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Roethlisberger now a Pittsburgh media favorite

Ben Roethlisberger

Much of the backlash against Ben Roethlisberger following his sexual assault allegations had little to do with his troubling behavior towards women.

Stories floated around of Roethlisberger simply being a jerk: To fans, to waitresses, to women, to men, to fellow players, and to the media.  (Many of these stories were published; many weren’t.  His reputation was in place well before the investigation in Georgia.)

When Roethlisberger returned to the Steelers, he promised a different approach.  And it appears he has mended fences with one subset of people he may have previously offended: The Pittsburgh media.

On Wednesday, the Pro Football Writers chapter in Pittsburgh gave Roethlisberger “The Chief Award.”  The award is given annually to someone in the Steelers organization that exemplified “the spirit of cooperation” with the media shown by franchise founder Art Rooney.  Roethlisberger is the first quarterback to win the award.

Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette noted the accomplishment in an article titled: “Roethlisberger a changed man.”
“I said I need to be more cooperative with people, be a better person,” Roethlisberger said. “As much as people like to joke, you [in the media] are people. And we treat you guys that way. It’s just a change I wanted to make in my life and it’s towards you guys as well.”
Real change is lasting, so it will be interesting to watch Roethlisberger over the next few years.  For now, those who cover Roethlisberger the closest  wanted to show their appreciation for the changes he’s made.
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  1. slickzmoney says: Dec 30, 2010 5:14 PM

    A turd on his best behavior is still a turd.

  2. aaronrodgerschokes says: Dec 30, 2010 5:21 PM

    Big Ben agreed to stop trying to #### reporters, if they would give him an award.

  3. bodybaggame says: Dec 30, 2010 5:29 PM

    Changed man….Like a diaper or a tampon…..All fresh

  4. richm2256 says: Dec 30, 2010 5:44 PM

    A leopard can’t change his spots. Roethlisberger has a well-earned reputation for being a douche, and sooner or later, he’ll resume that behavior. This has just been a well-calculated PR thing, just like another all-pro douche, Mike Vick.

  5. contract says: Dec 30, 2010 5:57 PM

    “Much of the backlash against Ben Roethlisberger following his sexual assault allegations had little to do with his troubling behavior towards women.”

    All of the backlash had to do with the media trying to destroy him because he wasn’t dancing to their tune. Now he is, so he’s a great guy.

    He should have told the to cram the “award”.

  6. importantpftcomment says: Dec 30, 2010 6:15 PM

    The off season will tell the true tale as to if Roethlisberger has changed his ways or not.

    My money says by April he will be in trouble once again!

  7. connie73 says: Dec 30, 2010 6:22 PM

    Stop the world I want to get off. First I want to tell all of you I am from Pgh. The media has kissed this mans a– all year. They think he is MR.WONDERFUL. He is a scum bag and always will be. Just because he puts on a Steeler jersey and wins games they can turn their heads on what he did.He makes me sick when I look at him. I thought they were going to give him the MVP but it went to troy.I have emailed every reporter in Pgh to tell them that Ben is
    WHITE TRASH WITH MONEY
    And he will do it again when the season is over.

  8. melikefootball says: Dec 30, 2010 6:31 PM

    At least he didn’t get caught sending pictures of his privates with just 50k fine. Odd what is chosen by the league and fans to be out of bounds. A young stupid kid or a husband, father grandfather.

  9. Deb says: Dec 30, 2010 6:34 PM

    The guy behaved like a jackass, but an abundance of evidence in Nevada and Georgia made clear he didn’t assault anyone. Being falsely accused of rape is a big price to pay for being a jerk. If it’s helped him mature, then at least something positive has come out of it. Unfortunately, the damage done to real victims and their cases by these women won’t go away just become Roethlisberger becomes a better person. But maybe they’ll have their own karmic reckoning in time.

  10. Deb says: Dec 30, 2010 6:43 PM

    @unimportant …

    Now that Ben is trying to be more polite, I’m sure if you visit Pittsburgh, you can get his autograph. You might want to refrain from calling him “Benji” though. It’s a sweet nickname, but it does give away your feminine crush. Not everyone is as open-minded as I am about people who are … different. :)

  11. bigbear12 says: Dec 30, 2010 6:45 PM

    If Steelers were 7-9 it would be a much different story.

  12. ttommytom says: Dec 30, 2010 6:46 PM

    Once a Richard Hayed always a Richard Hayed.

  13. frankvzappa says: Dec 30, 2010 6:53 PM

    the same fascist media that is looking the other way while insidious fascism overtakes Amerika and destroys it from the inside? sounds like a match made in heaven…

  14. halftermguv says: Dec 30, 2010 6:54 PM

    So a person can’t change? In that case George W Bush is still a AWOL alcoholic and Michael Vick is still killing dogs.

    @connie – talk about the kettle calling the pot black…I’d call you white trash but that would be an insult to white trash.

  15. ravenfan820 says: Dec 30, 2010 6:57 PM

    so the same reporters that wanted to run him out of town earlier this year, pronouonce him a changed man? Only in squealer nation, the funniest show around

  16. bodybaggame says: Dec 30, 2010 7:06 PM

    @bigbear12
    —————————–
    and that’s the truth……..

  17. juststeel says: Dec 30, 2010 7:20 PM

    Sweet sweet Connie, relax .

  18. scampbell1975 says: Dec 30, 2010 7:37 PM

    melikefootball says:
    Dec 30, 2010 6:31 PM
    At least he didn’t get caught sending pictures of his privates with just 50k fine. Odd what is chosen by the league and fans to be out of bounds. A young stupid kid or a husband, father grandfather.

    ————————————————-

    Yea, he just raped a girl and got a 4 game suspension. That’s better.

  19. hobartbaker says: Dec 30, 2010 7:39 PM

    Ben should be a media favorite. He wrote all their stories for a three month period this year. Man Of The Year, I’d say.

  20. abninf says: Dec 30, 2010 7:42 PM

    “As much as people like to joke, you [in the media] are people. And we treat you guys that way. It’s just a change I wanted to make in my life and it’s towards you guys as well.”
    —————————————–

    I can understand him wanting to kiss up to the media so he’ll get better press, but he needed to wipe off his chin after that one.

  21. gypjet says: Dec 30, 2010 7:42 PM

    Rapists can’t work at schools forever, and Big Ben Hur should be out of football forever. I am sick of his fans saying “He was not convicted” or “There is no evidence”. BS. At least two different women in two different states make it a pattern. Those are just the two we know about. If Ben had a minimum wage job, he would be in prison right now, period. And if your little girl claims some guy date-raped her, are you going to tell her, “Hey, the guy was not convicted, get over it.”?

  22. cornellsteelers says: Dec 30, 2010 8:07 PM

    Slowly but surely, the paradigm that the irresponsible media and their spoonfed lemmings worked so hard to create is crumbling before their eyes. Looks like they’ll have to find something else to latch on to.

  23. johnnyballsack says: Dec 30, 2010 8:12 PM

    halftermguv says:
    Dec 30, 2010 6:54 PM
    So a person can’t change? In that case George W Bush is still a AWOL alcoholic and Michael Vick is still killing dogs.
    ———————————————–
    I am not a big supporter of GW but there is a huge difference in being an alcoholic vs. a rapist or dog murderer. I am certain that if Vick wasn’t caught he would still be killing dogs and having his posse deal drugs out of his house.

