jail recovering, and kids in crisis. Plus be playing at the top of his game, while these loser spew hate. Tell me who is doing more with their life? No contest. Mike Vick. So keep hating losers!
    ———————————————-
    Exactly. Perfect.

  43. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:49 PM

    breeshasabush says:
    Dec 8, 2010 12:14 PM
    @bigblue4life

    Thats Maddogs point, that Vick was treated to a different standard that “EVERYONE ELSE” bc of who he is! And you are very wrong about him not seeing half of that money. If/when he gets that “big time deal” he will have to fork over about 2 mil of it to his creditors…. 2 mil is a signing bonus or SOME of a 1 years salary. So say he signs a 5 year 75 mil contract with a 1.5 mil signing bonus (keep in mind im throwing out pretty low numbers considering how hes the “MVP” and all)….. im sure u can do the math! Brees for President!
    ———————————————–

    I took you as a serious conversationalist until I saw this ridiculous post. To think I wasted my time debating something with you when your brain works in this way. Its really sad. Those numbers are way off. And you really don’t have a clue, about anything. What a waste of my time. Get out of your mom’s basement and get a life and a clue moron!

  44. bigbluefan1 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:54 PM

    First off I hate the egals

    Now that that is out of the way what bothers me about Vick is that he has that job
    Most of us would not be back to work in our jobs if we were convicked

  45. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM

    @gamustangdud

    seriously? quoting the bible? Save that crap for the birds bc if you are going to talk about “Hypocrisy” i really wouldnt choose the BIBLE to reference bc that just FULL of hypocrisy…. in the old testament it states “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” but im guessing ur just choosing which verse to quote that best suits your argument bc if we followed the bible vick would be tortured and killed for his actions. Its not that people dont want to “let it go” its that society is so hypocritical that it angers people who work hard and abide by the laws every day and earn next to nothing while this clown runs a crime orgnization, serves 23 months, and goes right back to earning ridiculous amounts of money because he is athletic. He gets a pass on everything wrong hes ever done (it wasnt just dog fighting, Mr. Ron Mexico has gotten in trouble numerous times) simply because hes an athlete. What is he going to do next to prove to you people that not only does he NOT DESERVE the Privilege ( i use that term verly loosely mr goddell) but he is a danger to society bc he is a habitual violator, but no worries…he can play football! If i can use your logic for a second let me propose a scenerio for you…. how would you feel about Mike Vick if you son/daughter/wife etc… were outside and drunk high mike vick ran them over while under the influence after a night of partying like a superstar (bc thats what he is after all) and killed them on the spot? How would you feel then? Would you feel as if this jerk shouldnt have been walking the streets given his troubled past? Would you feel he deserves harsh punishment? Chances are your answer is YES! And thats the issue

  46. jmt8251 says: Dec 8, 2010 12:58 PM

    What is your point haters? Would you feel better adopting a pet for the holidays or at least pretending you are interested in animal welfare. Get out of the house go get a homeless dog or better yet feed homeless person, My church needs volunteer servers not money to help feed the poor. God Bless Michael Vick and every thing he does positive. Is he perfect no, and neither the the hell are any of us. The Judge see the good he is By doing so he will have more money saved than he would have before, he still has his house, his mother still has her house. He still drives a better car than all of you. His family wants for nothing. So get over if. Merry Christmas, I’m blessed how about you? Jesus saves!

  47. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:04 PM

    breeshasabush says:
    Dec 8, 2010 12:55 PM
    @gamustangdud

    seriously? quoting the bible? Save that crap for the birds bc if you are going to talk about “Hypocrisy” i really wouldnt choose the BIBLE to reference bc that just FULL of hypocrisy…. in the old testament it states “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” but im guessing ur just choosing which verse to quote that best suits your argument bc if we followed the bible vick would be tortured and killed for his actions. Its not that people dont want to “let it go” its that society is so hypocritical that it angers people who work hard and abide by the laws every day and earn next to nothing while this clown runs a crime orgnization, serves 23 months, and goes right back to earning ridiculous amounts of money because he is athletic. He gets a pass on everything wrong hes ever done (it wasnt just dog fighting, Mr. Ron Mexico has gotten in trouble numerous times) simply because hes an athlete. What is he going to do next to prove to you people that not only does he NOT DESERVE the Privilege ( i use that term verly loosely mr goddell) but he is a danger to society bc he is a habitual violator, but no worries…he can play football! If i can use your logic for a second let me propose a scenerio for you…. how would you feel about Mike Vick if you son/daughter/wife etc… were outside and drunk high mike vick ran them over while under the influence after a night of partying like a superstar (bc thats what he is after all) and killed them on the spot? How would you feel then? Would you feel as if this jerk shouldnt have been walking the streets given his troubled past? Would you feel he deserves harsh punishment? Chances are your answer is YES! And thats the issue
    ————————————————–

    Again, you’re an idiot. That is NOT the issue. HE DID NOT KILL ANYONE, and your hypothetical is just that, hypothetical. You really are this high and mighty to continue to condemn someone for something they did 3 years ago, acknowledged, served time for, still serves time for, and is still paying for? Get a life. The guy didn’t kill anyone, so your worthless rambling about the Bible and whatever else is not only irrelevent, but ignorant and makes you look like the fool you really are.

    Almost every NFL player has their baggage and issues, and yet you only choose to condemn Vick? I am curious as to why. It is not the issue of dogs, clearly, so its something else. You pick him out and ignore what the rest of the players have done, as well as ignore facts brought right under your nose. Hmmmm…. Did he give your girlfriend herpes or something?

  48. jmt8251 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:09 PM

    smellmyballs says:
    Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM
    Vick is scum. Any one who roots for him is a POS
    ——

    Well the says it all. smellmyballs, that name tells what you are. Mr, Lurie will be so hurt that you won’t cheer for the Eagles LOL. Tv ratings through the roof, every tv station trying to get the Eagles on their schedule. The most watched game in 12 years. The NFL loves it. So go set in a corner Scrooge and smell you own stanky ball. I’m sure no one else wants to. Jesus still loves you as hateful as you are, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

  49. joetoronto says: Dec 8, 2010 1:14 PM

    Oh ya, “He made a mistake”

    Between his selection by the Atlanta Falcons in the 2001 NFL Draft and early 2007, Vick was allegedly involved in several incidents:

    * In 2007, statements were made by his father, Michael Boddie, about possible dogfighting activities in 2001. Boddie told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that around 2001, Vick was staging dogfights in the garage of the family’s home in Newport News and kept fighting dogs in the family’s backyard, including injured ones which the father nursed back to health. Boddie said his son had been urged to not engage in the activity, but continued. He stated: “This is Mike’s thing. And he knows it.” Within days, Vick’s mother, Brenda Vick Boddie, told the Newport News Daily Press “There was no dogfighting (at our home). There were no cages.”

    * In early 2004, two men were arrested in Virginia for distributing marijuana. The truck they were driving was registered to Vick. Falcons coach Dan Reeves recalled that he lectured Vick at that time on the importance of reputation, on choosing the right friends, and on staying out of trouble for the good of his team.

    * On October 10, 2004, Vick and other members of his party, including employee Quanis Phillips, were at Atlanta’s Hartsfield International Airport on their way to board an AirTran flight. While they were passing through a security checkpoint, a security camera caught Phillips and Todd Harris picking up an expensive-appearing watch which belonged to Alvin Spencer, a security screener. After watching the theft on a video tape, Spencer filed a police report. He claimed that Billy “White Shoes” Johnson, known as the Falcons’ “fixer”, interfered with the investigation. Although Vick representatives declined to make him available for an Atlanta police inquiry, six days later Spencer got the watch back from them.

    * In March 2005, Sonya Elliott filed a civil lawsuit against Vick alleging she contracted genital herpes from him in the autumn of 2002 and that he failed to inform her that he had the disease. Elliot further alleged that Vick had visited clinics under the alias “Ron Mexico” to get treatments and thus knew of his condition. On April 24, 2006, Vick’s attorney, Lawrence Woodward, revealed that the lawsuit had been settled out of court under undisclosed terms. Many fans bought custom jerseys from NFL.com with Vick’s number 7 and the name “MEXICO” on the back. The NFL has since banned customizing jerseys with the name Mexico.

    * November 26, 2006 – After a loss to the New Orleans Saints in the Georgia Dome, in apparent reaction to fans booing, Vick made an obscene gesture at fans, holding up two middle fingers. He was fined $10,000 by the NFL and agreed to donate another $10,000 to charity.

    * January 17, 2007 – Vick surrendered a water bottle which had a hidden compartment to security personnel at Miami International Airport. “The compartment was hidden by the bottle’s label so that it appeared to be a full bottle of water when held upright,” police said. Test results indicated there were no illegal substances in the water bottle and Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing. Vick announced that the water bottle was a jewelry stash box, and that the substance in question had been jewelry.

    * On April 24, 2007, Vick was scheduled to lobby on Capitol Hill, hoping to persuade lawmakers to increase funding for after-school programs. Vick missed a connecting flight in Atlanta on Monday to Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia. He later failed to show up for another seat booked for him later that evening. On Tuesday morning, he did not attend his scheduled appearance at the congressional breakfast where he was to be honored for his foundation’s work with after-school projects in Georgia and Virginia. Vick’s mother Brenda accepted the award from the Afterschool Alliance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick

  50. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 1:15 PM

    Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, which works for me if we apply it to everyone, not just Vick. (Again, my whole point). And you’re right if we did follow the bible he would be tortured and killed, however most of us would be too. (Starting to get the point?)

    And last, you can insert anyone’s name in your rant

    “How would you feel about “______” if your son/daughter/wife etc… were outside and drunk high “__________” ran them over while under the influence after a night of partying and killed them on the spot? How would you feel then?”

    1. You’re saying only people with a “past” can drive drunk / high.
    Well if you’re ignorant enough to believe that this scenario only applies to superstars, then you should be tortured and killed as well. However, as sad as that scenario is, it happens on a regular basis and not just to superstars, but “regular” folk as well. (Watch an episode of the evening news one day)

    A lifestyle of crime, roger, how about you comment whenever you live a perfect life, I’ll wait. Welcome to planet imperfect, we all live there.

  51. realitypolice says: Dec 8, 2010 1:16 PM

    @cornerdenizen0:

    When I make the “culture” reference, I am not referring to Mike Vick’s race. Nor am I saying one culture is better or worse than another. Although I would venture a guess that a “culture” that doesn’t teach it’s children that torturing animals is acceptable would get some style points in my book over one that does.

    What I am referring to is Mike Vick’s own constant use of the “culture” in which he was raised as an excuse for why he didn’t think it was wrong to fight dogs. It is his own use of the “culture card” that I am focusing on. In this case, I am referring to the micro-culture of his particular community and not African American culture in general.

    I am not religous and the circumstances of my life have made me a part of all sorts of socio-economic groups. My “perspective” is that there are good and bad people in every “culture”, and blaming your “culture” for who you are or what you do is a cop-out.

