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Obama applauds Eagles for giving Vick second chance

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Though the Eagles didn’t have a chance to make news on the field tonight, they made some more news off the field.

Peter King of NBC reported during Football Night in America that President Barack Obama recently called Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie to congratulate the team for giving quarterback Mike Vick a second chance.

President Obama explained that a level playing field rarely exists for prisoners who have completed their sentences.  Vick’s success gives all of them hope.

In our view, Obama’s gesture also provides Vick with the kind of positive reinforcement that will help keep him out of any trouble during the 2011 offseason, once he is left to his own devices.

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  1. myspaceyourface says: Dec 26, 2010 10:36 PM

    Who cares what this dope thinks. . . .

    Ridiculous that this president has time to comment on every single sports event big or small. . . . . .

  2. nfl4ever says: Dec 26, 2010 10:39 PM

    Good for Vick and he’s making the most of his second chance, that is the American way.

    Now lets just hope the sheeple of this country don’t give Obama a second chance or there will be no such thing as an “American way”.

  3. steelers6pack says: Dec 26, 2010 10:40 PM

    Stay focused on the country, not sports Obuma! I do nto care who you pick in your NCAA tournament or who you think will win Super Bowl. I care about the unemployment rate and what you are doing about terrorist doing in other countries!

  4. raidernationbaby says: Dec 26, 2010 10:42 PM

    Why is Obama commenting on this? Was he elected to give his thoughts on professional athletes?

    I simply cannot wait for Obama to release his bracket again this year for March Madness. Best. President. Ever.

  5. JSpicoli says: Dec 26, 2010 10:43 PM

    Great.

    Now, economy, stupid.

    I want to see the magic muslim do something besides play hoops or compromise.

  6. superalpha says: Dec 26, 2010 10:45 PM

    Glad to see Obama could take time between his guest spots on The View and Leno to address this.

  7. blitzburg10 says: Dec 26, 2010 10:47 PM

    Lets just hope he doesnt get a second chance!!

  8. Pacific NW Mark says: Dec 26, 2010 10:49 PM

    The flip side of this is how many fans should be hating on their owners/GMs for passing on one of this year’s most exciting and most valuable players. I don’t live in Philly so I have no idea of the degree of blowback from the ASPCA, PETA and others, but something tells me his 103-something QB rating and 20 TDs was likely worth it.

  9. jebdamone says: Dec 26, 2010 10:50 PM

    “President Obama explained that a level playing field rarely exists for prisoners who have completed their sentences. Vick’s success gives all of them hope.”

    yeah, because every man in prison is 6’3, runs a 4.3 forty and can throw a football 60 yards on the money.

  10. technicalfowler says: Dec 26, 2010 10:51 PM

    Ah yes, comments on the internet re: Obama.

  11. commandercornpone says: Dec 26, 2010 10:53 PM

    this must mean osamabama is actuallylosing support from part of his base.

    he couldnt win a fair election for the office of dogcatcher at this point.

  12. backindasaddle says: Dec 26, 2010 10:53 PM

    Political Correctness BS……makes me want to hurl.

    Look….he did despicable things….he paid for his crimes….. OK it’s now done……we move on…….

    …..but please….SHUT UP Obama with the Political Correctness BS….it really and truly disgusts me.

    What Vick did is absolutely despicable. Don’t try to spin it away.

  13. macjacmccoy says: Dec 26, 2010 10:53 PM

    Well there you go all you bleeding heart liberals your messiah is happy with the Eagles for giving him a second chance and believes he should be in the NFL. So you guys better hurry up and recant all your hateful and closed minded statements about Vick before your God spites you.

  14. tebowsgonnagitya says: Dec 26, 2010 10:54 PM

    JINX!!!!

    lolcopter

  15. cardsmac says: Dec 26, 2010 10:56 PM

    Sports are a release for people and the president is a person with a stressful job worthy of a release. I’m sure taking two minutes for a personal call isn’t going to delay any trimming of the national dent, in fact, it may help for the simple reason he’s not spending money while on the phone

  16. 49erman says: Dec 26, 2010 10:58 PM

    Yes people Obama does care about unemployment, etc. If he wants to chime in on sports events, why can’t he? I’m sure he gets questions about sports quite frequently.

    If you don’t want to read about his opinions, then move onto another topic.

  17. sarahpalinhater says: Dec 26, 2010 10:58 PM

    This is hardly Vick’s second chance. Vick has been a life-long criminal/Gangster. He has been arrested multiple times before the Dog fighting Incident. And afterwards, while he was awaiting trial he failed another drug test, and so on.

    Obama should be very careful before associating his name to the Likes of Vick. Also, if Obama is ALL about giving 2nd chances to people. Then why doesn’t Obama lead the way to allow past felons, as long as they have been clean say 5 years or more the right to Vote ?
    I mean IF he is all about 3nd chances I mean :-)

    That’s out Hypocrite of a Pres!!

  18. mclovin2000 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:00 PM

    Didn’t take long for the knuckle draggers to pop up.

  19. ccoolahan14 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM

    Right, because the stamp of approval from one of the worst presidents in history is “positive reinforcement.” This website is so ridiculously lib.

  20. tiffpats4eva says: Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM

    superalpha,

    Are The View and Leno on in your trailer park tonight?

  21. trollaikman8 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:04 PM

    Did someone say second (3rd, 4th, 5th…) chance?

    -dubya

  22. bigbear12 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:05 PM

    One polarizing figure applauds another.
    I really don’t see why people guilty of manslaughter don’t get more chances. Who wouldn’t want to work with someone who got drunk and ran someone down?
    Would make for interesting Christmas parties.

  23. db105 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:10 PM

    No one is ever entitled to a second chance. Vick was worth a second chance. If some journeyman player had his off the field problems that player wouldn’t get another chance.

  24. flik44 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:13 PM

    Ask the dogs how they feel about his second chance….

  25. smalltownqb says: Dec 26, 2010 11:13 PM

    “once he is left to his own devices” ….

    Good Job Prez! Calling the Eagles to congratulate them on babysitting a kid. The color of his skin does not have anything to do with it or does it?

  26. p4ever says: Dec 26, 2010 11:15 PM

    A bunch of racist idiots commenting here

  27. jethro007 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:18 PM

    Who cares what Obama thinks?

  28. natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:20 PM

    #
    myspaceyourface says: Dec 26, 2010 10:36 PM

    Who cares what this dope thinks. . . .

    Ridiculous that this president has time to comment on every single sports event big or small. . . . . .
    __________________

    Nothing like having a president who owns a baseball team or anything, right…?

    Dummy.

    Bush Jr. was the single worst president America has ever had to endure. Obama is nothing special, I’ll grant you, but let’s not forget that his was a foregone legacy, based on the fact that he inherited the worst economy in American history; the product of tax cuts for the richest people in the world during a time of two unnecessary wars, as well as real estate and environmental collapses caused by massive deregulation of industry and mismanagement of government agencies.

    There’s a reason why more Americans voted in 2008 than ever in history, and that reason was that they were pissed-off that Bush’s policies were finally showing signs of destroying America. Obama was voted into office, immediately passed widespread legislation which mainly benefited the lesser-to-do, but failed in his effort to affect public opinion by being too modest and not taking as much credit as he should have for some of the things he helped to pass (including the largest payroll tax cuts in history).

    A wide majority of people supported health care reform, and many think he didn’t go far enough. That explains Obama’s 2nd greatest failing in his presidency, that in addition to not touting his many accomplishments loudly enough, he has also earned a reputation that he too easily concedes in negotiation, though I believe this accusation is mostly undeserved for two reasons;

    1) Making consolations is necessary in negotiations, and incremental change is often better than no change at all (we are simply that much closer to socialistic health care, which I strongly approve of),

    And,

    2) The racist Republicans have stone walled Obama at every single turn (I believe simply on the merit that he is black). Only once Obama and the Democratic majority in the lame duck agreed to extend their greedy and selfish tax cuts for millionaires, have the Republicans agreed to help pass ANY legislation at ALL, and even that has been tooth-pulling.

    The Republicans even allowed a nuclear arms treaty with Russia to languish on the floor of congress, whining and moaning until they and their millionaire friends got their $100,000+ per year/each (depending on degree of wealth) tax cuts.

    How utterly shameful of the Republican party.

    Yes, you won the 2010 mid-terms, but I suspect your reign shall be quite short-lived because you hate America, and eventually the public will realize that they made a huge mistake by voting for you (and the closely affiliated “Tea Party” movement).

  29. ttommytom says: Dec 26, 2010 11:20 PM

    Just like Vick gave a losing dog a chance. I hope Vick burns in hell. Nothing but a ghetto POS.

    If he couldn’t throw a football he and his felony flyers would be evading the police.

  30. mclovin2000 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:23 PM

    @ccoolahan14
    Because recognizing that a well-known African-American athlete might appreciate an acknowledgment from the first African-American president is a clear indicator of liberal bias. I can’t imagine how hard it is for you to live without a biased media source of your own.

  31. brncowin says: Dec 26, 2010 11:25 PM

    wow natelan, so much ignorance, can’t even respond!

  32. natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:28 PM

    #
    jethro007 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:18 PM

    Who cares what Obama thinks?
    _________________

    He’s the president of the United States of America, so I imagine quite a few people…

    What do YOU do for a living?

    Racist punk.

  33. eagles4life7 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:33 PM

    I bet all of you guys sit back help Mike Vick generate record ratings every week… Btw don’t blame obama for something that bush created.

  34. natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:33 PM

    #
    ccoolahan14 says: Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM

    Right, because the stamp of approval from one of the worst presidents in history is “positive reinforcement.” This website is so ridiculously lib.
    ____________________

    Only a racist would claim that Obama is the “worst president in history” before his term has even completed, and without taking into account that Bush Jr. handed him the worst economy America has ever seen.

    You lost the civil war. Get over it.

  35. natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:35 PM

    #
    brncowin says: Dec 26, 2010 11:25 PM

    wow natelan, so much ignorance, can’t even respond!
    ______________

    I write an intelligent and logical comment, and you can’t find the words to respond, yet I’M the ignorant one?

    LMAO @ YOU FOR BEING STUPID.

  36. fonetiklee says: Dec 26, 2010 11:37 PM

    Oh man, this comment thread is full of delicious Republican tears!

    CONTINUE!

  37. tiffpats4eva says: Dec 26, 2010 11:41 PM

    ttommytom says:
    Dec 26, 2010 11:20 PM
    Just like Vick gave a losing dog a chance. I hope Vick burns in hell. Nothing but a ghetto POS.

    If he couldn’t throw a football he and his felony flyers would be evading the police.
    ***************

    The Klan meeting ended early, huh? Did you guys run out of deer sausage and saltines?

  38. natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:42 PM

    I never realized so many Glenn Beck wallowers- I mean followers, were PFT fans.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid…

    Stupid people.

    Stupid.

    Sheeple on the march. To where? They don’t know…

    They just know the man with the big stick is telling them where to go, and they go…

    Sure, they can read the signs that say “Slaughterhouse: This Way” but they keep on marching, like good little sheep.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid…

    I don’t mind you ruining your own lives… It’s when I’m caught in the stampede of stupid people, that I take serious offense to your stupidity and ignorance.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid people…

    Stupid.