  24. geezohman says: Dec 30, 2010 8:17 PM

    gee… i’m an old fart… AND

    I seem to remember another QB on the Jets, declaring a victory, and I thought… claiming getting laid before a game etc etc…

    I studied the Police report, the ‘lady’ in Georgia ‘followed’ him bar to bar. She was in a Sorority (party) earlier with sexual contenations on her clothing (which Ben asked her about)… (funny way to flirt for a woman these days). ..
    NO evidence from the hospital of ‘RAPE’, must have been a hand job and fingering…
    Oh.. did I mention HER underage drivers license was confiscated a month earlier for trying to drink. ahhh.. BEN is single… not like Brett or Tiger…

    ALL I trying to state is: It takes TWO to tango…
    She disagree ‘half way’ into it and ‘they’ stopped, she left. Obviously drunk but none the less wiser.

    NOW: Did the college sorority lose their charter for condone underage drinking?

    I know if it were my daughter, I would have ‘pulled’ her a ss out of college. Notice no hospital evidence of RAPE and no criminal charge.

    the other ‘lady’ in Nevada? just a Gold Digger who according to another staff worker, bragged about having BENs baby afterward ! No rape nor hospital etc.

    JUST A GOLD DIGGER.

    BUT: should he be a ‘better’ character? sure… is he still acting like a college football MALE.. oh yeah… has he learned anything… NO DOUBT

    and for RAVENFAN, ha…. I seem to remember RAVENS getting their butt kicked two years on our way to the Super Bowl…

    uhh… yeah.. 2 Super Bowls in 5 years…

  25. johnnyballsack says: Dec 30, 2010 8:26 PM

    The NFL, teams and football writers should just stop giving out awards. It is a f-ing joke that Ben gets the “Chief” award, Vick and Stallworth get “Ed Block Courage” awards. Hell, lets all find an award for OJ Simpson, he hasn’t killed anyone or held them hostage in over a year.

    I am sure Ed Block is turning over in his grave. I am surprised that his family has not asked to have his name taken off of the awards given to Stallworth and Vick. The only trait that Ed Block shared with Vick is that they both had jobs in the NFL. For Ben to get an award named after Art Rooney is laughable as well.

  26. SteelTown6 says: Dec 30, 2010 8:44 PM

    richm2256 says: Dec 30, 2010 5:44 PM

    “A leopard can’t change his spots. Roethlisberger has a well-earned reputation for being a douche,”

    You should know.

  27. xcerebus1 says: Dec 30, 2010 8:55 PM

    and yet….no call from Obama extolling the virtues of the Steelers not giving up on Roethlisberger……odd

  28. bravin4evr says: Dec 30, 2010 9:04 PM

    the media says he has changed his attitude towards them. we haven’t heard from the waitresses, fans, men, women or teamates that he deals with on a regular basis…….. it’s just amazing how it’s said that Ben can change, but these very same people will say that Vick can’t change!

  29. dirtdawg55 says: Dec 30, 2010 9:22 PM

    May as well call it the “most willing to suck up to the media” award.

    Its the same damn reporters who wanted him gone at the beginning of the year, largely because he was rude to them. Oh my! A star being rude? In this day and age? What? He doesn’t kiss your ass like Brady and Manning do? Well heavens Daisy Mae, that’s grounds for execution. Or so Tucker Carlson says.

    So now he is being nice and kissing media ass and the media is reciprocating in kind. The reward? He can now behave like a total douche bag (again) for long periods of time until he is no longer wanted in the game. Oh wait. Sorry. I was talking about Favre there for a minute. Never mind.

  30. johntonioholmes says: Dec 30, 2010 9:23 PM

    @ravenfan820

    The Baltimore–the whole media for that matter–media loves Ray Lewis even though he murdered two people. I suppose that only happens in Baltimore.

  31. Jack Burton says: Dec 30, 2010 9:36 PM

    @halftermguv

    LOL, post of the day.

  32. ampatsisahypocrite says: Dec 30, 2010 9:43 PM

    A New York weather woman named Heidi Jones recently was discovered to have filed a false rape charge (Deb you might be interested in this case). But hey, women NEVER make stuff up right?

    Keep that in mind all you morons who’ve convicted him in the Court of Haters and Internet Stooges.

  33. ampatsisahypocrite says: Dec 30, 2010 9:45 PM

    ravenfan820 says:
    Dec 30, 2010 6:57 PM
    so the same reporters that wanted to run him out of town earlier this year, pronouonce him a changed man? Only in squealer nation, the funniest show around
    ————————————

    So says the same genius who screamed and whined when the Baltimore media knocked Ray Lewis around.

  34. blitzburghgator says: Dec 30, 2010 9:46 PM

    “Deb says:
    Dec 30, 2010 6:34 PM
    The guy behaved like a jackass, but an abundance of evidence in Nevada and Georgia made clear he didn’t assault anyone. Being falsely accused of rape is a big price to pay for being a jerk. If it’s helped him mature, then at least something positive has come out of it. Unfortunately, the damage done to real victims and their cases by these women won’t go away just become Roethlisberger becomes a better person. But maybe they’ll have their own karmic reckoning in time.”

    ———————-

    Great post Deb.

  35. nesuperfan says: Dec 30, 2010 10:02 PM

    Roethlisberger now a Pittsburgh media favorite
    ________________________________
    Especially on those late-night commercials with the hot chicks.

    “I’m Big, emphasis on BIG, Ben Roethlisberger, and when I’m looking for companionship, I call 1-800-Date-Rape…You should too.”

  36. Deb says: Dec 30, 2010 10:07 PM

    @blitzburghgator …

    Thanks

    @gypjet …

    There is evidence–and plenty of it. In Nevada, there are text messages from Andrea McNulty to her friends the day after her one-night stand with Roethlisberger saying that she can’t wait to see him again. Those text messages have been filed with the court. There is a statement from the local police saying that to this day she has never reported a sexual assault of any kind and there’s no evidence any sexual assault occurred. She simply waited a year after their one-night stand, claimed she was raped when there was no physical evidence whatsoever to support her, and sued for $3 million. And there are affidavits from her coworkers that she obsessed over Roethlisberger for a year. She didn’t file the suit until her bosses asked her to take paid leave when he was scheduled to come back to the hotel because they were concerned about her stalking a celebrity guest.

    As for Milledgeville, there are witness statements from people at up to three clubs who said the accuser followed Roethlisberger all night, pinching his butt and climbing over his entourage in an effort to get close to him. There are witnesses from CapCity who said she engaged him in graphic sexual dialog and invited him back to a private party at her place and that she TOLD him she was “down to f***.” And there is a medical exam and report from the state crime lab showing that she could not possibly have had sexual intercourse with Ben Roethlisberger or anyone else in the nightclub that evening. That is why the prosecutor said he could not prove any activity was against her will or that there was any penetration.

    You are a typical ignorant jackass who doesn’t bother to read the case evidence, but hears a few salacious headlines and decides a guy is guilty. As a rape survivor, I’d want to see Roethlisberger fried if he did it no matter who he played for. But since he didn’t do it, I’d like to see the women pay for the damage they’ve done to real victims with their lies and cheap theatrics. And I’d like to see idiots like you horsewhipped just for being idiots who, in their stupidity, wind up being the predator’s best friend. Because of nuts like you, the national sex registry is clogged with all kinds of people who don’t belong there and real predators slip through the cracks every day. Tell that to the family of the next kid who is raped and murdered.