  52. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 1:16 PM

    packerrube13
    #1 its unfortunate that your friend died but that completely different. I do look at someone being killed by a drunk driver as murder but its not PRE MEDITATED, vick knew exactly what he was doing before, during, and after he did it and the only reason he showed PUBLIC ROMORSE is because he GOT CAUGHT (tiger woods). Im not saying Vick cant move on with his life, im saying he doesnt deserve to be a multi million dollar athlete for kids to look up to (dont say hes a model for how to turn you life around bc hed be doing the same stuff if he hadn’t got caught). He should be working at a grocery store, flipping burgers, selling hot dogs at a UFL game… not being in the public eye making mass sums of money. He should be treated by the same standard that ALL American Citizens who are convicted of this type of crime are treated, not be given a slap on the wrist just bc of who he is (which is what the judicial system and the NFL did)… if you were found guilty of the same crimes you’d probably STILL be in jail. Again im sorry for your loss (as i have lost frineds too) but it just doesnt apply here bc if it were Vick behind that wheel im willing to bet that he wouldve been given a lighter sentence (stallworth) than that of the person who killed your friend bc hes “Mike Vick”, now would that be fair? No… it would not and id argue just the same for your friend too! See what im getting at?

  53. vikesfansteve says: Dec 8, 2010 1:17 PM

    Did the judge buy a little vick jersey for his dog?

  54. realitypolice says: Dec 8, 2010 1:21 PM

    vickismydogg says:
    Dec 8, 2010 12:12 PM
    Steelygirl (or whatever) not sure what you’re doing. You just said you don’t have a problem with Vick, then go back and say that he violently killed and tortured animals. Ok. Well, first off, he didn’t. He may have known it was going on, but there is no proof he physically did anything himself.
    ==================

    Dude- have any opinion you want, but at least get your facts straight. As part of his plea agreement, Vick was forced to make a statement admitting that actively participated with his own hands in the torture and murder of dogs. The prosecution would not have agreed to the plea deal without this admission being part of the record.

    Second- he admitted in his NFL Network interview with Jim Mora Jr. that he actively participated.

    So again- think whatever you want, but at least make an effort to understand the issue.

  55. saturn1111 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:22 PM

    breeshasabush writes: if you support Vick in any way then u OBVIOUSLY don’t “love dogs” as much as you say or u dont know to the full extent on what he did to these dogs.

    I write: Fine. the next time you eff up big time, and you are truly embarrassed after being exposed, we won’t give YOU a second chance either, no matter how much contrition you perform.

    The only POS people on this thread are the holier than thou ones who don’t believe in redemption. May some twist of fate knock you ALL off your high horses in short order.

  56. saturn1111 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:26 PM

    and another thing:

    not wanting to allow for the possibility that Vick can come back from his crimes against nature is the same thing as not wanting society to improve.

    the holier-than-thou people who won’t forgive Vick REALLY need to take a look in the mirror.

  57. brazy44 says: Dec 8, 2010 1:35 PM

    yea, he’s an example of how the system works, cause all convicted felons are desirable hires for businesses.
    give me a freakin break. if the man didn’t have crazy god given football skills, he’d be unemployed like 99% of the other convicted felons out there.

  58. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 1:36 PM

    packerrube13

    how is any of what im saying “idiocy” point blank my point is Vick doesnt deserve to be in the NFL. You hear every NFL player, coach, exec say “playing in the NFL is not a right”. You want me to go on and name all the players that are a disgrace to the NFL? How much time do you have? Its not bc im “high and Mighty” its bc these ppl are “Gods” to children. Kids literally worship these guys. So they not only have a responsibility to themselves but to the kids who kiss the ground they walk on. And to ME people like Vick shouldnt be a face of a mult-billion organization such as the NFL. If you were the head of a major corporation that flourishes on public image would you choose a convicted felon to be the face of one of its products (the eagles bc hes the qb)? I hope you arent that irresponsible. My WHOLE argument is “HOW MANY TIMES WILL WE ALLOW A PERSON TO F UP BEFORE HE BURNS THE HOUSE DOWN?” This is a guy who knowingly gives women a disease that has no cured (legally documented), tries to sneak illegal drugs on a plane via a water bottle (legally documented), flips the bird to people in the stands with the cameras watching him oh and he tortures domestic pets for fun… how many passes are you willing to give the guy rube?

  59. uziele says: Dec 8, 2010 1:43 PM

    Guys should take a walk around your homes and see how much of your kids toys and electronical crap says Made in China, Korea, Taiwan, or Vietnam. All those countries still eat dog meat. Support or don’t support based off of prior actions but don’t be a hypocrite when I bet somewhere in your house is something that shows that you support an entire national industry filled with people who not only kill, but eat the flesh of the same animals you’re now in an uproar over.

    I’m a professional dog trainer and my family has owned and bred dogs for years, and I could never hurt a dog like that, but all you people on your witch hunts make me wonder about our continued hypocracy as a nation that says one thing but continues to prove we believe otherwise with our allmighty dollar.

  60. billygoat says: Dec 8, 2010 1:56 PM

    steelersmichele says:

    billygoat says: Everyone doen’t violently KILL AND TORTURE.

    “Don’t act all high and mighty–I’m sure you eat meat and those animals are tortured and then killed so you can have a nice steak or lamb chops. So while he did those things directly, you do them indirectly. ”

    So by your definition, since I buy gas for my car I’m indirectly responsible for the oil spill in the gulf.

  61. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 2:01 PM

    Oh please. Plea agreement. I have heard of people forcing suspects into saying they murdered someone when they, in fact, didn’t. Don’t tell me to get my “facts” straight in a case that is surrounded by a bunch of nonsense. There are no facts in this case.

  62. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 2:13 PM

    joetoronto- thank you for having a brain.

    gamustangdude- i think u misunderstand me. Im saying his crime DESERVES larger punishment bc of his past trouble, he obviously had no regard for the law until they FINALLY put him in prison, but the punishment should’ve been more severe so he would be less likely to comitt such crimes without the financial backing (meaning he shouldve gotten more time so he didnt have the chance of jumping right back into football so he could earn millions). If it were a first time thing i would MAYBE (and thats a big maybe) have more understanding ab this issue but he was a constant trouble maker and doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt. take a look at what joetoronto wrote and it confirms my WHOLE argument. Thank you for debating intelligently, nice to debate with a smart person.

    brazy44- nicely put

    saturn1111- thats fine, please point out the next time i kill countless dogs for no reason at all, sneak pot on a plane, consistantly come to work an hour late and leave an hour early (confirmed by vick himself referring to showing up to practices and meetings) when my work contract is worth 100 mil, knowingly give women herpes, etc… when i do those things you have EVERY right to point out my actions but since i abide by laws, dont cheat my employer out of hundreds of millions then i guess im good until then! This isnt about redemption or about second chances bc this guy had his second chance 6 chances ago, this is about not having a guy like Vick exploit the NFL and America for that fact! hes had chance after chance and he has consistantly screwed up but he still gets more chances bc hes an extremely amazing athlete… its about holding people accountable for their actions. And like i said when I do the things he does please…. throw your stones but dont hold your breath.

  63. cjspiller12 says: Dec 8, 2010 2:16 PM

    packerrube13 says:
    Dec 8, 2010 10:43 AM
    smellmyballs says:
    Dec 8, 2010 10:36 AM
    Vick is scum. Any one who roots for him is a POS
    ————————————————
    This coming from a guy with not only a really classy, mature name; but also one that I can only assume has never made a mistake. We thank you for your contributions to society and never doing anything wrong. We look up to you “Smellmyballs.”
    _______________________
    Funniest post of the day, I’m still laughing my balls off, Ha!!!!!

  64. rabidbillsfan says: Dec 8, 2010 2:31 PM

    @bleedeaglegreen

    How many “pathological liars” do you know that have gone to prison? Or should i say how many “pathological liars” do you know? If you answred those questions with a “0″ or a “No” then you are a Hypocrite, and you sir may be the “pathological liar” you speak of.

    @ joetoronto

    You are so smart, im so very glad you used “wikipedia” to cite your sources… Why dont you run for President of Canada?

    @ Everyone Else

    I dont understand why this post turned into “I’m not the hypocrite, you are!”. Because actually, if you think about it, as sports fans we are all hypocrites. If your a Steelers Fan , look at Big Ben/James Harrison/Jeff Reed. If your a Colts fan, look at Pat McCaffe/Mike Vanderjagt(?). If your a Packers/Vikings fan, look at Brett Favre (Addiction to pain killers/Jenn Sterger). If your a Bills fan, myself included, we must live with the infamous OJ, and the list goes on and on. Some people who are posting really aren’t making much sense, and making fools of themselves. I am not an Eagles fan, however it is good to see our legal system work on such a “High Profile” player,he seems to have turned his life around. But, essentially with one slip up, is back in the pen. Yes he wasn’t held up to the same standard as the average Joe, however, who is? If you personally know a police officer, if you drop his/her name you get special treatment. If you know the owner of a Bussiness, you will get the perks. This is football, its supposed to be entertaining. Michael Vick is Entertaining, I would say enjoy it while it lasts, instead of Bi**hing about “equal rights” and pointing fingers. And please, PLEASE, keep the bible out of any further comments, you really make yourself look ignorant!

  65. demolition510 says: Dec 8, 2010 2:39 PM

    So how exactly does this translate into him being a fan? If anything he’s happy that he turned his life around and wishes him more success

  66. steelersmichele says: Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM

    Vick has a job because he’s an athlete. If he was a singer, he’d have a recording contract. An actor, he’d be on a televison show or in movies.

    Yes, the average Joe who got in trouble for the same thing would probably still be in jail and would have a hard time finding a good job after he got out of jail. Those people mentioned above are treated differently than the average Joe for more reasons that we can mention here. It’s not right or wrong–it’s just the way it is.

  67. hobartbaker says: Dec 8, 2010 2:49 PM

    “Better this than having him panhandling on the streets. To raise money to buy gasoline to firebomb my house with.”.

  68. realitypolice says: Dec 8, 2010 2:59 PM

    vickismydogg says:
    Dec 8, 2010 2:01 PM
    Oh please. Plea agreement. I have heard of people forcing suspects into saying they murdered someone when they, in fact, didn’t. Don’t tell me to get my “facts” straight in a case that is surrounded by a bunch of nonsense. There are no facts in this case.
    ==============

    So why did he tell Jim Mora in an interview just last month that he participated in activities at the kennel on a daily basis in the offseason?

    Before I would have cut you some slack as just being misinformed. Now it’s obvious your nothing but an ignorant Vick apologist who doesn’t really care what he did.

    Thanks for clearing that up for all of us.

