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Does anyone believe Ryan, Westhoff didn’t know what Alosi was doing?

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We’ve talked to plenty of league sources and insiders this week regarding the incident that occurred on Sunday in the Meadowlands, when Jets strength coach Sal Alosi, standing in formation with five others, stuck out a knee and tripped Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll.

And no one with whom we’ve spoken — no one — believes that Jets coach Rex Ryan and/or Jets special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff didn’t know what Alosi was doing.

Most have spoken about it off the record.  On Thursday, one of Ryan’s former bosses in Baltimore was blunt.

Of course Rex knew about this,” former Ravens coach Brian Billick told ESPN Radio’s Mike & Mike in the Morning.  Ryan worked for Billick for nine years, so we’ll defer to Billick’s knowledge and opinions in this regard.

Though no one (to our knowledge) has said on the record that Westhoff knew, we continue to hear from a reliable source (as opposed to our usual unreliable sources) that Westhoff knew, too, despite Westhoff’s denials.

How couldn’t Ryan and Westhoff know?  As we’ve said before, watch the video.  Rex Ryan is standing with the Alosi alignment in plain sight.

As to Westhoff, we continue to be befuddled by his belief that the Patriots and other teams are engaging in similar tactics and in Westhoff’s view it’s no big deal, while Westhoff insists that he’d never engage in such behavior, even though he thinks it’s no big deal.  Then there’s the fact that Westhoff claimed as of Wednesday to have knowledge about other teams’ behavior in this regard, but that “before this happened I never really looked at anybody’s sideline in all my years.”

Thus, we are to believe that, with the team mired in a two-game losing streak, Westhoff spent significant time on Monday and Tuesday reviewing enough tape of multiple other teams to detect for the first time in his 29-year pro coaching career that multiple teams use non-players as roadblocks for gunners.  And he’s OK with that, even though he has never done it once.  In 29 years.

What of the reality that Alosi and others were doing this in plain view of anyone on the sidelines?  We realize that things can get hectic during a game, but to believe that this had been happening on a consistent basis right under Ryan’s and Westhoff’s noses means that they knew about it and they’re now covering it up — or that they’re too incompetent to have noticed.

Speaking of a cover up, we’ll continue to be suspicious that Alosi is taking the fall for others as long as his employment with the Jets continues.  As we pointed out the other day, Alosi’s wrongdoing assumed a higher level of culpability when he lied to the team and the media on Monday about not instructing others to stand on the edge of the white stripe in the hopes of limiting Carroll’s ability to run out of bounds.  Most employers will immediately fire an employee who lies within the confines of an internal investigation.

If Alosi isn’t fired, we’ll assume that his ultimate punishment for stupidly sticking out his knee while otherwise doing what he was told to do will be assuming the public blame for telling others to stand there.  If he instead ends up leaving the team, it likely will come after he has signed a document that states unequivocally that no one else told him to do it — along with a document that gives him a severance package in exchange for a waiver of all claims and, more importantly for the Jets, a commitment to never talk about the situation publicly or privately.

As one league insider explained it to us, strength coaches simply aren’t involved in on-field tactics.  On game days, they’re not really “coaches” at all.  Their work is done.  Strength coaches aren’t typically going to think of strategies for helping the on-field interests of the team, and if in the rare case a strength coach does indeed have an epiphany about something that could benefit the cause, he’s not going to implement it without telling the head coach or the special-teams coordinator.

Then there’s the fact that the Jets have trotted out tight end Jeff Cumberland to publicly place all the blame on Alosi.

He never really just gave a reason,” Cumberland said, per ESPN. “He just said during punt return, ‘You just stand right here by this line, everybody just stand right here.’  There wasn’t really a reason why.  But we kinda figured just in case somebody ran over here.”

As Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com reports, the league is now actively investigating the Jets for using inactive players to form a sideline wall during punts, and for Westhoff’s decision to publicly accuse the Patriots of doing the same thing.

Plenty of league insiders are now rolling their eyes, given the widespread belief that the league office tends to look the other way when it comes to the Jets.  One league source says that at least five owners firmly believe that, for whatever reason, the league office is inclined to go easy on the Jets.

The league office currently has an opportunity to debunk that perception — or to solidify it.

And while the reality remains that other teams have indeed done the same thing, the Jets’ apparent failure to come clean from the get go has given this thing legs (other than Alosi’s), once again proving the adage that the cover up is always worse than the crime.

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79 Responses to “Does anyone believe Ryan, Westhoff didn’t know what Alosi was doing?”
  1. savocabol1 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:09 AM

    What I still fail to understand is why this is an issue? I get that it was the biggest bone head move to actually trip the player but besides that aspect they are on the sidelines, behind the white lines. They are not doing anything illegal. In fact, the gunner is the one breaking the rules by running out of bounds (unless they are forced out). This whole issue has been blown way out of proportion.

  2. dutchman1350 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:16 AM

    Jets hater here – STOP IT!!!!!!

    The only thing Alosi did wrong was tripping Carrol…Thats it! Everyone was within the boundaries of the coaches box.

  3. jcspiggle says: Dec 17, 2010 8:25 AM

    Does anyone care? Mike let’s move on. They can stand where or however they want on the sideline. Of all the possible things you could be spending your time on right now, this is what you choose to write about?