  39. bodybaggame says: Dec 26, 2010 11:46 PM

    What cracks me up, is that people argue over the semantics of such a statement. It’s almost like Obama isn’t a politician, as if he is some sort of angel sent down from the heavens. You know damn well, he has PR people, consultants, and media savvy advisors. And they know damn well, that Vick is creating huge ratings on the games televised nationally. This is nothing more than a political agenda. A political consultant is hired to create the best results for their client, and you have to strike while the iron is hot, if the Eagles were 4-10 and Vick was playing like crap, this story would have never seen the light of day, cause the call would have never happened, and been released for public consumption. As long as politicans of every party have been hoodwinking this country, you think people could possibly, for once, think independently, and read between the lines….

  40. goldsteel says: Dec 27, 2010 12:00 AM

    The Eagles should be commended because no other team wanted to touch Vick with a 10 foot pole. And now the Eagles are reaping the benefits from that decision. Micheal Vick is playing the best football of his life.

    And as the Eagles have proved that with Vick in the game, the Eagles are never out of the game. Micheal Vick’s talent complements the chaos theory of predicting the outcome of the playoffs.

  41. nfl4ever says: Dec 27, 2010 12:02 AM

    sarahpalinhater says: Dec 26, 2010 10:58 PM

    Obama should be very careful before associating his name to the Likes of Vick. Also, if Obama is ALL about giving 2nd chances to people. Then why doesn’t Obama lead the way to allow past felons, as long as they have been clean say 5 years or more the right to Vote ?
    ————————————————–
    How do you know they haven’t been voting? The Democratic party is very popular with those in jail and in cemeteries too.

  42. nfl4ever says: Dec 27, 2010 12:06 AM

    @natelan

    So anyone who doesn’t like or disagrees with Obama is racist? is that how you think?

    Nobody in this thread has posted a “racist” comment, get real.

    Idiot!

  43. richm2256 says: Dec 27, 2010 12:14 AM

    I didn’t vote for Obama so I could hear his opinion on frigging athletes. How about you just focus on fixing this damn economy, Mr. President, and let us “average guys” worry about Michael Vick?!!!!!

  44. mcarey032 says: Dec 27, 2010 12:26 AM

    Just like any bandwagon politician. Where was Obama when the Eagles signed Vick? Only when he is an MVP candidate, is the president going to be front and center. Have to say though that Obama is no worse than those idiot congressmen kissing Roger clemens butt at the congressional hearings.

  45. geauxformore says: Dec 27, 2010 12:29 AM

    Don’t know what’s everyone problem is with Obama. He did exactly what I wanted him to do for me. Helped me get student loans and lowered the interest rates for me. Got a job with the fire dept I’m leaving my American dream. The jobs are out there you have to look for them. Fire depts are hiring police dept, airlines, working security. Guess it’s easier to just blame one person instead of looking. I voted for him once and will do it again.

  46. SpartaChris says: Dec 27, 2010 12:30 AM

    p4ever says:
    Dec 26, 2010 11:15 PM
    A bunch of racist idiots commenting here
    ==================================
    You know how you libtards like to make fun of Rush followers? Perhaps you should look in the mirror and stop listening to Bill Maher and Jeanine Garafolo. Just because someone doesn’t like Obama and disagrees with him, his philosophy, his politics and the way he runs the country doesn’t make them a racist.

  47. crabcakeandfootball1 says: Dec 27, 2010 12:30 AM

    steelers6pack says:
    Dec 26, 2010 10:40 PM
    Stay focused on the country, not sports Obuma! I do nto care who you pick in your NCAA tournament or who you think will win Super Bowl. I care about the unemployment rate and what you are doing about terrorist doing in other countries!
    ——————————————–
    You’re right. You shouldn’t care about Obama’s actions unrelated to politics. But, you sir should be more concerned of your incapability of correctly spelling words or constructing a sentence.

  48. crabcakeandfootball1 says: Dec 27, 2010 12:33 AM

    nfl4ever says:
    Dec 27, 2010 12:02 AM
    sarahpalinhater says: Dec 26, 2010 10:58 PM

    Obama should be very careful before associating his name to the Likes of Vick. Also, if Obama is ALL about giving 2nd chances to people. Then why doesn’t Obama lead the way to allow past felons, as long as they have been clean say 5 years or more the right to Vote ?
    ————————————————–
    How do you know they haven’t been voting? The Democratic party is very popular with those in jail and in cemeteries too.
    —————————————-
    States have disparate requirements. But, I believe only Maine and Vermont allow felons the right to vote. It is a matter of state legislation. So, let’s not impose every possible act of legislation on Obama simply b/c he is the President.

  49. rarson says: Dec 27, 2010 12:36 AM

    “President Obama explained that a level playing field rarely exists for prisoners who have completed their sentences. Vick’s success gives all of them hope.”

    False hope. The majority of prisoners aren’t professional football players, and will be seeking jobs that aren’t nearly as forgiving about criminal records as football is. Does Obama seriously think that giving Vick a second chance has changed the opinion of employers in regards to hiring ex-cons?

    @sarahpalinhater

    “He has been arrested multiple times before the Dog fighting Incident. And afterwards, while he was awaiting trial he failed another drug test, and so on.”

    He wasn’t arrested before the dogfighting incident, and the statement that he “failed another drug test” is erroneous because it implies that he failed more than one. But hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of your rampant Vick hatred.

    @natelan

    “Bush Jr. was the single worst president America has ever had to endure.”

    Not even close. Lincoln was the worst president by far. He declared war on his own country and killed more Americans than WWI, WWII, and the Korean War combined. Lincoln has a monument in DC. Don’t worry, Bush will eventually get his, too, once history whitewashes his actions the same way it whitewashed Lincoln’s.

    “There’s a reason why more Americans voted in 2008 than ever in history, and that reason was that they were pissed-off that Bush’s policies were finally showing signs of destroying America.”

    Again, not even close. The reason that voting numbers were the largest in history is because, surprise, the voting-age population was the largest in history. The *percentage* of that population was not, in fact, the largest in history, as the numbers in ’60, ’64, and ’68 were higher.

    Obama got elected because he rode a wave of idiotic idealism along the backs of Americans disillusioned enough to want something better but not disillusioned enough to realize how to effect that change. Anyone who actually paid attention during the campaigns could recognize that Obama’s platform was largely the same as Bushes… and the things that WERE different were obvious lies (like the ones about bringing troops home or closing Gitmo). This is clearly evident by the actions Obama has taken (or failed to take) as president. Rampant spending? Check. Military occupation in foreign countries? Check. Bailouts of big businesses? Check. Destruction of the economy? Check. Might as well call him Bush 2.

  50. trixstal says: Dec 27, 2010 12:39 AM

    To be honest, I’m embarrassed to have this schmuck as President of our country.

    Who cares what this schmuck thinks about sports? He spends half his time on vacation and trying to find every celebrity event he can attend. Can’t wait until he’s one-and-done!

  51. rarson says: Dec 27, 2010 12:42 AM

    @natelan

    “I write an intelligent and logical comment”

    WHOA, jumping off the deep end there. I guess by “intelligent and logical” you mean “I made a bunch of s*** up”.

    “Stupid.”

    Yes, the stupidity of your post is self-evident without you incessantly repeating it.

  52. botully says: Dec 27, 2010 12:46 AM

    It’s funny that both Obama and the Republicans both hate America. Can’t we elect people who like America?

    Everyone who posted a half-baked political tirade on a football blog is a moron, this one included.

    I’m sure every felon whose only skill is weighing crack is full of hope for themselves because of Vick.

  53. rarson says: Dec 27, 2010 12:47 AM

    By the way, the voting restrictions of felons is decided at the state level. Felons in Vermont and Maine can even vote from prison. There are only 12 states with laws which permanently restrict felons from ever voting again.

  54. 30ptbuck says: Dec 27, 2010 12:47 AM

    @natelan
    You sir are a moron I believe you hate this country why else would you want socialized anything. For two years the Dems could do anything they wanted waited for the last two weeks
    The START treaty eliminates our continued development of anti missile systems and gives the Soviets a huge advantage in tactical nuclear weapons. God you are ignorant!!!!
    Socialized medicine is FAILING ALL OVER THE WORLD let’s bring it here
    I know I don’t want the government involved womb to the tomb
    What is Obama going to comment on after his latest Vacation in friggen Hawaii Singletary being fired?
    How about the date nights in New York Chicago the multi million dollar vacation of Michelle in Spain
    God look the other way 3.04 gasoline higher sustained averages than the evil Bush years
    Don’t you dare listen in on known terrorists on their phone calls to foreign countries but we will advise feeling up children and nuns at airports
    We will close Gitmo ……..nope
    We will tax the so called rich …….nope
    So what if you work all your life and leave your kids farmland that’s worth alot give us 55% ……. Nope THANK GOD (BET THAT PISSES YOU OFF THE WORD GOD)
    Your the type if there was an invading army would rat out the resistance I know you wouldn’t fight because you might need a gun.
    To make this a football comment I hope Michael Vick dog sits for you and may Brett Favre take an interest in you wife or girlfriend or boyfriend or inflatable sheep or whatever would stoop so low to have sex with you

  55. trollaikman8 says: Dec 27, 2010 1:09 AM

    George W. Bush was one of the most incompetent people in American history, and Cheney is most likely a vampire. That said, Obama could kill kittens on national television every day until the end of his term and he would still be far better than the alternatives. Looking at you McCain/Palin.

    The worst thing Obama has done is invigorate a new legion of borderline racists who can troll blogs talking about “Gimme back my country!”

    Your country was given to Goldman Sachs before you were born. Quit making a boogeyman out of the black guy who had to come in to clean up the white guy’s reckless party.

    Boom. Roasted.

  56. trollaikman8 says: Dec 27, 2010 1:11 AM

    TypicalTea Bagger: Don’t socialize my Medicare!

  57. texasphinsfan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:13 AM

    Later Obama thanked the Bucanneers for giving Jerramy Stevens a second chance.

  58. mnmaverick says: Dec 27, 2010 1:23 AM

    I see the racial bawlbabies are coming out of the woodwork again. It’s about personal responsibility and discipline. The old race card whining is a sorry excuse for irresponsible/criminal behavior.

    Both Obama and Vick are poster children for irresponsibile/illegal behavior. Obama is destroying our country and Vick is another example of a liberal primadonna in the sports/entertainment industry getting his way despite showing a total lack of respect for the law. Anyone who thinks calling out people like that is racist should tell their heroes to keep their criminal mugshots off our evening news.

  59. nfl4ever says: Dec 27, 2010 1:24 AM

    30ptbuck says: Dec 27, 2010 12:47 AM

    @natelan
    You sir are a moron I believe you hate this country why else would you want socialized anything. For two years the Dems could do anything they wanted waited for the last two weeks
    The START treaty eliminates our continued development of anti missile systems and gives the Soviets a huge advantage in tactical nuclear weapons. God you are ignorant!!!!
    Socialized medicine is FAILING ALL OVER THE WORLD let’s bring it here
    I know I don’t want the government involved womb to the tomb
    What is Obama going to comment on after his latest Vacation in friggen Hawaii Singletary being fired?
    How about the date nights in New York Chicago the multi million dollar vacation of Michelle in Spain
    God look the other way 3.04 gasoline higher sustained averages than the evil Bush years
    Don’t you dare listen in on known terrorists on their phone calls to foreign countries but we will advise feeling up children and nuns at airports
    We will close Gitmo ……..nope
    We will tax the so called rich …….nope
    So what if you work all your life and leave your kids farmland that’s worth alot give us 55% ……. Nope THANK GOD (BET THAT PISSES YOU OFF THE WORD GOD)
    Your the type if there was an invading army would rat out the resistance I know you wouldn’t fight because you might need a gun.
    To make this a football comment I hope Michael Vick dog sits for you and may Brett Favre take an interest in you wife or girlfriend or boyfriend or inflatable sheep or whatever would stoop so low to have sex with you
    __________________________________
    Well said sir!

