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	<title>Comments on: Ravens think McClain&#8217;s hit on Miller was unavoidable</title>
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		<title>By: ampatsisahypocrite</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ampatsisahypocrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Mr. Ravens front office guy writing in to whine to PFT, but &quot;helmet to helmet&quot; isn&#039;t even the issue here. It&#039;s Miller being in the &quot;helpless&quot; position and getting whacked. Now get back to your Oprah website and stop playing around with e-mails.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mr. Ravens front office guy writing in to whine to PFT, but &#8220;helmet to helmet&#8221; isn&#8217;t even the issue here. It&#8217;s Miller being in the &#8220;helpless&#8221; position and getting whacked. Now get back to your Oprah website and stop playing around with e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: pensacolasteelers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pensacolasteelers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BS it WAS avoidable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS it WAS avoidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of seeing that &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; defense could wind up in Goodell&#039;s crosshairs, Harbaugh pompously pontificated that his guys &quot;get it&quot; and eventually ours would, too. That was worse than Tomlin&#039;s &quot;unleash hell&quot; from last season. But rather than debating which team whines more or which players are more thuggish, &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; should now be focused on what&#039;s happening in the league. 

&lt;em&gt;If&lt;/em&gt; the goal is to minimize concussions, it&#039;s not working. Neither fans nor players are omniscient. We can&#039;t know if a defender was trying to injure a receiver, and they can&#039;t know when launching if a receiver will change position the nanosecond before they make contact. There must be a more effective way to address concussions. And instead of arguing among ourselves, we should be putting &lt;em&gt;intense&lt;/em&gt; pressure on the league to FIX OFFICIATING ISSUES. 

I truly believe Flacco would have gotten the same treatment as Roethlisberger. However we ALL know McAuley wouldn&#039;t have told Brady &quot;He was just trying to tackle you. So I just let it go at that.” It&#039;s high time that nonsense stopped and the league started fining officials for their screwups. Either a play is illegal or it&#039;s not--no matter &lt;em&gt;who&lt;/em&gt; is under center. This inconsistency undermines the integrity of the league. If the NCAA can manage to have booth review on every play, surely the NFL can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of seeing that <em>any</em> defense could wind up in Goodell&#8217;s crosshairs, Harbaugh pompously pontificated that his guys &#8220;get it&#8221; and eventually ours would, too. That was worse than Tomlin&#8217;s &#8220;unleash hell&#8221; from last season. But rather than debating which team whines more or which players are more thuggish, <em>everyone</em> should now be focused on what&#8217;s happening in the league. </p>
<p><em>If</em> the goal is to minimize concussions, it&#8217;s not working. Neither fans nor players are omniscient. We can&#8217;t know if a defender was trying to injure a receiver, and they can&#8217;t know when launching if a receiver will change position the nanosecond before they make contact. There must be a more effective way to address concussions. And instead of arguing among ourselves, we should be putting <em>intense</em> pressure on the league to FIX OFFICIATING ISSUES. </p>
<p>I truly believe Flacco would have gotten the same treatment as Roethlisberger. However we ALL know McAuley wouldn&#8217;t have told Brady &#8220;He was just trying to tackle you. So I just let it go at that.” It&#8217;s high time that nonsense stopped and the league started fining officials for their screwups. Either a play is illegal or it&#8217;s not&#8211;no matter <em>who</em> is under center. This inconsistency undermines the integrity of the league. If the NCAA can manage to have booth review on every play, surely the NFL can.</p>
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		<title>By: hamburghlar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hamburghlar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Waah waah, Harbaugh... Same story with the Steelers, it&#039;s all fun and games until it&#039;s one of your players, then the &quot;OMGWTF&quot; comes out..  