  4. jemasownbrand says: Dec 17, 2010 8:34 AM

    @savocabol1

    From my understanding (and I could be wrong) the reason it’s a big deal is not because they were lined up there, but because they are inactive players and inactive players can’t stand in certain areas on the sideline. If this were players suited up I don’t think it’s illegal, but it is against the rules to have inactive players in that position. Most teams use the practice but I believe for the most part it’s suited players.

  5. bcozthenight says: Dec 17, 2010 8:35 AM

    Jets hater here — KEEP IT UP!!!!!

    The only RULE Alosi broke was tripping Carrol.

    It’s WRONG to game the system, even if it isn’t technically against the rules. Yet.

    It’s WRONG to lie, even if the lie pertains to something that while shameful, isn’t exactly illegal.

    Just ask Bill Clinton.

  6. Jay says: Dec 17, 2010 8:38 AM

    It’s pretty hilarious to read the posts of certain fans. Anything negative and all the sudden they’re a “HATER”.

    If Alosi and the others on the sideline weren’t doing anything wrong, then why has it been such a big deal to Westhoff to clear his name and prove that he had nothing to do with it?

    The formation of a human wall like that isn’t illegal since there aren’t any laws prohibiting it. It’s also not against the rules of the game.

    But let’s not sit here and pretend like lining up players along the sideline to influence the course of a game is fine.

    If it were another team doing that to the Jets we all know there would be such an outcry of injustice.

  7. crackerjack1 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:39 AM

    “One league source says that at least five owners firmly believe that, for whatever reason, the league office is inclined to go easy on the Jets.”

    How can you just say ‘for whatever reason’ when the obvious reason is that Goodell is biased to the team he started out with as an intern?

  8. crackerjack1 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:40 AM

    “What I still fail to understand is why this is an issue? I get that it was the biggest bone head move to actually trip the player but besides that aspect they are on the sidelines, behind the white lines. They are not doing anything illegal. ”

    What is illegal is using practice squad & inactive players to stand in the coaches zone. That is illegal.

  9. steeelfann says: Dec 17, 2010 8:41 AM

    The Bard said it best and you could apply it to Westoff:

    “THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH”.

    Ask any investigator, police officer, etc. about the Westoff interview. They will all tell you the same thing.

    “GUILTY”

  10. pastabelly says: Dec 17, 2010 8:43 AM

    dutchman1350 says:
    Dec 17, 2010 8:16 AM
    Jets hater here – STOP IT!!!!!!

    The only thing Alosi did wrong was tripping Carrol…Thats it! Everyone was within the boundaries of the coaches box.
    ===============================
    Another Jets hater here – I agree on Alosi. From what Matt Chatham said on WEEI, Alosi is a good guy who had one bad moment. For that trip, he should be fined and suspended for the remainder of the year.

    But the problem here is the coverup and the constant lying from the Jets. There is no team that took greater pleasure in what went down with Belichick and Spygate and they have been obnoxious bores who deserve some punishment. So far, all we have seen is some regular guy get fined and suspended and the Jets get totally out of this. To make it worse, they start accusing the Patriots. Unbelievable.

  11. jetsfansrdumbasses says: Dec 17, 2010 8:43 AM

    Actually you guys are both wrong the coaches box is only for coaches and substitution players. Inactives are not allowed to congregate in the coaches box and that’s exactly who the jets placed along side with Alosi.

  12. thecgroup says: Dec 17, 2010 8:44 AM

    Typical PFT/nfl….

    The officials on the field still have not fixed the consistency problem and the NFL/PFT want to change the subject.

    The only illegal thing they did was trip the player, everyone agrees that was illegal and should have been called (but then again where were the officials on that play???) oh thats right, they werent looking where they should have been. Just like Ben getting hit in the head three weeks in a row and only one flag… not to mention the other hits…

    Fix the officiating consistency and then we can worry about new sideline rules….

  13. steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:44 AM

    i agree. it was a shameful act, we get it. let it go now. its not like they were caught taping signals and walkthroughs

  14. steelerer says: Dec 17, 2010 8:48 AM

    Man your beating this one to death. cant wait til the seasons over and you crying about collusion every 5 mins. Let it go.

  15. xxwhodatxx says: Dec 17, 2010 8:49 AM

    I’m no jets fan and still don’t know why this(lining up out of bounds) is a big deal ,when alosi decided to stick his knee out that was seriously out of line, but standing in a line I mean come on is there not another story out there?

  16. grpatriot says: Dec 17, 2010 8:49 AM

    You’re kidding right?
    Goodell worked for the Jets! Who has had more scandels than the Jets? Nobody!!!
    1. Sexual Harrasment to female sideline reporter
    Woody Johnson agrees to pay for education. No sanction.
    2. Brett Farve’s junk and sexy texties to Sterger!
    Still under investigation? What’s the hold-up??
    It’s all on Deadspin.com???
    3. Unfairly accusing the Patriots of wrongdoing.
    Why bring the patriots into the Tripgate conversation? Westhoff has to file a complaint with the league, that’s the procedure!
    4. Tripgate! The intent to injure a player by a coach from the sideline? WTF is that???
    Not even including the fact that the Jets were caught taping at Gillette in 2006 play offs. They security personel were asked to remove the Jets employee and video camera, The story was in the Boston Globe and Herald.