    Your words above to me, are like feet to Rex Ryan!

    You forgot the coming inflation due to Obama’s infinite wisdom of spending money we didn’t have and then printing even more money to make up for it. As Yogi Berra might say “A Dollar ain’t worth a buck anymore”.

  60. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:31 AM

    rarson says: Dec 27, 2010 12:36 AM

    Not even close. Lincoln was the worst president by far. He declared war on his own country and killed more Americans than WWI, WWII, and the Korean War combined. Lincoln has a monument in DC. Don’t worry, Bush will eventually get his, too, once history whitewashes his actions the same way it whitewashed Lincoln’s.
    _______________________

    Wow, you actually went there, huh…?

    Lincoln was the nation’s worst president, because he fought against slavery?

    Wow…

    Everyone, repeat after me…

    “RACIST!!!”

  61. rarson says: Dec 27, 2010 1:39 AM

    “Helped me get student loans and lowered the interest rates for me.”

    The Fed lowers interest rates, not the president.

    “Fire depts are hiring”

    The two closest fire departments near me are volunteer and STILL having massive budget issues. Recently, one of them sent a flier out pleading for $500 donations to prevent them having to shut down. Granted, the president has absolutely nothing to do with local budget issues, but I’m just following your logic here.

    Sure, it’s great that government jobs abound, but part of the root of our economic problems lies in the fact that these jobs don’t actually produce anything of value (or if they do, that value is outweighed by the cost of filling the job), so as the government grows larger and larger, more and more of our tax dollars are going down a giant hole.

  62. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:54 AM

    Furthermore, wishing illwill upon my dog and girlfriend is pretty anti-Christian of you…

    You’d better go read that fairytale book of yours to remind you of what your Sun God has commanded you to do…

    I don’t live by your stupid rules, so I can freely tell you to gnaw on my testicle until your mouth gets pregnant, without being a hypocrite or fearing the wrath of “Hell.”

  63. halftermguv says: Dec 27, 2010 2:26 AM

    @ natelan – keep fighing the good fight.
    Now you know what it’s like living in Central Pa surrounded by right wing idiots. Bring your own banjo.

    @rarson – Lincoln was the worst president ever…really. Who home schooled you…Dick “Treason” Cheney?

  64. mnmaverick says: Dec 27, 2010 3:14 AM

    Anyone who wants a reality check on the fraud known as “Global Warming” which we’ve poured billions into, can do a Google search on Weather Manipulation. Type “China Weather Manipulation” or “Russia Weather Manipulation”, etc. You’ll find some facts on what’s really been going on.

  65. danetow says: Dec 27, 2010 3:54 AM

    LoL at the he should be concentrating on unemployment and the economy. Ignorant people. Blame small business owners for not investing money that they have in their pocket with interest rates where they are. Obama can only do so much he cant make people spend money. Take an economics course you ignorant pricks you might learn something and then be able to talk politics without sounding like a dumbass. Worst thing Obama wants is his health care plan. People apparently want the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, genius. dur dur dur

  66. btc0216 says: Dec 27, 2010 4:49 AM

    U say it’s not racist but how can u say it’s not when under 8 years of Bush the country went damn near broke me I have no faith in either party there nothing that they can do that “we the people” can not do for ourselves But people r to busy passing judgement on others to do work Lenny dykstra almost killed Darren daulton and himself drinking and driving neither one is a dog and people find it in their heart to forgive him but hey if u never want to be forgiven for ur transgressions big or small then people stay as a person who doesn’t forgive it will come back

  67. iluvwikileaks says: Dec 27, 2010 5:13 AM

    I am behind you all the way, Mr. President! And, thank you for making this country and the world a far better place than when Bush and the right-wing loonies were running things. All they care about is war, insurance companies, waterboarding, and rich people.

  68. btc0216 says: Dec 27, 2010 5:15 AM

    U no what’s crazy every negative thing said here about Obama could be said about any president stop depending on others an do for self leave Obama Bush Clinton and whoever out of it if u don’t like it stand up like men and make a change

  69. jimmylions says: Dec 27, 2010 6:12 AM

    I had no idea PFT was filled with so many right-wing hacks. Wonder if any of them saw the study that FOX News viewers are the most misinformed people in the nation?

    Even funnier is that the study showed that the more people watch FOX News, the more likely they are to believe things that are factually incorrect.

  70. voodoochild47 says: Dec 27, 2010 6:12 AM

    Wow! I was never one of those dudes that saw the world in black and white….but this thread shows why I do now! You would’ve never heard backlash like this had it been President Bush that made a comment about an athlete! If you don’t like the country then find somewhere else to live! Oh, that’s right! There is a lot of you that think that black people should know where their place is in this country, so you are still salty about one being POTUS. Get a life folks! The man can say whatever he wants! I can’t wait til that idiot Palin become president so you can all miss these days!

  71. smokehouse56 says: Dec 27, 2010 6:20 AM

    natelan, get a life. You and your ilk make me sick.

  72. blackcatnfl says: Dec 27, 2010 6:47 AM

    But the NFL free agent system is socialism, is it not? You hate the NFL??!??! OMG!

  73. leroy36 says: Dec 27, 2010 6:52 AM

    One job saved or created. Now for a few million more.

  74. tmanamericanus says: Dec 27, 2010 8:09 AM

    My morning was going just fine until I opened the site and saw a mugshot of this fool. I could give a damn about what he thinks about anything. His photo and his comments do not belong here.

  75. johnnyballsack says: Dec 27, 2010 8:09 AM

    A president should know more than others when to shut their f-ing pie hole.

  76. 52crabcakes says: Dec 27, 2010 8:20 AM

    I don’t care what Obama thinks about the NFL. I do not understand why the president of the US is on late night TV or commenting about NFL. You are the president, act like it!

  77. heywoodjablome says: Dec 27, 2010 8:31 AM

    ccoolahan14 says:
    Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM
    Right, because the stamp of approval from one of the worst presidents in history is “positive reinforcement.” This website is so ridiculously lib.
    ————————————————–
    Bush didn’t comment on this article dummy

  78. bleedgreen71018222558 says: Dec 27, 2010 8:37 AM

    Finally something the incompetent clown says that I actually agree with.

  79. flavordave says: Dec 27, 2010 8:44 AM

    @30ptbuck Soviets? What decade are you living in?LOL

  80. tiffpats4eva says: Dec 27, 2010 8:45 AM

    ccoolahan14 says:
    Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM
    Right, because the stamp of approval from one of the worst presidents in history is “positive reinforcement.” This website is so ridiculously lib.
    *************

    So? Maybe you should go somewhere else? “Up in” Alaskuh, perhaps?

  81. mb2020 says: Dec 27, 2010 8:48 AM

    Question, how did you know he was on The View or Leno? Oh, I forgot you have a man crush on the President

  82. tiffpats4eva says: Dec 27, 2010 8:52 AM

    52crabcakes says:
    Dec 27, 2010 8:20 AM
    I don’t care what Obama thinks about the NFL. I do not understand why the president of the US is on late night TV or commenting about NFL. You are the president, act like it!
    *****************

    I bet you could fill the state of Texas with the various things you don’t understand.

  83. mb2020 says: Dec 27, 2010 8:53 AM

    All the individuals who negatively commented about the President are the same ones who said they were leaving the country when he became President, yet they’re still here and posting!

  84. theoriginalcaptainmarvel says: Dec 27, 2010 8:55 AM

    Pennsylvania is a ‘battleground state’, so of course Obama is going to say anything to help his chances there. Just like when he filled out his NCAA basketball tourney brackets – all his upsets just HAPPENED to be in favor of teams in battleground states and high population areas. Duh!

  85. erictheclown says: Dec 27, 2010 8:57 AM

    President Obama explained that a level playing field rarely exists for prisoners who have completed their sentences. Vick’s success gives all of them hope.

    Sweet, i can go commit a felony and Obama will treat me just like someone that has been a good person.

  86. mccoymarch says: Dec 27, 2010 9:08 AM

    geez, Obama, stay far, far away from my Eagles. Sports is what I go to to get away from politics…i don’t want you involved – you try to take control of everything else – food items on menus, the environment, the internet – stay the heck away from football. Stick to basketball if you have to.

  87. baddegg says: Dec 27, 2010 9:09 AM

    Obama…the act is wearing thin. We get it…you are current…hip…and for the “little guy.” Please do something that will really help ALL “little guys” and get the economy going again.

  88. mean13 says: Dec 27, 2010 9:15 AM

    And I give thanks to Obama for giving the Republicans a second chance. November 2nd was the greatest shift in political power since 1938 thanks to his lies and incompetence.

  89. wwwmattcom says: Dec 27, 2010 9:20 AM

    I don’t give the eagles credit. I give the NFL credit for allowing Vick to return. its not a surprise that an NFL team would want Vick. Obama should call goodell. both liberals and far right conservatives suck. especially sarcastic bastards who mock the other side of the aisle. everyone is the problem.

  90. cleverbob says: Dec 27, 2010 9:24 AM

    It’s comforting to know that most of you fools don’t bother to vote. Better to watch some football on Sunday afternoon than run off to a “ranch” and hide from your job weeks at a time.

  91. rcali says: Dec 27, 2010 9:25 AM

    With the crooks he has on his staff, it’s obvious that he believes in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances.

  92. mean13 says: Dec 27, 2010 9:38 AM

    natelan says: Dec 26, 2010 11:33 PM

    “Only a racist would claim that Obama is the “worst president in history” before his term has even completed, and without taking into account that Bush Jr. handed him the worst economy America has ever seen.

    You lost the civil war. Get over it.”

    No one made a racist statement, yet natelan plays the race card post after post. That’s what liberals do when they are getting crushed by logic. I really doubt that this racist fool knows that Obama’s mother was 100% white and that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.

  93. hughjassphd says: Dec 27, 2010 10:52 AM

    Does this guy have to give his opinion on everything. I’d like to think he had better stuff to do. Everyone keeps telling me that guy is scary smart. Up to now, I haven’t seen much evidence to back that up.

  94. superalpha says: Dec 27, 2010 11:53 AM

    #
    tiffpats4eva says: Dec 26, 2010 11:02 PM

    superalpha,

    Are The View and Leno on in your trailer park tonight?

    __________________

    Leno is. Thank you for taking an interest in my lifestyle. If you have any further questions about what it’s like to live in a trailer park, feel free to ask and I will enlighten you.

  95. monk3261 says: Dec 27, 2010 11:54 AM

    THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER!!

  96. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 12:14 PM

    #
    baddegg says: Dec 27, 2010 9:09 AM

    Obama…the act is wearing thin. We get it…you are current…hip…and for the “little guy.” Please do something that will really help ALL “little guys” and get the economy going again.
    ____________________

    Hmm, maybe you haven’t been watching the news, but the Republicans (who will soon have a majority in the house) are dragging their feet on every cause.

    The Republicans forced him to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest elite who bankrupted us, just to get some basic legislation passed.

