Channing Crowder: MVP should be Vick, will be Brady

We always enjoy hearing from Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder, whether he’s launching into bizarre diatribes about Anne Frank and Helen Keller, or saying he has no idea where London is. So we took notice when Crowder weighed in on the Most Valuable Player debate between Michael Vick and Tom Brady.

“Everybody knows it should be Michael Vick, but they’re going to let Brady win it because it’s Tom Brady,” Crowder told FanHouse. “You’ve got to go with Vick. Vick’s my dude.”

I’m not sure it’s fair to say that “everybody knows” it should be Vick, as Brady’s passing numbers have been significantly better than Vick’s this year’s, and the Patriots have been the best team in football.

Crowder may be right, however, that some voters will lean toward Brady for reasons that have more to do with Brady and Vick as people than Brady and Vick as quarterbacks. On the other hand, some voters might lean toward Vick because the redemption story seems too good to pass up.

Whatever the merits of the two candidates, with two games to go for Vick and one to go for Brady, the two-man MVP race appears to be too close to call.

198 responses to “Channing Crowder: MVP should be Vick, will be Brady

  1. This sounds like when Terrelle “I didn’t know” Pryor
    said- “I love Vick…Everyone does — kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance.”

  2. It’s certainly not to close to call. Brady is obviously the best QB and best player in the league this year. I am sure that Jesse Jackson will have something to say about it though.

  3. Channing Crowder: “My opinion is worthless, but i’ll keep yapping anyway because i’m a jackass”

  4. Who cares what Channing Crowder thinks ?He is a sub par player with a big mouth who won’t even be on an NFL roster in the next two years.

    Mike Vick is having a great season but anyone who thinks he deserves the MVP over what Brady has accomplished obviously doesn’t really understand the game.

    Crowder can keep flapping his gums because after Sunday he can do what he does best, NOTHING.

  5. They could compromise and give the award to Michael “Mike” Brady, for being able to keep a divided, dysfunctional household together, all that time.

  6. Black players always support black quarterbacks (remember the Ravens players wanted Troy Smith to start over Flacco), not that there is anything wrong with that. They just stick together. Brady will get it, because he deserves it more. Vick is having a great year, but Brady is having one of the best ever and his team has a better record. I am an Eagles fan.

  7. With Vick

    The Eagles outscore their opponents by 9.0 points(per full game w/Vick).

    Without Vick

    The Eagles have been outscored by 3.8 points(per full game without Vick).

    The Tom Brady led Patriots outscore there opponents by 10.2 ppg, while having a defense allowing 2.6 less pts, and a special teams/defense that’s scored 5 more TD’s(2.5 per game avg). So theorhetically, average out the defenses and special teams to be the same as the Eagles, then the Tom Brady led Patriots would only have outscores their opponents by an average of 5.1 ppg (10.2 – 2.6 – 2.5), compared to Vicks 9.0.

    If anything, the games Vick has missed show how valueable he really is. Because, like I said before, the Patriots have the better coach, better O-line, better defense, better depth, and better special teams. Yet everyone wants to say how much better Vicks offensive weapons are because he has 1 better WR and 1 better RB.

  8. I think it should go to Vick simply because he’s Crowder’s “dude”, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    Seriously, there’s something racial going on here and it’s kind of creepy. The media is pretty much afraid to come right out and say that there is a big racial thing going on now. Is it any surprise that Obama didn’t make a public statement in favor of Tom Brady?

  9. “Brady’s passing numbers have been significantly better than Vick’s this year’s, and the Patriots have been the best team in football.”

    Brady’s team is better without question and it reflects in his stats. However, when voting for most valuable PLAYER, Vick should win that one hands down. Without Brady a few season’s ago, the Patriots still were able to get to the playoffs, just showing how much better the overall team is, even without their marquee player and have only improved in age and skill since then. The Eagles would not be the same team or in the same position if Kolb had been leading them this entire season.

    Borio out.

  10. wetdentist says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM
    how many rushing yards and rushing touchdowns does Brady have?
    ================================
    Brady has very few rushing yards and maybe one sneak for a touchdown. He also has no touchdown receptions. All he’s done is lead his team to the highest points per game average in the NFL at 32 per game.

  11. @ jesusjustletmeregister:

    It wasn’t just the Ravens players that wanted Troy Smith to Start over Joe Flacco… there were actual black callers to Baltimore sports radio claiming the Ravens were being racist in choosing Flacco to start over Smith. A black guy I work with said the same thing.

    The Radio’s host response?

    “Uhhhh, Ozzie Newsome’s black”

  12. If you are going by just the numbers: INTs, TD’s, record, number of games played, and passing yards; Tom Brady wins.

    Not sure why the guy with the best numbers wouldn’t get MVP.

    As a black person, I don’t like that this is becoming race based.

  13. According to Marsha Brady he doesn’t agree with giving out an MVP award in a team sport. If that is really true he should request his name be taken off the ballot and end this debate! But like anything that comes out of the mouth’s of the Patriots organization, I’m sure he is full of it! They haven’t spoken a true word to the media since Bellicheat has been head coach!

  14. flyinhighwithvick says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:28 PM
    Even though Crowder is a dope, he’s right.
    ************

    So you believe the guy with the inferior numbers should win league MVP?

  15. First and foremost I am a Pats fan and I would hate to see Brady win the MVP award this season as it is almost a certain jinx on the Pats potential playoff run. I hope Vick wins and when Philly plays in the playoffs they will be one and done.

  16. In case you missed it Brady has made his thoughts known concerning this award. He stated that many deserving players do not get credit for the job they do. He said QB’s are always considered yet without their linemen, who are never in th voting, they could not perform. It is strange that people make such a big deal about the whole thing. To him the award that counts is the Lombardi Trophy. Mike Vick served his time and received a second chance that many others in society do not. Crying over him is a waste of time and effort. He committed horrible acts against helpless animals. Do you remember the sicko’s who killed small helpless animals when you were young? They were usually the village idiot in later life.

  17. #
    tigrrrr says: Dec 28, 2010 1:40 PM

    Vick doesnt deserve to be in the nfl, never the less an award. Lousy human being.

    GET A LIFE!!!! IT’s football, not the catholic church or sainthood!! I D I O T ! !

  18. Brady will win the MVP because he’s the league’s “golden boy”, while Vick is generally regarded as a low life thug convict (especially by animal lovers, which there are a lot of). The redemption angle may be a good one in Vick’s favor, but it won’t be enough for him to get the votes to win. Besides, not everyone buys the fact that he really has changed. A lot of people think he’d have a better chance of winning an Oscar for his acting performance than an MVP for his play on the field.

  19. He is spot on with that comment!…Vick obviously does deserve it but the No Fun League who is ran by Nazi’s are not going ot let the Golden Boy aka Brady NOT win the MVP

  20. IF Vick wins – Well deserved!
    Vick is a VERY valuable piece to the Eagles success.

    If Brady wins – It’s just a popularity contest and holds NO value.
    Brady is just 1 one many valuable pieces and much like a few years ago when Cassle took over the Patriots still won WITHOUT TOM so he is NOT that valuable to that team!

  21. Just ignore the dog-killing, the games missed, and the added entertainment value MV brings as an athlete.

    Who is the better quarterback? Who is the better team leader? Who would you want to lead your team as it tries to win one game, succeed in one drive, or make even one tough throw when the whole season is on the line?