    The Commish needs to demonstrate that he is consistent with discipline, even with the Jets! Maybe even more so, because he worked for them!

  17. theandy59 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:52 AM

    You guys are missing the point – the Jets are guilty of having player’s off the field engage in an activity designed specifically to affect the outcome of the game on the field. Fortunately, there was no real consequence to their action, but consider what would have happened had the Jets punt returner wound up scoring a TD, or setting one up with a long return, going right past the Dolphin defender laying on the ground as a result of the “sideline wall”. This is a very big deal and I’ll be very disappointed if the Jets aren’t severely punished. The Pats lost a first round pick for engaging in an activity that numerous coaches have acknowledged they also engaged in, and nobody has been able to credibly put forward a scenario where the information gleaned by the Pats could be put to use IN THE GAME in any meaningful way. I believe the penalty the Patriots received was more reflective of the insolence shown by Belichick in ignoring a directive from the league, than it was for any competitive advantage gained.

  18. tfaulk says: Dec 17, 2010 8:52 AM

    A lot of people seem to be ignoring the obvious as well: a wall is useless if the defenders don’t know about it so they can time their blocks out of bound to occur in front of/at the wall. Which happened. Five guys don’t line up like that, and defenders don’t allow gunners to go 10-15 yards untouched before trying to block them out of bounds right in the vicinity of the wall. But it happened. Very odd that the defenders were able to take advantage of something they had no clue was occurring because it was just organized spontaneously by a trainer and some practice field on the sideline.

  19. Doc. Rogers says: Dec 17, 2010 8:54 AM

    This is unacceptable to any standard. Don’t defend someone who should be fired. Hundreds of people would kill to have that guy’s job. And as far as #1 you clearly don’t know the NFL rules. Gunners can run out of bounds on the white lines, so can a defender, Fitzgerald did it in the Super Bowl, but if it weren’t for one of his own team mates he would have stopped Harrison from scoring that TD. #Message!

  20. bbb82 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:55 AM

    Yeah but Rex Ryan gives great interviews and jokes with the media. So he’s obviously a great coach and couldn’t have anything to do with this.

  21. jackhall00 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:56 AM

    I don’t know on this. Watch any game and you see the whole team, staff, video guys on the sidelines. Sometimes coaches and players will venture onto the field to see a play while it is still happening.
    You could make the case that every single person standing on the sidelines was “in on it.”

  22. kct115 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:56 AM

    I agree with savocabol1. Why is this a big deal at all? The only thing Sal Alosi did wrong was trip Nolan Carroll. Telling players where to stand on the sideline, out of the field of play, is not wrong. If they are within the players/coaches box, they can stand however they want for any reason they want.

  23. buckeye044 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:56 AM

    @dutchman

    Wrong. They were supposed to be behind the line 3 feet behind where they were.

  24. krow101 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:58 AM

    Only the usual fanboys will believe having players lined up like that was some sort of an accident. It’s obviously intentional. And if that’s the case then Ryan knew. Because head coaches are extremely detailed, obssessive compulsive types. So please… if it was intentional, and it was, then he knew.

    It’s sad that the’s throwing his assistant coach to the dogs. A startling lack of honor. But hey, that’s Rex… a low class bum.

  25. harrisonhits2 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:59 AM

    “Everyone was within the boundaries of the coaches box.”

    @dutchman1350, you need to learn the actual rules of the game.

    Inactive players are not allowed in the coaching box. Only coaches and dressed players actively waiting to enter the game are allowed in it. Having inactive players there is against the rules.

  26. pshinnyc says: Dec 17, 2010 8:59 AM

    Why do I envision a tense press conference in the near future with Coach Ryan “on the stand”:

    Reporter: “Coach Ryan, did you order the Code Red (sideline wall)?”

    Coach: “You’re damn right I did!” “You want me on that wall!” “You need me on that wall!”

  27. acarty says: Dec 17, 2010 8:59 AM

    dutchman…sorry but I think you are wrong. The broad wide stripe is not the coaches box/restraining line.

    The restraining line is the white line BEHIND them in the video; they were all too close to the field; that being said, I can’t remember a penalty ever being called for violating that line.

  28. PFTiswhatitis says: Dec 17, 2010 9:03 AM

    This Tripgate stuff is just terrific. It couldn’t happen to a better team. I only have one for PFT though, since it isn’t illegal to “clog” the sidelines in case a gunner tries to run through, why not just say that the Alosi alignment was not illegal? Its the cover-up, lies, and scapegoating of Alosi, and of course the “trip” thats at the heart of the issue. So why not just point that out. I mean it would be common sense to clog the area. The Jets took it a step farther. It just happened to backfire on the stupid Jets because of the trip and because they are stupid (proven by their handling of the whole thing).

