You are elite when you trot on the field with 2 minutes & 80 yards to go, your team down, and the opposing defense sees you trot on the field and breathes (oh s..t!) under its breath.

By the same token – he is right to get pissed when asked the question.

Joe Flacco’s playoff “win’s” include QB ratings of 10.0, 18.2, & 48.4.

Flacco has more playoff QB ratings BELOW 20 than he does over 60. (2-1)

Let’s do a little by the numbers:

Most yardage Flacco has EVER thrown for in a playoff game? 189 yards

Total number of Flacco TD passes in the playoffs? 1

Total number of INTs Flacco has thrown in the playoffs? 6

Number of playoff games where Flacco has a better than 50% completion rating? 1

Number of playoff games where Flacco has completed 14 or more passes? 1

INSANE to suggest that because his team has won playoff games that Flacco is elite.

But Flacco has more “wins” in the playoffs in his 1st 2 seasons than Dan Marino, so I guess that makes Flacco better than Marino as well??? Let’s ignore the fact that it’s Ryan who is going to pass Marino’s NFL record for wins in the first 3 seasons of their career. (34-33 if the Falcons win out).

I’m straight down the line with mswravens on this one. The only change I’d make to his list is the addition of Favre to the elite line … at least until the retirement is absolutely without-a-doubt official.

Say what you will about Carl Peterson, but he built and offense with Trent Green, Tony Gonzalez, Preist Holmes, Larry Johnson and an offensive line that was second to none.

I would take that over what the Dolphins have fielded since Dan Marino retired.

I’m sick of our Sports casters/experts looking at stats that don’t show anything. Almost like they never watched the team play and only look at wins/losses.

57-120, 660 yards, 1 td, 6 int

Yeahhh.. he was clearly the reason the Ravens won those games.

True, but you also have a mediocre (at best) QB in Sanchez. If he was as talented as the NY loudmouths would try to force you to believe then they wouldn’t be staring at their 3rd straight loss this week.

Please refresh yourself on the definition of elite. Not everyone can be elite. Doing so negates the very meaning of the word.

Elite QBs: P-Manning , Brees, Brady, BR7

Foolio, Ryan took a team with the 9th WORST defense in football in 2008, a team that was one season removed from their DogKilling QB being sent to jail and their cowardly coach quitting them to go be a pig coach of a second-rate SEC team, TO THE PLAYOFFS.

Fluke-O was handed the keys to a Caddy. All he had to do was NOT SCREW UP. Have you even checked Fluke-O’s playoff stats? They’re HORRIBLE. He had NOTHING to do with ANY of the playoff wins. NOTHING.

Ryan was handed the keys to a Pinto and turned it into a Mustang.

Yeah, Foolio… I remember how two years ago, when Ryan won every award out there for an offensive rookie, you largely ignored it, but made a huge deal out of some made up Diet Pepsi Rookie award Fluke-O won.

Or how this year when Ryan was named Offensive Player of the Month for October, you refused to run the story until 5 days later.

Peter King, your NBC Buddy, sat in the Georgia Dome when the Falcons beat the Ravens and said that any “competition” between Ryan and Fluke-O isn’t even close.

Ryan’s decision making, his pocket-awareness, and his ability to convert third down after third down after third down… his CLUTCHNESS… cannot even be touched by Fluke-O.

Fluke-O is and will always be a caretaker. A guy who plays on a team with an outstanding defense who’s asked not to do too much to screw it up.

Ryan is Matt Ice. Ryan is the guy with the 5th most TDs in the last 3 years (Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rivers only guys with more) in the NFL. Ryan is the guy who’s began his career with MORE 4th Quarter comebacks than ANY QB in history. Ryan is the guy, who when he missed 3 games last year to injury, his team couldn’t overcome it and lost those games, yet who when he came back, won the last three games of the year against teams who were favored over them, delivering the Falcons something they’ve NEVER had in their entire existence… back to back winning seasons.

So yeah, Foolio… keep on telling us you’d take Fluke-O over Ryan.

You’re about the only one outside of Baltimore who would. Peter King wouldn’t. Jaws wouldn’t. Gruden wouldn’t. Aikman wouldn’t. No one who knows anything about football would.

What’s that say about you?

Look at the defense that has carried Flacco at times. And then look at some of his playoff wins.

Like that magical first win against the Dolphins in the wild card.

Flacco completed 9-of-23 attempted passes for 135 yards without no TD or INT’s.

How about the second game when they beat the Titans 13-10 and he was 11-of-22 for 148 yards and a touchdown.

Flacco made 13 of 30 pass attempts for 141 yards passing, was sacked three times, and intercepted three times in the 2009 AFC Championship Game versus the Pittsburgh Steelers.

So he won 2 out of his first 3 playoff games by completing less than 50% of his passes with more INT’s than TD’s. Last year he won 1 out of 2 by passing for 53% completions, 0 TD’s and 3 more picks. His ypa was under 5 as well. There’s nothing elite about ANY of those numbers besides the W/L column, which should be credited to the defense.

That has to be one of the worst evaluations I’ve seen on here so far, and I’m not just saying that because I’m a Falcons fan. Their career stats are pretty even at this point despite the fact that Flacco inherited a better team to start with.

And look at the team that beat the Falcons that year in the playoffs. The Cardinals. You know, who eventually went on to the Super Bowl and had an extremely high powered offense. Ryan still went 26 of 40(65%) with 2 picks and 2 TD’s.

Flacco is good and will be solid for years to come, but Ryan is to Flacco as Rivers is to Brady. It’s that simple.

all you do is criticize. It’s not Randy Moss’ fault they don’t throw the ball to him. What is he supposed to do? If he spoke up, you’d be ripping him apart again. Man, you frustrate me every time I read something you write.

Flacco is on track and may one day be elite…maybe even by February 2011. But I have to agree with the Steelers fans who already posted on this topic – he’s not there yet.

Elite: Brady, Manning, Ben, Brees, Rivers.

On the doorstep: Rodgers, Ryan, Vick

Next men up: Flacco, Schaub, Cassel, Bradford, Freeman

Over-rated: Eli, Romo, Cutler, Orton

This is a big turn game for both teams. Steelers win and the #2 seed will be locked up just about, and Jets will be out looking in for playoffs.
Steelers lose (please no!) and #2 seed will be in jeopardy and the Jets will be one game closer to getting into playoffs and jeopardizing Chiefs & Chargers as the team left out in cold by end of season.

He’s accomplished nothing in the NFL. 3 out of 5 road playoff games? The only thing that matters there is that he’s also 2 of 5 for failing in the playoffs.

At least let Bert make it to a superbowl before we start calling him elite.

Right now there’s only 4 elite QBs in the NFL – Manning, Brees, Brady and Roethlisberger.

There’s some very good QBs also (Rivers) but only a select few are elite.