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	<title>Comments on: With no contract in place for 2011, Marvin Lewis is optimistic he&#8217;ll stay in Cincy</title>
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		<title>By: voyager6</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marvin should have taken a firm line with Mike Brown and done what needed to be done. 

If you watched last year&#039;s Hard Knocks, Marvin was tough through camp. The team responded. As the 2009 season wore down, Marvin became Mr. Softy and let the players run the asylum and play tailed off.

To top it off, Marvin went even softer in the 2010 pre-season. They didn&#039;t build (via draft or free agency) a line that could pass block for Palmer.

Last year, the Bengals had Jeremy Johnson at fullback. He came in late, overweight. Yet once active, he regained the starting spot in three weeks.

This year, they didn&#039;t try to sign Johnson and the guy who came in third string last year, was the starter, but was injured and out for the year before game 1. They tried to replace the fullback with a lineback, a DT, and a TE.  You can&#039;t go a season without a legitimate fullback and claim to want to run the ball.

Truth is, the Bengals have historically been a pass first team; and I believe the sales office feels the fans find three yards and a cloud of dust boring, so after drafting/signing some receiving talent, I am sure Mike made the call to pass first this season to stimulate ticket sales.

Without a proper line, they can&#039;t pass effectively.Without a fullback, they can&#039;t run. Isn&#039;t it surprising that they resigned last year&#039;s number two fullback (Chris Pressley) and suddenly Benson can run again... and they won last week?

It doesn&#039;t take rocket science to figure this out. It just needs a HC willing to tell management that they are doing stupid stuff and take the consequences. Marvin doesn&#039;t have the guts to do so, is a lousy game manager, and his soft locker room has lost the team.

It takes coaches willing to develop game plans to maximize the the talents and capabilities of the players rather than to try to force people not quite right into a fixed gameplan or scheme.

There are a huge number of aging players and free agents. It will take three years of active Free agency and draft to replace the talent that will walk out and refuse to comeback to a losing situation. I would be surprised if Mike can find a coach willing to take the team on until after the draft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin should have taken a firm line with Mike Brown and done what needed to be done. </p>
<p>If you watched last year&#8217;s Hard Knocks, Marvin was tough through camp. The team responded. As the 2009 season wore down, Marvin became Mr. Softy and let the players run the asylum and play tailed off.</p>
<p>To top it off, Marvin went even softer in the 2010 pre-season. They didn&#8217;t build (via draft or free agency) a line that could pass block for Palmer.</p>
<p>Last year, the Bengals had Jeremy Johnson at fullback. He came in late, overweight. Yet once active, he regained the starting spot in three weeks.</p>
<p>This year, they didn&#8217;t try to sign Johnson and the guy who came in third string last year, was the starter, but was injured and out for the year before game 1. They tried to replace the fullback with a lineback, a DT, and a TE.  You can&#8217;t go a season without a legitimate fullback and claim to want to run the ball.</p>
<p>Truth is, the Bengals have historically been a pass first team; and I believe the sales office feels the fans find three yards and a cloud of dust boring, so after drafting/signing some receiving talent, I am sure Mike made the call to pass first this season to stimulate ticket sales.</p>
<p>Without a proper line, they can&#8217;t pass effectively.Without a fullback, they can&#8217;t run. Isn&#8217;t it surprising that they resigned last year&#8217;s number two fullback (Chris Pressley) and suddenly Benson can run again&#8230; and they won last week?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take rocket science to figure this out. It just needs a HC willing to tell management that they are doing stupid stuff and take the consequences. Marvin doesn&#8217;t have the guts to do so, is a lousy game manager, and his soft locker room has lost the team.</p>
<p>It takes coaches willing to develop game plans to maximize the the talents and capabilities of the players rather than to try to force people not quite right into a fixed gameplan or scheme.</p>
<p>There are a huge number of aging players and free agents. It will take three years of active Free agency and draft to replace the talent that will walk out and refuse to comeback to a losing situation. I would be surprised if Mike can find a coach willing to take the team on until after the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: melikefootball</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would Lewis even want to come back to Cincinnati?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Lewis even want to come back to Cincinnati?</p>
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		<title>By: jessethebody</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remind me again why Lewis has a job. I keep forgetting. Good thing for him that he is in Cincy where no one knows what winning is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remind me again why Lewis has a job. I keep forgetting. Good thing for him that he is in Cincy where no one knows what winning is.</p>
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		<title>By: sungateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sungateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been Bengals fan since they began.  I really think there troubles is very much obvious.  Last year strong on the ground.  Good defense.  This year, they tried to up the passing attack with TO. 

