My reply didn’t get posted, so I’m trying again. You don’t have enough information about this to imply that these women are “feigning victimhood.”

When the Ben Roethlisberger case came out in Nevada, it looked pretty bad. But, several people, including myself, and I’m sure you, waited until all the facts came out before calling Ben a “rapist.” It’s a good thing we did too because it sure looks like he wasn’t a rapist in that case. But, you aren’t giving these women that same chance. By even mentioning the phrase “feigning victimhood” or implying this is all for profit before knowing more than this article tells us, is ridiculous.

“The allegation was that Favre texted another woman that he wanted a three-way and suggested she bring Scavo along. Since he didn’t say that to Scavo, I don’t see how that could be construed as harassing Scavo.”

I’m sure you have a job or have had one in the past. Any HR person would tell you that asking someone else at your work place if she wants to have a threesome is harassment. I doubt very much that this is all that happened, but I don’t know. I’m going to wait until more comes out before just deciding my opinion on the matter.

But, back to my original point, how can you possibly feel like you have enough information to even throw out the phrase “feigning victimhood?”

case in point, nearly 20 yrs ago, i was working as an admin asst and i was always early to my job and there was an older man that also was always early. One day, he prints something on the printer behind me. Me, being an admin asst went and picked it up, it was a list of all his at-home porn, i didn’t realize what it was until i had handed it to him…after realizing what it was, i was put in an awful position and felt horrible and not at all safe with this guy around and I had to report him. It made for a tremendously uncomfortable working situation for me and eventually i got transferred…and I am not a prude or anything, but that’s just not what u do at work.

So to the writer of this article — you don’t get to decide what is sexual harassment or not — the law does and the feeling it gives women when it occurs to them is very strong…not feeling safe at work is a horrible thing to go through. too bad most men will never feel that cuz they think it’s just okay to throw whatever they want out there and well if it hurts someone, oh well…
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You bring up great points but your situation is much different than this. It wasn’t that these women felt unsafe at work. That was never stated. It’s that they are stating they lost work after the so called incident.

I can agree sexual harrassment is anything a person believes is sexual harrassment. The question with the Favre case is what really happened? Do you know? No. Nor do I. But as of right now nothing is proven either way. And if they were mad because they didn’t get any more work from the Jets organization they should have brought it up 2 years ago when it happened. The fact they waited until AFTER something else hit really hurts their case. It makes it look like they had no issues until they thought they can make money out of it.

If you want to call him a cheater or a person that has ill intentions I will agree. But you are basing your so called facts on what is nothing but hearsay at this time.

Thank you … I really needed to hear that today

With that being said, Deb can still call bull on this, as a victim herself. Who are you “Richm” to say otherwise on the matter? Were you there? No? Are you a detective? No? Do you have some facts that we don’t? No? What about, were you a female rape survivor yourself? No again? I think that merrits you keeping you dumb ass opinion to yourself. Not to mention, who do you think you are, degrading Debs character when you don’t know her or her situation personally?

The point here is, if the American public would spend as much time worrying about their own lives, or what is happening to this country as we speak, than what some celebrity is doing in their personal lives. Maybe we would all be in a better place, not to mention the media would not feed on this type of thing and this would have probably never even been an issue. Brett Favre is one of the, if not the greatest QB to ever play the game, and that is what he gets paid to do, that is his job and he does and always has done it well. That is as much as anyone needs to know about him. Do I personally agree with his choice of lifestyle, NO. But it is not for me to judge. Everyone needs a victim and a bad guy in a situation like this, and it is easy to point fingers at the wealthy male. But I have personally experienced a female making accusation of me doing erroneous things that were no more true than me typing this post from the moon in an attempt to get paid. So until you have stood on the other side of the bridge, don’t tell me what the view looks like. Thanks again deb.

Yes, I felt that way during my rape, too. “We have a winner! It’s the man!” Congrats, that comment gets you an honorable mention in the Biggest Asses on PFT contest.

My understanding was that Sterger was a nude model while in the Jets employ–which means she worked in the sex industry while in the Jets employ. That’s why I worded it as I did.