  29. jwinn006 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:04 AM

    Here’s what I do not understand. Whether this is an issue with the Jets or an issue with other teams as well, shouldnt the investigation take only a couple of hours? Just look at game tape. Go on youtube. Watch the games. If it’s happening more than this one singular incident with Alosi, then it should be pretty quick to see.
    My other opinion on this issue is that, lining up in a wall like the Jets did is not illiegal so no punishment can be handed down, however obviously tampering with a player (such as tripping) is illegal, so the punishment of Alosi is justified. I do believe though what they Jets did (or just Alosi) by lining up a wall of people is dangerous practice and everyone, including the NFL is extremely fortunate that Nolan Carroll was not severly injured. This could have been much uglier, so the NFL needs to be sure to thouroughly investigate this whole situation (again, just by looking at game tape for a few hours).

  30. grogansheroes says: Dec 17, 2010 9:05 AM

    Let me channel all non Patriot fans- The Jets are cheaters, Rex Ryacheat should have his thumbs cut off, Mike Westacheat should be fired! Fine them a first round pick, take away their Super Bowl victory in 1969! Who knows how long this has been going on. CHeaters! Cheaters! Cheaters!!!

  31. richm2256 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:07 AM

    What’s the big deal, you say?

    The Jets have lied …… they lied to the media, the public, and worst of all, to the league. When you repeatedly lie – as the Jets have here – you draw suspicion of what you are lying FOR; what are you lying to hide???

    If the Jets lied about this not being an organized practice, that this was a one-time formation and the tripping was a one-time act by a lone person, then it stands to question whether Alosi and the team are lying to cover up that this tripping was orderd by Westhoff or Ryan. This is given weight by the fact that a second person also moved to hit Carroll. No one has yet identified that person, by the way, nor has he answered a single question about his involvement by dropping a shoulder into Carroll’s direction.

    Are we supposed to believe that two people randomly decided simulateously to attempt the same exact act at exactly the same time?

    As I said before, it isn’t just about whether the “Alosi Wall” ws in an illegal place, that there were people in it who shouldn’t have been there at all, or that it was an organized and sanctioned practice regularly endorsed (commanded?) by the Jets coaching staff, or that this is practiced by any other specific team ……

    No, it’s about whether Westhoff and/or Ryan ordered these people to try and deliberately impede/injure an oposing player, and their lies in attempting to cover that up. The fact that Alosi supposedly acted as a “renegade”, then lied to the organization and the public (further embarrassing the organization), yet hasn’t been fired, clearly suggests a Quid Pro Quo.

    This thing stinks to high heavens, and if any “gate” is true to the original (Watergate) it’s “Thighgate”. The Jets – already an embarrassment by their play on the field (for a team headed to the Super Bowl) – have placed themselves AND the leaugue in a very awkward position, and we will see this take an ugly turn if the media and the other owners keep a light shined on this.

  32. bender4700 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:09 AM

    to Sav

    If two Jet blockers push a ST’s Gunner out of bounds, into that wall, they are effectively removing a player from the field of play without having to legally block him.

    What happens is the gunner is forced out of bounds into the wall, a collision happens causing him to tumble and be out of the play as it will take several seconds to get back up and take off after the play. Meanwhile the two blockers return to the play and block another defender. 10 to 11 at that point.

    THAT’S CHEATING!

    The Jets are trying and succeeded in removing one player entirely from the play illegally. The league neeeeeeeeeeeds to bring the hammer down, otherwise it will be a PR nightmare if they come out with the BS about player safety but something that is a direct, on purpose, attack on player safety is left alone.

  33. robzar says: Dec 17, 2010 9:13 AM

    Is Rexy using the same shovel he used to bury that football to dig the hole that he’s putting the whole team into now?? What a bloated tub of goo this clown is.

  34. semperfi24 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:15 AM

    This is clearly not an issue. The reason I know this is a non issue, is because I have learned from Spygate. I learned 2 things from Spygate:
    1) Anything to gain a competitive advantage is CHEATING (unless your team isnt named the Patriots)
    2) No team cheats (tries to gain a competitive advantage) unless their name is the Patriots

    So there you have it. This was the Jets, not the Patriots, so they werent cheating, and this is no big deal. Just like the Jets filming in Foxboro, that wasnt cheating. Just like the Dolphins placing microphones on DL (strangely that seems to be attributed to the Pats for some reason: see Dolphins 21 Pats 0 from 06?). Just like the salary cap violations of the Broncos, 49ers, Cowboys and Steelers wasnt cheating. Just like the Broncos filming a walk through of the 49ers wasnt cheating. Just like the Jets pilfering Bill Parcells from the Pats after the 96′ season, during the 96′ season wasnt cheating………

    This link is for the Steelers fans that will attack for mentioning them, since their franchise would never even dream of “cheating”: http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/19990823salary2.asp

  35. heynow2 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:18 AM

    Actually fellas, inactive players are NOT allowed to stand where those players were standing. Maybe it’s not a huge violation in the grand scheme of things, but to say they weren’t doing anything illegal besides the trip is inaccurate.

    The NFL rulebook is pretty clear about this, has a diagram and everything which should make understanding it a lot easier for Jets fans.