    Vick is exciting to watch and does things with his legs that Tom and others can’t hope to do. Tom does things mistake-free with his brain and arm that Vick can’t do either, and that to me seems more important.

    Bottom line: Tom is unquestionably the essential player and leader on the best team in the league and does more to help that team succeed than anyone else does for their lesser team. He leads a young and (yes) REBUILDING team that contains 21 players who were not even drafted in the NFL, and 18 others (including Tom) who were drafted in round 5 or later. If Tom Brady is not the MVP this year, I question what the MVP award is all about.

    Would Philly fans feel doomed if Kevin Kolb takes the field tonight? Not likely. In NE we love Hoyer as a backup. If he has to take over a meaningful game for Tom, though, to say we are worried is an understatement.

    This race should not be close, IMO. Crowder is speaking as a fiend of Vick and a rival of Tom, so it may be clouded for him. Not for the rest of us.

  22. tiffpats4ever says:
    So you believe the guy with the inferior numbers should win league MVP?

    Vick is getting more yards per game and more touchdowns per game the Brady. And the Eagles w/Vick avg more offensive pts per game then the Patriots do with Brady. So ask that same question to yourself: Do YOU believe the guy with inferior numbers should win?

  23. 1st time in a couple of days where the PFT opinion is actually dead-on.

    Accept the comeback award Mike and move-on. Your marketing days are way behind you unless you can get a gig in China where killing dogs is completely acceptable for the dinner plate. Opining for the MVP does nothing to help your case.

  24. pastabelly,

    Actually I agree with you that this is becoming racial; however, Obama did not make a public statement supporting Vick. That’s inaccurate. He called the Eagles’ owner to applaud them for their use of alternative energy. He then thanked them for giving Vick a second chance after his release from prison. That’s hardly a ringing endorse for league MVP.

  25. Not only does Brady have better numbers than Vick, more starts, and a team with a better record, but Brady does not have a Desean Jackson. Brady will win and rightfully so.

  26. #tiffpats4eva says: Dec 28, 2010 1:46 PM
    ************
    So you believe the guy with the inferior numbers should win league MVP?
    ===========

    It happened last year. Brees better than Manning in every category except yards, with only one less win and no Pro Bowlers in skill positions, and Manning still wins in a landslide. Glad the Super Bowl sorted that out.

  27. If amazing stats are all that’s required to win the MVP, then Jamaal Charles should be in the mix with his 6.4YPC (Highest in NFL history) and (remote) possibility of winning the rushing title.

  28. Tom Brady, 34 TD’s and 4 INT’s all year, and no interceptions since Oct 17 vs. Baltimore. That’s 10 straight games without an INT. Think about that for a second.

    I guess Chowder is perplexed considering Brady only went 19/24 with 153 yards and 1 TD in a 41-14 dismantling in week 4. But really, who cares. It clearly means more to Dog Drowny to be MVP than it does to TB.

    As long as New England is playing in February, that’s all that matters.

  29. wetdentist says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM
    how many rushing yards and rushing touchdowns does Brady have?
    ________________________________

    How many passing TDs for Vick? I’m all for Vick, think he’s done great this season, but he is still a glorified RB. QBs pass and that’s what Brady does. His stats are better and he should and will win.

  30. why not brees? he plays qb and is defending world champon. i no spittythefool will disagre with me but why not the best player on the best team win it. three dat!

  31. Crowder and Suggs might be two of the biggest morons and thugs in the NFL. Do their comments really surprise anyone?

  32. this is an absurd argument. give Brady all the weapons vick has and see what numbers he puts up. give vick the Pats weapons and they dont make the playoffs.

  33. Let me guess, you had Fitzpatrick, Sanchez and Henne for your pro bowl picks right?? Obviously not too many AFC defenders love Brady but who really cares what Crowder thinks.

  34. Most of the men complaining have either cheated on their girlfriend/wife or gay…y’all have a man crush on Vick. Clean out your closet before the New Year

  35. Brady has 6 wins over playoff teams including:

    Steelers-Division winners
    Colts-Division winners
    Bears-Division winners
    Ravens-Wild card team
    Jets-Wild card team
    Packers-Will get wild card

    Vick has 1 victory over a playoff team-Colts.

    Further, the Eagles best win was against Atlanta (Kolb played), and the Eagles lost against the Bears. Where are all Vick’s good wins at?

    Also, Brady has played in ever game. Vick has missed 17 quarters (4 1/4) games.

  36. Exactly how many games has Vick played to date? Eleven? Yeah, come see me when you can play a full NFL season. Jerk.

  37. “Would Philly fans feel doomed if Kevin Kolb takes the field tonight? Not likely. In NE we love Hoyer as a backup. If he has to take over a meaningful game for Tom, though, to say we are worried is an understatement.”

    _______________________________

    Last time a backup took the reigns, your team went 11-5.

  38. mikeborio says:

    Brady’s team is better without question and it reflects in his stats. However, when voting for most valuable PLAYER, Vick should win that one hands down. Without Brady a few season’s ago, the Patriots still were able to get to the playoffs, just showing how much better the overall team is, even without their marquee player and have only improved in age and skill since then.

    —-

    Borio, better check your NFL history there. The year Brady went down and Cassel played they did not make the playoffs. And are you really going to try and say there wasn’t much difference between the 2007 Brady led offense and the 2008 led Cassel offense?

    In any case none of that is relevant to today’s MVP race.

  39. Channing Crowder is both wrong & right….he’s wrong saying the MVP should be Vick & correct when he says Brady will win it…..Channing should take a bow, he actually said something half way right….as all of us know, that doesn’t happen very often!!!!!

  40. Isn’t this the same guy that didn’t know where London was? Just goes to show what a sad excuse for a sports site this is. Trolling the moron level for comments. Brady could care less if he wins MVP so just give it to Vick to make all the know nothings happy.

  41. If it appears to be too close to call, then they should share it. The McNair/Manning way shared it. That way everybody wins.

  42. Vick is getting more yards per game and more touchdowns per game the Brady. And the Eagles w/Vick avg more offensive pts per game then the Patriots do with Brady. So ask that same question to yourself: Do YOU believe the guy with inferior numbers should win?

    Anyone can pick and choose which stats to use. For instance you choose to ignore win/loss record, INTs, quality of the defenses they face and QB rating.

  43. I also think it’s funny how Vick will be able to pad his stats in a game that should NEVER have been changed…Brady plays in a blizzard VS. the Bears & goes wild….Vick gets postponed to a clear night VS. the garbage D that is the Vikings….maybe Mike should wear his tierra & tutu so the princess can show everyone what a MVP candidate SHE really is….

  44. siantsarebest says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:09 PM
    why not brees? he plays qb and is defending world champon. i no spittythefool will disagre with me but why not the best player on the best team win it. three dat!
    ================================
    Just a guess on my part. But it might have something to do with 21 INTs. Saints won the Super Bowl last season. MVP is for THIS season.

  45. @Mike Borio– Your statement:

    “…Without Brady a few season’s ago, the Patriots still were able to get to the playoffs, just showing how much better the overall team is, even without their marquee player and have only improved in age and skill since then….”

    Wrong–they missed the 2008 playoffs w/Cassel. Probably should have made it that year but they didn’t. Might have had a better chance with a healthy Brady, but still completely irrelevant to this year’s MVP discussion. Nice try though. It’s Brady.