Its the same type of hit that Harrison&#039;s been fined for all year.  Get used to the AFC North bias, Goodell wants the league to be weak like the NFC West..  YAY!  *gag*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waah waah, Harbaugh&#8230; Same story with the Steelers, it&#8217;s all fun and games until it&#8217;s one of your players, then the &#8220;OMGWTF&#8221; comes out..  </p>
<p>Its the same type of hit that Harrison&#8217;s been fined for all year.  Get used to the AFC North bias, Goodell wants the league to be weak like the NFC West..  YAY!  *gag*</p>
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		<title>By: domeunit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[domeunit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Ratbirds and their scumbag fans can try and wiggle out of this any way they want, but that hut was helmet to helmet, it was illegal and it deserved a fine and the continued Ravens defense of it is ridiculous.
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it was an unnecessary hit, but watch TV sometime it wasn&#039;t helmet to helmet.  I hate stupid people, try watching the game before you sit there and say the fans of the team are scumbags...which really has nothing to do with the point.  Have fun watching Harrison use his helmet as a battering ram, and then defending it to the bitter end that &quot;Steelers are targeted waaaaaaah&quot;....hypocrite]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ratbirds and their scumbag fans can try and wiggle out of this any way they want, but that hut was helmet to helmet, it was illegal and it deserved a fine and the continued Ravens defense of it is ridiculous.<br />
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it was an unnecessary hit, but watch TV sometime it wasn&#8217;t helmet to helmet.  I hate stupid people, try watching the game before you sit there and say the fans of the team are scumbags&#8230;which really has nothing to do with the point.  Have fun watching Harrison use his helmet as a battering ram, and then defending it to the bitter end that &#8220;Steelers are targeted waaaaaaah&#8221;&#8230;.hypocrite</p>
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		<title>By: Steeler's Will</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steeler's Will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is there even debate about it being intentional?  I&#039;m willing to give benefit of the doubt in most cases, and guess that 99.99% of football players do not want to end the career or life of another player.  Mclain wasn&#039;t headhunting, he made a tackle.  However, even tho it was accidental, incidental, unintentional, whatever it still happened, and should be flagged.  A fine for either Mclain or the golem that broke Ben&#039;s nose is stupid.

Contrast this to the &quot;Harrison is a thug and should be put in jail&quot; crowd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there even debate about it being intentional?  I&#8217;m willing to give benefit of the doubt in most cases, and guess that 99.99% of football players do not want to end the career or life of another player.  Mclain wasn&#8217;t headhunting, he made a tackle.  However, even tho it was accidental, incidental, unintentional, whatever it still happened, and should be flagged.  A fine for either Mclain or the golem that broke Ben&#8217;s nose is stupid.</p>
<p>Contrast this to the &#8220;Harrison is a thug and should be put in jail&#8221; crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: cityofchampyinz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cityofchampyinz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was clearly unavoidable. He came in late to the play. and DID lead with his forearm. 

“McClain did not lead with the shoulder, forearm or the helmet,” Pereira said. 

Really? Did you even watch the replay Pereira?????

We love the hate Florio, keep bringing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was clearly unavoidable. He came in late to the play. and DID lead with his forearm. </p>
<p>“McClain did not lead with the shoulder, forearm or the helmet,” Pereira said. </p>
<p>Really? Did you even watch the replay Pereira?????</p>
<p>We love the hate Florio, keep bringing it.</p>
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		<title>By: macbull</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869676</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macbull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone watching the video has to admit that McClain is &quot;headhunting&quot;.

If ever the NFL was going to suspend a player for an illegal hit, this is the NFL&#039;s opportunity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone watching the video has to admit that McClain is &#8220;headhunting&#8221;.</p>
<p>If ever the NFL was going to suspend a player for an illegal hit, this is the NFL&#8217;s opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: nepats12</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nepats12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the best part of the play (when watching slow motion) is that mcclain immediately looks up at the sideline ref with an &quot;uh oh&quot; face.  Just like when you speed past a cop and keep looking in the rearview mirror.... i.e. = GUILTY!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the best part of the play (when watching slow motion) is that mcclain immediately looks up at the sideline ref with an &#8220;uh oh&#8221; face.  Just like when you speed past a cop and keep looking in the rearview mirror&#8230;. i.e. = GUILTY!</p>
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		<title>By: laxer37</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laxer37]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently Ravens losing to the Steelers when Big Ben plays is also unavoidable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Ravens losing to the Steelers when Big Ben plays is also unavoidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooped</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pooped]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel it was intentional. The dude had 2 steps, saw the ball pop up and was looking right at Heath when he was still moving toward him. Plenty of time to avoid the big pop.