  36. hooterdawg says: Dec 17, 2010 9:18 AM

    There is absolutely nothing illegal about a wall of coaches as long as they are behind the coaches line on the sideline. PFT’s efforts to make it seem sinister is way off base. It is barking like a junkyard dog over nothing. It is worth noting that a gunner – if blocked out of bounds – must make an effort to return to the field of play ASAP. A penalty could have been called on Carroll because it does not appear that he was blocked out of bounds nor was making any effort to get back on the field of play.

  37. cobrala says: Dec 17, 2010 9:19 AM

    I have to agree with dutchman1350:
    the only unsportsmanlike action was the trip.

    I could not care less about the rest of this ‘story’.

  38. cubano76 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:30 AM

    Every team cheats to some extent these days.

  39. emmac13 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:30 AM

    All he is guilty of is the poor decision to trip. The sideline is the Jets area. They should be able to stand where ever and however they want. But they should not be moving to get invovled in the play.

  40. molehillsmountains says: Dec 17, 2010 9:31 AM

    Really? You wrote that much? Yeah — he is probably lieing to the media. So what.

    And, maybe he checked out youtube and saw some shenanigans on other sidelines. And really, who cares. Is it illegal to form a wall on the sideline? Are the Jets required to tell YOU what their strategy is?

    I hate the Jets as much as the next guy, but a moron stuck out his knee and that is the story. He should probably be fired FOR STICKING OUT HIS KNEE, but that is it.

    Unless you can point to rule about how to stand on the sidelines, let it go…

  41. psousa1 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:32 AM

    semperfi24 – you forgot to mention after spygate Jimmy Johnson said the Cowboys did the same thing when he was there. I still remember Rex Ryan saying (he was Ravens D-Coordinator) that he knew 8-10 teams were still doing it when New England got caught.

    Nobody cared about that.

  42. emmac13 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:32 AM

    I am sure many coaches knew about this. And I am sure they are not the only ones who do it. I seriously doubt they were the brain trust behind this idea.

  43. tiffpats4eva says: Dec 17, 2010 9:33 AM

    steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:44 AM
    i agree. it was a shameful act, we get it. let it go now. its not like they were caught taping signals and walkthroughs
    ***********

    Or caught allowing a team physician to prescribe HGH.

  44. kev86 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:40 AM

    bad karma – Same Old Jets

  45. polamalusboyfriend says: Dec 17, 2010 9:42 AM

    Maybe the Squealers will pick him up…seems like their type of guy.

  46. j0esixpack says: Dec 17, 2010 9:49 AM

    Give Rex Ryan some credit – he’s the only coach apparently capable of making Jets fans miss Eric Mangini. (Not to mention the only coach to have gastric bypass surgery and GAIN weight!)

    It will be interesting to see how the team responds with Rex and his coaches spending their week reviewing every Patriots game sideline video going back a decade in an effort to deflect attention from themselves….

    When the Patriots players were unjustly accused of not earning their Super Bowl rings the team responded by rattling off 18 straight wins

    In this case though the only ones being accused of cheating and the cover up are the coaches – and I think the players are more than willing to let them twist in the wind.

  47. tim1999 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:52 AM

    Stuff like this is why nobody likes the media. All agenda all the time.

  48. richm2256 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:57 AM

    steelerdynasty2010 says:
    i agree. it was a shameful act, we get it. let it go now. its not like they were caught taping signals and walkthroughs
    ————————————————-

    Yeah, you’re right ………. tripping an opposing player running at full speed, and possibly ending his career with a blownout knee, is much less serious.

    tfaulk says:
    A lot of people seem to be ignoring the obvious as well: a wall is useless if the defenders don’t know about it so they can time their blocks out of bound to occur in front of/at the wall. Which happened. Five guys don’t line up like that, and defenders don’t allow gunners to go 10-15 yards untouched before trying to block them out of bounds right in the vicinity of the wall. But it happened. Very odd that the defenders were able to take advantage of something they had no clue was occurring because it was just organized spontaneously by a trainer and some practice field on the sideline.
    ————————————————–

    Great point, tfaulk. Two Jets defenders are clearly forcing Carroll off the field exactly where the “Alosi Wall” was. If this wall had never been done by the Jets before, how did those two defenders know to force him out RIGHT THERE?

    I still think that the second person in line, who clearly dips a shoulder towards Carroll, needs to be identified and spoken to. Two “random” acts at the same time, to impede or injure an opposing player is simply too much to ignore. It clearly was an organized and coordinated thing, even Jets fans have to wonder about that second guy dipping his shoulder.

    This whole thing stinks, and the league needs to get serious about investigating this.

  49. didiwags says: Dec 17, 2010 9:58 AM

    The Jets are a bunch of cheaters!! They have so many issues other than this one Tripgate that they need a whole revamp of there staff!!! Geez and I thought the Vikings had drama this season… the Jets have always been jealous of them and had to outdo them in the drama department!!!

  50. mrconnors says: Dec 17, 2010 9:59 AM

    New York Cheats*

    Take away their division title from…..whenever they last won it. Like 12 years ago or something.