    He’s done more than you, or practically anyone else, could do.

  97. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 12:16 PM

    #
    rcali says: Dec 27, 2010 9:25 AM

    With the crooks he has on his staff, it’s obvious that he believes in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances.
    __________________

    Speaking of “crooks,” Cheney can’t travel to many European or African nations at the moment for the risk of being arrested for war crimes.

    How’s that for crooked?

  98. Dirty D Fo says: Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM

    Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama…. worse periods of America.

  99. emah44 says: Dec 27, 2010 12:34 PM

    I didn’t vote for this man or any other person in the white house, but I find it very sad the hatred you people for this man when if you look back all the presidents have been gentiles(white) that’s why this wicked place is in the condition it’s in. I believe everyone should get a second chance depending on the charge the man has done his time so get over it.While you people seem to be harping on this whatever happen to the young man that killed those nineteen cats that they talked about for one day and no one else heard anything else about. When this dollar fall and you can’t live the life of luxoury anymore will you go to the Father and ask Him to show you grace an mercy like you did mike vick, something to think about while your spewing your hatred on others. So I will leave you with this scripture John 8:7,

  100. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:13 PM

    #
    Dirty D Fo says: Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM

    Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama…. worse periods of America.
    ______________________

    Sprinkle in a little bit o’ Clinton, and you’ve listed 3 of the best presidents to ever grace the White House.

    Do you see how we have separate and wholly different ideals?

    Not everyone thinks like you, thank (non-existent) God.

  101. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:17 PM

    #
    mccoymarch says: Dec 27, 2010 9:08 AM

    geez, Obama, stay far, far away from my Eagles. Sports is what I go to to get away from politics…i don’t want you involved – you try to take control of everything else – food items on menus, the environment, the internet – stay the heck away from football. Stick to basketball if you have to.
    ____________________

    A) Wow, this racism is completely unveiled! “Stick to basketball”??? *shakes head*

    B) Tell us SPECIFICALLY how Obama has personally “taken control of food items on the menus (what menus?), the environment (he hasn’t done enough!) and the internet (such as?)”

    C) You’re a backward hick.

  102. ctmom says: Dec 27, 2010 1:21 PM

    Time to call the Eagles, yet not a word on muslims killing Christians in Iraq. Priorities!

  103. mannyicey says: Dec 27, 2010 1:25 PM

    Obama has a 48% approval rating. In a 2010 that was terrible for the Democrats, this Democratic president is still rated very high.

    And the economy is looking better and better. Unemployment will be going down the first quarter of the calendar year. So his approval rating will go up. By the 2nd quarter, his approval rating will be over 50%. And by the 3rd, it may touch 60%.

    What does that mean? It means that Obama will beat any Republican that runs in a landslide. You know why? Because the Republicans had to move too far to the right in order to appease their base, but the majority of voters vote only for presidential elections. And the electorate is still moderate.

    Whoever grabs the middle wins.

  104. smootysmoot says: Dec 27, 2010 1:49 PM

    Heres to you, Not getting a second term!!!

  105. Garrett Baldwin says: Dec 27, 2010 1:57 PM

    mannyicey:

    you live in a fairytale world. His approval won’t touch 52 percent in the next two years. He’s lost the middle and anyone who is even mildly fiscal conservative will not be fooled this time.

  106. Garrett Baldwin says: Dec 27, 2010 2:00 PM

    Natelan:

    You have a skill at taking people’s words out of context and then claiming they are racist. Is that your only defense left?

    I don’t care about his skin color, I care that he’s fiscally liberal and that his economic agenda of picking winners and losers is problematic and goes against the very fundamentals of a free market economy.

  107. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 2:02 PM

    #
    smootysmoot says: Dec 27, 2010 1:49 PM

    Heres to you, Not getting a second term!!!
    ____________________

    Would you vote for a black Republican?

    Didn’t think so.

  108. btc0216 says: Dec 27, 2010 2:45 PM

    When some whites Not All say something racist and then say they r not racist is it that they r too stupid to know what’s racist or do they think we r to stupid to recognize racism how can it not be racist these derogatory remarks about Vick when this country has icons that have done much worse yet u applaude them or is the holding of slaves and raping and fathering illegitimate children with ur slave ie Thomas Jefferson, that’s not as bad as killing a dog huh. Let it go we have.

  109. mannyicey says: Dec 27, 2010 4:08 PM

    Garrettbaldwin-

    I have no emotional interest in politics. I see it as sport, just like baseball or football. And I know a great deal of Republican insiders whose lives depends on political losses and gains.

    That being said, they are disappointed that Obama’s poll numbers never reached the 30s. His poll numbers stayed steady during what would be the worse part of the presidency. Everyone knows that the economy will get better starting now, and that only helps the President. Plus, that tax compromise was a strong strategic move because it devalued the framework of deficit reductions by tying the tax breaks to increasing the deficits.

    But Obama’s whole presidency isn’t about deficits or wars or anything. If the unemployment numbers goes down like it’s projected, Obama will have a 2nd term. If something weird happens and it doesn’t, Obama will not have a 2nd term. It’s that simple and the people that fight that fight everyday knows this.

    Now if you want to know where I stand, I’m a moderate that believes that Obama is a moderate. The label of Obama being a big, liberal idealogue is a product of conservative characterization that was built up for 2 years.

  110. wareagle01 says: Dec 27, 2010 4:22 PM

    natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:17 PM
    A) Wow, this racism is completely unveiled! “Stick to basketball”??? *shakes head*
    C) You’re a backward hick.

    ————————————————-
    Wow, no wonder you guys are losing so incredibly badly. Apparently anyone who disagrees with your political point of view is either a racist, a low-life dummy only worthy of contempt, or both. First, Obama plays basketball. He makes no secret of it and he’s quite good at it. Remember right after the 2008 election he joked about converting the White House bowling alley into a basketball court? Second, you people really are not going to win people over by insulting them like that. And you really do need to win people over if you expect to win in 2012. Because–I repeat–you Democrats are losing really, really badly. You’re welcome.

  111. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 5:03 PM

    #
    wareagle01 says: Dec 27, 2010 4:22 PM

    natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:17 PM
    A) Wow, this racism is completely unveiled! “Stick to basketball”??? *shakes head*
    C) You’re a backward hick.

    ————————————————-
    Wow, no wonder you guys are losing so incredibly badly. Apparently anyone who disagrees with your political point of view is either a racist, a low-life dummy only worthy of contempt, or both. First, Obama plays basketball. He makes no secret of it and he’s quite good at it. Remember right after the 2008 election he joked about converting the White House bowling alley into a basketball court? Second, you people really are not going to win people over by insulting them like that. And you really do need to win people over if you expect to win in 2012. Because–I repeat–you Democrats are losing really, really badly. You’re welcome.
    _______________________

    You couldn’t even take the senate under these circumstances… Ouch.

  112. heyitsmekelly says: Dec 27, 2010 6:08 PM

    If I was the judge in Vick’s case , he would still be in prison because I would of given him the maximum penalty for his crimes !!! As some have posted , Vick has been a criminal since his high school days !!!

  113. natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 6:23 PM

    #
    btc0216 says: Dec 27, 2010 2:45 PM

    When some whites Not All say something racist and then say they r not racist is it that they r too stupid to know what’s racist or do they think we r to stupid to recognize racism?
    _________________________
    There are two answers to that question;

    When a SMART Republican makes racist remarks, and then denies it, they think they are fooling us.

    When a DUMB Republican makes racist remarks, and then denies it, they are fooling only themselves.

    Smart Republicans are easy to spot; they are rich. Smart Republicans include Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, etc… They rise to power on the backs of DUMB Republicans.

    DUMB Republicans are all the inbred hicks on this thread, defending Conservative ideals, despite the fact that they fly in the face of their own economic and ethical best interests.

    These dumb Republicans can’t help being racist. They don’t realize the vastness of their own stupidity, and their lives languish in eternal discontent, because they can never quite grasp the meaning of their own illogical actions and their self-damning repercussions.

  114. cmizzad says: Dec 27, 2010 6:43 PM

    Forget politics. Both sides are equally crooked. Let’s get back to the topic at hand.

    It’s hypocritical to applaud the Eagles, no matter who says it. If Vick couldn’t ball, no one on this site or in the NFL would give two craps about him or his second chance. If Jeff Dahmer could throw a football 60 yards with a flick of a wrist, I guarantee at least half the NFL teams would try to sign him. And 90% their fanbase would go out of their way to defend him.

    Sports are not a microcosm of society. The company I work for is not going to start hiring convicted felons because the Eagles gave Vick a second chance. Nor should they.

  115. cmizzad says: Dec 27, 2010 6:49 PM

    natelan says: Dec 27, 2010 1:13 PM

    Sprinkle in a little bit o’ Clinton, and you’ve listed 3 of the best presidents to ever grace the White House.

    ______________________________________

    I’ll give you Clinton, but if you think Jimmy Carter is anywhere near the top 3 POTUS, (or even top 30) you may want to crack open a history book now and then.

  116. mannyicey says: Dec 27, 2010 8:16 PM

    cmizzad-

    Jeffrey Dahmer ate people. He had folks in the freezer. Vick ran a dog-fighting ring. I’m pretty sure that if Jeffrey Dahmer had a rocket arm, he wouldn’t have gotten a shot.

    Jeff George has a rocket arm and is talented, but he couldn’t get a shot- for instance.

    Oh and to put Jeffrey Dahmer’s cannibalism up with dogfighting? Your credibility went that-a-way. smh.

  117. smellmyface says: Dec 27, 2010 10:34 PM

    @natelan

    You really think Lincoln started the civil war over slaves? go read a history book. Yes he is the worst president ever for daclaring war on his own people. The start of the war had nothing to do with slaves. But I know anyone who doesnt agree with you has to be racist.

  118. belicheckyoself says: Dec 27, 2010 11:02 PM

    @Natelan
    Dude. Get a blog. You’re like 50% of the text on this post. Relax! It’s not your responsibility, and no one will ever reward you for this. It’s a trick. They’re all thieving self indulgent scumbags. You’re feeding the pigs.

    Run for something. If you win, don’t join them. If you lose, don’t take it personally.

    Relax! In all likelyhood it’ll be China soon anyway
    : )

    Wow I cannot believe Brees just through that pick 6. (real time commentary here people)

  119. belicheckyoself says: Dec 27, 2010 11:13 PM

    OK, he didn’t throw a pick 6. Then he did. He should for office too? That was some amazing back and forth football. Rare situation where the zebras set up something worth seeing.
    OK I’ll stop posting NO-ATL stuff on an Eagles post.

  120. jungleboogieman says: Dec 28, 2010 12:18 AM

    @natracistmoron,

    Your ignorance is exceeded only by your stupidity. Lincoln said “I wish to preserve the union at all costs, with or without slavery.” A well educated liberal like yourself would know that Lincoln was the only president to suspend habeas corpus, he cared not for the plight of the African slaves, he controlled the press by threat of force, and generally disregarded the constitution as he wished in the name of war. Bush does some of the same and you blast him. And instead of always pointing fingers at what happened 3+ years ago, why not look at all the racial bs obama has spewed out, from the beer summit to this situation where he finds special interest in mundane events only where the black man is involved. Look at the black community that blindly voted almost 100% for him, which is patently racist but not a word about that because it is ok for blacks to be racists, just go ask Mr. White and Gov. Blind crook. And all of Yo’Mama’s promises under a congress he controlled, went where? From spying on the UN, Gitmo still open, War escalation(why isn’t Cindy Shehan camping out on his street corner demanding a withdrawal) and all I hear is how bad Bush was. Well Yo’mama has continued almost all of the Bush policies even when he controlled Congress. But that is Bush’s fault too? Your a racist, and if your are black you should travel outside of this country and see just how good you have it here.