  69. jmt8251 says: Dec 8, 2010 3:01 PM

    here we go with the trolls that copyand paste Vick’s info from internet. Some true some half true let look up joetoronto and see what he has done in his wanna be spotless life. Wow so many perfect folks posting on this site, wonder how they would feel if God showed just one day of their hateful miserable life. Mad at God for blessing him with the skills he has, mad at God for forgiving him again and again. Mad at God for giving him the means to support his family and pay his debts. They are not mad at Vick they are mad at God. Why don’t you ask God to forgive you of your sins and ask him to bless you, He is faithful to forgive us of our sins. If you don’t believe it try it. He did it for me. Most of these hateful women have had abortions and don’t think one thing about it. Some of these people have hurt or abused other humans and don’t think anything about it. They can love a sick person like Brett Farve who exposes himself to young women and has affairs with other women while his wife is battling cancer. They can love and forgive Roger Clemons and Roman Polanski for the sadistic things they have done to underage girls. Michael Vick was wrong for what he did. He did every bit of the time they gave him in a real prison. Paid the millions of dollars he was told to pay to take care of those dogs and he did and should have. He is not the face of dog fighting this has been gone on before this man was born and it started in England. He has a responsibility to help change the culture of the kids who look up to him, they are not listening to anything that you are saying. Most of you have no clue what your kids are doing while you are worrying about Mr. Vick. He is not responsible for every dog out there that is abused and in a shelter. He is doing his part and more. In case you did not know he does not have to do the speeches. Yes it makes him look better since he is doing it, but like you said you don’t believe him. The kids do and if he can stop one kid from going down that road of violence he has done more than anybody on this website has done. This country is not far removed from its bloody past to call anyone any names I have witnessed what humans can do when they hate for no reason. So don’t act so righteous your parents or maybe even you have taken someones life and did not do one day of time. I love animals, I hate any type of violence. I’m glad he got his head on straight and his life together. I will always chose a man’s life over an animal. He deserves the chance he is getting and nothing you lunatics can say will change my mind. I had to forgive you for what you did to my ancestors and I moved on.

  70. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 3:04 PM

    @breeshasabush

    Again, you are wrong. What joetoronto gave us is nothing more than rants from Wikipedia (There’s a valid source there)

    At the end of the day, allegations are just those, allegations. Vick was guilty of participating in a gambling ring in which dogs were killed, whatever. He paid his time and life moves on. Stop living in the past, or keep doing it and really show us how pathetic your life is. I don’t care. I forgive him, even if you don’t.

    Was Vick found guilty of stealing a watch? No
    Was he found guilty of passing out herpes like free cheese? No
    Did he have illegal substances on a plane? No
    He flipped off some Fans, Oh freaking well.
    Even his mother (who was around his whole life unlike his father) said there was no dog fighting going on. So just like you can believe his father, who was never around, and not believe his mother, I can do the opposite. Bottom Line, do some research, formulate your own opinions, and then comment you don’t have to be joetoronto’s puppet.

  71. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 3:11 PM

    @rabidbillsfan

    PLEASE, keep the bible out of any further comments, you really make yourself look ignorant!
    =================================
    That’s assuming you undestand the meaning of the word “Ignorant”

    If you can give examples of Brett Farve, I can give excerpts from the bibile. However, I didn’t. But the next time we post a comment we’ll be sure to ask for your opinion first. Tool!

  72. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 3:14 PM

    @ hobartbaker says:
    Dec 8, 2010 2:49 PM
    “Better this than having him panhandling on the streets. To raise money to buy gasoline to firebomb my house with.”.

    —————————–

    haha love it! isnt it funny that we can even make joke like this about a NFL QB bc there is a slim possibility that he could do it!

    When it comes down to it this is just a reflection of how bad philly is. Yeah Vick is racking up fantasy points but until he wins something worth talking about, save ur breath. He’ll blow it when it matters most… just ask ATL! Im hoping the champs get to play him in the playoffs so Greg Williams can have his way with him.

  73. steelersmichele says: Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM

    billygoat says: So by your definition, since I buy gas for my car I’m indirectly responsible for the oil spill in the gulf.

    Yep. And so am I. None of us really cared what BP did to get the oil–as long as we could go to the gas station and fill up our car. We pay a ton of money for gas and they find cheaper ways to get richer. Not saying it’s right, but we still support the vicious cycle.

    The truth is, until he got caught, none of us cared about what Vick was doing off the field. We all knew what his background was, where he grew up. But as long as he was performing on the field, we didn’t care whether or not he “left” that life behind.

    Famous people will always get a pass when you and I won’t. We can call them names, say they shouldn’t be playing, demand they go to jail–but in the end we want our team to win and we really don’t care how it happens. Vick and Philly, Ben and Pittsburgh, Lewis and Baltimore. We’re all indirectly responsible.

  74. packerrube13 says: Dec 8, 2010 3:35 PM

    @breeshasabush,

    So Vick doesn’t deserve a second chance for hurting animals, but Ray Lewis, Stallworth, Big Ben, and Kobe do? Kobe and Big Ben most likely raped women, and the other two KILLED humans, not dogs. Why are you so against Vick redeeming himself? The true story and answer will be found after he gets his big contract again… Then the answer will be known, whether he is changed. Until then, accept him as the changed man that he seems to be, and there is no material evidence to prove otherwise. IT was over three years ago last he did any of that, or four years even. SO it is time to move on. And let him be, until he gives you a reason to believe otherwise. Even Dungy vouches for him…

  75. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 3:44 PM

    @realitycheck

    I never said he wasn’t active in it. Of course he was. He made decisions about which dogs to fight and which dogs should be killed. How MUCH involvement he had in the actual “brutal murders” of the dogs, we will never know. But we do all know that he was very active in the ring.

    But what is this really all about? Who cares? It all comes back to this… whether or not you want to call it a “mistake”, he did something in his life that he has since, I think, realized was very wrong. He came out of prison and did all the right things to try and redeem himself. Apparently, that is not enough. Because he has done something wrong in his life, he deserves to lie in a gutter dead, while his fiance raises their two daughters on her own. Because of what he did, other people have to suffer for the rest of their lives? You’re forgetting that there is a family involved here. Yes, I am aware of the whole “pay for your father’s sins” deal, but I believe someone asked to keep bible BS out of this.

    What he told Jim Mora sounds vague to me. And the last thing people want to hear out of his mouth is denial. They want to hear, yes I did this and I am sorry and I am ready to deal with the consequences, which he already has.

    If I fall into the category of “you know what, I don’t care what Vick did, I like football” then so be it. If I choose to remain “ignorant” (which seems to be the popular word on here today) then I will, because in this case ignorance is bliss to me. I am a huge fan of Michael Vick and maybe I don’t really care to know the whole truth.

    Before you dismiss me as someone who does not care about animals, let me assure you that is false. I am a vegetarian and an animal rights activist. I could go on about how I donate on a regular basis to various animal rights charities, but that would make me sound like a racist person who defends himself by saying he has black friends. So I won’t.

    Lastly, I would like to add that because of my husband’s involvement with the franchise, we attend the yearly Christmas parties and the annual family bbq at the Lurie’s. This past summer at the bbq, I saw Vick walk by me holding each of his daughters’ hands, walking around enjoying the various kids’ entertainment they had set up. He looked at me, smiled very warmly, then looked at my 3 year old daughter and gave her the same smile. What I saw there was a man who was truly appreciative of the chance he has been given. A man who was genuinely enjoying his life again. He looked like he was happy to be enjoying the things that he had once taken for granted, and never realized just how big the consequences of his actions would be. (ie, missing out on precious time with his children) So talk all the sh*t you want. But that man deserves everything he has, and he has worked hard to earn it. So leave the freaking guy alone already.

  76. kimcon22000 says: Dec 8, 2010 3:47 PM

    I don’t like Vick because he plays for the cesspool that is Philly. The only thing worse are their moronic “fans.”
    Everyone posting here is an idiot that should not be allowed to procreate.
    Dumbasses ………………..

  77. jmt8251 says: Dec 8, 2010 3:48 PM

    Well one thing for sure hate him or love him. You can’t stop him. Michael Vick leads all Pro Bowl voting with 729,838 votes. Keep Voting here!
    So it looks like the haters are in the minority again.

  78. vickismydogg says: Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM

    @kimcon22000 (got enough numbers there?)

    So… you posted on here. Guess that makes you a dumbass idiot who shouldn’t have children.

  79. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 4:01 PM

    gamustangdude…. u cant really be serious!! so either ur saying he didnt commit those crimes or its his fathers fault???? Ur not making sense and ur making urself look stupid.

    A- He admitted detail by detail what his role in the dogfights were and they were NOT just gambling. They were graphic asmissions on not only how he killed them but on which methods he used in order to torture them up until the details how how he delt with their lifeless corpses. Disturbing!

    B- It is documented that Mike Vick A.K.A. Ron Mexico had contracted Herpes in Mexico (hence the nick name) and then passed it to a female without notifying her. If he hadn’t settled with her out of court (which is an admission of some guilt if it isnt why give her a large sum of money to keep quiet) he would’ve been found guilty.

    C- although he didnt physically take the watch he surrounded himself with morons who do that sort of thing, got the falcons orgnization involved and had their “guy” try to fix it rather than let the legal system do its job… how do u not remember this?

    D- Mike Vick admitted his Pot problems in a post prison interview, he also blamed his actions on “the people i chose to surround myself with” and to “the culture i was raised in”… a sort of passive admission of guilt (i did do it buuuuuut…)

    So ur saying that just because he was only “convicted” of the dogfighting fiasco that means that the other trouble he got into (which he later admitted himself) doesnt mean anything bc he wasnt convicted by a court of law… his money has gotten him out of trouble time and time again.. u sound more like an awful defense lawyer rather than someone who has sense. Ur also saying his father was lying when he spoke up years before he actually got caught? Thats a pretty amazing story “my son is fighting dogs” (which ur saying isnt true bc he wasnt around) and then the FBI just happens to find a dog concentration camp in his back yard 4 years later… quite a coincidence!….. it looks like Ive done more research than u so please shut up bc whatever good points u had u just completely ruined by what u just wrote u idiot (and i usually dont call ppl that).

    Next u know you’ll be saying “it wasnt his fault. He didnt have a father and he grew up in the projects, he just didnt know any better because he grew up in a not so swell neighborhood. Its societies fault that hes like this he surely cannot be to blame for his own actions!” I hope Vick meets your girlfriend/wife one day (when you manage to get one) and she ends up giving you the gift that keeps on giving, then we’ll see if u still wanna tea bag him then.

  80. breeshasabush says: Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM

    vickismydog said it……… “So talk all the sh*t you want. But that man deserves everything he has, and he has worked hard to earn it.”

    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT… hes earned every bit of sh*t ppl say to/about him. Im just so amazed at how ppl can just brush aside what he did. These are sick, twisted, unthinkable crimes that he committed. One psycologist in a 20/20 piece compared his actions to those of an early warning signs of some of the worlds worst serial killers. Calling it “a graduation from improper thoughts to the beginning stages to sociopathic activity”

    “I saw Vick walk by me holding each of his daughters’ hands, walking around enjoying the various kids’ entertainment they had set up. He looked at me, smiled very warmly, then looked at my 3 year old daughter and gave her the same smile.”…. they said the same thing about Ted Bundy.

  81. joetoronto says: Dec 8, 2010 5:08 PM

    All I did was post facts, are we still allowed to do that???

  82. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 5:10 PM

    Again, I see there’s no point in arguing with assclowns, but I’ll say it one more time for it to sink in.