  51. tatum064 says: Dec 17, 2010 10:01 AM

    its stupid and sounds like an excuse to light up a team that thought they were going to an AFC Championship game. An important lesson in humility. do it right like the Patriots and GET AWAY WITH IT, or dont bother. Just blow teams off the line, confuse Brady and play defense the right way like you were supposed to. Thats a good team, that needs to distance themselves from this, hard knocks, etc. May be too late already after that disastrous showing v. the Dolphins (a completely beatable opponent). Perhaps they can refocus after this…doubtful, though.

  52. gergie1957 says: Dec 17, 2010 10:09 AM

    No matter how much you Jets fans want to defend this guy it was a dirty bush league play . ” savocabol1 says:
    Dec 17, 2010 8:09 AM
    What I still fail to understand is why this is an issue? They are not doing anything illegal. ”

    This was a no class planned move that has no place in the NFL.

  53. pedsaregoodforsports says: Dec 17, 2010 10:18 AM

    Who cares? You want a sloution, here it is. they wanna stand there fine. The enxt time a gunner goes out of bounds wether intentionally or unintentionally, he shouldnt try to avoid them. HE SHOULD RUN THEIR STUPID ASSES OVER.

    It happens to refs, the people holding the firstdown markers and cameramen all they time. You know people who actually have a reason to be standing there in the first place and dont INTENTIONALLY TRY TO TRIP OR HURT PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS.

    And me thinks since the Jets admitted that they did this purposely, that the Steelers should line up James Harrison or Lamar Woodley as a gunner a few times and have them run their dumb cheating asses down. After one or two times, I GAURANTEE the Jets (and all other teams players) WILL BACK THE F UP and give the room that is needed.

    Problem solved.

  54. unbreakable02215 says: Dec 17, 2010 10:20 AM

    No.

  55. bbpats says: Dec 17, 2010 10:24 AM

    Oh man! I can hear Arlen Specter and Mike Fish banging at the door too!

  56. nothimagain says: Dec 17, 2010 10:25 AM

    The alignment was perfectly legal. The issue is Alosi’s decision to trip a player. Could have happened with or without other guys hanging out next to Sal.
    Do not care if the Jets knew about its staff doing something legal.

  57. kisstherings says: Dec 17, 2010 10:30 AM

    @savocabol1 says:Dec 17, 2010 8:09 AM What I still fail to understand is why this is an issue? I get that it was the biggest bone head move to actually trip the player but besides that aspect they are on the sidelines, behind the white lines. They are not doing anything illegal. In fact, the gunner is the one breaking the rules by running out of bounds (unless they are forced out). This whole issue has been blown way out of proportion.
    ———————————————————-

    Ok….I’m one of the biggest Jets haters out there and I have to agree with this dude – What is the big deal?

    The tripping: A VERY big deal

    The Sideline alignment: NOT a big deal

    Get over it “Mole Hill” Mike! Move on

  58. stealthscorpio says: Dec 17, 2010 10:31 AM

    Whatever

  59. unbreakable02215 says: Dec 17, 2010 10:36 AM

    grpatriot says: Dec 17, 2010 8:49 AM

    Not even including the fact that the Jets were caught taping at Gillette in 2006 play offs. They security personel were asked to remove the Jets employee and video camera, The story was in the Boston Globe and Herald.

    Man, I had forgotten that. What a scumbag Mangini is.
    Belichick gave the dude his LIFE. And that’s how he
    returned his gratitude. WOW.

  60. daCoach says: Dec 17, 2010 10:38 AM

    The problem is the Jets are a bunch of Arrogant Loud mouth A-holes who are unlikeable. Fat a$$ Ryan talks like he has 4 rings. They are the most unlikeable team I’ve ever seen. So everyone wants to see them get theirs. I’m sure all teams do this but to play it off like they didn’t know is BS. Ryan Knew, The gimp knew and so did Tannenbaum. They all need to be fined. What strength coach is going to set this up order inactive players where to stand. The coaches knew so stop treating us like we’re morons. Even if the league does nothing the Jets will get theirs by missing out on the playoffs after starting out 9-2.

  61. unbreakable02215 says: Dec 17, 2010 10:38 AM

    steelerdynasty2010 says: Dec 17, 2010 8:44 AM
    its not like they were caught taping signals and walkthroughs

    Who affiliated with the Patriots organization was caught
    filming a walk-thru ?

    Don’t worry Steelerdynasty, I’m sure New England will
    Kick the Stillers asses again in a few weeks.

  62. hairpie says: Dec 17, 2010 10:38 AM

    #
    semperfi24 says: Dec 17, 2010 9:15 AM

    This is clearly not an issue. The reason I know this is a non issue, is because I have learned from Spygate. I learned 2 things from Spygate:
    1) Anything to gain a competitive advantage is CHEATING (unless your team isnt named the Patriots)
    2) No team cheats (tries to gain a competitive advantage) unless their name is the Patriots

    So there you have it. This was the Jets, not the Patriots, so they werent cheating, and this is no big deal. Just like the Jets filming in Foxboro, that wasnt cheating. Just like the Dolphins placing microphones on DL (strangely that seems to be attributed to the Pats for some reason: see Dolphins 21 Pats 0 from 06?). Just like the salary cap violations of the Broncos, 49ers, Cowboys and Steelers wasnt cheating. Just like the Broncos filming a walk through of the 49ers wasnt cheating. Just like the Jets pilfering Bill Parcells from the Pats after the 96′ season, during the 96′ season wasnt cheating………

    This link is for the Steelers fans that will attack for mentioning them, since their franchise would never even dream of “cheating”: http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/19990823salary2.asp

    —————————-

    you nailed it!