The allegation was that Favre texted another woman that he wanted a three-way and suggested she bring Scavo along. Since he didn’t say that to Scavo, I don’t see how that could be construed as harassing Scavo.

I am not siding with anyone. Since I’m not a junior-high student like you, I don’t view these issues in terms of winners and losers. I’ve made it clear that I find Favre’s behavior distasteful. However, I find it more distasteful when women feign victimhood to for profit. It’s insulting to women who have actually been victimized. If there were merit to their complaint, they would have made it two years ago when it (supposedly) affected their livelihood rather than coming out of the woodwork when Favre’s issues with Sterger became public.

“She worked in the sex industry.”

Not while the incident happened.

“According to the report of the complaint filed by the massage therapists, Favre said he was lonely and had bad intentions.”

That is not all that was said. From this article: “Favre wanted to have a three-way with Scavo and another therapist.”

This implies that there was much more communication between Favre and the women than just saying he was lonely. Unless you have access to some information none of us have, than you don’t know enough information to start attacking these women. I am very surprised that, with very little information, you are siding with Favre (I understand you aren’t calling him a saint, but your first post denotes you clearly taking sides). Apparently to you, the tie always goes to the man.

Good post. “Subject”–never thought of that one. Reminds me, though, of an experience this past summer … Never discussed it much anywhere until the Roethlisberger case on here, but always think of myself as a rape survivor because I don’t like “victim” either. But when I posted that commonly used reference, a couple of nuts on here reamed me out up one side and down the other that you don’t “survive” a rape. Really? That’s what they think–and I still hope those two find out firsthand one day … maybe in a nice Turkish prison Haven’t seen either of them posting in a while. But there have been some real nut cases on this site.

So I have a problem with “victims” that wait such an extreme amount of time to complain. And if reports are true, these ladies didn’t complain to the Jets organization at the time they were “offended”. Afraid to lose your job? How about afraid to lose your integrity by letting a perv off the hook to do the same to others? And, as contractors, it’s possible that a business could choose not to use their services in a future capacity. Does it look bad for the Jets that they chose another massuese company? Possibly, but I don’t have all of the facts and the timeline of how things shook out. So I can’t judge on that.

My point is simply that someone waiting so long to report harassment is suspect or at the very least insecure in their conduct & abilities. I don’t care if we’re talking about Joe Schmoe in corporate America or high profile athletes. If I’ve done my job well and get fired because I complain about SH, then I’ll defend myself to the best of my ability and it will be on record immediately. I can always find another job.

Oh, and Brett Favre is a philandering pig off field but that’s Deanna’s problem…

(Not exclusively, of course–I mean I know I could run across the hall at work and harass the hell out of a co-worker right now).

But by comparison–a peer of equal standing propositioning another peer contains nothing implicitly sinister or threatening, there is no implied threat if the advance is denied, right?
Now, unless it is downright lewd, or repeated and clearly unwanted, etc. that’s something different altogether –but otherwise, a massage therapist asking out another massage therapist might amount to improper fraternization, at most.

But when the propositioner has AUTHORITY (or is perceived to be in a position of authority/influence over the other), and THEN makes any kind of “unwanted” advance–there’s trouble.

Yeah, there’s a lot of subjectives/gray in there–but that’s the nature of human sexuality, courtship, relationships, and power dynamics.
Yup–the beauty of nature, as observed by closed circuit security cameras, revealed on youtube (and cell phones), and interpreted by juries.

Anyway, if the women (and I’m not sure I entirely trust their skantastic motives, either, while I also know Failvre is an all-star when it comes to scumbaggery) can make the case that Favre’s advances contained some sort of implied threat to their employment standing, they’ve got a much better shot at making their case.

But at its heart, harrassment is about the power dynamic–didn’t Demi Moore & Michael Douglas & Dennis Miller & Donald Sutherland teach you people anything?

P.S. If my wife were a licensed Physical Therapist, sports trainer, etc. (I would never marry a masseuse) and some clod propositioned her like that, I’d be seeking more than an apology…I’d be after my pound of flesh.

IN mid 2010 Sterger made similar comments about big bens accuser that Deb did. Sterger also said ines sainz got exactly what she was looking for in september 2010. So sterger and Deb clearly agree on these things. Victim my ass. Stop being a liberal apologist and wake up. Deb is right and always has been.