    1. He was found guilty as an adult. His dad was speaking on his childhood. Guess what? His father wasn’t around during his childhood, so him speaking on it, is kind of like me speaking on the sexual revolution of the 70s, even though I was born in the 80s.

    2. A random women ACCUSED Vick? Nothing was proven, it’s ASSUMED that he gave her herpes; assumptions are not concrete evidence assclown.

    3. You said enough for me when you said…”although he didn’t physically take the watch…”

    4. You want to crucify him for smoking pot, go ahead. I’ll be in line with him. Friends bought drugs in a car he owns. He wasn’t there assclown.

    Dog concentration camp? Really?

    I’ll tell you what, after you rid yourself of all the snowberries you eat and the fairies stop telling you bedtime stories as you watch the unicorns grazing in your back yard maybe you’ll come back to reality.

    In the mean time continue to make ignorant ass comments that I will continue to laugh at. Bottom line you have no idea what you are talking about and at the end of the day, who gives a flying fu&k what you think. You’re not going to change my mind. You’re probably some random guy who got picked on in high school by all the jocks, and now lives his revenge fantasies out by coming online bagging athletes. Maybe they “tea bagged” you a couple of times in high school (bringing back memories I bet). Well unlike you I’ll have the last word as I take my name off the “automatic update list” I will not check this site again. You however will and read my comments and post a response, I won’t read.

    Have Fun living in “La La” land. Assclown.

  83. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 5:15 PM

    One last thing before i’m truly gone,

    “Im just so amazed at how ppl can just brush aside what he did. These are sick, twisted, unthinkable crimes that he committed.”

    At the end of the day, there are dogs, that’s why.

  84. gamustangdude says: Dec 8, 2010 5:20 PM

    *they are dogs*, simple mistake but you get my drift, right assclown?

  85. saturn1111 says: Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM

    I call BS on the egregious use of the word “assclown” in this thread. It used to be a novelty. Now every PFT-commenting hack uses it.

    hey, breeshasabush, thanks for responding to my post. The *quantity* of chances Vick has been given wasn’t really my point, however. My point was this: if your $hit is so lacking of stink (which apparently you think it is), and you’re so displeased with Vick’s reinstatement and return to form on the gridiron, then what would YOU have society do with him once he has paid his debt?

    Be careful how you answer…your previous posts suggests that if you speak your true mind, you run the risk of wishing ill for him, which I’m sure you realize, would make things *worse,*not better.

    I’m all ears….

  86. vickismydogg says: Dec 9, 2010 11:40 AM

    @breeshasabush

    You’re an idiot. I get where you were trying to be witty there, but I was clearly referring to the good things Vick has and deserves. That wasn’t even funny. It was quite stupid, actually.

    It’s ok. We all know what your deal is. You, along with all the other Vick haters. So just go home, sit down on your old couch with holes in it, grab a beer (if you can afford it) and continue on living your mediocre life, watching Vick on TV making millions of dollars and being extremely successful, then get back on here and bitch some more about how it’s not fair.

    Oh and comparing Vick to Ted Bundy? Who are you?

  87. themonkeyman says: Dec 11, 2010 11:35 AM

    All the vick supporters remember this:

    He has stayed out of trouble since June. Thats a huge accomplishment for Mike Vick. Vick will always be the guy that killed & hurt animals & was selfish enough to spread VD. He will always be the guy that plea bargained his way down from the jail times he really deserved. He will always be debated & his acts will never be forgotten no matter what he accomplishes on a football field..
    Everything breeshasabush wrote is correct. Go ahead & build up this career criminal (yes career criminal – brutalizing animals for senseless enterainment, failing drug tests, spreading herpes, failing to pay creditors, people getting shot at his parties, lying to anyone & everyone afterwards – especially now). The Vick supporters only know their “love” for Vick, yes serial killers started torturing & killing animals as some one made reference to when he was a kid. If you read a little about what people that abuse animals are capable of, you would have found out that most serial killers first tortured animals so Vicks warm smile means nothing. You truly believe a warm smile from someone that tortured animals, is & has always been a pathetic liar, has infected women with a disease they cannot cure is sincere? Then you are on this board questioning the intelligence of others? Seriously? It’s ridiculous to even bring up some meaningless smile from a career criminal. .
    This guy will be in trouble again, that is fact & once he is, all of the Vick supporters will once again scream how it isn’t his fault, he was railroaded, they are accusations. It’s never this sector of societies fault, always blaming others. Vick supporters love to call others names & get them to go away with flawed logic & abuse. Jason Whitlock put it best over the summer with his words about Vick. He’s a disappointment & an embarrassment but some are & will always show him blind loyality that unless he is your family, he doesn’t deserve.
    As for gamustangdude, you have to know him personally for you to so passionately defend him as you do. Maybe he’s part of your family, maybe you’re a part of his inner circle but to say he did nothing wrong, thats just foolish. You would have to be saying the things you say due to a personal connection. You better hope if you ever get in trouble, Vick supports you as you support him. Unfortunately with a guy like Mike Vick, you are probably going to be out of luck if that ever happens – people selfish enough to infect women with herpes & to make animals suffer for fun aren’t the best of people to passionately defend as you do. But you already know what kind of person Vick is, you just with your admirable misplaced loyalty refuse to see it.

  88. vickismydogg says: Dec 11, 2010 12:30 PM

    This is so dumb. Anyone is capable of committing a murder. People you least expect. People commit murders on a whim. You can’t sit here and point the finger at Vick for something he has never done. I hope you understand how crazy all you people sound. “Oh, you don’t care that he killed dogs? Well he’s capable of murdering a human! What do you say to that?? He hasn’t! But he could!”

    Seriously. Shut up.

  89. gamustangdude says: Dec 11, 2010 12:42 PM

    @themonkeyman

    Another idiot joins in.

    i never said what he did wasn’t wrong, i’ve always argued the KNOWN FACTS.

    1. It is NOT a fact that he spread herpes to multiple women. ONE WOMEN claimed that he gave her herpes, they settled out of court. And we haven’t heard anyone else step up right? 1 women claims it, how come others didn’t step up also if he so called “spread the disease” to multiple women. There’s just no proff of that.

    2. There are no FACTS from his childhood. His father claimed that Vick was hurting animals as a child. But guess what, HE WAS NEVER AROUND. How the hell does he know? His mother said nothing was going on, but YOU PEOPLE chose to not believe her, and believe his father, who was never around, simply because it fits your argument.

    3. I don’t know Vick any more than most bloggers on here. I believe in paying for your crimes, and then you move. If you want to brand him forever for what he’s done. Go ahead, as a christian (if you claim that you are) it’s against christianity to do that. That’s where my morales are. Where are yours? Using you logic, you will always be branded as a sinner and a liar. Because given that none of us are perfect, we all carry our faults on our back.

    It’s as simple as that.

    Now when your end comes will you ask forgiveness for what you’ve done? watch how you answer, because if the answer is yes you are a hypocrite. If you can’t forgive Vick, Why should YOU be forgiving? Think about that before you respond.

  90. themonkeyman says: Dec 11, 2010 2:01 PM

    @ vickismydog
    Murder & serial killing are completely different things, no kidding might be a good thought to instead of trying to read peoples warm smiles, you do some real research. Besides, how about a warm smile for a non believer? talk about being unintenionally funny, that takes the cake.

    @gamustangdud
    I never claimed to be anything. What you are is clear though. Someone that judges others for not believing Vick. If his father is such a no good pathetic liar as well, maybe now we know where Mike Vick learned it. Wait a sec, Mike Vick admitted to torturing animals, so maybe it was his dad was telling the truth & it’s holier than thou Mom you keep potificating about that tought Mike Vick to be the lousy individual he grew up to be. The facts are the facts – He admitted it.

    The facts are the facts, he spread herpes. To one women after getting treatment or to 10 women, he spread it knowing he had it. Is he a better guy since it was the wone woman instead of multiples? No sure of your point there. That is a fact of his behavior, he believed he could do as he pleased no matter what or who it hurt. Vick will always be the guy that killed & hurt animals & was selfish enough to spread VD. He will always be the guy that plea bargained his way down from the jail time he really deserved. He will always be debated & his acts will never be forgotten no matter what he accomplishes on a football field. No mater how many times you try & bible verse away those facts man.

    As for forgiveness, thats up to the individual, not someone that spouts bible verses & judges others also. You judge non vick supporters as they judge Vick but somehow you are holier than them because you are apparantly doing gods work by sticking up for vick. Also my post said he would never be forgotten for his acts, never mentioned forgiveness, you assume what people are saying instead of reading words, but that isn’t like any other Vick supporter, so busy trying to show this guy so undeserving of it loyalty they cannot stop & hear anything else.

    By the Vick supports “standards” of conduct, if you have a warm smile & say the right things, claim to be sorry (even though you have a history of being a liar at every turn), even if you have done things that qualify you as a scum of the earth, you are now rehabiliated. Do you guys stick up for other violent criminals also? Or just ones you have personal relationships with & warm smiles.

    As for you guys calling people names, I am sure it’s taken from where it comes. People call others idiot & hypocrite when they run out of things for bolster their arguement. Keep calling guys, claiming he is “owed forgiveness” since he has a warm smile. Seriously though vickismydog “Warm smiles” – that may be, without meaning to be, the funniest thing I have ever read here.

  91. vickismydogg says: Dec 11, 2010 4:39 PM

    @themonkeyman

    Even better. Last I checked, Vick wasn’t a serial killer either. Blah, blah, blah… before you even start with the dog thing. I get it. Dog fighting does not make him a serial killer. Not sure what you were bantering on about in the rest of the paragraph, but sure, why not.

  92. gamustangdude says: Dec 11, 2010 4:44 PM

    @themonkeyman

    Well From now on I’ll only respond when you start doing some research instead of reading headlines. There’s no point in arguing with people ignorant on the topic. But believe what you want to believe.

  93. vickismydogg says: Dec 11, 2010 4:51 PM

    Also, if you committed a crime, would you honestly say, “No, no plea bargain will be necessary. I did what I did, and I deserve this time in prison.” Wake up. Of course he would agree to a plea bargain.

    Until you go commit a crime, go to jail for 2 years, almost lose everything you’ve had, and the be given a second chance, you have no room to doubt if Vick is genuine. You can’t sit here and say he isn’t. It is not fair to him. You don’t know him. Same could be said for me believing he is a changed man, but at least I am being positive about the situation and not coming in here and pissing all over everyone’s parade.

    Hater. That is what you are. Plain and simple. You just hate.

    But you like dogs, obviously.

  94. themonkeyman says: Dec 11, 2010 9:18 PM

    @vickismydogg
    You are giving people a hard time on a subject a few posts above admit you don’t know the things Vick did. You admit you do not want to know. But you are here telling people that do know about his acts of cruelty how to feel & what to think. Wow, you have no clue on the subject except his warm smile & call other people idiots. Then a hater…but you Vick supporters are never reverse haters, nope only one mission, to make the world believe he is a good person due to a few passing facial expressions. Even when you admit you have no clue what you are ranting about.