  37. blitzburg10 says: Dec 30, 2010 10:09 PM

    Trust me, if the Pittsburgh football media gave this guy an award,he has earned it…As a lifelong Pittsburgh resident following the Steelers, that media is not easy to please..They are spoiled by the team’s long lasting success and accomplishments…

    When Ben was in a mess a few months back they dug up and scratched every surface possible to find someone who had a negative experience with Ben,either real or just manufactured…

    This is the same media that belittled that other QB who won them them 4 superbowls,and just added to the assinine misconception that the guy was dumb,all because he was a country boy with spoke with a southern accent…Took him 4 Lombardies and 2 super bowl mvps to get off his ass.

    I have people in my own family that I once thought were despicable,but one day the light turned on and they changed…People can, and do change,even sometimes for the better….For all these “self righteous perfect people”…give it a break!! Time will tell if this guy has really transformed into a better human being,until then , at least we can say he’s making an effort

  38. SteelTown6 says: Dec 30, 2010 10:19 PM

    richm2256 says: Dec 30, 2010 5:44 PM

    “A leopard can’t change his spots. Roethlisberger has a well-earned reputation for being a douche,”

    You should know.

  39. pigspigspigspigs says: Dec 30, 2010 10:49 PM

    Everyone says what would you do if it was your daughter. Why isnt the question ever asked what would you do if it was your son? He picked up some drunk s lut at a bar and treated her how she deserved to be treated. A DTF sticker on her shirt and following him around like a puppy hmmmmmmmmmmmmm wouldnt you want your son to have a fair trial in this situation? ya his morals and maturity are in question but rape? sorry but no chance

    and raves fans are just mad because big ben is a ravens killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    whammy!!!

    and connie the jail population is millions of people not to mention the people out of jail so should we assume that all of these people are terrible and have no chance to change and should be treated like bottom of the barrel garbage?

  40. goldsteel says: Dec 30, 2010 10:58 PM

    geezohman says:
    Dec 30, 2010 8:17 PM
    gee… i’m an old fart… AND

    Well stated!
    ————————————————–
    Congratulations to Ben. He is making positive steps in his life. It is unfortunate that it had to happen under these circumstances. Ben keep punchin’.

  41. holeinone09 says: Dec 30, 2010 11:02 PM

    So far from ALL legitimate reports, Ben seems to be doing more than what was required to behave. Believe me, with what many sports reporters had to say negative about Ben over this matter, for them to give him this award speaks volumes. Many of us thought Ben would work hard to make positive changes, as a young guy that made mistakes and behaved like a moron at times. That ones that didn’t think he would change never will. Who cares? Most of them are just upset that Ben is still playing with the Steelers and not for their team, no doubt.

    No. 7 working on Super Bowl trophy no. 7.

    And apparently that really ticks off connie and richm, so funny!!

    GO STEELERS!!

  42. importantpftcomment says: Dec 30, 2010 11:10 PM

    @Deb

    Read this bout your boy Benji and educate yourself. Once again, you have been proven WRONG!!!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5078589

    Hopefully this shuts you up for awhile, but somehow I doubt it! Maybe this will teach you to listen to others, and not to constantly berate others that are easily able to prove what you say is incorrect.

    Sad that it was once said that this site would no longer put up with the conduct you have demonstrated toward me and others the past few weeks….must be nice to have an “in” with the big shots!

  43. gypjet says: Dec 30, 2010 11:15 PM

    I just love all the armchair lawyers. Face it, your stupid QB is one lucky payoff away from being in prison. You should want better than that for your favorite team, but instead, you are willing to accept terrible judgment, bad ethics, poor morals, and criminal activity as okay as long as your team is good. America’s finest right there, you stupid redneck Obama voters.

  44. johnnyballsack says: Dec 30, 2010 11:38 PM

    bravin4evr says:
    Dec 30, 2010 9:04 PM
    the media says he has changed his attitude towards them. we haven’t heard from the waitresses, fans, men, women or teamates that he deals with on a regular basis…….. it’s just amazing how it’s said that Ben can change, but these very same people will say that Vick can’t change!
    —————————————-
    Agree with you bravin4evr. It is one and the same for Vick and Ben. Ben has changed by not “raping” a woman for almost a full 10 months (that we know about), and is considered a great man because he hasn’t. Vick gets praise from the media, the President and the league- for not being involved in killing anything for almost 6 months. They are both first class scumbags.

    The NFL and the Commissioner showed their allegience with the Sterger- Favre case. They will support whoever will financially benefit them the most. It is good for NFL, ratings and jersey sales to promote Vick, Favre and Ben when they are winning games and marketable. When that goes south they are more apt to punish. Favre can’t play anymore, they fine him. But will not suspend due to future marketing. Hypocrisy like in a lot of businesses.

  45. johnnyballsack says: Dec 30, 2010 11:40 PM

    When Ben, Vick and Favre are no longer making money for the NFL they will no longer be protected. They will go the way of OJ and pursue their true calling- JAIL TIME!

  46. CKL says: Dec 31, 2010 12:04 AM

    #
    blitzburg10 says: Dec 30, 2010 10:09 PM

    Time will tell if this guy has really transformed into a better human being,until then , at least we can say he’s making an effort
    ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
    I hate BR(and I don’t think he raped anyone) but this above comment is the truth.
    Also, why is anyone picking on the fact that since he is more cooperative…he has gotten an award for being…the most cooperative. Isn’t that the point of the award???

  47. heeeeelzfan says: Dec 31, 2010 12:29 AM

    Winning heals all wounds.

  48. juststeel says: Dec 31, 2010 12:37 AM

    Ben, if you need a piece of tail just buy it.

  49. truefan2 says: Dec 31, 2010 12:44 AM

    Hey “halftermguv” DUMBASS..
    Your comments are idiotic.

    Just for your info.. G.W. never WAS “AWOL”.. OK?

    In case you were watching cartoons instead of the news, the memo was FAKED and not true. He fulfilled all his National Guard duties, and the result of your fellow MSM idiots spreading this lie by not checking their sources and wanting to derail the election was that the newscaster and his producer were fired.

    Get your facts straight before you TRY to make a stupid analogy.

  50. joetoronto says: Dec 31, 2010 6:01 AM

    “During the past few weeks, I have met with Ben on a number of occasions, not only to discuss this incident, but also to discuss his commitment to making sure this never happens again,” Rooney said in a statement.

    Make sure WHAT never happens again?

  51. mswravens says: Dec 31, 2010 8:37 AM

    Having seen firsthand how Ray Lewis transformed himself (and those who continue to call him a murderer are either obsessed with trying to rile others up or hopelessly stupid), I am happy to see Ben taking positive steps towards changing his life as well. I agree that time will be the true test…I also believe that while both Ray and Ben were guilty of being jerks…Ben was guilty of far worse behavior than that & has more for which he has to atone.