  121. bigbluefan1 says: Dec 28, 2010 10:37 AM

    That is just wonderful
    Lets worry about a guy who blew millions getting a job ( one our president had no roll in)

    Mean while 10% of working america with out a convicktion is out of work
    Why not help those folks get jobs

    What a useless POS maybe obumma was at vicks for the dog fights nothing would surprise me about this fool

  122. ruvelligwebuike says: Dec 28, 2010 10:47 AM

    Natelan is not a real person, and if he is, he is 19. You know the old saying.

    A 20 year old conservative is without a kind heart.

    A 30 year old liberal is without a functional brain.

  123. schportz says: Dec 28, 2010 11:54 AM

    Why Vick? Free Plaxico! The only thing he hurt was his own sweatpant-laden thigh.

    http://schportz.wordpress.com

  124. cmizzad says: Dec 28, 2010 3:12 PM

    #
    mannyicey says: Dec 27, 2010 8:16 PM

    cmizzad-

    Jeffrey Dahmer ate people. He had folks in the freezer. Vick ran a dog-fighting ring. I’m pretty sure that if Jeffrey Dahmer had a rocket arm, he wouldn’t have gotten a shot.

    Jeff George has a rocket arm and is talented, but he couldn’t get a shot- for instance.

    Oh and to put Jeffrey Dahmer’s cannibalism up with dogfighting? Your credibility went that-a-way. smh.
    ___________________________________

    I’m pretty sure everyone except you realize that I don’t LITERALLY think NFL teams would sign a known serial killer. I also was not comparing cannibalism to dog fighting. I was exaggerating to make a point about how ludicrous it is to think the Eagles should be applauded and the hypocrisy of the NFL and fans in general. The Eagles weren’t interested in the redemption of Michael Vick. Signing him was a business decision to help their football team. Implying anything more is laughable.

    You might want to think about getting a sense of humor. I’ll bet you’re a real riot at parties. LOL.

  125. cubEbear54 says: Dec 28, 2010 4:30 PM

    @natelan – Got quaaludes? You seriously need to relax! And then join a political blog rather than a football site. Give peace a chance….

  126. chrisbermansdoublechin says: Dec 28, 2010 8:16 PM

    I don’t doubt that Obama called Lurie about Vick, … Lurie has to go public with it, by blabbing about it to Peter King? THAT calls into question WHY Lurie can’t stop finding reasons to pat himself on the back about Vick? IF Lurie can’t keep his mouth shut about a private conversation he had with the President, & Peter King feels the need to speak on it, although Obama has yet to make a comment about Vick … it really makes you think about what crappy standards we have for what qualifies as news reporting, … maybe after football season, Peter King can get a job working for the National Enquirer.

  127. mannyicey says: Dec 28, 2010 10:02 PM

    Actually, Obama called Lurie about the green initiatives that the Eagles are implementing for the stadium. Normally Obama would call and compliment the person he was talking to and then go to the order of business. Since Vick is the big talk of the Eagles, Obama gave him a compliment on having the boldness to make a decision to hire a former convict.

    The media made it seem like Obama gave Lurie a call because he felt compelled to compliment Lurie about Vick and then hung up. But we do all stick together, though… right?

  128. stetai says: Dec 29, 2010 10:36 AM

    It’s so funny reading people bashing Obama for “spending time following football”. All he did was comment on the Eagles for giving him a job, it’s not like he called to say that Michael Vick won him his first fantasy football championship or something.

    Lighten up rednecks.

  129. srfgenerationx says: Dec 29, 2010 12:13 PM

    You know! this is the kind of the remarks that taint the American spirit-when people say ignorant things like “the president should be more worried about the affairs of the united states and not applauding some guy who has gotten out of prison”. That’s the problem with society today certain ones do not believe in second chances, but when the ball is in your court you would want a second chance at life-right! Sure you would. You may say no now but go through a bad experience that leads to prison or just jail for that matter and see how hard it would be for you when you get out and being marked for life. People can change. I’m one of them. I did twenty years and now I’ve gotten out and went to the University of Toledo and has graduated with a BSW and I am working as a corrections officer, because I believe that I have a message for other ex-offenders and that is, “you can rebuild your life and have a fulfilling future in this life helping others who has gone down that road.

  130. srfgenerationx says: Dec 29, 2010 12:22 PM

    The eighteen years was for a murder and the two years was for felonious assault. I spent twenty years behind bars. I served eighteen years straight for the murder case and then after being released I landed a job in the state of Michigan, I’m from Ohio. The job was obtained through a temp service. I was released on the 14th of August, 2001. Shortly after being out, this temp service sent me to Michigan at a recycling factory. I was working there for about 90 days and then found myself in an argument with another worker which ended up with me catching a felonious assault case. I was arrested and sentenced to 2 to 15 years in Michigan.
    I’m a 53 year old man now. When I first went to prison I was 26 years old. I spent half of my twenties and all of my thirties and half of my forties in prison.
    I am here to tell you that I learnt more about myself in those two years I spent in the Michigan penal system than I did in those eighteen years. I say that because, this is when I began to change the way I think. I received a letter from a very dear friend and he began to tell me that “I lived a certain way for so long until that was all I knew. My belief system was all distorted and if I was going to change I must change the way I think, first”. After reading and re-reading those words something began to sink deep into my soul. I began to enter different programs dealing with a cognitive theory approach to life’s situations. I knew then that I was on the road to recovery and rehabilitating my sense of self worth.
    However, the previous eighteen years in prison were not spent doing nothing. I received my G.E.D. and then went on to obtain my Associates Degree. I did feel good about my accomplishments but still there was this anger problem I had to deal with. So, after being released from dong the eighteen years, I thought I was good to go. But then, there was this anger problem that had not been addressed. And, this is where I re-offended.
    When I was released from the Michigan penal system, I landed a job at a local Wendy’s restaurant. I worked for about a couple of months and then I enrolled in the University of Toledo. I graduated with a GPA of 2.89 in the Social Work program with a Bachelor’s Degree. I am now employed as a Corrections Officer in a Treatment Facility which house inmates who are at risk of going to prison. This facility is a prison diversion program with an 80% decrease in the recidivism rate of offenders.
    My testimony is this, “People” can change! I am living proof of this fact. And yes, we as ex-offenders do need help from society and our loved ones. When I go in to work, it is not just a job but I go in with the hopes of having an intersecting moment with whoever will be willing to hear my story. And, there are those individuals who listen with intent ears and when these particular inmates can see with their own eyes that some one who has gone through the system and turned their life around, they can begin to have hopes of changing their own way of thinking with the tools and skills provided through our program.
    There are days when I go and volunteer at my job on my off days and share my story in our aftercare program. I do this because I truly believe that people can change with the necessary help. I really like helping those individuals who are or may be going through what I experienced as an offender and now an Ex-Offender.
    I have started this program called Generation X. Generation X is a cognitive theory based program that is designed to reach those who are at-risk after being released from prison. When I say at-risk I mean in terms of the choices and the decisions that are made without thinking about the consequences.
    Generation X’s goal and objectives are to enhance and equip the individual with the necessary skills and tools so that the individual will be able to make better choices and better decisions when faced with the different choices and decisions in life.
    And so, I believe that I can give back to society by being a living example that people can change their lives. Change from being a felon to an X-felon or X-whatever the individual want to change about themselves or the way they think.
    Society really wants to help those who are disadvantaged and struggling, but at the same time society wants to see results of a changed MIND resulting in a changed person. This is where Generation X comes in and gives the individual the necessary tools and skills it will take to change that old way of thinking into a new way of thinking.
    So, this is my story in short.

    Sam R. Ford, BSW
    Toledo, Ohio

  131. nunpuncher says: Dec 29, 2010 12:30 PM

    Awesome…Maybe if The Eagles win The Super Bowl and the team visits Washington DC then President Obama & Michael Vick can pardon a pitbull on the front lawn of the White House.

  132. tomlovestroy says: Dec 29, 2010 2:44 PM

    Given that Obama wants to close Guantanamo Bay, it doesn’t surprise me that he is pleased to comment on Vick getting a second chance. Heck if he gives Terrorists that want to blow up America a second chance, what is the problem with giving Michael Vick a second chance?

    Obama is all about the Legal system and regulation fixes everything. The piece of crap lawyer just needs to give us another teaching moment.

    We have runaway govt entitlements already. So he wants to fix that with the most ever passed? Sure lets promise something to somebody that will never happen, that way I can least keep their vote.

  133. tomlovestroy says: Dec 29, 2010 2:46 PM

    The Cop in MA acted stupidly, but the owner was wise for giving Michael Vick a second chance. I am guessing Obama wants to shore up the black vote.

  134. tomlovestroy says: Dec 29, 2010 2:55 PM

    Thanks Sam Ford for your story…

    That proves that people can change. However, it is not because of the goodness of our penal system, or about forgiveness based on throwing the football 70 yards, or about a Lawyer trying to get votes…it is simply about the will of one person to change their life.

    Success has a million parents and defeat is an orphan. Obama likes to grab the headlines, but the real story is the orphan.

    When your neighbor loses his job…Recession
    When you lose your job…Depression
    When Obama loses his job..Recovery

  135. really2011 says: Dec 29, 2010 5:54 PM

    WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were the “most admired” man and woman in the United States in 2010, according to an annual Gallup poll.
    Obama led the field of male candidates with 22 percent, followed by former presidents George W. Bush (five percent) and Bill Clinton (four percent).
    They were followed by post-Apartheid South African leader Nelson Mandela and Microsoft founder Bill Gates, each with two percent.
    Obama has held the title since 2008, after he won the election and became the first African-American US president. That year he was the “most admired” by 32 percent of those polled.
    Hillary Clinton held onto the title of “most admired” woman for the ninth straight year after largely dominating the poll over the last two decades.
    This year she led with 17 percent, followed by conservative former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin with 12 percent and TV titan Oprah Winfrey with 11 percent.
    They were trailed by First Lady Michelle Obama with five percent and former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice with two percent.
    The survey was carried out on December 10-12 with a random sample of 1,019 adults living in the continental United States. It has a margin of error of plus or minus four percent.
    The complete results can be viewed at gallup.com.

  136. rarson says: Dec 29, 2010 8:35 PM

    @natelan
    “Lincoln was the nation’s worst president, because he fought against slavery?”

    Only a person completely ignorant of history could possibly make a statement as idiotic as this. Let’s play a game. Who said this quote:

    “I will say then, that I am not nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way, the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor have I ever been in favor of making voters of the negroes, or jurors, or qualifying them to hold office, or having them to marry with white people…there must be the position of superior and inferior, that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man.”

    If you said Abraham Lincoln, you’d be correct. One niggling little fact about Lincoln that history has whitewashed is that he was as racist as anyone else at the time… his solution to slavery was to ship the slaves back to Africa!

    Notice how I didn’t mention ANYTHING about slavery when I was explaining why Lincoln was the worst president ever? The fact that you think the Civil War had anything to do with slavery just serves to illustrate the massive failure of our schools to teach anyone a valuable history lesson. You’re familiar with analogies, right? Slavery is to the Civil War as WMDs are to the Iraq War.