  46. “pastabelly says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM
    I think it should go to Vick simply because he’s Crowder’s “dude”, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    Seriously, there’s something racial going on here and it’s kind of creepy. The media is pretty much afraid to come right out and say that there is a big racial thing going on now. Is it any surprise that Obama didn’t make a public statement in favor of Tom Brady?”
    ————————————————
    You nailed it. There is a creepy racial kind of thing going on with the MVP this year and it has been helped along by our politically incorrect leader and the media.

  47. Without Brady a few season’s ago, the Patriots still were able to get to the playoffs, just showing how much better the overall team is, even without their marquee player and have only improved in age and skill since then.
    ————————————————-
    Um no they didn’t. So that point is not valid.

    Brady is doing it with a bunch of no name guys. I would like to see his numbers if he had Jackson, Maclin, and McCoy.

  48. Why are Brady’s stats so much better than Vick’s? He’s played more, and played well, but not as well as Vick.

    Thus far, Vick’s 9.75 games versus Brady’s 15…

    QB Rating – The 6.2 differential (109.8 to 103.6) means nothing when you factor in Vick’s rushing ability. The plays he makes with his feet more than make up for the slightly lower passing efficiency.

    Yards of Offense – 345.4/game, to Brady’s paltry 246.7. Even passing, Vick has 282.6. It’s not even close.

    Touchdowns – Brady averages 2.5 (he has 34 passing, 1 rushing), while Vick averages 2.87 (20 passing, 8 rushing). Again, leans quite a bit in Vick’s favor.

    Turnovers – This is probably Brady’s main skill. 0.36 turnovers per game (1 fumble, 4 INTs). Vick has 0.82.

    Overall, Vick pretty easily wins the numbers battle, and if not for Brady’s low turnover rate, it wouldn’t even be close.

  49. wetdentist says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM
    how many rushing yards and rushing touchdowns does Brady have?
    ————————————————-

    Answer:
    Rushing attempts/Yds./TD’s
    Brady 31/30/1
    Vick 92/613/6

    Big deal. Vick can out-run Tom Brady. In case some of you morons hadn’t noticed, they’re both QUARTERBACKS. Quarterbacks are PASSERS, Running Backs are for RUNNING. Now, let’s see how Vick stacks up to Brady as, you know, a PASSER:

    QB rating:
    Brady 109.8
    Vick: 103.6

    Completion Pct:
    Brady 66.0
    Vick 63.2

    TD’s:
    Brady 34
    Vick 20

    INT’s:
    Brady 4
    Vick 5

    Yards passing:
    Brady 3701
    Vick 2755

    Sacked:
    Brady 25
    Vick 28

    Wins/Losses:
    Brady 13/2
    Vick 8/3

    So Vick beats Brady in only one category; running. As a Quarterback, Vick has improved greatly but he clearly can’t carry Brady’s clipboard.

    MVP? Please. Vick can be replaced with a decent running back. Brady is the best QB in the league this season and can’t be replaced by anyone else. People like Crowder and Suggs are clearly reacting emotionally and racially.

    Yes, I called them racists.

  50. Here’s how we can make everyone happy.

    First, there is no doubt that Brady is the superior player and is most deserving of the honor. However, Brady isn’t even interested in the award so let’s give it to Vick. Brady will get the SB MVP along with another shiny new bling. Sounds fair to me.

    But, ask yourself what the Most Valuable Player award is supposed to signify? Is it the player with the gaudiest stats? The most wins? The guy who wins all the marbles? Is it nothing more than a popularity contest? Or might it even be the player who most represents the NFL badge? Now if that is between Brady, a seasoned and respected member of society who recently sat with the former first lady at the State of the Union Address, or Vick, who brutally and continuously murdered helpless, defenseless animals in the most atrocious manner possible, lied to everyone about it and only came forth when there was a brick wall blocking his escape, then I guess I change my own mind and believe Brady should get all of the accollades. I am willing to concede Vick the comback player award because he is a phenomonal athlete and to the best of our knowledge hasn’t killed anyone or anything since his release from federal prison. But the hair on the back of my neck is still sticking straight out when I see Vick on the telly saying he thinks he should be mvp. There are clans of dogs who think he should be, Most Vicious Prick. Brady represents the badge, while Vick has pissed all over it.

  51. I like Charles in KC as a dark horse pick. Regardless, Brady’s numbers are amazing this year, nothing short of that. Were it not for this dog fighting/redemption thing, I doubt Vick would even be in the conversation.

  52. Brady deserves the MVP, not that he cares about it.

    Vick deserves to be flipping burgers, not playing football in the NFL, and he DOES care about it.

  53. Well, let’s see… The MVP award is supposed to go to the player who means the most to his team…then there is absolutely no question it should go to Peyton Manning this year. Brady has great numbers and is ‘being Brady’ this year. He’s a tremendous player, but his team can survive without him (see 2008), with a guy who had last started a game in what, high school ?? Vick has put up great numbers, albeit not Brady numbers. His ability to run the ball adds something that puts him in the race as an MVP, except for one thing. This team also has won similarly with McNabb…meaning that Vick’s influence is less about how great Vick is and more about how good the rest of the team is. That’s not a knock on Vick.

    However, there is no disputing that the Colts are NOT winning anything without Peyton. How can anyone who watches the game not see this ?? That team, like the Dolphins of the 80’s and 90’s win nothing without their QB. Therefore, it’s a foregone conclusion that there isn’t even a race about who should be the league MVP…Peyton…

  54. tombradyswig, the NFL actually does take off the field issues into it’s decisions, which is why there is a personal conduct contract. It is woefully ignorant for you to imply that Vick’s personal history shouldn’t be taken into consideration.

  55. Agreed Crowder. It’s funny that all the Pats fans have to come on here and cry because Vick is even mentioned in the same sentence as Brady. Oh Saint Brady, what a standup citizen he is. Leaves his pregnant girlfriend for a supermodel and a Justin Bieber hairdo. I’m sure Baby Brady the First doesn’t see daddy, he sees daddy’s checks and that’s about all. Wish all you bandwagon Pats fans would quit hanging off of Brady’s Brett Favre and be objective for once.

  56. mikeborio says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:38 PM
    Brady’s team is better without question and it reflects in his stats.
    ——————————————-

    Really? The Patriots defense is ranked 27th in the league, the Eagles are ranked 8th on total defense. LeSean McCoy is also averaging 5.3 yards per carry this season, better then Green-Ellis (although he’s having a good year too).

    MVP is the dumbest award in football anyway. QBs and RBs have won the award every year since 1986, and only three people have won it since it started in 1957 that weren’t QBs and RBs. Why? Because they’re the most visible players in football. It’s a glorified popularity contest.

  57. Well thanks to Crowder, Vicks shot at the MVP just walked out the door. Brady will throw 4 more TDs against the Dolphins just to make Crowder look dumb…

    Kind of like that Pitt safety who ran his mouth a few years ago, then promptly got beat on a flea flicker for a 50 yard TD. Brady remembers this kind of stuff…

  58. The year Brady didn’t have a line, what happened? Yup! He got hurt and was out for the season. Put Brady behind the Eagles line and watch what will happen. Yup! He’d get hurt. The bottom line is Vick is doing more with less

  59. Hey guys, why let the facts get in the way of opening your mouths? Brady has a higher QB rating than Vick. However, when you include rushing yards Vick’s QB rating is higher than Brady’s. The Patriots have a better overall team than the Eagles so it’s hard to include team records. Regardless, when Tom Brady or Peyton Manning are have a good year then the MVP award will go to them and the mainstream media will “co-sign” that decision.

