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Mangini isn’t off the hot seat yet

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From an outside perspective, Eric Mangini has done a solid coaching job this year in Cleveland.

His Browns beat the Saints and Patriots without a lot of talent.  They have played only three teams with a losing record all season, including their loss to the Bills in Week 14.  (They won the other two games.)  Still, it sounds like Mangini hasn’t quite convinced anyone that he’ll be around to coach the team next season.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer said in an interview that Mangini is going to have to win two of his last three games to prevent Mike Holmgren from taking a “hard look” at replacing Mangini.  They face the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers to close the season.

Keep in mind this isn’t a “report” but rather informed speculation.  Still, it shows that nothing is settled when it comes to Mangini’s status.

It was a surprise when Holmgren decided to keep Mangini in the first place, seen by many as a one-year trial.   Mangini has done a representative job, but it sounds like he has work left to do to stick around.

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  1. tombreck says: Dec 14, 2010 12:14 PM

    Mangini is inconsistent and has taken it as far as he probably can. The other thought in Cleveland is that Mangini has loyalty to OC Brian Daboll and Daboll most certainly is gone after the year. Mangini won’t (presumedly) let Daboll go.

    I think the job is Grudens if he wants it.

  2. darkcvc says: Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM

    I like Mangini, but Daboll definitely needs to go. The only head coach I am OK with replacing Mangini would be if Holmgren wants to coach the team and make Mangini the O.C.

    I just hope Bob Ryan stays with the team and doesn’t get pulled to head coach any of the other teams.

  3. darkcvc says: Dec 14, 2010 12:23 PM

    Or just make Bob Ryan the head coach!

  4. bbb82 says: Dec 14, 2010 12:32 PM

    Mangini has earned another year. Anyone actually paying attention can’t argue that the team is far better off than it was when he first arrived.

  5. neverend1 says: Dec 14, 2010 12:33 PM

    if they fire him it’ll show complete incompetence. mangini has kept this browns team competitive every single week. the browns lose games because of a lack of talent, not coaching or playcalling.

  6. barneyrumble says: Dec 14, 2010 12:36 PM

    OK they beat the Bengals, because they are that bad, so he has to beat the Steelers or the Ravens to keep his job?
    Mr. Mangini, meet Mr. Childress, Mr. Phillips, and young lad McDaniels. Gentlemen. welcome Mr. Mangini to the club please.

  7. mrpezto says: Dec 14, 2010 12:42 PM

    I call fiddlesticks. Mary Kay and Tony Grossi of the Plain Dealer have been wanting Mangini’s exit since day one. He doesn’t feed them information like Romeo did, and these two writers don’t like that because it makes them actually have to work to find stories They are the true definition of “hack journalist.”

    Mangini has done a very good job with very little talent. Now is not the time to get rid of him, get rid of OC Drabol, yes, but not Mangini. Firing him will not only set the team back, but he will go on to win a Super Bowl as a head coach with another team as he would be out of work for a total of 5 minutes as HE IS A GOOD COACH!

  8. pastabelly says: Dec 14, 2010 12:42 PM

    As much as I hate the Rat, he has the team moving in the right direction. He has done this all with a rookie quarterback too. That team would benefit from stability. They are delusional if they believe that any coaching change would be a good thing at this point.

  9. jerruhjones says: Dec 14, 2010 12:45 PM

    I think Mangini has done a lot with not much talent. Daboll has got to go and Delhomme has to be benched.

  10. 8dollarbeer says: Dec 14, 2010 12:48 PM

    The coach who thinks Delhomme is a better option than Seneca Wallace is one I wouldn’t want coaching my team. Delhomme is an absolute abortion out there. Holmgren should fire himself for giving that clown 7 Million bucks!

  11. nevadausa16 says: Dec 14, 2010 12:58 PM

    Firing Mangini would be as a joke. Holmgren forced him to win with Delhomme and Wallace. The best success this team had was when McCoy was playing. Give the guy some better players, and you’ll see more improvement.

    But Delhomme? Please.

  12. brownstown2 says: Dec 14, 2010 1:01 PM

    Assuming Holmgren pulls the trigger, it’s hard for me to accept the guidance of a man who seems like he’s out of the door at any given moment.

    Mangini has done a good job with the talent that he has. When Colt McCoy has been QB, the Browns have beaten New England and New Orleans, while losing to NYJ in OT. The man has simply had terrible QB play for most of his tenure (Derek Anderson! Brady Quinn! Jake Delhomme!). I don’t know too many coaches that can win with 10-14 pts of offense per game.

  13. hobartbaker says: Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM

    Never mind, Mangini, what about Condi’s DISGUSTING PURPLE TORSO? OMFG!!!!!
    Eeeww….Yukkk.

    She must be numb from the neck down. Except for her lovely brown hands. Send that pic to SB Nation.

  14. tombreck says: Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM

    With the defense having collapsed in the Q4 of so many games not sure I want Ryan coaching the team either. He’s OK but no head coach. Someone is going to find that out.