    Also, your preoccupation with race is what I would consider to be racism. The fact that you bring up race in response to comments that have nothing to do with it is telling. Or maybe you’re just trying to make straw men fallacies to divert attention away from how you can’t form an intelligent response to someone challenging you with ACTUAL facts?

    Given that Bush’s policies and Obama’s policies are so strikingly similar, I wouldn’t rank either one of them as being worse than the other… with the exception that Obama’s financial irresponsibility is a magnitude greater (and therefore more damaging to the economy) than Bush’s. From a financial perspective, Obama is worse than Bush. By every other significant metric, they are essentially the same. There are still other presidents that I would rank above them on the worst list, such as Reagan, FDR, and Woodrow Wilson. Lincoln is BY FAR the worst, though. No other president’s actions so completely embodied the very antithesis of the spirit which created the United States than Lincoln’s.

  137. backuppunter says: Dec 30, 2010 1:02 AM

    The Lizard people are going to take us over very soon anyway. Dick Cheney and Al Gore are actually lovers who pull the strings of the secret world govt. that is controlling everything… in the world. Letting your children watch football, the president speaking, or go to a public school is allowing the lizard people to brain wash there minds. Lizard people have telepathy brain washing power that comes out of there eyes that is why you should never make eye contact with strangers. Ohh yeah, the zombies are coming too. Asparagus makes my p@$$ STINK.
    Nothing restores my faith in this country like reading the comment section on 30 word story about a two sentence statement from the president. It’s funny how people will believe anything bad about a politician they don’t like. There is so much more to life than partisan politics people!

  138. discosucs2005 says: Dec 30, 2010 6:32 AM

    @rarson

    “From a financial perspective, Obama is worse than Bush.”

    Really? If the question “Who was a better economic president: Bush or Obama?” Came up on a test, there are only two possible answers: Obama, if you want to strictly look at where we were when he started, and where we are now. Or “not enough information.” We won’t really know how good or bad an economic president Obama was for awhile. To say he is worse after so little time has elapsed is just foolish. But clearly, saying ridiculously things based on broad, speculative, opinionated points is kind of all you have in your life, so this response is probably a waste of time.

  139. chapnastier says: Dec 30, 2010 7:24 AM

    @ rarson

    That may be without a doubt the most dead on argument I have ever read. However you are obviously racist because George Bush is the devil and to compare him to Obama is blasphemous.

    The only problem I have is your statement that Reagan was one of the worst. That is quite inaccurate considering he had to fix what the real worst president of all time did, Jimmy Carter.

  140. tomlovestroy says: Dec 30, 2010 10:45 AM

    We shouldn’t throw Lincoln under the bus…
    We should really have a timeline of what Lincoln believed. I am quite sure his views of slavery changed over time. I thought his views were that he thought Slavery was immoral, but that Govt shouldn’t legislate an end to slavery until the general public was ready to abolish it. He thought that would eventually happen, but not as of 1860.

    George Washington and James Polk were the best Presidents. Reagan was the best of my lifetime. Obama is the Mike Singletary of Presidents.

  141. tomlovestroy says: Dec 30, 2010 10:50 AM

    @rarson

    Your arguments are pretty good, but not the analogy of WMDs and Slaves. There at least were slaves and it was a main contention of States Rights.

    However, fast forward 250 years….It is not the Federal Govt or the State Govt that is going to correct our country or our economy – it is the people. When people fall prey to hucksters and political animals like Obama, then we are doomed.

  142. rarson says: Dec 30, 2010 2:59 PM

    @discosucs2005

    “Really?”

    Yes. The only possible thing Obama could have done WORSE than Bush is to spend even more money than Bush did, which he accomplished in spectacular fashion, quadrupling the deficit that Bush left behind. It’s clear that Obama has absolutely no idea how economics works.

    “We won’t really know how good or bad an economic president Obama was for awhile.”

    Wrong. We know the financial mess we’re in. We know how to NOT solve problems that were caused by spending money (here’s a hint: the answer is not spending MORE money we don’t have). We can look at Obama’s actions (spending obscene amounts of money that we don’t have) and know immediately that Obama’s actions are damaging our economy further.

    If you can’t understand this, then I suggest you spend some time reading up on Austrian economics at the Ludwig von Mises Institute’s web site.

  143. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 30, 2010 3:08 PM

    Obama promised to improve health care. Obama promised to end the war and bring troops home. Obama promised to close Gitmo. Obama promised to stop the spending. Obama promised to create jobs. Obama promised to be bipartisan. He didn’t. Now Obama says people deserve a second chance. hmmmm.

    Anyone who argues which president is better than which president isn’t paying attention. They all have the same agenda. Carter, Clinton, Bush Sr., Bush Jr., all from the Yale club.
    Obama isn’t but his end results are just the same.
    The next president won’t do anything different either. The agenda is oil. That’s why we’re in the Middle East and no other reason. So you can drive your SUV to work everyday. He who has the oil has the power. Educate yourselves. Look up the definition of terrorism and ask yourselves if that definition could be applied to the actions of the U.S.

    Watch linktv once in awhile.

    The next president will promise to end the “war on terror” too, but he won’t.

  144. rarson says: Dec 30, 2010 3:42 PM

    @chapnastier

    I hate Reagan for many things, most of them occurring behind closed doors. I wouldn’t say that Reagan really fixed anything, either. We have him to thank for the “war on drugs” which is currently wasting over $50 billion a year.

    @tomlovestroy

    You’re conflating slavery with racism. Lincoln WAS racist; however, he was also morally opposed to slavery. That’s why his proposed solution (shipping slaves back to Africa) neatly dealt with both.

    But that really has nothing to do with the Civil War. Lincoln’s stated goal, as someone previously mentioned, was to “preserve the Union” (a union which, I might add, was joined VOLUNTARILY by the states that wished to secede). I’m not going to go into great depth, but the whole reason the southern states wanted to secede was because they were becoming economically powerful while the northern states were trying to trying to suppress them. It had nothing to do with slavery because slavery, like most things at the time, was an issue decided at the state level. Most politicians, including Lincoln before he became president, believed that secession was a right that all states could exercise if they so chose.

    Hence, the Civil War was Lincoln’s way to assert federal power over the states. Up until then, the federal government could exert no power over the states that wasn’t specifically defined within the Constitution (as stated in the 10th Amendment). Federalists didn’t like this and wanted a strong central government that could control the states. The Civil War showed that the federal government could, and would, exert power over the states by force, if necessary.

    This is where the analogy comes in. I knew someone would point out that there were actually slaves, but I didn’t fully explain it because I was trying to be brief. Whether or not there were WMDs or slaves is irrelevant. The analogy is comparing the stated reasons of going to war to gain public support versus the REAL reason for going to war. Slavery was NOT the reason behind the Civil War.

    As far as Lincoln’s actions are concerned, it wasn’t just the 625,000 Americans killed by his actions that lead many people to call him “America’s Greatest War Criminal”. Lincoln targeted civilians with military attacks, shut down hundreds of dissenting newspapers, imprisoned tens of thousands of Northern citizens for opposing his policies, confiscated firearms and other personal property, intimidated judges, suspended habeas corpus, and more. This is why many people, including many Northern abolitionists, called Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant, just like there were millions of people in the US who disagreed with Bush and called him a tyrant (and I wouldn’t suggest it hyperbole in either case).

    But above all, the most damaging mark that Lincoln left on our country, and why I consider him to be the worst president ever, is the fact that his war resulted the consolidation of power within the federal government, setting the standard for anyone who gets into the White House to completely trample the rights of the states and their people whenever they want. Lincoln, the original president-tyrant, set the tone for everyone after him and turned the position from figurehead into decider. Without Lincoln, there would have been no Bush, no Obama, no Reagan, no FDR, no Wilson. The fact that so many Americans revere him as a great leader is really depressing.

  145. rarson says: Dec 30, 2010 7:16 PM

    “The next president will promise to end the “war on terror” too, but he won’t.”

    Of course not. Ideological wars are never-ending (war on terror, war on drugs, war on poverty, etc).

  146. belicheckyoself says: Dec 30, 2010 8:42 PM

    This is history in the making. This may be the first time a political argument on the internet Evolved into factual rational debate.

    Skynet any day now.

    Seriously, you people deserve internet gold medals. Well done.

  147. chapnastier says: Dec 31, 2010 8:02 AM

    @ belichckyoself

    It happens quite often whenever Flo mentions Fox News or Obama. I think it is genius as you see nearly 200 comments on every article containing one of those two things. Factor in all of the racist butt hole comments that they don’t post and its likely closer to 1000. Flo works for NBC, MSNBC ALWAYS loses in ratings to Fox by nearly double, no matter what time of the day it is. Its a process and we are just puppets. I frankly don’t care. Its fun. If you don’t like it take your gold medal and shove it!

  148. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 12:57 PM

    The “war on terror” is not an ideological war. It is a power grab. It is a racket by the big banks, big oil corporations and U.S. government. Divide and conquer.
    1) The U.S. has successfully divided the religious sects in Iraq and are looking to do it regionally as well. As long as they are killing each other the Middle East will remain unstable and no one dictator or country can become too powerful and control the oil. Hillary is pushing the Iraqi government to pass legislation to private corporations the ability to control the oil. Iran is next. That is why the U.S. refuses to negotiate with Iran. They would rather destroy them and take control of the oil. Oil is past it’s peak and there is a major power struggle to gain control of what remains. If Saudi Araba, Syria, Iran, or some other country gained control of the oil then the western economies would crash and the power would shift from us to them. This is not ideology, this is power.
    2) War = big money for the banks that control the government (i.e. the federal reserve). It is the only way the U.S. can pay back the interest on the loans from the banks. Prolonged war (war on terror) keeps paying the bills. Not to mention the banks also profit from the corporations that manufacture weapons, ammo, and the reconstruction in those countries.

    Not ideology. It is a racket. Don’t kid yourself.

  149. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 1:25 PM

    My point is Bush is not better than Obama and Obama is not better than Bush. Obama=Bush. They are the same. Merely puppets for the plutocracy.

  150. tomlovestroy says: Dec 31, 2010 3:55 PM

    @severalspeciesof
    how do you have that for a nick? Come one Man!

    Obama does not equal Bush. Bush had one really bad idea for which we are all paying dearly. However, Bush knew that the possibility existed that he could be wrong. He was at least humble about his mistakes. Obama has LOTS of bad ideas. He is CLUELESS, but thinks he is the smartest guy in the US. He is not the opposite of Bush. He is the opposite of Ronald Reagan relative to what expectation we should all have for the Federal Govt. The Govt will collect five times more resources for any service that it delivers. So for a country badly in debt, how could we ever possibly solve this with Govt solutions? Have you ever seen the Govt work behind the scenes?
    If you think the Post Office is bad, wait until they get involved with healthcare.

    Obama talks about how we need to catch up with Canada and have Govt Healthcare. Do you realize that most Canadians do not JUST have Govt Healthcare, they have Private Healthcare Insurance as well? They pay BOTH because the Govt healthcare that they have is so insufficient.

    However, worse than Obama are the Obama supporters who have zero idea of how bad he is. Obama would say that he has a problem with people that cling to their bible and guns. I wouldn’t say that. I would say that I have a problem with people that cling to Terrible Towels and if those same fans voted for Obama…I say…send that select group to Africa.