  60. flyinhighwithvick says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:28 PM
    Even though Crowder is a dope, he’s right.
    ************

    So you believe the guy with the inferior numbers should win league MVP?

    **No, I believe Vick deserves the MVP, but they will give it to Brady because they will say Vick has more weapons around him, and Brady has Woodhead.**

  61. Vick is more valuable to his team than Brady, but if we are going to use that measure, other QBs like Rivers and Cassel are even more valuable than Vick.

    Brady is a better player than Vick. Just because he wasn’t a chronic underachiever who is playing his best football since spending two years in federal lockup doesn’t make him in any way inferior to Vick.

  62. wetdentist says: Dec 28, 2010 1:34 PM

    how many rushing yards and rushing touchdowns does Brady have?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You’ve been using way to much intravenous valium/demerol and sodium pentethol
    wetcrouchdentist

  63. Racial thing? Vick is a dog killing POS thug who just so happens to be black. Brady is a better football player, a better leader, a better team/league representative, is having a better year on a better team and is a better citizen.

    Brady is having a historical year, Vick is catching people by surprise, well not Peppers but the rest of the chumps in the NFL.

    Brady is the MVP, Urlacher comeback player and Vick a disgrace to the human race.

  64. Just because Tom Brady looks a lot like all the old photographs of Jesus, and Mike Vick looks like a few of the old photographs of The Other Guy, I don’t think that should factor into the final decision.

  65. “Anyone can pick and choose which stats to use. For instance you choose to ignore win/loss record, INTs, quality of the defenses they face and QB rating.”

    Actually, besides TD/INT ratio, Brady isn’t doing better then Vick. Vick is 8-1 in games he starts and finishes, that’s a better win % then Brady’s 13-2. Vick plays in a better division, and Brady has 13 TD’s 0 INT”s against the Bills, Bengals, and Lions. You tell me who’s beating up on “weaker” competition.

  66. Considering this is a rebuilding year for the Patriots, considering Brady has thrown 319 passes without a pick, and the Patriots look to set the single season record for least amount of turnovers. I’m leaning towards Brady myself.

    Doesn’t make Vick a bad player, doesn’t make Vick inferior to Brady. Brady’s just having a stellar year.

    If anything, this argument is more like, oh let’s give it to Vick because we feel sorry that…he broke the law. C’mon people…

  67. Just noticed I shorted Vick two rushing TD’s, for a total of 8, not 6. Still doesn’t make him a better passer (Quarterback) than Brady, just makes him an even better running back than Tom.

  68. dallasbaby says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:42 PM
    Agreed Crowder. It’s funny that all the Pats fans have to come on here and cry because Vick is even mentioned in the same sentence as Brady. Oh Saint Brady, what a standup citizen he is. Leaves his pregnant girlfriend for a supermodel and a Justin Bieber hairdo. I’m sure Baby Brady the First doesn’t see daddy, he sees daddy’s checks and that’s about all. Wish all you bandwagon Pats fans would quit hanging off of Brady’s Brett Favre and be objective for once.
    ===============================
    Off with his head. 🙂

  69. Crowder remains one of the biggest a-holes on the face of the planet. GFY you moron. In fact I should be ashamed of myself for insulting morons by comparing him to one of them.

  70. Why is it racial for a black player to support Vick as MVP, but white America can support Brady and it’s the right way to go? If Vick weren’t a legit candidate, he wouldn’t even be in the conversation.

    Its not racial. It’s called a difference of opinion.

    Take Vick off the Eagles and they are 6-10. Maybe. The Patriots have proven they can win without Brady. They still went 11-5 when he was out that year.

    Brady can have MVP. I don’t care. But don’t act like supporting Vick is “a black thang” or any other such nonsense.

  71. larryfinfan and twocents22
    One of the biggest problems with these boards are uninformed fans. MVP IS NOT an award based on “value to team”!! remember that whem your homer juices start flowing,

  72. First, why on earth would anyone give a rat’s ass about what Channing Crowder says – calling him a moron would be an insult to moron’s everywhere.

    For those who think Cassel’s accomplishments in 2008 somehow negate what Brady’s accomplished, consider these points: First, Cassel is actually pretty good, as evidenced by his outstanding season with KC. Second, the 2008 Patriots had the good fortune of playing the AFC West, and NFC West in 2008, two very poor divisions. The Pats record against those teams was 7-1, meaning they were 4-4 against the rest of the league. Also, they did not make the playoffs, losing a tie-breaker with Miami based on divisional record.

    Brady is having the best season of any QB in football, Vick included. He’s just broken an almost 20 year record for attempts without an interception, and his ratio of TD’s to INT’s is off the charts (8.5 to 1). His OL is somewhat overrated. Everyone knows that Light has trouble with speed rushers off the edge, and Koppen can be overpowered up the middle. Like most great QB’s, Brady makes his line look better by making fast decisions and delivering the ball quickly and on target. He feels pressure and he’s able to avoid the rush well enough to make a play, much as Marino used to. You can hate him if you wish, but anyone that suggests that Vick is a better player than Tom Brady just doesn’t understand the game and what the QB’s role is.

  73. agaytan15 says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:18 PM
    Brady has 6 wins over playoff teams including:

    Steelers-Division winners
    Colts-Division winners
    Bears-Division winners
    Ravens-Wild card team
    Jets-Wild card team
    Packers-Will get wild card

    Vick has 1 victory over a playoff team-Colts.

    Further, the Eagles best win was against Atlanta (Kolb played), and the Eagles lost against the Bears. Where are all Vick’s good wins at?

    Also, Brady has played in ever game. Vick has missed 17 quarters (4 1/4) games.

    ____________________________________________________________________

    EXACTLY … the race is only close because Vick is black. It’s sad that this has come down to a race issue. The only ones who think Vick should get the MVP are the blacks, Eagles fans and the Brady haters. LOL even the president is tthrowing his support behind Vick … give me a break.

  74. funkylovemonkey says: Dec 28, 2010 2:43 PM

    mikeborio says:
    Dec 28, 2010 1:38 PM
    Brady’s team is better without question and it reflects in his stats.
    ——————————————-

    Really? The Patriots defense is ranked 27th in the league, the Eagles are ranked 8th on total defense. LeSean McCoy is also averaging 5.3 yards per carry this season, better then Green-Ellis

    *******************

    Well, if you want to use yards (Pats defense allows less pts pg then Eagles) then you have to give the award to Vick for more Yards Per Game then Brady. So if you really think the less yards per game makes the Eagles defense better, then you support Vick for MVP. However, if you think points per game matter, then you will say that Patriots have the better defense, and also Vick for MVP seeing how Eagles avg more yards and pts with Vick then the Patriots do. Either way you look at it…

  75. quite frankly, i think Vick deserves it over Brady.

    Vick has played in 11 games this year and has:
    3368 TOTAL yards, 28 TOTAL TD (8 rushing), 5 INTs

    Brady has played in 15 games this year and has: 3731 TOTAL yards, 35 TOTAL TD (1 rushing), 4 INTs.

    Now, if Vick had 4 more games under his belt, his stats would be a bit better, and probably even better than Brady’s.