Hard to say helmet-to-helmet, looked more like forearm to facemask.

I would put this one in the category of Harrison&#039;s hit on Massaquoi, which was the only &quot;illegal&quot; one I&#039;ve seen him fined for so far this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel it was intentional. The dude had 2 steps, saw the ball pop up and was looking right at Heath when he was still moving toward him. Plenty of time to avoid the big pop.</p>
<p>Hard to say helmet-to-helmet, looked more like forearm to facemask.</p>
<p>I would put this one in the category of Harrison&#8217;s hit on Massaquoi, which was the only &#8220;illegal&#8221; one I&#8217;ve seen him fined for so far this year.</p>
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		<title>By: pensacolasteelers</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869506</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pensacolasteelers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then don&#039;t cry when you see Harrison make the same type hits... although I thought that was was even much worse. McClain clearly saw the receiver missed the ball and yet he lunged with his forearm &amp; shoulder at Miller&#039;s head anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then don&#8217;t cry when you see Harrison make the same type hits&#8230; although I thought that was was even much worse. McClain clearly saw the receiver missed the ball and yet he lunged with his forearm &amp; shoulder at Miller&#8217;s head anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: freedomispopular</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[freedomispopular]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what I&#039;ve been saying all week. I felt that way as soon as I saw the first replay. He was flying full speed at Miller getting ready to make the tackle and then Miller missed the ball. You really expect him to be able to stop? It&#039;s tackle football. People are gonna get hurt. That&#039;s why these guys make the big bucks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been saying all week. I felt that way as soon as I saw the first replay. He was flying full speed at Miller getting ready to make the tackle and then Miller missed the ball. You really expect him to be able to stop? It&#8217;s tackle football. People are gonna get hurt. That&#8217;s why these guys make the big bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: japdouds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[japdouds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UNAVOIDABLE????  Miller had already dropped the ball.  It was on the ground before the hit.

McClain clearly aimed for the head and hit it.  Defenseless player hit to the head,.  Perhaps Harbaugh needs to learn what the rules are.

And for the douche from the Ravens FO that sent the complaint in to PFT, maybe you ought to tell your coach not to sit there on national tv and lecture the Steelers on hits when he and his own team dont understand what is legal and illegal.

Harbaugh also coached his players to dive at James Harrison&#039;s knees on an extra point attempt.  He should be thrown out of the league!

No classcoach, no class city, no class organization, no class team with 2 murderers on the roster.

HE&#039;S STILL DEAD, HE&#039;S STILL DEAD chants next game in Pittsburgh right Lewis &amp; Stallworth?   Too bad Pittsburgh folks have class or our radio stations would drum up those chants!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNAVOIDABLE????  Miller had already dropped the ball.  It was on the ground before the hit.</p>
<p>McClain clearly aimed for the head and hit it.  Defenseless player hit to the head,.  Perhaps Harbaugh needs to learn what the rules are.</p>
<p>And for the douche from the Ravens FO that sent the complaint in to PFT, maybe you ought to tell your coach not to sit there on national tv and lecture the Steelers on hits when he and his own team dont understand what is legal and illegal.</p>
<p>Harbaugh also coached his players to dive at James Harrison&#8217;s knees on an extra point attempt.  He should be thrown out of the league!</p>
<p>No classcoach, no class city, no class organization, no class team with 2 murderers on the roster.</p>
<p>HE&#8217;S STILL DEAD, HE&#8217;S STILL DEAD chants next game in Pittsburgh right Lewis &amp; Stallworth?   Too bad Pittsburgh folks have class or our radio stations would drum up those chants!!!</p>
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		<title>By: goldsteel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goldsteel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 03:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Steelers fan, I don&#039;t believe the hit should have been fined.  Officials miss calls in every game.  Like the hand to the face of Roethlisberger that broke his nose.  But fining players is just political cover for the league office in it&#039;s shallow attempt to show concern with injuries.