  151. tomlovestroy says: Dec 31, 2010 4:08 PM

    @rarson

    You are ignoring the conditions on the ground at the time. Sure, relative to today’s standards, Lincoln would likely be a racist. However, given his background of coming off the farm and being relatively isolated, it is amazing that at the time he would have turned out to be anti-slavery. I really do not buy that he used slavery as a land grab.

    I have a different reason for why Lincoln was one of the worst presidents…
    Like Obama..he is closer to an Ambulance Chaser than a President/Leader as George Washington was. Much of the problems in the US can be traced to the lawyers being out of control. Who was the first lawyer to set case law for providing women “forever alimony”…Abraham Lincoln.

    Abraham and Barack are really good at the lawsuits. As Manufacturing jobs are destroyed so that the people in Pittsburgh have no place to work but Walmart selling NFL merchandize made in China, Barack and Abraham are busy keeping the trial lawyers employed.

  152. discosucs2005 says: Dec 31, 2010 5:16 PM

    @tomlovestroy

    Well said regarding Lincoln’s time period. By today’s standards people like Mark Twain, Ben Franklin, and even George Washington would be considered horribly racist.

    I do disagree with two things. First, comparing any president to George Washington is just unfair. That’s like saying “well Colt McCoy is not Joe Montana, so he sucks.”

    Second, what do you have against the post office? It’s obviously not perfect, but you pay 30 cents for a stamp and send a letter from California to North Carolina in a week. What the heck are you complaining about?

    Lets save our healthcare debates until we actually see what this bill does. Our previous system was terrible. That doesn’t mean this one will be better, but saying it’s worse now is just arrogant (because you’re implying you can magically see into the future).

    If you are going to insult Obama at least pick things that have taken their full effect so we already know whether he was right or wrong. But speculating about how bad he is two years in is insanely unfair.

  153. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 5:42 PM

    I guess it depends on your perspective. I think you are right on the counts of Obama spending us into oblivion. He is terrible about that. Bush sent us into a war with no end which further racks up the debt ($700,000,000,000 per year isn’t it?). You guys say Lincoln was worse because he led to the death of 600,000 people. Over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed so far. And don’t be so arrogant to think American lives are more valuable. Which is worse? Terrorism has increased seven fold since we went to Iraq. They don’t want to end it, they want it to get worse. That keeps you afraid and in line and allows the government to take away your civil liberties. Now that’s slavery….just like religion. Let’s face it, I don’t remember a stellar President. Even Reagan had his faults (Panama, Nicaruaga (sp), Iran contra, etc). Johnson claimed two PT boats were attacked outside of Vietnam…lie to get us into the war. Roosevelt provoked the Japanese into bombing Pearl Harbor. Bush set up 9/11 to get us into the Middle East and Iraq. Don’t believe me? How did the bombs get into the basement of the towers? They exploded before the planes hit. Those towers didn’t pancake down, they exploded. Research it.

    They all knew it was coming. They wanted it to come, they provoke it, they lie about it, they do it. War = Money. Trillions, Quadrillions.

    Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict is a Pink Floyd song. Yes, that’s the title. And I knew it would annoy someone who went to type it in a reply, you just made my day.

  154. rarson says: Dec 31, 2010 5:49 PM

    @tomlovestroy

    You’re either missing the point, or incorrectly summarizing things. Lincoln was racist as most people were at the time. Abolition had essentially nothing to do with racism.

    Also, I take strong exception to the fact that you summarized my carefully-worded explanation of the Civil War as a “land grab”. Not once did I mention anything about taking land, primarily because the Civil War had nothing to do with it.

    Whether Lincoln actually desired abolition or not is questionable itself, but it’s a rather moot point since abolition wasn’t the goal of the Civil War anyway.

  155. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 5:59 PM

    And Bush did not know the possibility of being wrong existed. It wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional…and it succeeded. The Sunni and Shiia are killing each other off and there is no stability. We are now in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and in the Gulf with Aircraft carriers. What country lies between the three of those? Draw your own conclusions.

  156. belicheckyoself says: Dec 31, 2010 5:59 PM

    @ chapnastier
    I do like it, read what I said. MSNBC is still a network? Ouch.

  157. rarson says: Dec 31, 2010 6:04 PM

    @severalspecies

    “It is a power grab.”

    ALL ideological wars are power grabs. The entire concept of making war against an idea is completely idiotic. The only reason anyone would start such a thing is if they had something to gain.

  158. rarson says: Dec 31, 2010 6:12 PM

    “You guys say Lincoln was worse because he led to the death of 600,000 people.”

    I said that Lincoln was the worst because of ALL his actions, but primarily for setting the precedent and allowing all the presidents that succeeded him to do what they’ve done. While Lincoln didn’t directly cause the Iraq war, it wouldn’t have been possible without him.

    “I don’t remember a stellar President.”

    I agree. I think that the best job a president could possibly do would be to do absolutely nothing. But I’m an anti-statist, so my opinions aren’t very popular.

  159. belicheckyoself says: Dec 31, 2010 6:12 PM

    Oof. Truther. Melt the medals back into pornographic statues and replace them to my room.

  160. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 6:46 PM

    So we all agree that the Civil War was a power grab for the Federal government as is the war on terror. (all the 20th century wars for that matter). Very much the same…with the same price. Then we can conclude that bipartison politics is ridiculus, since it doesn’t matter what party is in office, the banks and the corporations own them. They will continue to tax us, go to war, and kill thousands of people for the rich bankers of the world. Too bad we can’t elect those guys. I think a good start to the solution would be to abolish the Federal Reserve.

    Question is, would you be willing to give up your lifestyle in order for the Middle Eastern people to control what, by property rights, belongs to them? That is, if you believe the U.S. is wrong in that they are forcing themselves upon the Middle East in order to gain the oil rights.

    Ah yes, that is the question. Do you believe the “war on terror” is wrong? would you rather the alternative

  161. rarson says: Dec 31, 2010 6:57 PM

    @belicheckyoself

    Yeah… never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance. Our government is clearly too incompetent to pull off such a scheme.

  162. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Dec 31, 2010 8:12 PM

    Truther? Was that a reference to moi? What does that mean? Anyone who seeks the truth is stupid or wacko? Wow. OK.

    As long as you believe the authority is the truth instead of truth the authority there will never be peace.

    One question for you there anti-truther (liar?), who funded the 9/11 attacks?

  163. rarson says: Dec 31, 2010 8:25 PM

    For me, it doesn’t stop at the war on terror. The whole freaking government is wrong. The entire concept of a government is a coercive monopoly… a legalized mafia. I tend to avoid politics because of this, and the aggravating nature of attempting to have discussions with deeply partisan people.

    I’d like to see the Fed abolished, but I’d also like to see the government allow people to use private currency. I doubt either will happen though, barring a total economic collapse of the government.

    As far as oil is concerned, I don’t think my lifestyle would have to change drastically to accommodate the scenario in which the US stays out of Middle East affairs.

  164. behanzin says: Dec 31, 2010 10:28 PM

    Thank you President Obama you are a courageous and brave man to take on the task of being this Country’s first black President but i’m pretty sure that you knew just how much hate , anger , hostility and violent racial prejudice you would encounter while in office. you are and will be the bravest and best President to ever hold office ….. its funny how when blacks finally break thru and enter a realm where we have been excluded from that we end up becoming the best at it ……… LMMFBAO !!!!!!!!!!!! at all you haters

  165. discosucs2005 says: Jan 1, 2011 5:02 AM

    @rarson

    “The entire concept of a government is a coercive monopoly… a legalized mafia.”

    I had a pretty good idea of your beliefs based on your earlier posts, and this last one confirms that you are who I thought you were (I hope someone gets the joke in that last sentence).

    I think a lot of intelligent people go through the phase you are in. I obviously don’t know anything about you so I can’t tell if this is still a phase or you have just accepted this line of thinking. Either way, I hope it passes.

    The idea of no federal government, or even no government at all can seem appealing. Small government as well. A lot of people in America tend to be individualist and that can easily cross over to arrogance. We think (particular those of us who are a little more clever than others) that we can could make a perfect life for ourselves without any government help.

    But you have to extensively look through history and even the present to know that we need government. Take a lot of time to look at past governments and their success and failures and compare those to their size. Look at current countries with smaller or virtually no governments and compare their economies, and people’s wellbeing to that of countries with bigger more powerful governments. Look at states here in America. Look at the most (forgive the phrase) libertarian states compared the least. If you approach this with the correct attitude, and ensure your research is complete, I think you may, at the very least, rethink your opinion. If you are confident I am wrong, then you should try as hard as you can to prove me right. If you are secure in your beliefs, then you should work to try to build my side up as much as possible, so, if you maintain your views, you can say you are correct beyond all shadow of a doubt.

  166. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Jan 1, 2011 12:02 PM

    But a man who lives in a cave is competent enough to pull off such a scheme. Makes sense to me. I concede. You got me there. That’s what I get for questioning authority. Boy, don’t I have egg on my face. Now, back to being a sheep.

  167. tomlovestroy says: Jan 1, 2011 3:25 PM

    @discosucs2005

    I do disagree with two things. First, comparing any president to George Washington is just unfair. That’s like saying “well Colt McCoy is not Joe Montana, so he sucks.”

    Let me explain when I compare to George Washington…George Washington realized how corrupting Govt’s can be. He lived thru that oppression. He didn’t want the job of President, and he was very well off and didn’t need all the torment of leading an army of the US that was still had plenty of pro-Britian. Washington knew why Govt had to be restricted.

    Andrew Polk is another of my heroes. He was determined to only be President for 4 years and change things for regular citizens.

    Compare that to Barack Obama. If you have ever read Audacity of Hope.. He believes the long term career Politicians are what we need.

    From my perspective, understanding and potentially limiting the power of the Federal Govt, that is why Barack is one of the WORST presidents. He actually thinks he knows best and Govt Solutions are best. He knows nothing.

    I am definitely against Barack supporters that have nothing to add, except to “CLING” to the race card. From my perspective I know more non-blacks in that category. However, I would definitely say those people aren’t even qualified to vote.

  168. tomlovestroy says: Jan 1, 2011 6:22 PM

    discosucs2005

    Nobody has proposed no Government. However, that is a typical liberal move. Obama does that all the time. Let me tell you what the opposite of my opinion is. He will then completely misrepresent the competing view and then debate that instead.

    We can’t survive with no government. The goal is limited government.

    Have you been to an airport lately? Have you seen the change in the level of service since the Government took over the security getting into the airport? It is very much like a Post Office environment. The workers are more interested in what their co-workers are saying. They make you wait until they are finished with their conversation. They are laughing as they inspect the x-ray machine. It is a joke that we are more secure now than when it was originally contracted out.

    Another example..Our schools

    Another example……Post Office

    Another Example…Any Govt agency and I have worked with most of them. When I go inside a commercial account…everybody is busy. They are constantly checking their blackberry. I typically meet with 4 people that are extremely competent. Nobody arrives early, but just on time. When I meet with the Govt…I expect 6 people to show up and instead 20 show up – 10 Government workers and then each has a consultant that actually knows what is going on and is doing their job. They arrive 30 minutes early.

    The goal is not zero government. The goal is limited govt. We of course need: Fire, Police, Army, Navy, etc.