    Not to mention, Vick is the only reason the Eagles are in 1st place. Bellicheck would have the Pats competing for the playoffs/division title even if Brady was hurt (we saw this a couple of years ago)

  76. Brady’s teammates include 21 players who never heard their name called on draft day. Yes, 21 undrafted free agents. 18 others picked in round 5 or later.

    To say that he is surrounded by more talent is idiotic. Offensive line? The Patriots have lost two starters this year (Kaczur, Neal), Light is solid but past his prime. Mankins is great and has been there for half a season. Vollmer is getting better but is by no means a pro bowler yet.

    Expect the Patriots to use some of their 6 picks in the first 3 rounds to actually UPGRADE their O-line.

    Passer rating, TD-INT ratio, total touchdown passes, 3rd down effeciency, and completion percentage are the QB stats that correlate most with WINNING. Brady had the edge over Vick in all of them. 34 TDs and 4 picks is amazing. The last pick was even a hail Mary to end regulation vs. the Ravens!

  77. I love the comments about the 2008 Pats with Cassel and how that makes Brady less valuable. You guys do realize that Cassel just led his team to the Chiefs first divsion title in 7 years right? And with him out for surgery they got smoke? And that the 2008 pats happen to go 18-1 the year before (so they were a pretty stacked team)? If Brady was out the Pats are done, if Vick’s out, Kolb has shown he can win games (2 of the eagles w’s are with Kolb). Also, to say the Pats have a better defense than Philly is crazy. Both statisically and intangilbliy the Eagles d is better. And BB is a great coach but Reid isn’t half bad. It’s not like Vick is carrying a badteam.

  78. it should definitely go to Brady, and the fact that Vick is a sick dogmurdering psycho has nothing to do with it…however, we have seen the CIA operative Obama drawing attention to the Vick redemption story because it is good for people in this country with the highest incarceration rate in the world to not feel hopeless because they may then rebel against the fascist police state…and since the intelligence community always gets whatever nazi thing it wants, i assume voters will be intimidated or the election will be rigged just like it normally is in america, and vick will win…mark these words because they are the truth

  79. MagicTom™ wins going away. He loves animals — especially puppies, he’s also a role model for metrosexuals everywhere. He’s simply the best and he smells good too!!!!

  80. dallasbaby says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:42 PM
    Agreed Crowder. It’s funny that all the Pats fans have to come on here and cry because Vick is even mentioned in the same sentence as Brady. Oh Saint Brady, what a standup citizen he is. Leaves his pregnant girlfriend for a supermodel and a Justin Bieber hairdo. I’m sure Baby Brady the First doesn’t see daddy, he sees daddy’s checks and that’s about all. Wish all you bandwagon Pats fans would quit hanging off of Brady’s Brett Favre and be objective for once.

    ______________________________

    Are you kidding me? You have no idea what his relationship is with his first son. None. Who the f*** are you to make assumptions like that? I know I see pictures of BOTH his kids dressed up in Patriots #12 shirts in his locker when he’s interviewed. I know I’ve seen many many pictures of him with both his sons. So your “he never sees his father” crack is really f’ing weak.

    And he left his pregnant girlfriend for a hairdo? More evidence of your intelligence level. Maybe you should ask yourself why another man’s hairdo is so important to you.

    You’re pretty funny telling Pats fans to be objective after spewing off like a moron about this guy’s family, with absolutely no facts to back it up, for no reason other than he plays for a team you don’t like.

    Mike Vick is a CONVICTED FELON. He killed dogs, those are FACTS. No one made that up. Don’t even remotely compare what Mike Vick did to ANYTHING Tom Brady, or anyone else, for that matter, has done.

  81. twocents22 said that the Eagles play in a better division.

    Look at the Sagarin computer rankings, dude: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl10.htm?loc=interstitialskip

    Strength of schedule? Patriots 6th, Eagles 14th.

    #1 Division in the NFL: AFC East (The NFC East is fifth-best).

    On a neutral field, Buffalo-Dallas is a pick-em game (Dallas 0.25 points), Dolphins would be favored by 3 over Redskins, Jets by 3 over Giants, Pats by 7 over Eagles. All are based on the Overall points rating (composite of pure points & Elo chess).

  82. “Vick is a great redemption story.”

    Ok…..so Brady has a career type year, with career type numbers, and leads a young, rebuilding team to the best record in the NFL…..

    …..Yet the MVP should go to Vick, because he did prison time, and no longer kills dogs?

    I don’t see where Vick should get any extra credit for making a great comeback. He made a comeback from circumstances of his own making. If he is truly the best player in the league, then he should get the award on merit, and not be penalized for his past transgressions…….but the award should not be taken away from Brady, simply because he’s never done prison time or tortured helpless animals.

  83. another thing, the league would never postpone a game so Brady could pad his stats on national tv in clear weather like they just did for vick.

  84. Please even as an Eagles fan and supporter of Vick, Brady makes everyone on his team better. Woodhead? Really, is there anyone on the Eagles who is that much better because of Vick?
    Crowder likes Vick because he is black, plain and simple.

  85. its amazing to me the levels of ignorance, incivility and intelligence on some of these NFL players. they should require at least 2.5-3.0 GPA to play football. if your stupid, you should stay stupid and not make money. work hard and be smart. it’s embarrassing these men don’t know how to speak properly in their 20’s and 30’s

  86. First, dallasbaby: if you want to have a serious discussion, say something serious. If you want to spew baby talk, don’t sit at the adult table.

    Second, mb2020: you are using questionable methodology to determine who is doing more with less. Also, the blanket statement that Brady would be injured more often with a different teams offensive line is absurd.

    Lets bring this topic back to reality: it is a team award masquerading as a single player award. It’s frequently given to QB’s, which we can all agree is subjective since a single QB does better on a better team. Based on that, AND SOLELY ON THAT, Brady comes out ahead, as do the Patriots.

    This isn’t a difficult issue, spewing meaningless statistics can make anyone prove anything, all it does it muddy the issue. Brady is one of the best QBs to play the game, Vick is not (and if you disagree with this you are intentionally being ignorant). Building on that, Brady is having one of his best years ever. Vick is also having one of his best years ever, but he’s simply not in the same class as Brady. I’m sorry so many of you can’t accept that, fortunately reality does not require you to.

  87. 2012 Race war, stock up on Ammo and MRE’s
    Heard it here first.
    As a Jets fan(white) Brady deserves it but it is close.
    As a dog lover(white) Vick is a scumbag.
    As a Jets fan and a football fan, Stupid award anyway.
    As a survivalist, you can find me deep in the woods. Clipped up with a strategic advantage for line of sight.
    LOL

  88. “Agreed Crowder. It’s funny that all the Pats fans have to come on here and cry because Vick is even mentioned in the same sentence as Brady. Oh Saint Brady, what a standup citizen he is. Leaves his pregnant girlfriend for a supermodel and a Justin Bieber hairdo. I’m sure Baby Brady the First doesn’t see daddy, he sees daddy’s checks and that’s about all. Wish all you bandwagon Pats fans would quit hanging off of Brady’s Brett Favre and be objective for once.”
    ^^^^^
    Well clearly we have a fine example to follow in you when it comes to the objectivity department.

    Come to think of it, other than throwing some nonsensical red herrings into the equation, you have given us one of the least objective, most irrelevant arguments in the 100 posts already here. Given your self righteous indignation, that’s not an easy task. Job well done, sir.