  63. patriotinvasion says: Dec 17, 2010 10:52 AM

    @steelerdynasty2010

    Exactly what walkthrough are you referring to? The one your boy Matt Walsh said WASN’T FILMED?

    Seems like we have a bitter hick Steeler fan for all the Patriots BEATDOWNS he’s takin since 2001. We LOVE Heinz Field you bum…LOL…you like the taste of that a$$ WHOOPIN a few weeks ago??? 39 points are your Steeler D…hahaha…business as usual chump..

    PS – Rex Ryacheat and Mike Cheathoff are filthy CHEATERS! Long live Trip-Gate…filthy cheating Jets up to their old tricks…haha

  64. mannyiac says: Dec 17, 2010 10:54 AM

    Setting up the wall was an illegal act and it was coached.This is from ESPN.com:

    NFL vice president of football operations Ray Anderson has reviewed the play and he said what Alosi ordered was illegal. At the owners meetings in Fort Worth, Texas, he cited two NFL rules about where players, coaches and support staff are supposed to stand.

    When asked if they were in violation of the rules, Anderson said: “Yes.”

    This isn’t the first time Alosi has ordered players to line up either, according to a player who was on the wall on Sunday.

    “We’ve been doing that since the beginning of the year, standing right there. Sunday was not the first time that we’d been doing that,” Jets tight end Jeff Cumberland said.

  65. 7pints says: Dec 17, 2010 11:00 AM

    I think the incident has been blown out of proportion. Let’s look at the real issue… the Jets are scrambling to do anything they can right now, because their fat mouths wrote a check that their asses can’t cash. Personally, I am enjoying watching the panic.

  66. sbear13 says: Dec 17, 2010 11:01 AM

    Hooterdawg, what the hell? Do you mean as he was lying there in agony as a result of a knee to the thigh, just above his knee, from a strength coach who claims he had a momentary lapse of bad judgement as being indicative of not making an effort to get back in bounds? Please spare me. The fact of the matter is that within the ‘coaches’ box where only coaches and active players who are receiving instructions to re-enter the game are aloud to stand, was a strength coach, who has absolutely no input to game strategy or gameday coaching, assemling injured / inactive players to stand toe to toe to form a wall. So, the inactive players are not allowed to be within the coaches box, an illegal act, tripping an opponent running down the side line, inexcusable, deplorable act that definitely represents the character of the man. I’m tired of the apologist already, this was despicable act that is fundamentally wrong and deserves punishment. He should and will recieve a second chance, however, I’m not sure it should be with the Jets, because I can tell you with absolute certainty that if he where my employee he’d be fired. So with that being said, I must say that the reason he isn’t fired is that the coaching staff and the organization is definitely concerned with the truth about what was and wasn’t instructed, this is very obvious. And based on Rex’s bravado, the whole aura of ‘we are better than everybody mentality’ together with the fact that he was standing within 5 feet or so from the last inactive player in the line either shows he doesn’t know the rules as to who is allowed within the coaches box or doesn’t care. My guess is the latter as Rex doesn’t display any humility at all, he is just a better coach, scout, motivator and leader of men than anyone else on the planet. Hasn’t anyone else in the world noticed that in his eyes it is always someone elses fault, this week it was his defenses fault for allowing a field goal and a touchdown that both resulted from turnovers by the Sanchise. On a day when his defense held an opposing qb to 55 passing yards or so and held the Miami offense to a total of 130 yards or so, it was according to Rex his defense didn’t get it done. It wasn’t even that the Miami defense played a great game, which they did, granted they got lucky on Santonio’s drop, but there is never any admission from Rex that the other team was better than us today, which we all know, is the reality of sports. I once had a friend who told me you have to admit we had the better team, and I said no I don’t because we won the World Series and not your Yankees, on that week and on that day of game 6 the Marlins where definitely the better team. I think the Sal Alosi act not only demstrated the character of the man but the character of the organization under the current leadership. I long for the day where dignity and honor is gained as a result of your efforts and playing within the rules rather than the outcome of the competition. Being Humble in Victory and Defeat shows the true character of the man.

    Sincerely,
    Sbear13

  67. sickpuppyz says: Dec 17, 2010 11:09 AM

    PFT does a crappy job explaining rules and situations. The NFL has a RULE that came into effect in 2008, in which teams are prohibited from accusing other teams of wrongdoing unless they do it in good faith etc. The fact that a Jets employee has accused the Patriots of anything without doing it through the proper channels, and obviously not in good faith since he was doing it to deflect attention from the Jets, is what the NFL is investigating.

    I saw tape from the Bears-Pats game. There were suited players on the Pats sideline, but they were lined up casual with at least an arm length between them, not foot-to-foot as in the case of the jets and definitely not street dressed people

  68. siekviking says: Dec 17, 2010 11:23 AM

    Great article! I am glad someone is willing to call the NFL to do something. It amazes me that the big money teams seem to get away with everything. Let’s see if the commissioner has been bought out by the Jets. The man needs to be fired but he also needs to be permanently suspended from the NFL and the Jets need to lose a draft pick.