    @gamustangdude
    The vickismydog chick admits she is ignorant on the subjects we disagree on. Why aren’t you railing on her? She admits doing no research but you have none of the hate for her you have for me. We both know why, she is a fellow Vick supporter so anything she says, as long as it it pro Vick is cool cause she’s behind & reppin your cause. I notice the part on judging others went unanswered, not much defense for fact, like the facts on Mike Vicks behavior.

    These two are quite the duo, they make you smile warmly when thinking of Vick defenders – one admits she has done no reasearch & wants to remain ignorant on Vicks acts but still wants to shout down on a subject she knows others are more educated on than her. All because of a smile. The other one rails on others & calls them ignorant & childish names, spouts the bible & then when there are people that actually admit to being ignorant on the subject of Mike Vick spout off here, ignore the admitted ignorance since they are for his cause & then calls other peoples behavior hypocritical.

    Vick will always be the guy that killed & hurt animals & was selfish enough to spread VD. He will always be the guy that plea bargained his way down from the jail time he really deserved. He will always be the guy that had & blew a 130M dollar contract through complete utter stupidity & some dark ghoul like behavior. He will always be debated & his acts will never be forgotten no matter what he accomplishes on a football field. Might as well accept it.

    out

  95. famucancer says: Dec 12, 2010 10:49 AM

    Poor lil monkeyman…so bitter. LOL

    you need to take an exlax and let that sh*t go.

  96. themonkeyman says: Dec 12, 2010 11:12 AM

    famucancer says:
    Dec 12, 2010 10:49 AM
    Poor lil monkeyman…so bitter. LOL

    you need to take an exlax and let that sh*t go.

    ————————–

    Can always count on famucancer showing up with absolutely nothing to say. Tries to be witty, always misses the mark & makes himself look foolish – never sees it, keeps trying. Maybe one day something of stubstance will find it’s way out, like a blind squirrel finding a nut….maybe.

  97. dallassux says: Dec 12, 2010 5:37 PM

    I don’t like Vick because he plays for the cesspool that is Philly. The only thing worse are their moronic “fans.”
    Everyone posting here is an idiot that should not be allowed to procreate.
    Dumbasses ………………..

    LMAO. Sooo classy! Some people on here are too much.

  98. dallassux says: Dec 12, 2010 5:42 PM

    I’m glad vick is doing good, i hate the Eagles and Vick, and its way more fun to trash these losers when they fall then they if they continuously suck.

    its much better to watch all the fans get their hopes up and get shot down!

    its so great to know the Eli had more clutch in two minutes than the entire Eagles team has had for decades!

    GO GMEN!

    5 wins in a row against the gay-men…..soon to be six. It must suck losing to that awful eagles team. Tough decade for the eagles I guess. Including 2 playoffs wins against the gay-men.

  99. themonkeyman says: Dec 12, 2010 6:54 PM

    @ dallassux

    Typical Eagle fan – calling other teams fans classy then calling a nfl team the gay-men.

    All the while giving standing ovations to someone that is a convicted animal torturer & killer for senseless fun, herpes spreading poor excuse for a human being like Vick. Let’s not leave out booing someone that has been the absolute example of class like Donovan McNabb.

    Philadelphia fans sure do know classy behavior, maybe you’ll intentionally puke on some Cowboy fans child tonight or cheer a opposing player being taken off on a bodyboard dallassux.

    Some people on here certainly are too much.

  100. alltimeballa says: Dec 12, 2010 8:29 PM

    @themonkeyman

    It is apparent that you believe yourself to be more than you really are in that you think you can hold anyone captive to their past. If holding people to their past were possible, you would still be talked about for taking a crap in your pants when you were younger. You represent what is the best of the hypocrisy of America and the power that the media has to make us voice a strong opinion no matter how ignorant it really is. Mike Vick killed dogs…..that is a terrible story line but allow me to shed a little light on that story line if I may. Vick didn’t kill poodles he killed pitbulls. Don’t get me wrong, I am a dog owner and would never intentionally hurt my Rottie but when I listen to the media, pitbulls are the “worst” and “most dangerous” dogs to own. People get arrested for their pitbull attacking their children or their neighbors on a regular basis. Have you ever tried to get home owners insurance and tell them that you own a pitbull? I’ll tell you that it is nearly impossible. We have been inundated with the idea that the worst dog you can own is a Pit. Maybe instead of hating Vick for his terrible act you should see how his action made people see a breed of dog differently, oh nevermind, it wasn’t really about the dogs for most, including the Falcons. It is a fact that dog fighting goes on in The NFL!! This was about the nightmare that Mike Vick had become for those who have a “European” view of a NFL quarteback. Mike Vick had become the face of not only the Falcons but The NFL, Madden and many others had his likeness plastered EVERYWHERE. This guy who wasn’t the “smartest” quarterback and didn’t spend the time he should have to really learn the position of quarterback had become the FACE of FOOTBALL. You can’t forgive him for killing the dog that THE MEDIA says is the worst dog ever because that same media has now painted Vick to be less than human. His actions were terrible. He paid for them and has not stopped paying for one day since it came to light. No person can be summed up by one action in their lives no matter how bad the act. Even though my opinion of your response is that you show ignorance, I won’t hold that against you so let me leave you alone so you can go kiss your dog in the mouth.

  101. jeff65340 says: Dec 13, 2010 7:22 AM

    Jesus Christ, we are a sad country anyways…..people can get more time from killing an animal than for killing a human

  102. themonkeyman says: Dec 13, 2010 10:08 AM

    @alltimeballa

    What are you trying to insinuate with your “it’s not about animals, even in Atlanta” rant? If you have something to say, just say it. Don’t stand behind references.

    Boo Hoo, forget what Mike Vick did is what Vick defenders say, the real tragedy is that people won’t forget Mike Vick intentionally tortured animals with his own hands then killed them with that torture or won’t forget Mike Vick knowing spread herpes or won’t forget Mike Vick has always been a pathological liar.

    He has no one to blame for that but himself, no matter how many of you want to submit him for sainthood for his apparent rehabilitation. Keep shouting others down Vick supporters, keep calling others names, but nothing changes what Mike Vick is. This isn’t about forgiveness, it’s about his own heinous acts that he will always be remembered for, no matter how many games he wins, people will always look at Mike Vick & remember his sick acts for fun.

  103. fellorio says: Dec 13, 2010 11:06 AM

    @bleedeaglegreen

    I’m so sorry you have been “abused” by “Vickies”.

    Maybe those experiences have destroyed your ability to realize that forgiveness is a function of your heart. Proof and skepticism are functions of your brain.

    Here’s hoping someone someday gives you some love, so that your heart becomes capable of forgiving someone else’s failings.

  104. fellorio says: Dec 13, 2010 11:17 AM

    @themonkeyman
    “He has no one to blame for that but himself ”
    ———————————————————-
    Do you believe the Vick is blaming someone else for his crimes, etc.?

    I don’t know whether you care or not, but you are trying to spread the false implication that Vick blames others for his personal hell that he created by his actions.

  105. gamustangdude says: Dec 13, 2010 12:32 PM

    @themonkeyman

    “the real tragedy is that people won’t forget Mike Vick intentionally tortured animals with his own hands then killed them with that torture or won’t forget Mike Vick knowing spread herpes or won’t forget Mike Vick has always been a pathological liar.”

    It’s obvious you are real passionate about keeping everyone informed on what Vick has done. Everyone knows the dog issues, however (read please)…
    IF ONE women CLAIMS Mike Vick gave her herpes, THAT’s NOT SPREADING IT AROUND. You know why? Because those ALLEGATIONS have NOT been CONFIRMED. Give 1 piece of evidence where those allegations are confirmed. 1, that’s all I’m asking is for 1. (Trust me you can’t).

    If you have trouble understanding that, go back over and read the capitalized words.

    The sad part is, you want people to remember. Ok, I don’t praise Vick for what he’s done in the past. I believe in Second Chances (Even If you don’t) And Everything so far (<— key) shows that Vick has learned his lesson, and we should all move on. Stay here and Cry all the horrible "Vickisms" you want. But he did pay for them, and now we move on.

    Bottom line, get a life please. Or don't and Post a response.

  106. alltimeballa says: Dec 13, 2010 2:25 PM

    @themonkeyman

    No one has said “forget what Mike did” we are just saying that life goes on and people deserve second chances. You are responding like one of the dogs he killed was your childhood pet and that the “ONE” girl that reported got herpes from him was your prom date. Get over it!

  107. themonkeyman says: Dec 13, 2010 8:40 PM

    @gamustangdude
    Your opinion is that he didn’t spread it around, fact is, whether it’s one woman or 10, it’s still spreading it. You want to believe Vick paid that woman off for nothing, he “gave” her that settlement out of court because she has a “warm smile”. Speaking of warm smiles, it’s interesting how you want to jump all over everything I say but ignore people posting that admit are uneducated but side with that “we should forget what mike Vick did” stance of yours. It’s your opinion that Vick has “paid for them” in regards to his acts, doesn’t mean others have to agree. Some people understand that if he didn’t have such a jock sniffing excuse for a prosecutor, he would have done 10 years for his extensive acts of cruelty alone. Some people understand he got off easy with his cushy 2 year sentence. Ya know, all that energy & love you have in your heart for Mike Vick should really go to someone much more deserving of it, you are wasting it & along with your loyalty.

    @alltimeballa
    You made a reference man, I responded. Is freedom of speech only for you? Plaxico made a mistake, Dante made a mistake, Gilbert Arenas made a mistake. Six years of something done multiple times weekly (by his own admission) as sick as torturing animals for fun, isn’t a mistake. Getting out of prison is a second chance, playing in the NFL is a second chance. People still have a right to say how they view torturing animals for fun & giving ONE (lol) other person VD, as you certainly tell others you disagree with your views. How about you get over others having a different view of Mike Vick than you do.

    @fellorio
    My point is, the things he did & the way others feel about them are his own fault. People that support Vick want to blame people that understand what kind of people have fun abusing animals & speak out about it. This is sick behavior. It wasn’t a mistake, it’s ghoulish to actually enjoy torturing & inflicting pain to any creature already wounded & hurt because you get some sort of thrill from it. That type of cruelty is almost inhuman, no matter what type of creature is absorbing that torture. Add into it being so entitled as to seek treatment for herpes under an assumed name & then to knowing you had it, give it/spread it to someone else? And the posts here blame others for “pissing on peoples parades”, instead of seeing this is & was Vicks doing, no one else’s.

  108. gamustangdude says: Dec 13, 2010 10:06 PM

    @themonkeyman

    You’re still missing the point. It’s not one woman, it’s an allegation, not fact. Find me some concrete evidence in there. After you’ve done that, then you can “claim” that he gave her herpes. All you have his her word versus his. How is that concrete evidence? It’s not, and that’s my whole point.

  109. themonkeyman says: Dec 14, 2010 11:23 AM

    Mick Vick is no Elvis, he’s not running around giving away Cadillac’s – Sondra Elliott knows Vick gave her herpes, Mike Vick knew/knows he gave her herpes, most of America understands & knows he gave her herpes, only you refuse to admit Vick gave her herpes. If you choose to continuously refute fact, that it’s up to you but once again it proves the blind loyalty given to Mike Vick. The treatment thing came out after she went public & we all found out he had been treated under the infamous “Ron Mexico” incident. He settled with her knowing he gave it to her, not because he wanted to be a nice guy.