    And just for the record, no, Brady should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Vick, either on a personal or professional level:

    Brady: stand up citizen, epitome of the “team” concept / 3 Super Bowl wins / 18 playoff starts / suited to play in all conditions
    Vick: convicted dog drowning felon / 0 Super Bowl appearances / 4 playoff starts / needs unprecedented “public safety” measures so that he can execute his game and not get injured

    I’ll take Brady

  89. Vick has ran for over 600 yards and 8 tds. hes the mvp. brady might have superior passing numbers. Brady has been in the same system for 10 years. Vick was in prison 2 years ago. No way the eagles win half the games they have won without vick. Where as the pats are more system orriented as you saw with matt cassel. He sucks i dont care if bowe is having a monster year. All his good throws are either slants to bo or 15 yard in and out routs and the recivers make the play

  90. Who cares, it’s a dumb award. Just give Brady and Vick co-MVP.

    Vick’s gonna win comeback player of the year, and possibly offensive player of the year.

  91. Most valuable PFT player?
    Sanchez. He draws the most ire in the replys and some of the best nicknames.
    Pft coach of the year. Good ol Sexy Rexy. Probably drives more traffic to this site than any one. And for good reason.
    PFT team of the year?
    Awaiting your replies.

  92. gregjennings85 says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:20 PM
    “Would Philly fans feel doomed if Kevin Kolb takes the field tonight? Not likely. In NE we love Hoyer as a backup. If he has to take over a meaningful game for Tom, though, to say we are worried is an understatement.”

    _______________________________

    Last time a backup took the reigns, your team went 11-5.

    A backup who is going to finish in the top 5 or 6 for the MVP award this yr. And comparing a team from 2008 to the 2010 team doesn’t make sense to begin with, completely different team in all 3 phases. And they didn’t make the playoffs so not sure why this has been brought up numerous times by posters.

  93. have to be a rushing QB. Brady is slow even for a QB but he does seem to get the job done. Vick is a rusher as part of his overall game, whereas Brady rushes only when he is desperate. The 2 are very different.

  94. a lot of you folks seem to need some laughs, so go find the video of Woodhead trying to sell Woodhead jerseys in a store in Mass. Funny.

    Then go look at the video of Shaquille O’Neal in a tux conducting the Boston Pops Orchestra.

  95. “Anyone can pick and choose which stats to use. For instance you choose to ignore win/loss record, INTs, quality of the defenses they face and QB rating.”

    Actually, besides TD/INT ratio, Brady isn’t doing better then Vick. Vick is 8-1 in games he starts and finishes, that’s a better win % then Brady’s 13-2. Vick plays in a better division, and Brady has 13 TD’s 0 INT”s against the Bills, Bengals, and Lions. You tell me who’s beating up on “weaker” competition.

    Really the NFC east is better than the AFC East. According to win-loss the AFC east is .556 and the NFC east is .508. Brady has played the top 4 scoring defenses in the league. Pittsburgh gives up 14.9, Brady put up 39. Green Bay gives up 15.8, Brady put up 24 pts in 19 minutes of time of possession, Baltimore gives up 17.5, Brady put up 23, Chicago gives up 18.4, Brady put up 36 in the snow. Yea that’s weak competition alright. Not to mention San Diego, Cleveland, Miami, and NY Jets are in the top 11 as well, which means 10 of the 16 games are against the best scoring defenses in the NFL. Get your facts straight before posting.

  96. If anything Vick should lose because who wants to be stupid enough to agree with Channing Crowder? It only becomes more obvious when you actually look at the stats that Brady is far superior to Vick. And what’s this non-sense “Vick is more valuable to his team but Brady is the better QB” crap people keep trying to peddle? The Eagles beat the #1 seed in the NFC with Kevin Kolb, not Michael Vick! Would the Patriots have beaten the Steelers/Ravens/Colts with Brian Hoyer? Doubtful!

  97. Wow. Someone said that Brady should not be MVP because he has a bad haircut!

    Both Vick and Brady are deserving. And noone could dispute that without Manning, Indy would be nothing, but without Brady and Vick, NE and Philly would still be good teams.

    Either could win the MVP and it would not be “wrong”. It really is too close to call.

    Vick’s crime was reprehensible, but he served his time and has apparently been clean ever since. It is not like we are choosing between Ghandi and Hitler.

  98. 1. Vick didn’t play a complete season. How can you compare the two fairly?

    2. As far a Vick for “come back player of the year”…he came back LAST season. That boat has sailed. Unless you can count Brady still for coming back from his knee injury from 2008. He missed 2008, came back in 2009, so let’s call him come back player of the year for 2010 too! c’mon people!

  99. Vick-Brady Co-MVP Problem solved.

    “Crowder and Suggs might be two of the biggest morons and thugs in the NFL. Do their comments really surprise anyone?”

    No, but “Can I help you up (after my 3rd sack) ,Mr Brady?”

    That comment WILL surprise me.

  100. anyone trying to say the Pats would win with a backup b/c Cassel stepped in and was moderately successful, remember the Pats had to change their offense and the team went from 18 wins the year before, to 11. thats significant in my book.

  101. Men lie, women lie, numbers do not. Look at the stats, records and then make a decision. Yes Brady is the poster boy of the NFL, while Vick at one point was the black eye of the NFL. But of we look at numbers Brady hands down.

  102. diamondduq, do u think the mvp should go to brady bcuz his backup is worse? is that the criteria they’re using?

    when u look at the stats, it’s not clear. in fact, vick is scoring 2.55 tds/game, and accounting for 306 yds/game. brady 2.27 tds/game and 250 yds/game. also, vick essentially missed 4 whole games, and might end up accounting for more offense for than brady. lastly, the only thing that makes this a notable season for brady is the interception ratio (he broke bernie kosar’s record of passes without an interception…wow) and he won’t reach 4000 yards this season. that’s called a good season, not an mvp season…sorry

  103. Most Valuable Player……

    Am i the only one that has noticed that the Pats are playing a spread offense that is based on YAC? Brady has thrown safe passes the entire season and those NOBODY receivers have made things happen after the catch. ( Kinda like Montana)

    I am an Eagles Fan (moniker should have tipped you off) But, I am also a FAN OF FOOTBALL. If you want to see which of these 2 players is better put them in each others shoes.

    If Brady played for the Eagles I would say the Eagles would have won Extra win. He would have beaten the Redskins the 1st but lost to the Giants both times. He would have beaten the Titans but lost to the Cowboys. Offensive line.

    If Vick were with the Pats they would be undefeated. The 25 sacks Brady has would be at the most 15 sacks. The Browns and Jets would have been lost trying to defend Vick instead of Brady. Just in case you throw the Bears loss out there. Avant, Jackson, and Celek dropped TD passes in that game. Add those 12 points and see what the score is.

    Vick is the Most Valuable Player THIS SEASON.

  104. “And what’s this non-sense “Vick is more valuable to his team but Brady is the better QB” crap people keep trying to peddle? The Eagles beat the #1 seed in the NFC with Kevin Kolb, not Michael Vick!”

    And the Patriots lost to the Browns with Brady at QB. So what’s your point?

  105. iggles20 says:
    Dec 28, 2010 3:14 PM
    Why is it racial for a black player to support Vick as MVP, but white America can support Brady and it’s the right way to go? If Vick weren’t a legit candidate, he wouldn’t even be in the conversation.

    Its not racial. It’s called a difference of opinion.
    =======================
    Excellent point! But I don’t think it’s totally racial. It’s also based on the fact that Vick is a felon & people won’t forget that.