  69. thebigolddog says: Dec 17, 2010 11:35 AM

    Plenty of league insiders are now rolling their eyes, given the widespread belief that the league office tends to look the other way when it comes to the Jets. One league source says that at least five owners firmly believe that, for whatever reason, the league office is inclined to go easy on the Jets.

    It is time to put an end to the New York centric dominance of the National Football League. It’s time for the League office to move to another part of the country, DC or even LA perhaps so that the office will no longer be dominated by partisans of a single state.

    It’s time to stop electing New York Lawyers as Commissioner and officers and surrounding them with New Yorker partisans. It’s bad for the National sport.

  70. thebigolddog says: Dec 17, 2010 11:39 AM

    PS – it’s time for these 5 owners, and other who feel the same way, to put their foot down and start throwing their weight around. They are no more or less important than other owner and they deserve fairness and objectivity. If they don’t they will continue to treated as second-class owners and will have no right to complain about it since they are unwilling to do anything about it.

  71. pedsaregoodforsports says: Dec 17, 2010 11:50 AM

    7pints says:
    Dec 17, 2010 11:00 AM
    I think the incident has been blown out of proportion. Let’s look at the real issue… the Jets are scrambling to do anything they can right now, because their fat mouths wrote a check that their asses can’t cash. Personally, I am enjoying watching the panic.

    ^^^^

    LOL, agreed.

  72. pedsaregoodforsports says: Dec 17, 2010 11:53 AM

    cubano76 says:
    Dec 17, 2010 9:30 AM
    Every team cheats to some extent these days.

    ^^^^

    LOL if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin !!!

  73. benjaminbreeg11 says: Dec 17, 2010 12:44 PM

    There would not have been ANYTHING to talk about if Alosi had not tripped the player.

    Not only is a JETS coach caught trying to injure an opponents player, but then they try to cover it up by getting said coach out of the limelight, but still employed, and claim they did’nt know a thing about it.

    I guess it depends on what he meaning of is is (this will go way over the head of the average JETS fan).

    Rex and Westhoff’s lies are coming back to bite them. This is clearly an intentional attempt by the coaching staff, during a game, to affect the outcome of the game in the JETS favor, AT THE POSSIBLE EXPENSE OF A PLAYER’S safety and career.

    How about a GD snack!!!

  74. robsterny says: Dec 17, 2010 12:51 PM

    @ the bigolddog

    Go ahead!…take it out of NY..because the entire world knows that no such “partisan”influences happen anywhere else .*LOL*…your kidding !..right?…*L*

  75. cnaigbirdhead says: Dec 17, 2010 1:33 PM

    Of course I believe Rex. Why would any coach the caliber Rex try to gain any sort of an advantage? Are we to believe Rex is so damn stupid and oblivious that he did not know what his coaches were doing?

    Post Game TripGate Rexy thought-“Ha ha ha, oh my God! I almost didn’t do it, I almost didn’t do it! I thought, is this in bad taste? But you know what, I went for it. I went for it and I’m so glad I did! Ooooh, worth it, totally worth it.” Stewie Griffin

  76. nofunleague says: Dec 17, 2010 6:27 PM

    This was not an officiating job. They run down the white zone watching what is going on in the field of play. One would expect that adults could act as adults and not have to cheat to win. I;m not a Jets hater. I am a cheater hater. Rex is a cheater and it has rolled down hill from him. None of these punks could ever play golf since cheaters would be drummed out for good. Jets fans should be the most upset that their team has embarrassed themselves the city, the fans and football in general. don’t blame us or others for being haters. Blame the source. Your cheating team.

  77. 1historian says: Dec 17, 2010 9:12 PM

    I say this with only loooove in my heart –

    jets – plus ca change, plus la meme

    what else is new?

  78. 1historian says: Dec 17, 2010 9:28 PM

    Signals are stolen in every sport – baseball, football, hockey, tennis, probably even long distance running. (ha ha!)

    The Patriots were caught stealing the jets defensive signals in the first half of the first game of the 2007 season. they were told to stop – they did. It would follow that they would be watched extra carefully by the NFL fun police after that and since then there have been no complaints.

    (EVERYBODY KNOWS!) doesn’t count.

    Record since then? 49-15

    BTW – at that very same game (I was listening on the radio) in the 2nd half the jets qb whose name I forget was hurt. I could hear the jets fans on the radio cheering about it. It was so loud that even the radio announcer had to comment on how disgusting it was. I am not saying that ALL jets fans are like that but with fans like that who insist on displaying their boorishness to a disgusted world, that is the kind of rep you have got now.

    Patriots fans, on the other hand – like me – are content merely to be loud, obnoxious and arrogant, which is a right – even a solemn duty – when you have a team as good as ours.

    Were the Pats not as good as they are now we would not be as noisy and annoying as we are. But this has been going on for 10 years now and shows no sign of letting up. It of course eventually will slow up, but until then – just get used to it.

  79. CKL says: Dec 18, 2010 4:42 AM

    Mangini is the one who hired Alosi by the way.

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