    @Deb – every time I read one of your Ben posts I think to myself that you are practicing the philosophy that if you say it enough, it will become truth. But then I realize that you truly believe in the man’s innocence. I respect your passion, but will forever disagree with you about Ben…and while I also agree that false claims of rape can damage the claims of true victims, nothing harms victims more than when a whole group of men, a whole team of men, a whole organization, and then a whole city crap on the woman who claims assault. If I understood your post correctly, you are a victim of rape, and for that I am profoundly sorry for you. I thankfully cannot feel or understand the pain that entails. But I do recall an incident in college where a young woman visiting her sister alleged she was raped in a closet by our college’s QB. The team rallied around this guy. I don’t know enough to know whether he was guilty or not…but I do recall thinking that having sex with an underage drunk girl in a closet while a party was going on outside doesn’t lend itself to much benefit of the doubt. The sister who went to my school was so harassed by the football team for daring to take on the college QB that she had to transfer. An awful situation. I don’t see much difference here. Again, I say that none of us will ever truly know what went on…but what I read in the police reports was disturbing enough for me to conclude that the guy is scum and a predator…and I really, really hope that he reforms.

    On Colt McCoy – maybe he can’t handle the weather, which would be a problem in our division. It was 13 degrees and windy…but I got to tell ya, his arm strength sucked. Others have overcome that in the proper scheme, certainly Holmgren is a disciple of those schemes…but I have to see a lot more to believe this guy can be the answer. He does seem to have great poise and leadership skills, but I think our defenses will enjoy feasting on that limp arm for as long as the Browns hang with him.

  52. ryansdirtytrailer says: Dec 31, 2010 8:58 AM

    Stay classy, Pittsburgh.

    Also, please allocate extra security to keep your rapists from acting out while they’re in our city. Thanks.

  53. bluefan204 says: Dec 31, 2010 9:06 AM

    joetoronto says: Dec 31, 2010 6:01 AM

    Make sure WHAT never happens again?

    ——

    Well, Joe……NOTHING happened. Rooney wants to make sure that nothing happens……again.

    Can ya dig? Are you pickin’ up what I’m puttin’ down?

  54. jimmy1smith says: Dec 31, 2010 9:10 AM

    “The Chief Award.” The award is given annually to someone in the Steelers organization that exemplified “the spirit of cooperation”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ben might as well get it, the co-ed in GA sure doesn’t deserve it. No, not with the rent a cop guarding the door, Ben is a real saint.

  55. joetoronto says: Dec 31, 2010 10:01 AM

    bluefan204 said 52 minutes ago:

    joetoronto says: Dec 31, 2010 6:01 AM

    Make sure WHAT never happens again?

    ——

    Well, Joe……NOTHING happened. Rooney wants to make sure that nothing happens……again.

    Can ya dig? Are you pickin’ up what I’m puttin’ down?
    ********************************************************You’re not serious, are you, that’s what you get from this?

    “During the past few weeks, I have met with Ben on a number of occasions, not only to discuss this incident, but also to discuss his commitment to making sure this never happens again,” Rooney said in a statement.

  56. dman19 says: Dec 31, 2010 10:08 AM

    Hope that ho that falsely accused him is getting jacked up by Warren Sapp..

  57. ajmowatt says: Dec 31, 2010 10:17 AM

    I don’t have first hand knowledge (much like the majority of the postings on this site) but based upon the numerous reports by local Pittsburgh bar keepers, former teammates, etc. makes it hard to believe that there isn’t some truth to the reports of what kind of guy Ben is. We won’t really know all of the details around what happened in Milledgeville that night – especially since it appears that everyone who was close to the situation were drunk – but I have to believe it was a combination of Ben being an arrogant, highly paid jerk responding to some sort of “welcome sign” of a young lady who was also drunk, and saw a chance at being with an arrogant, highly paid jerk but was unable to piece things together in the aftermath. Maybe the Pittsburgh media is trying to help boost Ben a bit to show some acknowledgement that they see that he’s trying – who knows. In general, the media sucks – they have an agenda and their credibility is at least as questionable as Ben’s in my opinion.

  58. bunkmcnulty says: Dec 31, 2010 10:17 AM

    Funny how several Pittsburgh fans point to factual and lucid arguments about why Ben did not rape anyone, yet at the same time make these ridiculous statements that Ray Lewis murdered 2 people.

    Suffice to say that both Ben and Ray are part of that group of successful young pro athletes that often make terrible decisions. As they mature and learn to handle money, fame and 24/7 scrutiny they seem to behave better. Do they become better people or do they just learn to keep things out of the public eye? I think it takes years to know the answer to this.

    As a Ravens fan, I have enough respect for the game to be objective when I say that Ben is a hell of a player. And after several years proving he has become a changed person I have no issue giving Ben a pass for his stupidity when younger.

    I believe enough time has passed that anyone could objectively say Ray has proven he has changed. There is little doubt in my mind Ray learned his lessons. Yet I have never seen a Pittsburgh fan objective enough to say such a thing.

    I understand fandom though. And there will be many that will continue to say Ray is a murderer, just as there will be Ravens fans (and others) that will call Ben a rapist. No facts. Just stupid statements. In time, maybe even these people are capable of change (but I sincerely doubt it).

  59. rockinron2 says: Dec 31, 2010 11:03 AM

    @Deb

    How can you keep saying nothing could have possibly happened in Midgeville? Here is the report:

    A doctor who examined her at a nearby emergency room discovered a cut, bruises and vaginal bleeding but could not say if she was raped. And while some DNA was found, there was not enough to determine whom it belonged to, Bright said.

    That doesn’t sound like nothing could have possibly happened. That sounds like something definitely happened but could prove it. Big difference.

  60. Deb says: Dec 31, 2010 12:01 PM

    @mswravens …

    People seem to have forgotten rape is about more than a woman getting drunk, climbing all over a guy, then crying rape. I was sober and asleep in my bed when someone I’d just met gained access to my room in the middle of the night. And I fought. The rape victims I’ve known–aged 5 to mid-80s–were victims of violence, not women declaring themselves “Down to F***.”

    If you read the police files, you didn’t read far enough. I have an advantage in that–by funky coincidence–an old friend worked that investigation. He couldn’t comment on an open case, but I’m confident now that Ben was falsely accused. For one thing, her medical exam showed she could not possibly have been raped. Multiple witnesses heard her propositioning Ben and trying to get him back to her place. And even the club owner disputed the sorority sisters’ story about the bodyguard blocking the door. That’s why the DA said he couldn’t prove penetration or that anything occurred against her will.

    Ben has been an ass and behaved like a raging egomaniac. The suspension–wrong as it was from in terms of NFL precedent–was the best thing that could have happened to him. He needed a big kick in the head. But there is a huge difference between being an ass and being a predator. As a society, we need to be mature enough to understand what a predator is. Guys who sext can end up in the national sex offender registry. So can 19-year-olds who have consensual sex with their 16-year-old girlfriends. And so can college kids who have sloppy drunk sex with consenting drunk women who later say they were too drunk to consent so that means it was rape. Since when is a drunk guy responsible for taking care of your body? Idiots on PFT are even calling Favre a predator for propositioning a woman who collects junk shots. So he should be in the registry, too?

    While Ms. DTF was, by all accounts chasing Roethlisberger from bar to bar, then falsely accusing him of rape, a registered sex offender in California was raping and murdering two teenagers. Authorities had lost track of him after his release from prison. Given how many names are clogging the registry … no wonder.