Fire Goodell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Steelers fan, I don&#8217;t believe the hit should have been fined.  Officials miss calls in every game.  Like the hand to the face of Roethlisberger that broke his nose.  But fining players is just political cover for the league office in it&#8217;s shallow attempt to show concern with injuries.</p>
<p>Fire Goodell.</p>
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		<title>By: mrssmith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrssmith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 02:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[melikefootball - Periera is on fox not espn :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>melikefootball &#8211; Periera is on fox not espn <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pensacolasteelers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pensacolasteelers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@thisaintchocolate thank you. That&#039;s exactly what I would&#039;ve said. That&#039;s the same excuse most of us Steelers fan said, and the Steelers, and Harrison said about his hits. Most other fans didnt&#039; want to hear it though. I don&#039;t remember any of them being Ravens fans though so I will cut you a break there. 
@chhutch27 if he was had his hand up trying to pull back, as you say, then why did he lean forward into the hit with his forearm and shoulder? lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thisaintchocolate thank you. That&#8217;s exactly what I would&#8217;ve said. That&#8217;s the same excuse most of us Steelers fan said, and the Steelers, and Harrison said about his hits. Most other fans didnt&#8217; want to hear it though. I don&#8217;t remember any of them being Ravens fans though so I will cut you a break there.<br />
@chhutch27 if he was had his hand up trying to pull back, as you say, then why did he lean forward into the hit with his forearm and shoulder? lol</p>
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		<title>By: elmobad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[elmobad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a lifetime steelers fan and raven hater..                 although the McClain hit was considerably more vicious than any of Harrison&#039;s,  he should not have been fined..  it&#039;s football..  
there SHOULD have been a 15yd penalty..  shoulder/forearm/helmet to defenseless receiver&#039;s head.. one of several missed that night..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a lifetime steelers fan and raven hater..                 although the McClain hit was considerably more vicious than any of Harrison&#8217;s,  he should not have been fined..  it&#8217;s football..<br />
there SHOULD have been a 15yd penalty..  shoulder/forearm/helmet to defenseless receiver&#8217;s head.. one of several missed that night..</p>
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		<title>By: steeldiehard</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a die-hard Steelers fan and a true hater of the Ravens and believe the hit on Miller was shoulder to helmet and I can see why a penalty was not called.  Not so sure about the fine really should have been given either.  I was surprised no penalty was called when Ben got his nose broken as it seems as if you so much breathe on a quarterback you get penalized and fined.  Even still, it did not appear as if it was a deliberate attempt to injure.  With that said, the resulting fines, non penalties, and the Austin Collie incident a few weeks ago, proves the NFL is way too inconsistent when it comes to throwing flags and assessing fines.   Could you imagine the  number of fines and penalty flags that would occur if this were still the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a die-hard Steelers fan and a true hater of the Ravens and believe the hit on Miller was shoulder to helmet and I can see why a penalty was not called.  Not so sure about the fine really should have been given either.  I was surprised no penalty was called when Ben got his nose broken as it seems as if you so much breathe on a quarterback you get penalized and fined.  Even still, it did not appear as if it was a deliberate attempt to injure.  With that said, the resulting fines, non penalties, and the Austin Collie incident a few weeks ago, proves the NFL is way too inconsistent when it comes to throwing flags and assessing fines.   Could you imagine the  number of fines and penalty flags that would occur if this were still the 50&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s?</p>
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		<title>By: cd_ridge</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I see that the Ravens now agree with the Steelers&#039; view on the enforcement of the &quot;Illegal Hits&quot; policy by the NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I see that the Ravens now agree with the Steelers&#8217; view on the enforcement of the &#8220;Illegal Hits&#8221; policy by the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: gopurplebirds</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see the hit real time, and not slo-mo.  And let&#039;s see it with more of McClain as he was going to hit.  He goes down because he things Miller is going to make the catch and stay up.  

I&#039;ll save a box of Kleenex for all the Stiller fans crying about their James &quot;headhunter&quot; Harrison.  