    Why would anyone say Mangini has earned another year? If you reward mediocrity then don’t expect anything more than mediocrity. Don’t forget Mangini is responsible for the pathetic 2009 draft where we passed over Clay Matthews Jr and Rey Maliluga to draft Brian Robiskie.

    Gruden could beat these guys into shape, as could Marty.

  15. erikinhell says: Dec 14, 2010 1:06 PM

    Mangini will have to tank on the last 3 games to lose his job. It’s not as much a coaching problem as a personell problem at this point. Delhomme is done as a QB. There are no WRs worth worrying about for opposing defenses. The only offensive weapon at this point is Hillis. Cribbs looks like he put on 20 lbs of off season “they paid the man” weight and hasn’t been the same. It almost seems the best thing that happened this year was Joe Haden and TJ Ward getting to start for the team, and McCoy’s seeming emergence as a starting NFL QB.

    Daboll’s offense has worked with McCoy and Wallace in the game, but not with Delhomme. Mangini’s biggest mistake at this point has been starting Delhomme when he should have started Wallace. Hopefully he’ll realize that mistake and start Wallace or McCoy this week.

  16. medialovesthecowboys says: Dec 14, 2010 1:13 PM

    Stick with Mangini.

    As someone who’s always had a soft spot for Cleveland, I watch this team quite a bit. I would say keep him. They’re in much better shape since he’s taken over. He’s the right man for the job. Not a iron-fist guy like he was in New York. Just like Jim Schwartz is the right man for Detroit and Jason Garrett is the right man for Dallas.
    Fire Singletary, Norv Turner or Jeff Fisher, sure. But Cleveland is insane if they give up on Mangini.

  17. cbrianwatkins says: Dec 14, 2010 1:15 PM

    Keep in mind this isn’t a “report” but rather informed speculation. Still, it shows that nothing is settled when it comes to Mangini’s status.

    ————————————————–

    so this post was based off of a journalist who DOES NOT Work for the team?

  18. mayfieldroadboy says: Dec 14, 2010 1:17 PM

    If there is such a lack of talent on this team, why won’t Holmgren go after talent; all I see now are players coming and going and none ever seeing the field of play. When talent was available during the summer, Holmgren signed Delhomme…what a genius move! It’s as if Holmgren wants Mangini’s offense to crumble so he can 1) fire Mangini and hire Gruden or 2) fire Mangini and Daboll and then take over the coaching duties, as well as retaining his present position as president and continue as Randy Lerner in absentia. I lean toward #2 knowing Holmgren’s lust for power and control.

  19. emmac13 says: Dec 14, 2010 1:19 PM

    If Mangini stays and Daboll is booted. What are the chances Josh McDaniels becomes the new OC?

  20. darkcvc says: Dec 14, 2010 1:21 PM

    So you are going to penalize the guy for something that he is not in charge of anymore. They gave the GM powers to Heckert with Holmgren overseeing it, and look at the draft we had this year, one of the best in recent memory, and perhaps the best of the whole 2010 draft.

    Mangini was no GM, and he proved that, and has since been relieved of those powers. Rogers Poll ranks us with the #2 most difficult schedule and we have 5 wins, 2 of which were over top 5 opponents, and we had a ton of close games.

    Last year we were #13 in schedule, and had 5 wins, most of which came against teams with losing or mediocre records. Mangini has shown improvement over a year, which is all you can ask for. You just cannot look at the records here, since these two teams and schedules are completely different.

    What head coach could have taken this team to a super bowl this year? Is that what someone has to do to keep their job in Cleveland? 2 years and no super bowl and they are fired. This is not Washington, give him some time to build this team and make more progress with them. We have already had 6 coaches since this team came back into the league, let’s stick with one for a bit longer and see if it works.

  21. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Dec 14, 2010 1:22 PM

    In the spirit of full disclosure, I am no fan of Eric Mangini. But didn’t the Browns finish with a 5-11 record for the 2009 regular season? Hypothetically speaking, if the Browns beat the Bengals, and lose to the Ravens and Steelers, then wouldn’t their record improve to 6-10 for the 2010 season? If that ends up to be the extent of improvement under Mangini, then I think it’s time for Mike Holmgren to throw his hat back into the head coaching ring, and give Eric Mangini the boot.

  22. crumpledstiltskin says: Dec 14, 2010 1:31 PM

    Browns avg 23.3 points with Colt Mccoy at QB

    Browns avg 13.1 points with Jake at QB

    You want to keep your job, get Colt under center ASAP.

  23. hekofit says: Dec 14, 2010 1:34 PM

    For the first time since they have been back, the Browns have shown steady, fundamental improvement. You can see the foundation of the team becoming more solid.
    And improvements in specific positions will make show up in the win column next season.

  24. runwright44 says: Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM

    I call fiddlesticks. Mary Kay and Tony Grossi of the Plain Dealer have been wanting Mangini’s exit since day one.

    Well stated. These two seem to delight in wallowing in negativity. They also believe they have the power to force decisions on the Browns front office. I don’t even read any of the crap they write anymore.

  25. themage78 says: Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM

    tombreck says:
    Dec 14, 2010 1:03 PM
    With the defense having collapsed in the Q4 of so many games not sure I want Ryan coaching the team either. He’s OK but no head coach. Someone is going to find that out.