    If you seriously believe he gave her that settlement after receiving treatment for herpes under an assumed name because he didn’t actually infect her, you must be extremely naive. Mike Vick has certainly shown his selfishness in fulfilling his dark yearnings had very little if any boundaries & way too many victims. You can keep claiming he didn’t do these things all you want but your posts only prove da’ Nile isn’t just a river in Egypt. Hopefully you are not only saving all that blind loyalty for Vick, unfortunately that would really be a shame.

  110. gamustangdude says: Dec 14, 2010 1:48 PM

    Sondra Elliott knows Vick gave her herpes, Mike Vick knew/knows he gave her herpes, most of America understands & knows he gave her herpes, only you refuse to admit Vick gave her herpes.

    It’ s not known, it’s assumed Sondra CLAIMS, Mike KNOWS the truth, most of America ASSUMES.

    I’ll be naive, while you continue to pass off allegations as Fact and look like an Ass. (the key word in Assume)

  111. charliework says: Dec 14, 2010 4:23 PM

    themonkeyman says:
    Dec 13, 2010 8:40 PM
    Dante made a mistake
    ———————————————-

    Uhh, I hardly think that drinking tequila until 7AM and then getting in his Bentley GT with a BAC of 0.12 only to plow into a guy at 50MPH could be classified as a “mistake.”

    Oh, and Stallworth also tested positive for marijuana after the accident. So according to your vilification of Vick for using pot, Stallworth is just as big of a drug lord as you made Vick out to be.

  112. juancorsair says: Dec 14, 2010 8:08 PM

    charliework says:

    Uhh, I hardly think that drinking tequila until 7AM and then getting in his Bentley GT with a BAC of 0.12 only to plow into a guy at 50MPH could be classified as a “mistake.”

    But bankrolling an illicit interstate dogfighting/gambling operation, torturing animals to death and repeatedly lying to everyone about your involvement in said operation for years would be considered one?

    Dante’s actions may be deplorable, but his one-time offense does not necessarily condemn his character as a whole (especially when considering his actions after the fact). However, Vick’s behaviour not only speaks volumes where his character is concerned, but also makes a bold statement about what kind of sick, sociopathic POS he truly is at his core. I have not heard nor read anything to indicate that Stallworth was a chronic drunk driver before his accident, however it goes without saying that had Vick not been caught, he’d still be running Bad Newz Kennelz to this day. The only thing Vick is “sorry” about is getting caught in the first place.

    BIG difference.

  113. themonkeyman says: Dec 14, 2010 9:06 PM

    @ gamustangdude
    NEWS FLASH: ” This just in, there has been many reports of Mike Vick giving settlements to people. Quite the philanthropist that Mike Vick, had a 130M contract & gave VA Tech a whole 10 grand. Quite the large sum for someone with such a small contract. Then of course there’s the story of Sonia Elliott, that poor woman that Vick gave an undisclosed settlement to because some villain infected her with herpes & Mike Vick just felt horrible that happened. He’s well known throughout the free world for coming to the rescue of herpes infected women everywhere! He earns his paycheck just to give those poor women undisclosed settlements for things other guys did! What a humanitarian that Mike Vick is!!”

    See how you sound? He gave her that settlement because he infected her gamustangdude. Mike Vick didn’t give her the money for no reason. Believe what ever you want but if you honestly think the settlement wasn’t for the herpes thing, you truly are naive.

    @ charliework
    You have never gotten into the driver seat of a car after having a few drinks?? Seriously, never? Ok if you say so, but do you understand the meaning of intent? We both know Dante didn’t get in the car to intentionally run that guy over, it was an accident, a mistake. A very serious mistake yes but due to intent, it was an accident. Dante stopped called 911 & manned up immediately.

    Mike Vick intentionally tortured & did it repeatedly for a long time. That’s not a mistake, if Dante had it to do over, bet he would have stayed home. Mike Vick went back & did it over & over & over & over, then he lied about it over & over. Get the difference? BTW, Vick did fail drug tests, but I never “made him out to be a big drug lord”. Think you have your posts mixed up.

  114. gamustangdude says: Dec 14, 2010 10:43 PM

    @themonkeyman

    “See how you sound? He gave her that settlement because he infected her gamustangdude. Mike Vick didn’t give her the money for no reason.”
    ___________________________________

    Whenever you want to throw some facts or evidence in there let me know, I’ll wait. Or are you gonna assume you know the Facts. I forgot “They Settle out of Court” is swedish for “Vick is guilty he gave her money so therefor he gave her herpes.” Right? Is that what you’re saying? Like I siad at the begining, I’m standing buy for some FACTS or EVIDENCE, whichever one you got.

    Without any evidence, you lose this argument.

  115. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 12:45 AM

    You forgot the rest:

    “Believe what ever you want but if you honestly think the settlement wasn’t for the herpes thing, you truly are naive.”

    With your eyes shut & your fingers in your ears, there is no argument.
    Whenever you want to SEE the facts or evidence let us know. They are right these in front of your face. All you need to do is open your eyes. But no way you will ever do that, blind support is all Vick defenders know. Too bad you all pledge so much misplaced trust in an ex-con, sick animal torturing, vd spreading, drug test failing undeserving guy like that. He will disappoint you again.

  116. charliework says: Dec 15, 2010 12:49 AM

    @themonkeyman

    I think you need some clarification about what a mistake is. Forgetting to pick up milk on the way home is a mistake. Leaving the garage door open after you go to work is a mistake. Being legally drunk-and-a-half, getting in your car, turning the ignition and stepping on the gas pedal is a crime anywhere in the U.S. If you don’t understand the severity of the situation, then there are thousands of families of DUI victims who would just love to hear how you value the lives of dogs over those of their loved ones.

    And although I don’t need to answer your question to make you look like an imbecile any further, no, I’ve never had a BAC of 0.12 and thought it would be a good idea to get in my car at 7am after a night of drinking. I’m an adult. I understand the consequences of my actions.

  117. lovedabirds says: Dec 15, 2010 9:15 AM

    @charliework

    More name calling to people that disagree from Vick supporters – How shocking. Never said it was a good idea, obviouslt dante didn’t know he was .012 – Vick knew what he was doing – get it yet?

    You need to understand intent. Mike Vick did what he did intentionally. Dante didn’t. That if have never driven after a few is admoirable for you but slightly unbelievable. But you just continue to claim you don’t understand dante made a mistake & someone that manned up after his mistake & I’ll continue to understand that someone that intentionally tortures for fun is evil to his or thier core. Big difference – but never expect a Vick defender to understand Dante’s unfortunate mistake & Mike Vick intentional cruelty. They are too busy talking to ever listen.

  118. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 10:38 AM

    @vickismydogg

    Who am I? I’m an American Citizen who abides by the Law and doesnt torture defenseless animals for amusment. Its very fair for me to compare Vick to a sociopath (do some research on people who tortue animals and you’ll see similarities in that “warm smile” of Vicks. Sociopaths can appear completely normal to the outside world while comitting the most horrid of crimes) So I’ll go back to sitting on my white leather couch and watch Vick lose in the first round of the playoffs on my 52″ panasonic LED but I wont be drinking beer I’ll crack open some Knob Creek and watch Brees (a REAL hero) show the rest of the NFL how to win a championship!…good call on me being poor though… i hope ur Daughter isnt as stupid as you!

  119. vickismydogg says: Dec 15, 2010 10:47 AM

    Themonkeyman,

    Really? So you need to resort to making up things I never said in order to try and make a useless point? Please go back and reread everything I posted. I never “admitted” to not knowing the facts about this case. I have done plenty of research and am well aware of his involvement. What I did , however say, is that MAYBE I choose to remain ignorant on some of the DETAILS. If your wife admitted to cheating on you, would you sit there and ask her for all the details before you make a decision on whether or not you want to forgive her? Will knowing if he jizzed on her face or not help sway your decision? I know what Vick did. I don’t need a play by play detailed report of it. So again, this just proves you’re an idiot as stated before. Others didn’t jump on me bc they are able to read and saw what I was saying.

  120. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 11:09 AM

    @breeshasabush

    Socipoath. First Tell us where you earned your, psycology degree from. Because if you haven’t, you got as much of a right to call Vick a Sociopath, then I do calling an apple an elephant.

    BTW, If Vick displays characteristics of a Socipoath, then I can say he displays characteristics of a Hero. Disagree? Who the hell cares.

  121. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 11:09 AM

    *psychology*

  122. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 11:13 AM

    @gamustangdude

    actually the fact u respond to my comments proves you “care” what I say otherwise you wouldnt respond. The fact that his dad was right was complete coincidence??? Do you have this type of sympathy for ALL convicted felons? Do you sympathize with rapists, armed robbers, pedaphiles,etc… when they get out of prison bc CLEARLY theyve paid their debt bc they are out of prison! you said it “they’re just dogs”… proves how stupid you are, after having said that maybe u should get in a small enclosed environment with a pittbull whos been trained to kill for entertainment with nothing but your bare hands to defend yourself…see how you like it. These are animal who have irresponsible owners and if you would sit down and research or even watch the 20/20 special on dog fighting maybe youd understand that what Vick did WASN’T a “Mistake” and you’d see how ridiculously cruel and horrible it is! And if you can stomach that and have no remorse and have the same HIGH REGARD for vick after watching that then I would put you in the same sick category as him. You talk about him maning up to what he did… u honestly think if he hadn’t gotten caught that he wouldve quit or he’d be sorry? Let me answer that for you in the form of another question… would Tiger Woods have stopped sleeping with porn stars and models and other gorgeous women and entered “Sex Rehab” had his wife and the public found out??? Get real man

  123. charliework says: Dec 15, 2010 11:21 AM

    @lovedabirds

    Jesus H. Christ. I never once excused Vick for his actions. What I’m trying to prove to people is that Donte Stallworth shouldn’t get a pass. And yes, it’s spelled “Donte.” Do you honestly think that anyone who gets loaded and gets behind the wheel of their car actually intends to hit someone? You can’t possibly be that simple. Do you think every judge looks at each DUI manslaughter case and says, “You must understand that you did a horrific thing, but since you didn’t actually intend to hurt anybody, I’m going to give you 30 days in jail and two years of house arrest.” Stallworth could have and should have faced up to 15 years in prison. 30 days in the clink, by comparison, is a vacation.

    All I’m trying to point out is that more people are outraged by Vick’s actions and sentencing than they are with Stallworth’s. As a result, it makes it seem as though Americans value the lives of dogs more than they do that of a man who had a family.