BTW - Nice try on the back pedal, Florio.  Your name isn&#039;t Fonzerelli ( I was wwrrrr.....)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see the hit real time, and not slo-mo.  And let&#8217;s see it with more of McClain as he was going to hit.  He goes down because he things Miller is going to make the catch and stay up.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll save a box of Kleenex for all the Stiller fans crying about their James &#8220;headhunter&#8221; Harrison.  </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Nice try on the back pedal, Florio.  Your name isn&#8217;t Fonzerelli ( I was wwrrrr&#8230;..)</p>
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		<title>By: tk1966</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869314</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Steelers fan, I would agree that it was unavoidable, and as a football fan, I agree that this hit, and most importantly, those like it should not be penalized.  The game is too fast, and it involves HITTING.  From time to time these hits are going to happen.  However, if the league is going to be handing out the fines, they do need to hand them out for all these hits.  If Harrison gets fined for his hits, then McClain need to be opening his wallet too, and vice versa.  But, my preference would be for the league to just back off and lets these large grown men play this violent sport they signed up for.

ccoolahan14
AFC North standings WITHOUT rigging: Ravens- 10-2; Steelers- 8-4. That’s NOT UP FOR DEBATE

Don&#039;t look at me to try to debate you.  My momma taught me to be wise enough to not argue with an obvious fool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Steelers fan, I would agree that it was unavoidable, and as a football fan, I agree that this hit, and most importantly, those like it should not be penalized.  The game is too fast, and it involves HITTING.  From time to time these hits are going to happen.  However, if the league is going to be handing out the fines, they do need to hand them out for all these hits.  If Harrison gets fined for his hits, then McClain need to be opening his wallet too, and vice versa.  But, my preference would be for the league to just back off and lets these large grown men play this violent sport they signed up for.</p>
<p>ccoolahan14<br />
AFC North standings WITHOUT rigging: Ravens- 10-2; Steelers- 8-4. That’s NOT UP FOR DEBATE</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look at me to try to debate you.  My momma taught me to be wise enough to not argue with an obvious fool.</p>
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		<title>By: mborz</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869305</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite sure how anyone can say for sure it wasn&#039;t helmet to helmet.  First, as others have mentioned, the clack was extremely loud, and Collinsworth said so upon hearing it.  Something like &quot;I heard it all the way up here&quot;.

The video is inconclusive.  You don&#039;t see their helmets hit head-on, and you don&#039;t see them miss.  The first replay looks like the impact may have happened on the sides of their helmets.  But again, it&#039;s impossible to tell, if you ask me.

I&#039;m a Steelers fan and I have no idea if McClain was trying to hurt Miller.  As the Ravens are saying, Miller was falling and McClain was coming in full speed.  He doesn&#039;t overtly throw his elbows out as far as I can tell, and it&#039;s not a head-on collision.  He might crouch a bit before the collision, but I have no idea if he&#039;s bracing for the hit or not.  I don&#039;t see anything definitive about his intent when watching that video.  Maybe I&#039;m missing something.

Which is why I&#039;ve argued from the beginning that this whole thing is a mess.  People can argue that the rules for illegal hits are clear-cut, but in looking at how they have (and haven&#039;t) been applied over the past few weeks, I can honestly say it&#039;s impossible to know based on the application of these supposedly clear-cut rules.  In my eyes, it&#039;s been wildly inconsistent at best.  