    Now, if I had my way Julius Peppers would be MVP. Hell…look how he’s made the Bears relevant this year!! Not an easy task. LOL

  106. Cassell went 11-5 because he knew NE’s SYSTEM, and that’s all Brady will ever be — a SYSTEM QB.

    All the Pats fans on here (the only people drooling and falling all over themselves to express their bias) remember all to well that Brady used to throw for 150 yards and a TD a game for about 8 straight years.

    ACT analogy:

    Patriots Fans* : Tom Brady :: Chinese People : Yao Ming

    * – AND I MEAN SAW-TOOTHED ‘WRITER’ PETER KING.

  107. Again, this is easy.

    Vick = NFL MVP.

    Put Vick on the Patriots, he would be tearing it up, with no need to run.

    Brady on the Eagles, and he looks like Kevin Kolb.

    Vick’s been in this system for two years. Brady forever.

    All day to throw for Brady, versus 1.5 seconds for Vick.

    The Patriots defense is better than Philly’s.

    This decision is easy – Vick is the MVP, by definition, the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league, in relation to his TEAM.

  108. “…It is not like we are choosing between Ghandi and Hitler.”

    ==================================

    My German shepherd respectfully disagrees.

  109. The only award anyone in NE cares about is the Lombardi…give the MVP award to Vick. It will be forgotten about in another year anyway.

    Some other fluff story will come out.

  110. lol tiffpatseva, NE won’t even make it to the SB. better hope brady gets that MVP he doesn’t care about (oh sure), bcuz that’s the only trophies those boys are gonna be hoisting this year…

  111. I hate Crowder, please release this big mouth. He is like Joey Porter talks more than he produces. Why can’t any other position win this award? I don’t like Tom Brady, I am a Dolphins fan but I must say Vick has much better weapons.

  112. gregjennings, did u play on any of those teams? i think u were elementary school the last time the pats or packers won anything. also, “your” team has less of a chance than the pats of sniffing dallas. beat the bears this week, tho, so eagles can get host the nfc championship game. got it?

  113. I don’t like either one of these guys, but if the award is truly for Most Valuable Player, Brady wins it hands down. He has phenomenal numbers in almost every qb category (ok, dude can’t run, but he hasn’t needed to, has he?), he doesn’t make mistakes, and he has played all the games.

    Vick wins only if it’s a popularity contest, or a “comeback story” contest, which it very well end up being in the end. Yes, he’s talented, too, and his numbers have been pretty good – but NOT MVP numbers. Plus, he hasn’t played over a quarter of the season.

    I have no faith in the voters getting it right, so Vick will probably end up winning it.

  114. Brady hasn’t thrown an interception in 10 games. Meanwhile, Vick got taken out for 3 games trying to recklessly run it into the endzone. Vick has the best receiver in football while Brady saw his best receiver get traded early in the season. It really isn’t a conversation. Brady has better numbers and has played in more games. Vick is more dynamic and fun to watch but not the MVP this year. Sorry.

  115. btw, can tom brady even throw the ball more than 20 yards. i’ve watched 3 pats game this year and noticed that a large majority of his passes travel less than 10 yards. so how many interceptions should we expect a checkdown-throwing qb to throw? less than 5 a season seems reasonable…

  116. patriot defender, he broke bernie kosar’s record. that tells you how significant it isn’t. brady throws dink and dunk passes, and his receivers make his yards. vick 8.6 yds/attempt, brady 7.9 yds/attempt. vick 306 yds/game, brady 25o yrds/game. vick 2.55 tds/game, brady 2.26 tds/game. vick 8-1 as starter, vick .875 winning %, brady .847 winning %….shall i go on?

  117. “Because it’s Brady/Manning” is quickly surpassing“It’s because of the economy” as the worst excuse out there!

    He should’ve combined “because it’s brady” with”because Vick is black” for double the doucheness.

  118. I think it’s funny how Joe Montana, the Greatest QB of All Time, was foolishly called a “system QB” when he played. Now folks mistakingly say it about Brady. It’s scary how little people know about football.

  119. Man! That is a lot of posts. Conclusions:

    Obviously this is a 2-QB race (as usual).
    Vick is the feel-good story (unless you are one of his pooches), but Brady is the NFL’s golden boy.

    Vick runs like a thief from the cops and throws the long bombs (but has guys to throw to). Brady dinks and dunks, mainly to tight ends, and his guys get his yards for him for the most part.

    Cramming Chowder is an imbecile who nobody should listen to under any circumstances. If Ray Lewis or James Harrison wants to give his opinion, I’ll listen.
    It is obvious who the MVP should be: Whogivesash*t.

  120. who called brady a “system qb”? he’s now a qb who relegated to checkdown passes to guys who can catch the ball and pick up yards after the catch. that makes him a good nfl qb, as long as he doesn’t have to throw the ball more than 10 yards. and, he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as joe montana…

  121. All of Vicks stats are inflated from that fluke Redskins blowout. Brady has beaten almost every legit team there is and all of the best defenses in the league. Vick has beaten up on scrubs.

  122. I have one thing to say
    If you had vicks criminal record would you have your job today?

    Now I know in Philthy the answer would be what is a job
    But lets get past that would a bank teller be working would a warehouse manager have his job
    Could you work at Costco?

    answer to all of the above NO

    So Vick because he can toss a ball and run fast got a pass on being a scum bag.

    BTW he learned to scramble out running the cops in the hood

  123. Vick is laughing at all you vick lovers. He just defended what he did by saying he didnt know that it was wrong to do…. ( for those that dont know, his dog fighting operation was buried in the woods with the buildings painted black)
    Yeah he didnt know…. He hasnt learned a thing in prison. The eagles are pathetic for keeping this trash.

  124. hobartbaker says:
    Dec 28, 2010 2:52 PM
    Just because Tom Brady looks a lot like all the old photographs of Jesus, and Mike Vick looks like a few of the old photographs of The Other Guy, I don’t think that should factor into the final decision.

    I think you meant the devil (well played) but I thought of Chris Rock in Dogma, lol. Prolly a little racist but not meant to be.


    eepobee says:
    Dec 28, 2010 5:41 PM
    gregjennings, did u play on any of those teams? i think u were elementary school the last time the pats or packers won anything. also, “your” team has less of a chance than the pats of sniffing dallas. beat the bears this week, tho, so eagles can get host the nfc championship game. got it?

    @ eepobee
    I think YOU were “an” elementary school! Seriously tho that would put him in High School.
    Come on dude, quit hating. It’d be a GREAT rematch either PHI-NE or GB-NE. I think a PHI-NE Superbowl this year would be one of the best ever.

    @tiffpats4eva
    Missed the Sheppard show today, will check out the podcast, thanks again.


    I tend to go with Vick winning MVP because he’s more of a game changer this year, while I think a large part of Brady’s success has to do with the Pats D getting the ball back whenever it matters and then some. Still incredible though, even if half the dropped picks were caught it’d be close to 40-8 TD-INT which is so destructive to the opponents.

  125. Okay first Vick cannot read a defense, he could not recognize cover two to save his life. Second, Brady’s O-line is overrated, he has been sacked 25 times, that is more than Manning and Brees. Third Brady is 6th in plays over 20 yards. 4th if Vick could read a defense and be able to identify the blitz, he could check down and not spend so much time on his back. Lastly, the yards after catch is a a function of Brady finding the mismatch, ie Woodhead being covered by Devito in the Jets game. Also, check the Jackson;s, McCoy’s, Maclin’s and Celek yac. Brady is not the best athlete, but he is one of the best students of the game there is, Peyton maybe better.