Surviving a violent attack does not obligate me to turn off my brain, ignore case facts, and champion every two-bit hustler trying to pilfer some guy’s wallet by claiming she is a victim. My concern is and always will be for genuine victims.

When a Nevada woman has a one-night stand with an athlete and texts people she can’t wait to see him again, she has not been raped. So when I “attack” her for suing that man and her colleagues for $3 million, I am not attacking a victim. When a Georgia woman chases a man from club to club, climbing all over him, and has a medical exam showing conclusively she could not have had sex within that time frame, she has not been raped. So when I “attack” her for making a false allegation at the behest of a bitter sorority sister, I am not attacking a victim.

We do not know Favre texted pictures of his privates to anyone. We do not know he suggested threesomes to anyone. We know he’s a randy dog who propositions women not his wife. I find that distasteful, not criminal.

Yes, when you are a nude model–a woman working in the sex industry–you should expect to be propositioned. There is no evidence Sterger was harassed. She did not lose her job with the Jets over Favre. If she is unemployed now, it’s because she kept his voice mails for two years and spread them around until they went viral. Yes, when you have a job that brings you into close physical contact with athletes, you should expect they’ll try their luck, and you should learn how to deflect those advances. I’m not saying it’s right. It’s not right that I can’t walk to the corner store at 3 a.m. But it’s reality. Grow up.

I never said I “worked” as a rape survivor aide (and I’m not sure what that is). I’m a woman who lived through a violent attack. Because of that, I’ve been part of the therapeutic healing process for many women as they pour out details of their violent attacks, just as other experienced women played that role for me in my healing process. Funny… not one of us was wearing a DTF pin or sued later for money. Some things aren’t for sale. And I really don’t care whether some numbnut like you believes me or not. You’re on a bizarre football-themed moral crusade. I’m just speaking the truth as I understand it based on the facts as they’re released.

Thank you. It’s always nice to meet rational people who can understand the point of a post without getting hysterical. I’ve always enjoyed watching Favre’s kidlike enthusiasm and grit on the field. But I’ve never been under any illusions about his off-field character. The stories about his philandering have circulated since early in his career. He can be a dog and still be set upon by gold diggers. People always assume that if one person is the bad guy, that means the other is the good guy. Doesn’t always work like that.

Sterger was a nude model for Playboy. She worked in the sex industry. According to the report of the complaint filed by the massage therapists, Favre said he was lonely and had bad intentions. That is not harassment. My concern is for women who endure genuine harassment in the workplace. If these women felt harassed, I’m sure they would have pursued it at the time. Women looking to cash in on a celebrity’s bank account aren’t helping victimized women.

@jen58 …

Printing out pornographic materials on a workplace printer–which means they were stored on a workplace computer–is a rules violation in most workplaces. And in some it would be grounds for immediate dismissal. And what did you do? Did you wait two years until both you and the man had long since left the organization and you learned he was wealthy to sue him for undisclosed $$$$? No, you reported it to your supervisor at the time the incident occurred. When you compare yourself to this situation, you do yourself a disservice.

@Ambrose …

Someone posted that the Jets moved to a new training facility and that’s why they changed contractors. The women apparently did not complain at the time, so the Jets didn’t change contractors because of them. The only other possibility is a possible complaint by Favre to the Jets. But from what they’re saying, he blew the whole thing off. No one’s saying the guy isn’t a dog–only that this doesn’t seem to rise to the level of harassment.

Now he is being accused by two women of sending messages for threesomes and other sexual advances, and people are questioning those who would question Favre’s character (what, he DIDN’T send pics of his dick to Jen Sterger????) as well as why these two victims waited two years to file a lawsuit?

Deb, how many times in your “career” as a rape counselor have you seen other victims come out once someone else accused someone of sexual assault or harrassment? I’d imagine it’s not all that unusual.

Brett Favre is being accused of making inappropriate sexual advances on two health care professionals, after we already know he behaved similarly with Jen Sterger. Why is anyone defending this creep? He continues – like Ben Roethlisberger – to show repeated patterns of behavior. Where there is smoke, there generally is fire (As has been noted many times before, has anyone made even a single accusation against Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, etc.?).