  124. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 11:30 AM

    vickismydogg

    what u just said to Monkey was without a doubt the dumbest post on this article and there are over 120 of them…. Yes you would want to know if someone was “jizzing” on your wifes face so you could divorce the sh*t out of her. If someone “remained ignorant” to something like that then they are one of the most pathetic losers ever. Thats why people are disagreeing with you bc like you said “you remain ignorant” to what this POS did just bc he can play football…. bet if u were watching the 6 o’clock news and a story like this broke out in your home town “Willie Jackson of podunk has been charged with running an illegal dogfighting ring in which countless dogs were slaughtered for entertainment” you would probably be disgusted and say something like “I hope this sick jerk never sees the light of day ever again”

  125. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 11:34 AM

    @breeshasabush

    1 Last thing,

    and watch Vick lose in the first round of the playoffs on my 52″ panasonic LED but I wont be drinking beer

    Yeah Umm panasonic doesn’t have a 52″ LED TV, they have 50′s and 54 inches not a 52 inch. Maybe your TV is a fakeasonic

  126. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 11:52 AM

    @breeshasabush

    U honestly thinks if he hadn’t gotten caught that he would’ve quit or he’d be sorry?

    Don’t know that, not in his head. However What I do know is that he’s showing signs of being remorseful now. And that’s the important piece, people like you and “themonkeyman” seems to lose grasp of. NOW he’s trying to atone for his mistakes. That I applaud.

  127. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 12:03 PM

    @saturn1111:

    after carefully choosing my reply to you: I would have society do to him what it does to everyone else. Fill out a job app to a place that will pay you next to nothing and check YES to “Have you ever been convicted to a felony?” And if he gets that job and stays out of trouble then KUDOS!!!! But giving him the privledge of playing in the NFL isn’t what he deserves…. he deserves to be treated like the convict that he is and he doesn’t deserve any special treatment. Look up Cecil Collins, that POS never got a second chance nor will he ever in the NFL bc hes still in jail for 15 years (which is fair) but he will get out in 2012 for good behavior… so im guessing its ok to let this guy back on the field too bc hes paid his debt to society…. Before you retort PLEASE read about Cecil “the diesel” Collins and tell me if he deserves to be let back on the field when he gets out (if he wanted to). And if you say No (which you should) then you should also say no to vick as well (they should be held to the same standard)

  128. vickismydogg says: Dec 15, 2010 1:15 PM

    @breehashablahblahblah

    You missed the point. It was an anology. Christ, where do you people come from? Are you too stupid to understand that I know what Vick did. It was messed up and a horrible thing to do. I know what he did. So no, I do not remain “ignorant” to what he did. I again, said I do not care to hear the gory details. And there are people out there who choose to forgive cheaters and also choose not to know details. If you do not know the definition of details, then I can’t help you, sorry. In the end, I’m still going to support Vick. I don’t know why you sit on here trying to prove that he is such a horrible person anymore than I do trying to prove he’s not. Mike Vick killed dogs, he ran a ring, he’s a sick football player, people love him and believe he is sorry. GET OVER IT. No amount of arguing or blogging about his rescued dogs or photos are going to get Vick lovers like me to change their minds. So why are you wasting your time? I’m not trying to get you to like the guy, so why are you trying to get others to hate him?

  129. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 1:43 PM

    gamustangdude:

    I actually minored in psycology At UNO and ab the TV do u wanna bet, or do u wanna tell us where you earned your degree in bestbuy appliances, go into any bestbuy store and you can prove urself wrong (is this what its really come to? u cant make a valid point so you try to google panasonic tv’s.. look a little harder and you’ll see how stupid u really are. if u want i can post the model number for you, jackass! I thought you were “truly done posting” oh and as for being picked ok by jocks, i was scrum half for my High School Rugby team and i didnt pick on anyone so sounds like someone has some issues with jock by bringing up his own bad past with them! Sorry about that, you just give me his name and ill give him a talking to.. feel better?

    so back to Vick, if u have REALLY read anything i said about him you’d see that im not saying the guy cant live his life, he can go right ahead. Im saying its irresponsible to keep on giving this guy more chances and the financial means (playing in the NFL) to do what he pleases when he pleases (thus making him more likely to spiral out of control ONCE AGAIN). The judicial system wouldn’t have been so easy on you because you work at wal-mart and cant run a 4.3 40 and throw a football 70 yards in the air, but ur right im sure hes a swell guy so lets let him do what he wants. Hopefully my expert diagnosis of him being a sociopath is correct and he decides to take you out dahmer style. Moron!

  130. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 2:01 PM

    vickismydogg

    its not ab me wanting people to hate him (like ive said a million times). Its about not overlooking how many times this guy screwed up just bc he can play ball. He has a responsibility to Millions of Kids and fans and hes on a consistant basis ruined that opportunity. Hes basically saying to young athletes who idolize him “its ok to screw up 100 times just as long as you say sorry 101 times” and hes also saying “as long as you can play football extremely well you dont suffer the same way regular people do”…. I think he is a very ill person, who refused a psychiatric evaluation (which is his right) after his release from prison, that shouldn’t be given the privledge of playing in the NFL as it is not a right! Someone who does these things has serious psycological problems. For example: could you do what he did and get ammusment out of it? if you answered no (like i hope) it is because you do not have the imbalance that he does, it means you are more in touch with reality as a human being… Vick is not. As for what hes done since hes been out of prison, all pats on the back got to his publicist.. i mean u didnt really expect him to come out and say “i dont care about what ive done i did my time and thats it, no charity, no public service, im just going to play football and thats it” NO… then he wouldn’t be able to come back and make millions and pay off his debt, he HAD to say and do those things… but mark my word someone as disturbed as he is WILL inevitibly screw up again bc hes is ILL…. sorry ab dissing ur daughter, that was out of line and i apologize

  131. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 2:22 PM

    gamustangdude

    “Don’t know that, not in his head. However What I do know is that he’s showing signs of being remorseful now. And that’s the important piece, people like you and “themonkeyman” seems to lose grasp of. NOW he’s trying to atone for his mistakes. That I applaud.”

    if you’re not in his head how do you know he is remorseful???? I think what you meant to say is you see him “ACTING” remorseful bc if you’re not in his head how could you know if he cares or not? You see him saying and doing things so that he can keep his job and once again earn millions, you see his publicists doing what they have been mythodically taught to do: Keep his image squeaky clean from now on! You keep on contridicting yourself and you keep losing your credibility, so unless you have anything insightful to say….just stop

  132. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 2:31 PM

    breeshasabush

    If you want we can get into a measuring contest, See what you do for a living and what I do I’m almost certain that I’ll win.

    But you’re right I did google it, and neither on the Panasonic website nor Best Buy website I couldn’t find the 52 inch panasonic LED TV, I saw sharp’s and other brands but not a Panasonic. Just saying.

    Back to Vick, It’s irresponsible to you, ok thanks for your opinion, however the NFL and more importantly anyone that matters felt it was not irresponsible.

    So keep crying over spilled Milk, while you sit on your white leather couch and watch your 52″ Panasonic LED TV that doesn’t exists. The Fact is Vick is in the NFL and you can’t change that.

  133. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 2:55 PM

    I said he was ” SHOWING SIGNS OF being remorseful who suggested I say ACTING . Well to me both mean the same thing right?

  134. charliework says: Dec 15, 2010 3:26 PM

    breeshasabush says:
    Dec 15, 2010 1:43 PM
    gamustangdude:

    I actually minored in psycology At UNO and ab the TV do u wanna bet
    ———————————————-

    You minored in psychology, yet you failed to spell the word “psychology” correctly? Sounds like UNO(University of Night-light Operators?) has some very low English standards for their psychology majors.

    Seriously, though, there might be 3 words in your post above that are actually words.

  135. vickismydogg says: Dec 15, 2010 3:34 PM

    Breeshasabush,

    I actually didn’t catch where you “dissed” my daugher because I certainly would have said something about it. You can’t say that his publicist is behind all of his actions just as much as I can’t say that he isn’t. We don’t know that, and never will. What we do know is that he is an excellent QB who screwed up. He did his time, he appears to be remorseful, and he’s doing the right things (whether on his own or on the suggestion of his publicist). And for us, his fans, it’s enough. He can’t take back what he did. He can only admit his faults, take the consequences, then do his best to redeem himself. Basically, everything he did and is doing. Saying he doesn’t deserve what he has is false. From a professional standpoint, he has certainly proven that he deserves to be back in the NFL. From a moral standpoint, who are we to decide? Someone else mentioned how it’s so clear that people are putting the lives of dogs above human life. I often say this myself, and this alone prove that people do not think he doesn’t deserve to play in the NFL, but that he doesn’t deserve success. This has been proven by the sudden rise in people speaking out against him as soon as he became successful. When donte stallworth catches a ball or perhaps scores a touchdown, are people yelling “human killer!” no, they’re not. So why does Vick deserve all the dog killer comments? Oh duh, bc they’re dogs, not humans. Silly me. As I said before, the past cannot be changed, and mike Vick has certainly made history in many ways, but I say we look to the present and concentrate on what he is doing now, all the good, and perhaps we can slowly begin to forgive him. I have. And if in the future, he screws up again, you won’t see me on here rallying about everyone deserving a third chance. And when I say all the good he’s done, I am referring to his actions outside of the field. But that’s a whole new banter I’m not going to go on right now…

  136. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 3:39 PM

    gamustangdude

    you’re forgetting my knob creek that doesnt exist as well. You can measure all you want Mr. Insecure but I get to work from home, at my own pace, allowing me to screw around with you whenever I want, irritating you enough to google search a TV (and you’re still wrong), so it looks like being educated has paid off for me pretty well. “Shows signs of” and “Acting” are different, but to you they are the same.

    Showing signs of- basically meaning showing and feeling true remorse for what hes done.

    Acting- conducting himself in such a way that people will believe he has true remorse when in all certainty he has absolutely no feeling about it at all.

    Based on vicks past I have more facts to back up my opinion. All you have is his current public image created by his P.R. team. All you have is what any person in the American public and someone of his celebrity would say and do after getting out of prison.

    Fact is, Drew Brees wins Superbowls and Mike Vick loses in the playoffs and goes to prison, and likes to torture animals and you cant change that.

  137. snarkygurl says: Dec 15, 2010 3:42 PM

    Wow – this argument has been going on for a week. That has got to be a PFT record! Give peace a chance…..

    Can’t wait to see how many hits the story of Vick wanting another dog generates. That’s kind of like an alcoholic asking for a gift card to a liquor store for Christmas isn’t it? :-)

  138. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 4:03 PM

    vickismydogg

    Well put!!! Hey im not for Stallworth (as I did root for him while he played for the Saints) either. His sentence was way too lite and i do look at him as someone who Neglegently Murdered some one, Ray Lewis, Leonard Little, and Ben Rapistberger are all in the same boat… im not on a high horse casting them out of humanity. I just think the NFL should be more responsible to its fans and most importantly the kids who worship them. As the players and coaces and all leage affiliates will tell you..”playing in the NFL is not a right, its a privledge” just ask Maurice Clarett, charles Rogers, Pacman Jones (well maybe not pac man i dont think he really gets anything) guys who have been banished from the league for a long period of time if not for good or just ask people like Peyton Manning, Brees, Mike Williams (seattle), Chad Pennington, who really worked hard day in and day out to be in the NFL while vick admittedly had very poor work ethic; its just a slap in the face to the guys who worked hard to have this guy just do whatever he wants, and thats pretty much my points. “Who are we to judge a man?” u r right no one is perfect therefore no one has the right to judge another person, but we as fans of the NFL have the right to criticize the public actions of both players and the league itself. Again i apologize for what I said… mama didnt raise me like that!