You have to admit Palmer has not been 100% since his injury, but he&#039;s still a more than adequate QB.  The defense struggled, but the obvious excuse would be injuries.  So.....that leaves one obvious problem........play calling.  The hardly ever tried to control the ball,  on the ground, and when they did it was so predictable, they were snuffed.  That led Carson to throw low percentage passes to keep the chains moving.  So........what the problem?  It&#039;s obvious to me............the offensive coordinator...Brat has to go!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been Bengals fan since they began.  I really think there troubles is very much obvious.  Last year strong on the ground.  Good defense.  This year, they tried to up the passing attack with TO. </p>
<p>You have to admit Palmer has not been 100% since his injury, but he&#8217;s still a more than adequate QB.  The defense struggled, but the obvious excuse would be injuries.  So&#8230;..that leaves one obvious problem&#8230;&#8230;..play calling.  The hardly ever tried to control the ball,  on the ground, and when they did it was so predictable, they were snuffed.  That led Carson to throw low percentage passes to keep the chains moving.  So&#8230;&#8230;..what the problem?  It&#8217;s obvious to me&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;the offensive coordinator&#8230;Brat has to go!!!</p>
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		<title>By: goforthanddie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goforthanddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funny thing is, he works for the only owner dumb enough to maybe keep him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is, he works for the only owner dumb enough to maybe keep him.</p>
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		<title>By: bwisnasky</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[realfootballfan says:
Dec 25, 2010 11:32 PM
As mediocre an HC as I think Lewis is, you have to apply the “Bengal” factor to anyone who helms that organization. Strange as it would seem for a coach who’s been in one place as long as he has with average success, I think it will be his call whether he wants to come back there. Working for the Bengals actually suits the bad jokes that people readily apply to working for teams like the Raiders and Bills. Ownership truly doesn’t care about winning, puts minimal resources into the product, and is generally a hopeless franchise


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As correct as you are about the Bengals and Bills, as bad as Oakland has been... NOBODY can ever accuse Al Davis of not caring about winning... nor can they accuse him of putting minimal resources into his franchise.... He may be an icon from a bygone era,  and he really doesn&#039;t understand the modern game.. but for his players... Al will pay too much to keep them if he feels they are loyal to him.  Coaches.. well that&#039;s another story...   He will not overpay a coach.   But saying that he doesn&#039;t care about winning nor does he pay, is just factually wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>realfootballfan says:<br />
Dec 25, 2010 11:32 PM<br />
As mediocre an HC as I think Lewis is, you have to apply the “Bengal” factor to anyone who helms that organization. Strange as it would seem for a coach who’s been in one place as long as he has with average success, I think it will be his call whether he wants to come back there. Working for the Bengals actually suits the bad jokes that people readily apply to working for teams like the Raiders and Bills. Ownership truly doesn’t care about winning, puts minimal resources into the product, and is generally a hopeless franchise</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>As correct as you are about the Bengals and Bills, as bad as Oakland has been&#8230; NOBODY can ever accuse Al Davis of not caring about winning&#8230; nor can they accuse him of putting minimal resources into his franchise&#8230;. He may be an icon from a bygone era,  and he really doesn&#8217;t understand the modern game.. but for his players&#8230; Al will pay too much to keep them if he feels they are loyal to him.  Coaches.. well that&#8217;s another story&#8230;   He will not overpay a coach.   But saying that he doesn&#8217;t care about winning nor does he pay, is just factually wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: thetooloftools</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Marvin Lewis and I&#039;m not a Bengals fan. The PLAYERS need to take personal responsibility for the record on the field. T.O. - you gotta problem. Don&#039;t vent your anger in the press, step up and me a leader. Oh.. wait... your T.O. the finger pointer. 
NEVER MIND 
He drove Parcells out of Dallas he was such a diva.
How&#039;s that worked for you Mr. Plastic Face? 
Call Irsay in Indy and he&#039;ll share his painkillers with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Marvin Lewis and I&#8217;m not a Bengals fan. The PLAYERS need to take personal responsibility for the record on the field. T.O. &#8211; you gotta problem. Don&#8217;t vent your anger in the press, step up and me a leader. Oh.. wait&#8230; your T.O. the finger pointer.<br />
NEVER MIND<br />
He drove Parcells out of Dallas he was such a diva.<br />
How&#8217;s that worked for you Mr. Plastic Face?<br />
Call Irsay in Indy and he&#8217;ll share his painkillers with you.</p>
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		<title>By: pondbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pondbridge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, Jim Mora Jr.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Jim Mora Jr.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmysee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jimmysee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cincinnati and Dallas each show how meddling ownership can mess up a team --- no matter how much money is spent (or not spent, in the case of Cincinnati).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cincinnati and Dallas each show how meddling ownership can mess up a team &#8212; no matter how much money is spent (or not spent, in the case of Cincinnati).</p>
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		<title>By: tatum064</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tatum064]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They could go &quot;in-house&quot; and hire Zimmerman. I dont think Lewis gets another shot, but replacing a defensive coordinator with another d-coordinator?  Im wondering if they&#039;d take a shot at Kubiak if he departs the Texans?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could go &#8220;in-house&#8221; and hire Zimmerman. I dont think Lewis gets another shot, but replacing a defensive coordinator with another d-coordinator?  Im wondering if they&#8217;d take a shot at Kubiak if he departs the Texans?</p>
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		<title>By: joerevs300</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joerevs300]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really defies all logic that an NFL franchise in Cincinnati, where, you know, it gets COLD and SNOWS doesn&#039;t have an indoor practice facility.  I don&#039;t even know this to be fact but I&#039;m willing to bet even the Cincinnati COLLEGE team has an indoor practice facility.