  61. mswravens says: Dec 31, 2010 12:04 PM

    @rockinron2: Thank you! That’s exactly right. We don’t know something happened, but we sure as hell don’t know that it didn’t…and the evidence that was collected was not definitive one way or the other.

    I re-read all the witness statements this morning. Sorry, but even if he didn’t rape this girl, the whole scene he was running – and yes, Ben was king of the court & running the show – was sleazy. A 28yo high profile pro athelete plying underage college girls in a small college town with alcohol in a cordoned off section of a dingy bar…then disappearing into the bathroom with one of them who was essentially falling down drunk while his bodyguards secured the area from anyone else entering, including said drunken girls friends who wanted to extract her from the situation. Sorry, no defense for this guy. He shoulda been at the Playboy mansion with a whole bunch of DTF girls who are hotter and, more importantly, of age…and of his age!

  62. ajmowatt says: Dec 31, 2010 12:24 PM

    @bunk

    I am a Steelers fan and I hear ya. Ray Lewis wasn’t convicted and none of us will really know what happened there. Did something happen? Maybe, but it’s history and the book is closed. I don’t feel sorry for these guys who are making a boatload of cash at a very young age, but it can be a bad combination (obviously) if they aren’t mature enough and able to handle it. Although there are legitimate criminals in all professional sports, I think alot of it has to do with them being with the wrong people, in the wrong place, at the wrong time that hurts their cause. As long as we all keep buying tickets and lining their pockets, none of it is going to change.

  63. Deb says: Dec 31, 2010 12:41 PM

    @rockinron2 …

    You’re quoting from a news account, not the actual report.

    The exam revealed slight vaginal bruising and a small bleeding cut–also consistent w/consensual sex, fondling, masturbation. In her condition, she could have easily scratched herself while wiping. In one of the many versions of the story she told police, she lamented that Ben just dumped her in the bathroom and left without a word. In his only brief statement to police, he said he told her she was too drunk to be back there. My opinion is that they went to the bathroom with the intention of having sex, there was consensual fondling, but they were too drunk to do the deed, so he just dumped her. (I’m not arguing that he’s a good guy–only that he didn’t rape anyone.) Multiple witnesses put her out of sight for about 10 minutes; he was alone with her for less than 10 minutes.

    Two flecks of male DNA (not semen or sperm) also were found. Since they used the PCR testing method which can amplify the most miniscule samples for identity testing but they still couldn’t increase these samples to the necessary size, they had to be unbelievably small and degraded–which means they were not recent and probably were residue following showering from an earlier sexual encounter. The DA was asked at the press conference if she’d had sex with anyone else that day. He declined to comment. No semen, sperm, pubic hair, or chemicals from a condom were found. Even withdrawal would have left enough semen/sperm for PCR testing.

    It’s impossible to have sex and not leave even a pindrop of semen or a single pubic hair, fleck of skin, etc. But none was found … which means she didn’t have intercourse with anyone that evening.

  64. Deb says: Dec 31, 2010 12:49 PM

    @mswravens …

    If you re-read all the witness statements, then you know witnesses at other clubs said the accuser was buying her own drinks at other establishments while following Roethlisberger from club to club. And you know that at CapCity he was buying rounds for the room that the waitress said she deposited on the table and the accuser helped herself. She also has a history of drinking in that club with a fake ID. So he was not plying her with alcohol. As for her age, the DA described her as being a few months shy of her 21st birthday. So you can stop describing her as though she was a 16-year-old ingenue.

    Personally, I think Ben needed to be kicked up and down the streets of Milledgeville. What kind of nut, with a civil suit for rape pending, goes out and plays–as you said–king of the court with a bunch of drunken sorority sisters? Any man with half a brain in that situation seeing a woman advertising herself as “Down to F***”–which was on her pin and which she verbally translated for the crowd should have made him run like heck the other way. But nooo! Our QB thinks he’s made of Teflon. Jackass … definitely.

    But I will not sit here and let people paint that skank as a poor widdle innocent underage victim being plied with alcohol by the big bad wolf. If anyone was a predator that night, it was the woman Sports Illustrated described in its investigative report as “obsessed” with the QB, who dogged him all night, did everything but dance naked on the table, then cried rape when he didn’t screw her, just because her sorority sisters told her to. She should have been prosecuted … and her little friends, too.

  65. richm2256 says: Dec 31, 2010 1:19 PM

    Have to LOVE you blind idiot Steelers fans.

    When the Milledgeville story broke, so many of you came on here with your “I saw Ben Roethlisberger behave like a jacka$$” stories, and the Pittsburgh media was rife with “Roethlisberger is jerk” reports.

    So now someone without YOUR bias calls Roethlisberger a douche, and I’m the douche for reminding you all of what an a$$clown so many of you said he was six months ago?

    Bunch of morons. You people are dumber than rocks to believe this “I’m a new man” crap.

  66. importantpftcomment says: Dec 31, 2010 2:20 PM

    @Deb –

    Funny how your change your “facts” to fit what is brought up AFTER you make your claims.

    One thing that stands out above all else, despite your continued claims that absolutely no rape occurred –
    A doctor who examined her at a nearby emergency room discovered a cut, bruises and vaginal bleeding but could not say if she was raped. And while some DNA was found, there was not enough to determine whom it belonged to, Bright said.

    In other words, it could not be concluded if a rape DID or DID NOT not occur.

    Further, it doesn’t matter if she said she was DTF all night, followed him around trying to get into his pants, if she willingly went to that bathroom later that night or as you say ““obsessed” with the QB, who dogged him all night, did everything but dance naked on the table“. Once she said no, your boy should have maned up and walked out. By all accounts, he didn’t do that.

    If you are being truthful in your claims of rape, you of all people should be totally PO’ed that he wasn’t charged with anything!

    99.5% of people know what he did, sad that there are some like you who refuse to believe the evidence put in front of you!

  67. richm2256 says: Dec 31, 2010 2:30 PM

    From the ESPN linked story:
    ” A doctor who examined her at a nearby emergency room discovered a cut, bruises and vaginal bleeding but could not say if she was raped. And while some DNA was found, there was not enough to determine whom it belonged to, Bright said.”

    Deb says:
    “The exam revealed slight vaginal bruising and a small bleeding cut–also consistent w/consensual sex, fondling, masturbation. ”

    (So both a physician AND Deb admit that there were SOME physical signs of sexual activity!)

    Deb says:
    “In her condition, she could have easily scratched herself while wiping. My opinion is that they went to the bathroom with the intention of having sex, there was consensual fondling, but they were too drunk to do the deed, so he just dumped her.”

    “But I will not sit here and let people paint that skank as a poor widdle innocent underage victim being plied with alcohol by the big bad wolf.”
    ————————————————-

    I find it INCREDIBLEY SANCTAMONIOUS that someone who portrays herself as a “rape survivor” makes such a blatant assumption, given at least SOME indication of signs of a sexual assault and a victim who is claiming a sexual assault.

    As a “rape survivor”, it would be reasonable to assume that you would take that physical evidence – however small it may seem to you- and the word of a victim, over that of someone you ADMIT should have known better than to place himself in that position having already been previously accused of sexual assault!

    And who’s character is more credible here? Which of these two people has been involved in a previous sexual assault case, the victim or Roethlisberger???