There&#039;s simply no way an NFL player running at full speed can predict and react quickly enough to ensure that they are always &quot;legal&quot;.  No way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite sure how anyone can say for sure it wasn&#8217;t helmet to helmet.  First, as others have mentioned, the clack was extremely loud, and Collinsworth said so upon hearing it.  Something like &#8220;I heard it all the way up here&#8221;.</p>
<p>The video is inconclusive.  You don&#8217;t see their helmets hit head-on, and you don&#8217;t see them miss.  The first replay looks like the impact may have happened on the sides of their helmets.  But again, it&#8217;s impossible to tell, if you ask me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Steelers fan and I have no idea if McClain was trying to hurt Miller.  As the Ravens are saying, Miller was falling and McClain was coming in full speed.  He doesn&#8217;t overtly throw his elbows out as far as I can tell, and it&#8217;s not a head-on collision.  He might crouch a bit before the collision, but I have no idea if he&#8217;s bracing for the hit or not.  I don&#8217;t see anything definitive about his intent when watching that video.  Maybe I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;ve argued from the beginning that this whole thing is a mess.  People can argue that the rules for illegal hits are clear-cut, but in looking at how they have (and haven&#8217;t) been applied over the past few weeks, I can honestly say it&#8217;s impossible to know based on the application of these supposedly clear-cut rules.  In my eyes, it&#8217;s been wildly inconsistent at best.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply no way an NFL player running at full speed can predict and react quickly enough to ensure that they are always &#8220;legal&#8221;.  No way.</p>
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		<title>By: seahawkhuskyfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least you are all arguing about a defense that hits...........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least you are all arguing about a defense that hits&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: goodellhatesfootball</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869301</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I&#039;d have to look at it again, the first thing I thought when the hit happened was that it was unavoidable. Well actually the first thing I thought was that I hope Heath is ok. Anyway, this is the problem with the league. The league feels the hit was an unavoidable accident and that McClain hit him with his shoulder. That&#039;s fair, but had the same situation occurred but McClain, through no fault of his own, accidentally connects with a part of his helmet then he&#039;s flagged and fined 75k. There&#039;s no way to predict how Heath is going to fall to the ground, so he could have just as easily hit him with his helmet had Heath fallen a different way. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? The league is flagging and fining players based on unavoidable plays that are 9 times out of 10 purely accidental. So if you accidentally scramble someones brains with your shoulder its ok but if you happen to hit him with your helmet you and your team get penalized. It&#039;s bs. It ruins the game. You just can&#039;t call penalties this way. It&#039;s going to cost a team a big game sooner or later. It&#039;s frustrating to see a player get fined because the receiver reacted a certain way which caused his and the defenders helmets to collide. But had he fallen a different way and the defenders shoulder strikes him in the head instead, well then it&#039;s A-Okay. Meanwhile the results are still the same. Heath has a concussion and there was not a damn thing anyone could have done about it. Flagging players because their helmets collide is not the answer (unless it&#039;s blatant, then as it has always been in the past, should be called a penalty.)  The NFL has no idea what it&#039;s doing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;d have to look at it again, the first thing I thought when the hit happened was that it was unavoidable. Well actually the first thing I thought was that I hope Heath is ok. Anyway, this is the problem with the league. The league feels the hit was an unavoidable accident and that McClain hit him with his shoulder. That&#8217;s fair, but had the same situation occurred but McClain, through no fault of his own, accidentally connects with a part of his helmet then he&#8217;s flagged and fined 75k. There&#8217;s no way to predict how Heath is going to fall to the ground, so he could have just as easily hit him with his helmet had Heath fallen a different way. Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? The league is flagging and fining players based on unavoidable plays that are 9 times out of 10 purely accidental. So if you accidentally scramble someones brains with your shoulder its ok but if you happen to hit him with your helmet you and your team get penalized. It&#8217;s bs. It ruins the game. You just can&#8217;t call penalties this way. It&#8217;s going to cost a team a big game sooner or later. It&#8217;s frustrating to see a player get fined because the receiver reacted a certain way which caused his and the defenders helmets to collide. But had he fallen a different way and the defenders shoulder strikes him in the head instead, well then it&#8217;s A-Okay. Meanwhile the results are still the same. Heath has a concussion and there was not a damn thing anyone could have done about it. Flagging players because their helmets collide is not the answer (unless it&#8217;s blatant, then as it has always been in the past, should be called a penalty.)  The NFL has no idea what it&#8217;s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: steelersfbfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Periera&#039;s chat on Fox.... answering about the hit on Miller....

  Mike Pereira: For the same reason, Patrick, that a flag was not thrown for Harrison&#039;s hit on Massaquoi that resulted in the $75,000 fine.