    I dread the typical call to a health insurance company. ie. trying figure out what would be covered for medical procedures with Govt workers. Of course, everybody would have Private Insurance as well, so their typical first response will be…check with the Private insurance company first to see what they cover, then call us back – after waiting 40 minutes on hold.

  169. tomlovestroy says: Jan 1, 2011 10:15 PM

    @therealjcannon

    My first election I voted for Jimmy Carter. It is amazing how time on the unemployment line clears your head. Now that plenty of others have the same experience with Jimmy Carter II, I am pretty sure we won’t have to suffer thru another 4 years. I remember later graduating to the Ronald Reagan economy. Back then I was called a Reagan Democrat, today since it is Obama I am called a racist.

  170. cadidliac says: Jan 2, 2011 12:18 AM

    Is it me or does a two term Republican Paresident mean that the Country be left in ruins? We as a Nation, now…. is very much the same as it was after the Reagan rein. Economy and such………

  171. thedogdefender says: Jan 2, 2011 2:25 AM

    All animal lovers and anyone with a shred of decency should boycott all Eagles games. I refuse to finance Mike Vick. He should be forever barred from playing any professional sports.

    Did Mike Vick give dogs a second chance as they lay there whimpering for mercy? No, all dogs who didn’t perform well were executed in a brutal manner.
    Take a look at photos of the mercy Mike Vick showed the dogs.

    The Bible says, “You will reap what you sow” which basically means what goes around comes around. He should receive the same kind of mercy. He should stop being such a cry baby as if he is a victim and take what he has done like a man. Mike Vick will not change but find a way to continue dog fighting under the radar of officials. I say this because for years he participated in dog fighting and only stopped because he was caught. Even his own Father urged him to stop in 2001 and he refused. If a Son will not listen to his own Father, then who will he listen to?
    Boddie told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that around 2001, Vick was staging dogfights in the garage of the family’s home in Newport News and kept fighting dogs in the family’s backyard, including injured ones which the father nursed back to health. Boddie said his son had been urged to not engage in the activity, but continued. He stated: “This is Mike’s thing. And he knows it.”

    If Obama wants Mike Vick to have a second chance then let the government give it to him. Recruit him in the military so he can observe REAL men and women doing REAL work and not for the absurd amounts Mike gets for tossing a ball around.

  172. behanzin says: Jan 2, 2011 11:40 AM

    keep keeping on Micheal Vick …… do something good for the black community of Philly ….. be proud and stand tall …… and dont give youre haters another chance to get you …… and laugh at their stupid asses all the way to the BANK !!!!!!!

  173. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Jan 2, 2011 4:16 PM

    I still contend that Obama is not as bad as Bush. I agree that ruining this country with his spending policies. But I also believe his intentions were good when he took office. So he’s a socialist and has an extremely different view of what America should be than we do. His bills aren’t very competent. There at least is no malice in that.
    Bush is responsible for the intentional death of thousands of Americans. I’d love to believe otherwise but I can’t…unless someone here could show me just one picture or video of the plane that hit the pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania, then I will admit I am wrong. Should be easy for you to do. Every plane crash in the history of the world has a picture of it.

  174. rarson says: Jan 2, 2011 10:01 PM

    @discosucs2005

    “I think a lot of intelligent people go through the phase you are in.”

    Lysander Spooner, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises… yeah, there’s at least a couple extremely intelligent individuals.

    “But you have to extensively look through history and even the present to know that we need government.”

    No, you don’t. In fact, if you actually look through history, you’ll see a lot of evidence that shows that governments are more destructive than they are helpful. Besides, I feel obligated to point out that you’re making a very strong claim that you have left completely unsupported.

    “Look at current countries with smaller or virtually no governments and compare their economies, and people’s wellbeing to that of countries with bigger more powerful governments.”

    Okay, I pick the Czech Republic. Let me show you how this “supporting your argument” thing works:

    In 1990, Czechoslovakia was about 97% government-controlled. It was the the MOST socialized government of any country in the Warsaw Pact. By 1995, the Czech Republic (which is 2/3 the size of the old Czechoslovakia) had become 80% privately-owned. Since then, the government has further increased privatization, and the Czech Republic has become one of the most developed, stable, and prosperous economies of the post-Communist states. Quality of life in the Czech Republic has drastically improved.

    “Look at states here in America. Look at the most (forgive the phrase) libertarian states compared the least.”

    Why? That has nothing to do with anything. This is the same argument people attempt to make when they say “look at what the free market in the US has gotten us”. Invariably, they point to health care as a shortcoming of the free market, completely ignoring the fact that health care is HEAVILY regulated by the government.

    The simple fact is that the “most libertarian” states are hardly libertarian at all, just like health care isn’t private and the US market isn’t free.

    I think the reality is that you have no idea what I am, what I believe, why I believe it, or even the factual nature of your own arguments. I stated above that I’m an anti-statist. This is not a conclusion that I arrived at with a dart board. It took me a good two decades of learning and adopting a variety of different ideologies. However, unlike you, I’m not arrogant enough to think that I know enough information to positively assert that I’m absolutely right. My opinions constantly change as I learn new information, so while I expect that I will continue maintaining similar beliefs, I don’t discount the possibility that this will change in the future.

    I suggest you open your mind up to the wealth of information that is out there. Read some Rothbard, Mises, and Spooner. Change your mind if you want, I don’t care, but just expose yourself to the ideas, so you at least understand what you’re arguing against.

  175. rarson says: Jan 2, 2011 10:19 PM

    @tomlovestroy

    I DID say that I support NO government. As the saying goes, “There’s no government like NO GOVERNMENT.”

    “The goal is not zero government. The goal is limited govt. We of course need: Fire, Police, Army, Navy, etc.”

    The problem with limited government is that it’s virtually impossible to prevent it from expanding. The US is a great example of the resounding failure of minarchy. It seems as though it takes nothing short of total failure of an extremely socialized economy for people to wake up and start reigning government back in, much like what happened in the Czech Republic.

    The government, even a limited one, is also STILL maintaining a coercive monopoly in whatever sectors it is involved in. Why do we need government to provide fire, police, etc? I don’t understand this. You guys have to realize that you are making a statement: “we NEED government to provide specific services.” In order to support this statement, you have to show why government is more capable of providing these services than private industry is. Good luck with that. Part of the reason I’m an anti-statist is that I’ve yet to hear a convincing, coherent argument that supports this statement.

    I’ve worked in the government, I’ve served in the military, I’ve used all kinds of public and private services. I always see the same thing: the government option is the more wasteful, expensive, and lower-quality of the two.

  176. rarson says: Jan 2, 2011 10:24 PM

    @thedogdefender

    “All animal lovers and anyone with a shred of decency should boycott all Eagles games.”

    Why? Just because I’m an animal lover, I should ignore my own opinions and go along with whatever you say?

    “Did Mike Vick give dogs a second chance as they lay there whimpering for mercy?”

    Is Michael Vick a dog? Can you comprehend the difference between a dog and a human?

    “Take a look at photos of the mercy Mike Vick showed the dogs.”

    And? Wait, am I supposed to respond to your appeal to emotion as if it’s not a logical fallacy?

    “The Bible says…”

    Okay, you’re done.

  177. severalspeciesofsmallfurryanimals says: Jan 2, 2011 11:02 PM

    OK. I see this has been removed from the most commented section, even though it has the third most comments. Guess I’ll be quiet now. I was just kidding about everything I said. HA HA!

  178. rarson says: Jan 2, 2011 11:59 PM

    @severalspecies

    PFT only features most commented articles for a short period of time. When an article gets this many comments, it tends to drop off to just a couple of people. PFT gets more clicks and comments by throwing new articles up regularly as “most commented”.

    It’s annoying, but it used to be even more aggravating before the switch to WordPress. At least I have easy access to the threads I comment on the WordPress dashboard.

  179. mannyicey says: Jan 4, 2011 6:50 AM

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    Garrett Baldwin says: Dec 27, 2010 1:57 PM

    mannyicey:

    you live in a fairytale world. His approval won’t touch 52 percent in the next two years. He’s lost the middle and anyone who is even mildly fiscal conservative will not be fooled this time.
    ——————————————————

    Gallup poll from yesterday has Obama’s approval rating at 50%. It’s been increasing steadily since the mid-terms.

  180. tomlovestroy says: Jan 5, 2011 1:01 AM

    @rarson

    Why do we need government to provide fire, police, etc? I don’t understand this. You guys have to realize that you are making a statement: “we NEED government to provide specific services.” In order to support this statement, you have to show why government is more capable of providing these services than private industry is. Good luck with that.

    You are half right and I am half wrong. We don’t need Govt to do fire and police. I agree we could actually contract that out and get better service. However, we can’t contract out our military, at least the part the part that makes decisions on who we attack and why, and it can’t be left to a vote. We do need some Govt for the basic services of protection from foreign enemies. I think we also need some basic services for helping the less fortunate: handicapped, etc. However, I agree with you..Any Govt Service will be 5 times more expensive than what could be done by private industry. ie. Cost per child for public education is 5 times that of private education.

    This is the formula for why Obamacare will be an absolute disaster.

    Obamacare is NOT about saving money, it is about politcizing 1/6th of the economy.

    ie…Politicians will spend money and campaign for black votes because blacks die sooner than whites. We will have govt funded surveys for why their are more white doctors than black doctors. Everybody’s care will go down, costs will skyrocket and everything gets politicized. We can’t let Obama do this number on our economy.

  181. rarson says: Jan 18, 2011 5:19 AM

    @tomlovestroy

    “However, we can’t contract out our military, at least the part the part that makes decisions on who we attack and why, and it can’t be left to a vote.”

    You’re not getting it. No government means no nation, no target, and no military. If people living within a certain area wanted to hire someone to protect themselves and their own personal property, they could certainly do so. I know I personally have no need to invade other countries, and I don’t know anyone else that does, either. So the fact that you assume that a group of people living in a randomly-defined geographical area need to “make decisions on who they attack and why” just completely boggles my mind.

    “We do need some Govt for the basic services of protection from foreign enemies.”

    Unfortunately, you couldn’t be more wrong. It’s the government that creates this need, by creating those foreign enemies in the first place (not only is the government interfering in their affairs, but it’s making the citizens guilty by association) and giving those enemies a nice convenient target to attack. If the United States was simply a collection of many little communities, there’s no possible way an outside force could actually take them over without occupying all of them. But better still, there would be no good reason to randomly attack one community over another.

    “Obamacare is NOT about saving money, it is about politcizing 1/6th of the economy.”

    Of course it’s not about saving money, but our health care system is already heavily regulated, which is why it sucks so much. And health care certainly isn’t 1/6th of the entire freaking economy. Obamacare really won’t have a huge impact other than increasing the budget deficit a bit, a deficit which Obama’s already inflated drastically anyway, and health care costs, which are already ridiculously high. It seems like you just want to complain about Obamacare for some reason.

    The financial policy of our government is so devastating and we’ve pushed it so far that I feel comfortable in saying that it likely cannot be corrected. Our government will dissolve much like the Soviet Union did. To that end, I’d like to see it happen as fast as possible, so I’m all for Obama pushing through any kind of legislation that results in even more rampant spending. I also hope that whoever gets elected next is even worse than him. Anyone who can run the country into the ground as fast as possible. I’m thinking Palin might actually be a good choice.

    “We will have govt funded surveys for why their are more white doctors than black doctors.”

    You do realize that the AMA directly controls who is allowed to become doctors, right? That’s part of the reason why health care is currently so expensive.

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