Mike Brown is a cheapskate, and that&#039;s why the Bengals will come out of hibernation once in awhile and strike lightning, followed by a decade long blackout of irrelevance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really defies all logic that an NFL franchise in Cincinnati, where, you know, it gets COLD and SNOWS doesn&#8217;t have an indoor practice facility.  I don&#8217;t even know this to be fact but I&#8217;m willing to bet even the Cincinnati COLLEGE team has an indoor practice facility.</p>
<p>Mike Brown is a cheapskate, and that&#8217;s why the Bengals will come out of hibernation once in awhile and strike lightning, followed by a decade long blackout of irrelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: mean13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mean13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 06:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, Marvin.  You&#039;re gone, brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Marvin.  You&#8217;re gone, brother.</p>
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		<title>By: realfootballfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realfootballfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As mediocre an HC as I think Lewis is, you have to apply the &quot;Bengal&quot; factor to anyone who helms that organization.  Strange as it would seem for a coach who&#039;s been in one place as long as he has with average success, I think it will be his call whether he wants to come back there.  Working for the Bengals actually suits the bad jokes that people readily apply to working for teams like the Raiders and Bills.  Ownership truly doesn&#039;t care about winning, puts minimal resources into the product, and is generally a hopeless franchise]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mediocre an HC as I think Lewis is, you have to apply the &#8220;Bengal&#8221; factor to anyone who helms that organization.  Strange as it would seem for a coach who&#8217;s been in one place as long as he has with average success, I think it will be his call whether he wants to come back there.  Working for the Bengals actually suits the bad jokes that people readily apply to working for teams like the Raiders and Bills.  Ownership truly doesn&#8217;t care about winning, puts minimal resources into the product, and is generally a hopeless franchise</p>
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		<title>By: omegaichiban</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[omegaichiban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marvin needs to become a Defensive coordinator again.  There is no quick fix to the Bengals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin needs to become a Defensive coordinator again.  There is no quick fix to the Bengals.</p>
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		<title>By: thereisalwaysnextyear</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thereisalwaysnextyear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 04:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Delusional:
a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

i.e.  He&#039;s freaking delusional.  Period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delusional:<br />
a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.</p>
<p>i.e.  He&#8217;s freaking delusional.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: tpkaufma</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marvin Lewis is an absolute LOSER who has never produced any real success in Cincy... He has to go or that organization stays in the cellar until he&#039;s gone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin Lewis is an absolute LOSER who has never produced any real success in Cincy&#8230; He has to go or that organization stays in the cellar until he&#8217;s gone!</p>
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		<title>By: coffinberry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coffinberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no problem with Marvin but let him have no strings in the coaching selections and let him coach unhindered by MB interferance. Get some scouts!]]></description>
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		<title>By: waccoforflacco</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 02:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knowing Mike Brown is as cheap as they come, he&#039;ll probably suggest that the Bengals get bussed to Minnesota and use the &quot;deflated&quot; Metrodome as their INDOOR facility during inclement weather.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing Mike Brown is as cheap as they come, he&#8217;ll probably suggest that the Bengals get bussed to Minnesota and use the &#8220;deflated&#8221; Metrodome as their INDOOR facility during inclement weather.</p>
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