It&#039;s obvious that the officials on the field DID NOT think it was a foul. McClain did not lead with his helmet, and the contact appeared to me to be on the shoulder, which still falls under the context of a foul.

from PFT:
“McClain did not lead with the shoulder, forearm or the helmet,” Pereira said.  “I know the defenseless player rule doesn’t say anything about leading with the shoulder but when you watch this play in real time, it truly happened so fast that the contact was clearly unavoidable, and McClain did not lower his head, lift his forearm or lead with the shoulder.”

read the last two lines of both...which is it? he lead with his shoulder or he didn&#039;t? did he get his head snapped backwards by McClains Stomach?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Periera&#8217;s chat on Fox&#8230;. answering about the hit on Miller&#8230;.</p>
<p>  Mike Pereira: For the same reason, Patrick, that a flag was not thrown for Harrison&#8217;s hit on Massaquoi that resulted in the $75,000 fine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious that the officials on the field DID NOT think it was a foul. McClain did not lead with his helmet, and the contact appeared to me to be on the shoulder, which still falls under the context of a foul.</p>
<p>from PFT:<br />
“McClain did not lead with the shoulder, forearm or the helmet,” Pereira said.  “I know the defenseless player rule doesn’t say anything about leading with the shoulder but when you watch this play in real time, it truly happened so fast that the contact was clearly unavoidable, and McClain did not lower his head, lift his forearm or lead with the shoulder.”</p>
<p>read the last two lines of both&#8230;which is it? he lead with his shoulder or he didn&#8217;t? did he get his head snapped backwards by McClains Stomach?</p>
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		<title>By: pghsteel412</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869289</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i notice at the end of every article florio writes steeler related he always has a anti- steeler spin on his last sentence.. but when he is on nbc he acts like a unbiased little bitch... how would florio even know what elite athletes do or how quick they can react... hes a elite ass kisser ill give him that though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i notice at the end of every article florio writes steeler related he always has a anti- steeler spin on his last sentence.. but when he is on nbc he acts like a unbiased little bitch&#8230; how would florio even know what elite athletes do or how quick they can react&#8230; hes a elite ass kisser ill give him that though</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869288</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on Ravens spoksman, we all watched the game. As for Pereire, he is now on ESPN, not head of officials, that he never said they ever made a bad call, that says it all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Ravens spoksman, we all watched the game. As for Pereire, he is now on ESPN, not head of officials, that he never said they ever made a bad call, that says it all</p>
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		<title>By: holeinone09</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a major problem with this entire illegal hit issue.  It is tough to tell if it is intentional, could have been avoided, etc.

From just looking at it, McClain absolutely crushed Miller after he didn&#039;t catch the ball, and was the perfect definition of defenseless receiver.  I agree that these are split second situations, and it is tough to determine the real intentional nature of it all.  It would have been better for McClain if as a finely tuned athelete he could have shown more of an attempt to get out of the way.  It really didn&#039;t look like he did that.

Therefore, if for example a Harrison or a Samual from the Eagles gets penalized and fined for their similar recent hits, then the officials should have penalized and fined McClain.  They didn&#039;t penalize McClain.  They are not doing a very good job this year with this issue, among others.

Looking at the hit is sickening quite frankly.  Amazing Miller got up from that.

GO STEELERS!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a major problem with this entire illegal hit issue.  It is tough to tell if it is intentional, could have been avoided, etc.</p>
<p>From just looking at it, McClain absolutely crushed Miller after he didn&#8217;t catch the ball, and was the perfect definition of defenseless receiver.  I agree that these are split second situations, and it is tough to determine the real intentional nature of it all.  It would have been better for McClain if as a finely tuned athelete he could have shown more of an attempt to get out of the way.  It really didn&#8217;t look like he did that.</p>
<p>Therefore, if for example a Harrison or a Samual from the Eagles gets penalized and fined for their similar recent hits, then the officials should have penalized and fined McClain.  They didn&#8217;t penalize McClain.  They are not doing a very good job this year with this issue, among others.</p>
<p>Looking at the hit is sickening quite frankly.  Amazing Miller got up from that.</p>
<p>GO STEELERS!!</p>
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		<title>By: mkepackfan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/ravens-think-mcclains-hit-on-miller-was-unavoidable/#comment-869262</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The league can&#039;t say what makes a hit legal or illegal...kind of like how they can&#039;t determine what is &amp; isn&#039;t a catch.

This league &amp; officials get more pathetic each year, all led by King Dunce Goodell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The league can&#8217;t say what makes a hit legal or illegal&#8230;kind of like how they can&#8217;t determine what is &amp; isn&#8217;t a catch.</p>
<p>This league &amp; officials get more pathetic each year, all led by King Dunce Goodell.</p>
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