    I find it incredible that someone who claims to be a rape survivor, someone whho supposedly works dilligently for rape victim’s rights, would callously ignore even the smallest physical signs of a sexual assault, and the word of a victim, against that of a previously accused sexual offender who followed the victim down a dark hallway like a sexual predaor, and had his bodyguards block access to that area.

    Incredible, Deb, incredible. I would hate to be a woman seeking help from you for a rape or sexual assault.

  68. Deb says: Dec 31, 2010 3:11 PM

    richm2256 …

    Yes, yes, we’re all accustomed to your passionate hatred for all things Steeler, including me, and your minimizing of my reality in favor of your hysterical ranting fictions. Got it. You’re an obsessed football nut who twists truths to fit the bizarre scenarios in your head.

    But nothing you’ve quoted changes the forensic findings that the women didn’t have intercourse, which was reiterated by the prosecutor in his statement to the press when he said he could not prove there was any penetration and did not have even enough evidence to suggest that the crime in question ever took place. If the medical exam had indicated intercourse, he would have said he had evidence of rape, but not enough to point to Roethlisberger as the perpetrator.

    And nothing in your post changes the statements of witnesses who refuted the two–and only two–sorority sisters who were barred from the party by the bodyguard and invented a story about him blocking the bathroom. Other witnesses, including the club owner said that dramatic tale you’re spinning about the dark hallway never happened and it even conflicts with the accuser’s written statement.

    I never took Roethlisberger’s word for anything in either case. Unlike you, I don’t worship the football players on my team. I simply read the evidence files and consulted experts in the field–because as a writer who covers legal and medical issues, I have access to experts in the field.

    Just as Andrea McNulty, who texted friends she couldn’t wait to see Roethlisberger again, was not a victim, this woman was not a victim. It’s insulting to victims to claim otherwise. You’ve cooked this whole thing up in your head because it’s what you desperately want to believe no matter what any authorities say to the contrary.

    And no, I can’t imagine you being a woman who’d been raped. You are incapable of standing in the shoes of a real rape victim. You feel only for yourself and your selfish obsession with a football team. This post, like so many others, demonstrates that real-life issues are far beyond your intellectual and emotional capacity.

  69. Deb says: Dec 31, 2010 3:22 PM

    @importantpftcomment …

    I know you said you’re a woman but you, um, stand up to pee (really, more than I needed to know). Anyway, I’m open-minded, but you should be careful about posting that stuff here … especially when you keep making all those passionate posts about Favre and your boy “Benji” (cute nickname, but I think he prefers “Big Ben”). Some people get bent out of shape over this stuff.

  70. steelers6pack says: Dec 31, 2010 3:29 PM

    Ben onkly had allegations! Never charged never arrested! Perrish Cox arrested ona Thursday and alowed to play following Sunday? Favre sending TEXT pictures of hsi junk and he only get $50,000 fine when he makes $20 mill this season?

  71. importantpftcomment says: Dec 31, 2010 5:37 PM

    #steelers6pack says: Dec 31, 2010 3:29 PM

    Ben onkly had allegations! Never charged never arrested! Perrish Cox arrested ona Thursday and alowed to play following Sunday? Favre sending TEXT pictures of hsi junk and he only get $50,000 fine when he makes $20 mill this season?

    ______________________

    Ben has had multiple “allegations“, Favre had one. At this time, without an admission from Favre, there is no proof that HE in fact sent the pictures, plus there is nothing said (at least not publicly) that the gold digger did not in fact ask for the pics to be sent. Favre was fined for not cooperating with the league, not lying as certain people try to claim and not for sexting or sending pictures. Ben via witness accounts was actually in the situations that led to the allegations.

    I won’t speak about Cox, I haven’t paid that much attention to the story at this point to be honest.

    Spell check is your friend, might want to keep that in mind in the future

  72. mswravens says: Dec 31, 2010 5:49 PM

    Deb – WOW! I’m sorry, because I do respect you, but you have gone way off the reservation.

    I wish I had time to re-print all of your posts and then discredit many of the statements you make as fact which are directly contradicted by the evidence during the investigation – which, let us not forget, was both wanting & botched in many respects. As someone who has cross-examined witnesses for almost 20 years, I would tear you a new one on the witness stand. I’ve done it to many a witness with a lot less ammunition than you have supplied. Just as a for example – your description of Ben’s limited statement to the police officer is flat out wrong. In fact, the officer reported that Ben denied knowing the woman he just hooked up with (whether that entailed actual intercourse or not), saying merely that he thought he remembered seeing her in the bar. hardly forthcoming…he then refused to make any further statement at that time. You also say that the accuser had only two corroborating witnesses, both of whom were pissed off because Ben or someone in his group, booted them from the VIP. Again, wrong! There was one “sister” who was offended when Ben made the “all my bitches do a shot” remark, and left on her own. She wasn’t there when IT went down, so she wasn’t one of the corroborating witnesses. Two other women did state that they tried to get into the back area to remove their friend, and Ben’s bodyguards blocked them from trying to help their clearly inebriated friend. Both of them, by the way, also went to the bar owner to try & get her out of there, but he refused to help…but did corroborate their story! And just because she was drinking on her own, doesn’t make it OK for Ben to later supply tray after tray of shots for the 19-20 year old girls. And another thing – the accused didn’t announce to the crowd what DTF meant, as you state. She was wearing a handwritten name tag with 3 lines of small text, the bottom line saying DTF (review the pictures…it’s barely legible)…described by her friends as an inside joke from a birthday party earlier that evening. Ben asked what DTF meant, and one of her friends told him AND added that it was an inside joke. I could go on & on with statement you make as fact, that just are not supported by the evidence.

    What’s really disturbing though, is how you have singly concluded that the evidence is not only insufficient to charge a crime, but is definitive proof of innocence…you have judged the credibility of the witnesses and the parties on the basis of summary written statements, thereby discarding everything that does not fit your narrative and accepting all that does…and then twisted the story in your own mind to one of a college aged hussy in obsessed pursuit of a star athlete who just so happens to be a willing victim of her pursuit, so that she can later claim rape, seek to charge him with a crime, and then decide not to & disappear…forcing her to withdraw from school for at least a period of time, such that the conniving b*tch should herself be charged with a crime…and lets not forget her friends who were apparently willing participants in this charade.

    You have somehow manipulated this whole sordid affair in your own mind to one in which Ben could not be guilty to the extent that you beleive there is no proof of guilt…and then raged against anyone who would say otherwise. I really think you need to try to step back and re-assess your assessment of this case. I don’t know if Ben raped her. I don’t know if they had sex. But I do know that you don’t know either, although you think you do!

  73. richm2256 says: Dec 31, 2010 8:50 PM

    @mswravens:

    Great job! My points exactly.

    The physicians say there WERE signs of sexual activity, and the victim is claiming there was a sexual assault. Deb just tosses that evidence out saying that it doesn’t prove intercourse – which is not necessary for sexual assault – and which, IF it happened, she is sure was consensual sex, all while dismissing the victim’s claims of assault in favor of a TWICE accused sexual predator ……..

    and she passes herself off as a rape victim’s advocate?!!!!