    Why would anyone say Mangini has earned another year? If you reward mediocrity then don’t expect anything more than mediocrity. Don’t forget Mangini is responsible for the pathetic 2009 draft where we passed over Clay Matthews Jr and Rey Maliluga to draft Brian Robiskie.

    Gruden could beat these guys into shape, as could Marty.

    ————————————————
    Firstly, How is Mangini responsible for who a GM says to take? Didn’t they take away his complete control over the roster? And Malliluga has been good when he’s been on the field, but he hasn’t been. He’s on IR for the Bengals if i’m right.
    Who did this team have to throw to? They got rid of Edwards and had castoffs from the Jets. Sorry but Chansi Stuckey isn’t going to light it up out there.
    The team was horrible and now it’s getting close. Let McCoy out there for a bit and have another good draft.
    If this team wasn’t playing in the AFC North, they’d might be .500 at this point. Hard to have 4 games against 2 top 10 defenses and expect to win some with the talent on this roster.

  26. hobartbaker says: Dec 14, 2010 1:44 PM

    “Hey Mang, get off the ‘hot seat’, goddamit! I got about 17 pounds of bodily waste fightin’ to get past my anal sphincter muscle at the moment. Whaddya doin’ reading War and Peace in there?”.

  27. erikinhell says: Dec 14, 2010 1:45 PM

    Mary Kay Cabot is a journalist that works against the team. Her and Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer have been calling, hinting, or insinuating that Mangini should be fired since he was hired. I guess the team didn’t consult them and their pissed.

    The Cleveland media didn’t care much for bellichick either, which also might have something to do with their speculation.

  28. clevefan4life says: Dec 14, 2010 2:08 PM

    Give the guy 1 more year. This team is improved despite a severe lack of talent at key postions. And lets not forget the injuries to several key ppl. I know injuries are part of game. But what do you expect when you lose all your QB’s at different points, the captain of your D, your playmaker is underperfoming, the right side of the O line seems to have different players each week and #21 is horrible. As much as the ’99 draft sucked, at least we got a great center in Mack. There is a structure in place…Stick with it. Like the post above said, it would only put this team back 5 more yrs. As far as Mary Kay Cabot goes, she is as worthless as Jake Delhomme at this point. She never reports facts. She just speculates to stir the pot and tries to turn the fanbase against the HC. She has been doing since they came back. Screw her and the Plain Dealer (except for Pluto, he’s good).

    Go Browns!

  29. extreme469 says: Dec 14, 2010 2:30 PM

    not completely convinced on Mangini…on the other hand, Delhomme is done…there were lot’s of negative comments here about the Delhomme signing when it happened…I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and thought maybe he needed a new start…i was wrong…it seems to me that the team should be playing harder for Mangini at this point…they simply played uninspired football sunday.

  30. audient says: Dec 14, 2010 3:43 PM

    I think it is fair to say that the Browns have to finish the season strong for Mangini to be secure in his job. The team needs to look good. I don’t know that 2 out of 3 is the threshold for Mangini to keep his job. But the team needs to look a lot better than it did in Buffalo last week.

    That said, I hope the Browns keep Mangini. I’d love to see the Browns win 2 out of their last 3, or better yet, 3 out of 3, and beat all of the division rivals.

    I really don’t want to see the Browns start all over again, yet again. I am not dazzled by the idea of Gruden, or by the idea of Holmgren giving himself the job.

  31. kimcon22000 says: Dec 14, 2010 5:37 PM

    runwright44 says:
    Dec 14, 2010 1:43 PM
    I call fiddlesticks. Mary Kay and Tony Grossi of the Plain Dealer have been wanting Mangini’s exit since day one.

    Well stated. These two seem to delight in wallowing in negativity. They also believe they have the power to force decisions on the Browns front office. I don’t even read any of the crap they write anymore.

    ================================

    Yet, you still read this tripe?

    Geeez ……….

  32. mborz says: Dec 14, 2010 5:44 PM

    Not a Browns fan, but I’ve watched them quite a bit this year and agree that they’re playing consistently good football. Almost all of their losses have been close, and they’ve got some impressive wins.

    I’d be really surprised if Mangini lost his job this year.

  33. sealedhuman says: Dec 14, 2010 6:46 PM

    I don’t understand how anyone can say that the Browns have made progress this year. They just lost to one of the worst teams in the league. The Bills prevented the Browns from crossing midfield after halftime.

    To those who say that the Browns have no talent: If the Browns didn’t have any talent, then they would not have been able to beat, let alone dominate, the Saints and the Patriots. The inconsistency paired with the poor personnel decisions are the direct result of coaching.

  34. j0esixpack says: Dec 14, 2010 7:10 PM

    Mangini isn’t an awful coach… he’s not a great coach

    The talent on the team is dramatically improved… but the Browns record is mediocre

    Which is what Mangini is – a mediocre coach.

    Holmgren has a responsibility to look at every position on the team – including coach – and determine if there’s an opportunity to improve it.

    If Holmgren sees an opportunity to replace a mediocre coach with a good coach, I expect he will do so.

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