The fact that these women received no further work from the Jets indeed backs up their claim of harrassment

Are you SERIOUS?????

So a woman who works as a licensed “legitimate” massage therapist for an NFL team should EXPECT to be hit on for sex, instead of being treated as a health care professional? And when she complains about being propositioned, she should EXPECT to lose her job, and that’s OKAY with you, Deb?

“Nothing in these situations rises to the level of sexual harassment”. “If you’re a woman over 18 and can’t figure out how to answer “I’m all alone and have bad intentions,” you need to work in a convent.”

Folks, these comments -blaming the victims – are coming from a woman who supposedly works with FEMALE RAPE SURVIVORS!!!!!!

I have to wonder what Deb’s Supervisor would think of all her comments? Seriously, this woman has trashed the Nevada victim of Roethlisberger, the Millidgeville victim of Roethlisberger, Jenn Sterger, and now these two women. The next woman whom Deb believes is a victim of sexual asault or sexual harrassment will be her FIRST.

Deb, you have finally exposed yourself once and for all with these comments and are obviously a sham, and a delusional excuse-maker for white NFL perverted quarterbacks. You are no more a rape survivor aide than I am a Rockette.

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“Nothing in these situations rises to the level of sexual harassment, and treating greedy opportunists like victims is a slap in the face to women who have been victimized in the workplace. If these women had cases, they’d have pursued them at the time. These are just sharks who smell blood in the water.”

Wish your comment was the first posted, it’s the only one worth reading. If anyone denies that sexual harassment doesn’t exist than they are even more igonorant than I. However your point that “Greedy opportunist” cast a bad light on all women is well taken. Unfortunately many men will paint Favre as a hero, which Casts’ a bad light on all men.

They laugh and say sending ““Kinda lonely tonight. I guess I have bad intentions” to a woman other than your wife is okay and harmless.

But you know damn well if their wife or girlfriend got the same text, they would be furious.

Ick. When in doubt, you narc out the guy as if he were Hannibal Lecter …… and now two decades later continue to post plublicly on the guy saying “you’re not a prude or anything.”

Yeah, you are. Actually, you’re worse than a prude. You disgust me. Women make fun of guys for being bald, short, fat, hairy back, etc. Should they be entitled to report the matter to HR and then hope to cash in by filing a lawsuit over hurt feelings?

Sadly, the pendulum swung starkly in the direction petty garbage like you seeks. It does seem to be finally working its way back.

But wow, now it’s three women who have accused him of sexual harrassment.

That’s a pattern of behavior that violates the personal conduct policy–according to Goodell. Favre should be suspended at least 6 games, with 2 given back for good behavior…oh wait, he’s retiring, so Goodell got off easy.

shiftyvision says: Come on man…. Favre just wanted to get some… now so do these gold diggers.

Be careful what you say–I think there might be a “gold digger” in Nevada and a young college girl who has full pockets for wanting money from a QB. Rape and sexual assualt are not exactly the same, but they are not that different when someone is pressuring you to have sex with them.

Will some of your opinions change when evidence is released regarding exactly what Favre did, or are some of you so blinded by a great QB he can do nothing wrong (which is what Steelers fans are accused of)

case in point, nearly 20 yrs ago, i was working as an admin asst and i was always early to my job and there was an older man that also was always early. One day, he prints something on the printer behind me. Me, being an admin asst went and picked it up, it was a list of all his at-home porn, i didn’t realize what it was until i had handed it to him…after realizing what it was, i was put in an awful position and felt horrible and not at all safe with this guy around and I had to report him. It made for a tremendously uncomfortable working situation for me and eventually i got transferred…and I am not a prude or anything, but that’s just not what u do at work.

So to the writer of this article — you don’t get to decide what is sexual harassment or not — the law does and the feeling it gives women when it occurs to them is very strong…not feeling safe at work is a horrible thing to go through. too bad most men will never feel that cuz they think it’s just okay to throw whatever they want out there and well if it hurts someone, oh well…

the media should just drop this circus. If people think Favre is the only sleaze the NFL… ha ha ha

“This is America, you can sue for anything and probably win…or at least get a settlement.”