  74. bluefan204 says: Dec 31, 2010 8:55 PM

    joetoronto says: Dec 31, 2010 10:01 AM

    You’re not serious, are you, that’s what you get from this?

    ——–

    I was being facetious/sarcastic

    Ben supposedly did “nothing”, but Rooney wants to make sure that this doesn’t happen “again”.

  75. Deb says: Jan 1, 2011 12:23 AM

    @mswravens …

    Happy new year!

    Wow … you’d tear me a new one? Good luck with that. I know those case files like the back of my hand, and as I said, a good friend worked the investigation so my conclusions have been confirmed by someone even more familiar with the files than I am. My brother and sis-in-law are top-notch criminal defense attorneys who also teach law school, so I’d be well-prepped by people who do this every day.

    You’re confusing details of the case and I am not the one who reached the conclusion that no crime occurred. The prosecutor reached that conclusion. He announced it months ago when he said that there was no evidence of penetration or that she was an unwilling participant in her behavior with Roethlisberger. He said he didn’t even have enough for probable cause–the reasonable belief that a crime occurred. The medical exam is as I described, and I’m not going to describe it again.

    Ben’s brief statement to the police was, to paraphrase, Oh yeah, I remember that girl. I told her she was too drunk to be back there. I think she hit her head. At that point a member of his entourage told him to stop talking until he spoke with an attorney.

    Yes, a woman was offended by the “bitches” remark and left. My altercation on PFT with her mother is what led me to blurt out my rape history. That has nothing to do with what I’m describing. I have no reason to believe that woman was one of the accuser’s sorority sisters.

    The accuser and her sorority sisters remained at the VIP party where they continually asked Ben to accompany him back to their place. He refused, commenting to his buddies that was a lawsuit waiting to happen. One of the sorority sisters then began ragging him about the Nevada lawsuit. At that point, Ben personally threw her out of the party. Again, the DA went over this info, although he didn’t detail the reason the woman was thrown out of the party. That came out later. This woman and another sorority sister tried to get back into the party and the bodyguard refused to grant them admittance.

    Later, those two women were the ones who dragged the accuser to the police and insisted she’d been raped while she said she had not even had sex (which was confirmed by her medical exam). Those two women went back with her to the police station the following morning when she changed her story to say she had been raped. Those two women are the only ones who told the story about the bodyguard blocking the bathroom door. The owner of the club said they came to him and expressed concern about their friend continuing to be in the VIP room and he personally showed them a way to get into the VIP room, bypassing the bodyguard. However, he said, they did not bother to go. The other witnesses refuted the story about the bodyguard blocking the door and it conflicts with the accuser’s own written statement. She claims she and Ben were rolling around on the floor in the hallway before getting up and going into the bathroom. So where was the bodyguard? Hanging from a light fixture above them? Of course, she also claims he entered her while she was sitting on a toilet. He’s 6’5″. The toilet is 14 inches from the ground.

    So you’re going to break me? I’m a three-time cancer survivor, have been through 28 surgeries, am a rape survivor, and spent more than four years living in the projects in a guerilla war zone with freaking bombs going off around me. And I’m contracted to write books on medical and legal issues, so I’m pretty good at doing my homework and getting my facts straight. I don’t break that easily.

  76. importantpftcomment says: Jan 1, 2011 5:46 AM

    @mswravens

    I read Deb’s reply to you and decided to do a little searching. Guess what I found, 23 pages of statements made both that night and the next morning. These are scans of the original statements (even in their own handwriting from the victim, witnesses, even Ben’s very first statement to the police, as told by the officer). Imagine my reaction when they are substantially different than what Deb tries to claim. Guess she didn’t think the statements would be found online!

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/ben-roethlisbergers-bad-play

    Maybe this will shut her up once and for all, but somehow I doubt it. I’m thinking that she will claim the documents are forged! LOL

  77. joetoronto says: Jan 1, 2011 7:12 AM

    Just more proof that football is the number one priority in life for most Steelers fans.

    Seriously, that’s just wrong.

  78. mswravens says: Jan 1, 2011 10:30 AM

    @Deb – Happy New Year to you as well…sincerely! I hope you & yours had a safe and joyous celebration!

    You can take all the preparation in the world by top notch lawyers…and you can have the ice in veins demeanor of Nathan Jessup (you know the reference?)…it doesn’t matter. When you make statements that are contradicted by the evidence, it’s a field day for any attorney who has half a sense of what they’re doing. It doesn’t mean I’m g-d’s gift to trial lawyers, or possess any special talent. I would have a field day with you. The devil is always in the details…and the more detail you continue to provide, or create in your own mind…yes, the easier it would be for me to take you down. I don’t care if you visibly crumble or not. That’s the stuff of television dramas. You can be as firm in your convictions as you are on this board. It won’t matter. All that will matter is the impression that is left in the jurors minds. And with all respect, despite what you’ve been through, unless and until you’ve been on the stand, you have no idea what you’re dealing with.

    Now, all that said, you obviously wouldn’t be a witness in the case…you are simply restating what you have gleaned from others. And you and I could obviously go round & round over all the he said-she said that is at the heart of this case. I’m not going to waste either of our time continuing to do so, but will simply sum up by again pointing out that you continue to say that the DA concluded no crime was committed. That is simply not true. He concluded that he did not have sufficient evidence to proceed. That is not affirmative proof of Ben’s innocence, as much as you want it to be…as much as in your own mind you have intepreted it to be. It’s not even proof that other prosecutors in other jurisdictions would have reached a different conclusion! I don’t know this prosecutor. He may be a wuss? He may be concerned about his career? Hell, maybe he’s a tough SOB and really believes nothing happened… Who knows! Your lawyer releatives should be the first to tell you that it’s an imperfect system.

    You have played judge & jury & reached your conclusion…and that’s fine. I seriously commend you for having done so after the exhaustive research you have done. BUT, somewhere, somehow, you have to understand that a lot of other people…haven’t done polling, but I suspect it’s a majority of people… feel otherwise. That doesn’t make anyone who thinks Ben raped this girl, or sexually assaulted this girl, a jackass…and you shouldn’t blame those people for feeling that way. And you shouldn’t blame this girl for what happened either. You should blame Ben for misbehaving – whether criminally or not – and making people feel that way about him…and for putting you in the position of having to defend him.

    By the way, 12 people after months of testimony found OJ innocent. A much larger and more informed sampling than your DA in Milledgville, GA. You think OJ was innocent???

    Lastly – you’ll get a good close up look at Colt McCoy tomorrow. I hope he found an arm in the last week, but I doubt it, and will wonder what you see in him tomorrow. Here’s some excerpts from Kiper’s draft analysis:

    “I really believe that his arm strength is under-rated. Granted, this past season, a decent percentage of McCoy’s throws were of the underneath variety…[then Kiper blames the o-line & a shoulder injury]…A question with him will be, can he power the ball down the field and stretch an NFL defense? For the most part I believe he can make the necessary throws, although wind and weather could cause some issues.”

    So it seems the arm is a question, and I didn’t see much arm last week. Rookie wall, maybe? weather? I don’t know…I like Kiper a lot, and seems he had his questions. Then again, Kiper also insisted Jimmie Clausen would be a top notch NFL QB!!! I just think us Ravens & Steelers fans won’t have to worry too much about the Browns making any noise anytime soon…methinks they still need a QB!!!