    Just imagine if Vick could read a defense, there would be no argument for MVP.

  126. Any of you vick idiots watching the game tonight? OK this conversation is done. vick is single handedly sucking tonight, missing throws, multiple fumbles, could have been picked a few times.
    Yeah he is being pressured, but look at games tom brady has been pressured. He gets rid of the ball. Vick doesnt know how to do that, only knows how to look at the guys coming at him and try to elude them. He cant stand in the pocket and take a hit and deliver a perfect ball.

    Whats next? Tommy didnt have to play on a postponed game on a tuesday. All of you shutty that think Vick should be the MVP.
    And if it came down to it, who would you want on your team? If you want to win and you say vick, then you are an idiot and dont know football.

    Vicks good but Tommys better and no one from beginning to end has been better this season. Maybe for a week or 2, but other than 1 stinker(cleveland) and 1/2 stinker(2nd half of jets) hes been phenominal.
    I sound like an ass yes, but im just tired of reading some of the stuff that is said here, trying to prove the point that yes vick is the number 2 for mvp, but its not as close as some think.

    I ❤ Tommy

  127. Crowder, clearly you don’t know what your talking about. He could not beat a team that didn’t make the playoffs. Did Obama call Webb and congratulate him? This Vick thing is a joke. He has won nothing. Not even in the same world as Brady, Manning, and Brees. Rivers and Vick should not be in the same sentence. Period.

  128. The MVP debate ended tonight. Sorry kids, Vick just got outperformed by Joe Webb at home tonight. The 3 turnovers were huge, one led to a Viking TD on the play.

    Game, set, match. Tom Brady, multiple MVP winner and the best QB in the NFL.

  129. i guess we can stop the ridiculous “vick for mvp” talk now. and for those that refer to Brady as a “dink and dunk” passer, just what is that anyway? he is 1 yd behind vick per attempt, equal to manning in yds / attempt… the Pats offense is the most complicated in the league, based on timing routes…. what else does Brady have to do other than get traded to your team?

  130. To the posters saying “oh, the Pats won with Cassel in ’08, so Brady’s not that valuable”:

    First off, the Pats missed the playoffs that season.

    Second, the Pats played the AFC West and NFC west that year, so with the easy schedule, they made it to 11-5 despite not having Brady. That’s why they missed the playoffs (all of the AFC East had inflated records that season). If Brady’s on that team, they probably go 14-2 or 15-1. Compare the ’08 schedule to the ’10 schedule (which is unbelievable). The ’09 team was just… odd on the road and awful in the secondary.

    Third off, didn’t the Eagles make the playoffs last year with the current Redskins backup QB? They’re not chopped liver. The Pats do have a better offensive line, better coach, and probably front 7 (it’s close) but to say the Eagles have a worse defense then the Pats is debatable. The Pats get a lot of turnovers, but look at the yardage totals and third down stats. Brady knows going into every game he needs to put up 3 TD’s against good competition, just like Vick.

  131. I don’t even think it’s a close race. Brady has 13 more TD’s – yeah i know he played in three more games. But the way I judge MVP’s is what would happen if the player goes down. Well, the Eagles would survive with Kolb. The Patriots, would not be the team they are now without Brady.

  132. I personally don’t respect either Vick or Brady. One kills defenseless animals for pleasure, the other leaves his pregnant girlfriend for a super model. Can’t stand either of them.

    On the field, Vick is really fast and has learned a lot and has become a complete QB. He did not impress me at all when he stated he thought he should win the MVP. Shades of Kordell, it reveals that he has not become all that humble at all. I can’t imagine Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees, or Roethlisberger stating that they should be the MVP. I do hope he has changed at least to the better in terms of the dog thing.

    However, Brady is one of the best in NFL history and has been blessed with a great coaching mind that has helped Brady achieve his optimum value.

    Brady is MVP.

  133. a SYSTEM QB.

    __________________________

    Dumbass. Every QB is a system QB. That said, this system changed the week before the Baltimore game back to the 2003 model. Yes, new playbook mid-season. Only one guy knew it other than Brady-Branch. Those two got the rest of the crew up to speed pretty quickly. Name another QB that can do that and be completely dominant?

    As for MVP. This discussion ended last night. With playoff implications on the line, Vick lost.
    Number one seed on the line? Brady wins.

    As for 2008 and Cassel, his is a pro-bowler this year (well, should be) not exactly your basic backup. Not everyone can run this ‘system’. Remember that big goofy number 11 franchise QB that was here in 2000-2001? Bledsoe had no clue how to run this system. The 100 million dollar man lost his job to the 6th round pick.

    Weapons? Whatever. The Classic argument with the Pats discussion. What It comes down to is it does not matter where a person is drafted, and everything about the intangibles. When you have WR’s like Troy Brown, Branch, Welker and the others in the past that will give up the body and buy into that they could be the guy every play, you win. You do not need a Moss, or Jackson for this offense.

  134. Vick has missed too many games. The Eagles have played a much easier schedule than the Pats. Brady is playing with a bunch of rookies and no names at the skill positions. Brady leads the league (the league!) in almost every QB stat that matters… pts scored, passing TD’s, TD/Int ratio, WINS… and even threw in the longest EVER string of passes without an INT, and he’s still going. This, in year two after having his knee all busted up.

    Vick, awesome athlete, more exciting than Brady, obviously better running it… but Brady is the 2010 MVP on merit, not on “golden boy” B.S.

    And, should we really be surprised that another knucklehead defensive player from the AFC who has suffered many beat-downs at the hands of the Pats, and is about to play them this week, doesn’t like Brady?

    MVP = Brady

  135. I have to disagree with all the posts for Vick as MVP. Commish Goodell is doing all he can to improve the reputation of the NFL and he has no sympathy for those arrested for things ranging from DWI to public drunkeness. If the players are supposed to hold themselves to a higher standard, then surely, serving time is grounds for immediate withdrawl from the MVP race. I don’t care how much he redeems himself now…there are plenty of quality players in the NFL who never served time that qualify for MVP over Michael Vick.

  136. We should care what Channing Crowder says why? Because he’s willfully ignorant? Just how many DPOYs, MVPs & Super Bowl rings has he won? That’s right. None. Stupid Crowder.

  137. Those who want to hold Michael Vick’s rushing stats in his favor should also mention the fact that he’s fumbled 11 times this year. Brady, 3 times.

    But whatever. The debate is moot after the Vikes game anyway.

  138. Channing,
    Just looked at stats for this year.
    Try showing up on the field instead of the press conference.
    You and the Dolphins opinion are irrelevant.
    Now let’s go get a god damn snack!

  139. Set aside the fact that Tom Brady has 3 rings. He has now ascended to a level of play that defies description. Michael Vick is undeniably talented and exciting to watch. It would settle the debate for folks if Philly joins the Pats in Dallas. I have every confidence that Brady and Co. will be there. This Patriots team, filled with youngsters and castoffs, is hitting on all cylinders. Tom Brady gets short shrift in some circles, but history will record him as the greatest QB ever to play in the modern day NFL. I’ve been critical of him at times. At present, he is as perfect a QB as is humanly possible. He, and his team are terror incarnate. He will lead them to a 4th SB title this year. Still, haters will be haters.

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