  139. vickismydogg says: Dec 15, 2010 4:17 PM

    Breeshasbush,

    You can’t say what Vick will or will not do this year. He is a completely different athlete than he was in Atlanta.

    Snarkygurl,

    As much as I love him and obviously see defend him, I can agree with the judge’s decision on that one. After all, his actions did prove he doesn’t value a dog. And yes, I do believe he has changed, but you know child molesters aren’t allowed within 100 yards of a school. So it seems kinda fair to me.

    And please, no hypocrite comments. I’ve said before I forgave him, doesn’t mean I don’t think what he did was effed up.

  140. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 4:19 PM

    Again, like you’ve been the throughout this post, you’re wrong.

    Showing Signs of = just that, something he has done, tangible proof, i.e talking to local high schools about the horrible sport of Dogfighting, donating to various charties that help dogs who were once victims of dogfighting. To me, these are “Showing signs of” remorse. But don’t let your tainted view keep you from being wrong yet again.

    “Fact is, Drew Brees wins Superbowls and Mike Vick loses in the playoffs and goes to prison, and likes to torture animals and you cant change that.”

    suberbowls = more than one, you mean superbowl.

    And Vick is still playing in the NFL. The eagles are first in thier division and the saints are…not, that’s the word i was looking for.

  141. snarkygurl says: Dec 15, 2010 4:52 PM

    @vickismydogg No hypocrite comments. You have your opinion and I have mine. They’ll never be the same on this issue, but that’s what makes the world go ’round right? Props to you for being able to forgive your QB his transgressions. Glad to hear you don’t think he should own another dog though.

    Me, I’m a Bears fan and have certainly had my share of defending my QB! LOL

  142. breeshasabush says: Dec 15, 2010 4:52 PM

    Superbowl record

    Brees- 1-0
    Vick- 0-0

    Superbowl MVP’s

    Brees- 1
    Vick- 0

    records that actually count!
    need I say more??

    Im sure u just read the post about Vick wanting to own another dog right??

    “There was nothing that ever told me it wasn’t right,” Vick said. “No one ever told me it was the wrong thing to do.”

    POINT PROVEN BY HIS OWN STUPID MOUTH!

  143. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 4:59 PM

    I never argued that. I’m arguing rehabilitation, the right that EVERYONE deserves a second chance. And you think he doesn’t deserve to play in the NFL, that’ you opinion. I’ll stick to mine and you stick to yours.

    I just wanted you to fix the suberbowl comment. Thanks for doing that.

  144. kimcon22000 says: Dec 15, 2010 5:01 PM

    Good to see the “system” is consistant.
    Consistantly corrupt.
    Next, Nobama will be praising this excuse of a human being.

  145. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 5:49 PM

    @ vickismydogg
    How about on 12/8 @ 3:44 – Your words:

    *** “If I fall into the category of “you know what, I don’t care what Vick did, I like football” then so be it. If I choose to remain “ignorant” (which seems to be the popular word on here today) then I will, because in this case ignorance is bliss to me. I am a huge fan of Michael Vick and maybe I don’t really care to know the whole truth. ” ***

    I don’t need to make anything up, you said you are ignorant on Vick & want to be. When others make analogies in regards to what others that torture animals for kicks are made of, you say “Mike Vick didn’t do that” But Ok for you to make crazy comments & points but not for others, go remind your husband what a lucky guy he is for me please – LOL. Only people that cannot think & have no basis for their argument call others names, so tell ya what honey, after I just proved above you admit to being ignorant on Vick & defending him because your husband works for the organization & a warm smile a year ago, being called an idiot is a compliment coming from someone like you. Now give us a warm smile & go make a sandwich.

  146. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 5:50 PM

    @ lovedabirds
    GREAT – I couldn’t have said it better.

  147. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 5:51 PM

    I have a question for every Vick supporter here & most will not address it – WATCH:

    If Mike Vick knowing he had herpes infected you vickismydogg or your sister or daughter gamustangdude or your sister or daughter
    charliework – would you still be here defending Vick?

    Guarantee the Vick defenders will not answer this & if they do it will not be honestly because then their blind defense of Mike Vick dies.

    And as for gamustangdude – you are saying a pathetic, pathological liar is acting like or publically showing remorse, and that is good enough for you – more naive behavior by you. By that measure, every violent criminal in the prisons across the US would act like or show remorse, would you believe every one of them too? Or is that blind faith once again just for Mike Vick.

  148. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 6:04 PM

    @breesismybush
    Much love brother – you are making points the Vick supporters just refuse to understand – it’s not like that don’t understand, they choose to act like they don’t get it. Mike Vick will always be defined by his animal torturing, lying & herpes spreading ways, no matter how much he looks sorry, says he sorry, no matter how many games he wins or TD’s he throws. The Vick boosters refuse to admit they know that too.

  149. gamustangdude says: Dec 15, 2010 6:44 PM

    @themonkeyman

    The answer is no, I wouldn’t be here defending Vick. However Vick has not been found guilty of spreading herpes. And that’s my point. You can’t find any evidence that says “Vick gave that woman herpes.” And that’s my argument, plain and simple. Unless Vick admits to it, or a judge finds him guilty of it, all we have are assumptions. You assume he’s guilty and I assume he’s innocent. However neither are fact.

    Of course he will be remembered for all this, and that’s the sad part of our society. People like you want to hold on to the negative so badly, and there’s really no good reason for it. Live and be happy, let him live his life. You people are really pathetic and sad; 10 years from now you’ll keep bringing this up and for what? What GOOD will that do? Nothing. I like second chances; I like the fact that people can make mistakes, or live a life of crime and find the error in their ways and bounce back. These are the people I fight for everyday. I’m a soldier; I love my country, my family. And I support the fact that people get knocked down in life, and have the true determination to get back up. To me, that’s the true meaning of someone’s character, how they respond to adversity. Show me someone who’s never had adversity in their life and I’ll show you someone who hasn’t earned their “stripes.” You and breeshasabush can say what you want. I applaud the guy for the personal courage to simply, get back up. And now I’m truly done with this BS conversation.

  150. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 6:48 PM

    Wow gamustangdude – this is classic stuff:

    gamustangdude says:
    Dec 15, 2010 1:33 PM
    Hey Vick, Shut the Hell up!!! You’re making it hard for me to defend you here. Go read the playbook please!!!

    By your own admission, why do you so blindly defend this guy? OK you feel he’s sincere with his showing of remorse. Most don’t & even you, with the comments above seem to question him. As I have said many times on this thread, I admire your amazing loyalty to this man. It’s very admirable that when you believe in something or someone you argue as you do even though you seem to know down deep you are doing it because you feel so strongly YOU WANT him to be changed instead of truly beleveing he IS a changed man.

  151. themonkeyman says: Dec 15, 2010 8:06 PM

    @gamustangdude

    “And now I’m truly done with this BS conversation.”

    Sure you are – Just beacuse you applaud the guy (and that is your right & I have never said it wasn’t), doesn’t give you the right to abuse others that don’t.

    AND

    “You and breeshasabush can say what you want. I applaud the guy for the personal courage to simply, get back up.”

    What did he do?? Got Tony Dungy to be his mouthpiiece & got another NFL job?? If thats getting back up then why wouldn’t he. Ya know what would really be getting back up though? A year or 2 in the UFL, show in a less than IDEAL situation you can stay out of trouble. Hell man he almost was back in trouble again in June – (watch this denial).

    Assclown, idiot to name a few ways you have tried to shout down others to make them see your point. You call me pathetic & sad yet you call others immature names & quote the bible in the same paragraph to defend someone that will disappoint you again. If it means, it’s pathetic to understand Mike Vick’s measly 2 year sentence was nothing compared to what he deserved for his sick crimes then as said above to another blind Vick defender, that’s a compliment.

    You’ll be back.

  152. vickismydogg says: Dec 16, 2010 1:05 PM

    Oh my god monkeyman, you really just are a slow person. I really cannot help you. Please go back and read the exact thing you quoted by me and see where it says “don’t want to know the WHOLE truth.” yea that would be the details I was referring to. I just can’t keep arguing with a brick wall, it’s completely unproductive and somewhat frustrating to say the least. And keep bringing up stuff in Vick’s past. You are just further proving my point that you don’t hate him for killing dogs, you hate him because he is more successful than you will ever be. And this is just the beginning. When Vick does something to land him in jail again, I will be the first to come back here and say, you know what you were right and I was stupid for believing he was a changed man. Until then, just stop talking.

  153. themonkeyman says: Dec 18, 2010 12:01 PM

    @ vickismydogg

    You can go back & try & spin what you said anyway you’d like. The words speak for themselves. You wrote them.

    You want to remain uneducated on this evil individuals acts beacuse you are a football fan & a Mike Vick fan, you want to believe in him because he plays in the organization your husband works for, you want to remain ignorant on extent of his ghoulish behavior because he gave you a warm smile at a Christmas party.

    You. by your own admission, * If I fall into the category of “you know what, I don’t care what Vick did, I like football” then so be it. *. You not only don’t know- but don’t care.

    AS YOU say- *If I choose to remain “ignorant” (which seems to be the popular word on here today) then I will, because in this case ignorance is bliss to me. I am a huge fan of Michael Vick*

    I cannot believe you are really trying to defend this – you said it & the context is clear. Just admit you are only defending Vick because he producing wins for your husbands organization & superficial interaction at a event. That’s all you know & you look more like a fraud with each post, you have a vested interest in Vick succeeding, conflict of interest. That’s why you choose to be so ill-equipped to speak intelligently about Vick.

    The things you say are so reeking of ignorance it’s scary that you shout down others on things you are so hopelessly uneducated about. Remind that husband of yours how lucky he is to get to talk to you on a regular basis.

    Warm Smiles
    out

  154. themonkeyman says: Dec 18, 2010 3:55 PM

    Just a small look into a window of your hero thinks is good recreational behavior when not on the football field Vick supporters:

    “As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed …it to the ground. The first impact didn’t kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead.” The Lost Dogs by Jim Gorant. Page 63

    The guy is a cold blooded POS that tortured animals for fun until that torture killed them – The guy is no effing good, evil to his core.

  155. vickismydogg says: Dec 20, 2010 2:46 PM

    Again, you’re an idiot and a brick wall. I’m not spinning anything around, you’re taking something I said, where it was obvious what I meant, and spinning it around to try and benefit your usesless argument. You’re a sad and pathetic “debator”. Oh, and we’ve never seen that excerpt before… *rolls eyes* thanks for that insight. Oh and that is a prime example of the details I choose not to hear. I’m gonna move onto better things. Repeating myself over again and speaking to mongrels like you has really taken a toll on my IQ.

  156. vickismydogg says: Dec 20, 2010 2:47 PM

    Debater*

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