  79. Deb says: Jan 1, 2011 2:01 PM

    @mswravens …

    My brother says he wouldn’t want me on a rape jury because my bias is for the victim. It took a long time to realize many women lie about rape. When McNulty made her accusation, I examined it closely and felt there were problems, but wasn’t comfortable until the text messages surfaced. Because there was so much evidence indicating he didn’t assault her, I was skeptical of the next accusation. I studied the files, researched DNA testing, and consulted with my brother and others. I have as good a handle on it as any reporter working the case.

    Fred Bright’s an ethical, respected prosecutor, though he gets carried away around cameras. He has a large team of prosecutors. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation ran this case, and is one of the top agencies of its kind in the nation. The investigation wasn’t botched. Info re the security system was erroneously reported. There were no cameras in the VIP or bathroom areas. Investigators watched the footage, which showed only the parties entering the club separately. They chose not to download it because it wasn’t relevant. Later, the system reached capacity and overwrote, just as any DVR. Officer Jerry Blash’s mistake was to have a photo taken w/Ben hours earlier. When her sorority sisters kept shouting she’d been raped, he told them to shut up and let her talk, and he said she was too drunk to know what happened. That cost him his job. But he filed an incident report, sent her to the hospital, and dispatched a detective. Then there was the silliness about cleaning the bathroom. Dozens of people had been in that bathroom, and Ben never denied being there. But the woman alleged only vaginal rape, so the relevant fact was that not a pindrop of semen or one pubic hair was found on her.

    You’re incorrect in insisting the DA said he didn’t have enough to prosecute. Networks ran excerpts, but I watched his entire 71-minute press conference at least five times. He began by saying his job is to win cases and he didn’t have enough to go forward. But then his tenor changed. He said he needed to prove penetration against her will and couldn’t prove either. The penetration comment was due to the medical exam. He talked about how she had been engaged in mutual sexual conversation w/Ben. He talked about how they had tried to get Ben to go home with them. He said not only didn’t he have enough to convict, he didn’t have enough for probable cause–the reasonable belief a crime has occurred. He said he’d never re-open this case regardless of future evidence. That’s because the medical exam shows she wasn’t raped.

    Bright said the accusation was alcohol-fueled and he hoped the women learned their lesson. If Ben were one of his sons, he’d tell him to grow up and he’s welcome back in town if he behaves. Not the words of a vet prosecutor who thinks a rapist may be getting away for lack of evidence.

    My extreme ire isn’t, as most think, about idolization of Roethlisberger. Don’t want to lose my Super Bowl-winning QB, but have wanted to kick Ben in the backside. I’m just so tired of stories about women who go out wearing t-shirts that say “In case of rape, this side up” or DTF pins, who deliberately get themselves blotto and crawl over anything that moves, and later decide it’s rape. In this case–believe it or not–the medical exam shows there was no sex. But even if there were, calling it rape trivializes all those women and girls I’ve known who really were violated against their will.. Ben’s no saint but no matter what rival football fans think, these women know what they did. And someday I hope the ones who cried wolf will regret playing this game. Back later to talk football …

  80. Deb says: Jan 1, 2011 2:06 PM

    @unimportant …

    No, of course I didn’t think the statements would be found online so anyone could challenge me!

    Where do you think I got them, genius? ROFL

    Although I got my copies from the Police Department releases and only picked up a couple of missing links from the Smoking Gun. So my stack is probably more complete than your stack. And the story does piece together exactly as I’ve posted.

    You know what gives you your first hint that my version is accurate?

    The fact that no arrest was made and no charges were filed.

    Ba-dum-dum!

    So what was it this morning … squat or stand? :cool:

  81. tomlovestroy says: Jan 6, 2011 12:27 AM

    Wo…Wo…Woo.

    The police never held Ray Lewis because they ever thought he was the murderer. They held him only because he was withholding information about who the murderer was. He was actually protecting a thug/clinger that jumped into his car. The police never said Ray could have been the murderer.

    Contrast that with Roethlisberger…Remember the first incident? It went away pretty quickly. However, when it happens a second time…I would say that is pattern of behavior and it matches what his friends say about him. This wouldn’t be an issue either if it hadn’t been the second instance.

    Ray never committed a crime and his friends have always spoken highly of him.

    Roethlisberger committed something multiple times and his friends have spoken lowly of him.

    Don’t compare Ray to Roethlisberger.

    The Pittsburgh interview of Roethlisberger during his suspension tells you everything about him and the Pittsburgh Media. When he was asked if he is taking the time to reflect on what he had done…What did he say?
    Yeah..I have been putting my past behind me and concentrating on football, staying in shape, etc. What a crappy answer. If I were the father of the girl involved, I wouldn’t want Roethlisberger to forget everything and concentrate on football. Yet to the Pittsburgh Media, that was the perfect answer.

  82. masteel says: Jan 6, 2011 12:28 PM

    this all makes for interesting reading since x amount are still condemning Ben and x amount are defending Ben.

    this is a public blog site intended for football chatter players, stats, games, etc. not a public blog litigation site ….the court and officials had their say – Ben has been found innocent.

    AND winning does allow things to fade, SO I hope the Steelers & Ben keep on Winning!!

    GO Steelers

  83. bunkmcnulty says: Jan 6, 2011 2:07 PM

    Just for the record, my screen name has nothing to do with Ben’s first alleged victim. Rather, my favorite two detectives from The Wire, a Baltimore based police drama (awesome show I might add).

    masteel, I don’t think you have the right to say what people blog on here about. If they want to get into why Ben’s is or isn’t guilty, so be it. Just don’t read it if you don’t like it. By the way, the court did not ever have an official say as you state. It did not go to trial. And the correct outcome I believe you were alluding to would have been “not guilty” as opposed to “innocent.” You’ll recall OJ was “not guilty.” Hardly innocent.

    Mswravens and Deb, you two need something more in your life. You two really have this much time on your hands? Although, I do admit to finding your banter minimally amusing. I will say, that all the GA investigation proves is there was no sufficient evidence to proceed. That is not a necessarily at statement of innocence.

    Anyway, can hardly wait for the next PFT story that you two battle it out on again. Thanks for the entertainment.

  84. boothisman says: Jan 6, 2011 2:36 PM

    Ben didn’t do anything wrong, he was never brought up on any charges, he was suspended for getting drunk with college chicks. Sorry haters. I know it sucks because he rolled on your team, probably multiple times, and he’s probably only #2 in the NFL to Tom Brady, but deal with it.

    Your crying because your team isn’t as good as the Steelers really does get old.

  85. bunkmcnulty says: Jan 6, 2011 3:57 PM

    boothisman,

    Ben didn’t do anything wrong? Typical partisan fan that gets off trying put down fans from other teams. Oh, let me be more contemporary (I hate lingo), we’re the “haters” you team “rolls” on.

    Why was he suspended then? Why did all your own faithful “Stiller” fans dump on your own man (and some still do)? Because he was getting drunk with the college chicks? You sound like someone who would have ben right there with Ben as he called all these women his “b*tches.” Have some class and a real argument next time you post.

    I’ll never cry because of the Steelers. You all have more trophies for whining and crying than you have Lomdardi’s. You all have a good team. You all have won multiple championships. Still “having class” alludes the Steeler fans. Someday maybe!

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