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Broncos will want second round pick for Orton

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Kyle Orton, who finished with 20 touchdowns and nine interceptions this year,  would upgrade a lot of quarterback situations around the league.  He’s a perfect candidate to pair with a raw young quarterback.  Like, say, Tim Tebow.

Despite that, Mike Klis of the Denver Post writes that Orton will “likely be traded.”   The Broncos will reportedly ask for a second round pick for Orton.   A few points here:

1. The Broncos don’t even have a coach.  Will it be a requirement for possible coaches that they have to believe Tebow is their future?  This seems very short-sighted.

2. Orton is due $8.4 million next year.  He might inspire another team to give up a second or third-round pick if he was cheaper, but not at that price.  Too big a cost.

3. We think Tebow showed a ton of promise in his first three starts.  He deserves every chance to start next year.  It is very risky to count on him as the only option, though, especially if the Broncos change from an offensive system that suited Tebow.

4.  It’s possible there will be no offseason practices this year and a limited training camp because of a lockout in the offseason.  In that scenario, could Tebow learn an entirely new system in a few weeks and then hit the ground running?   Good luck.

5. If the Broncos dump Orton, they will wind up looking for a lesser version of Orton to pair with Tebow.  Much of Orton’s money is guaranteed.  Getting Orton excited to return might be a better option, especially if there is a lockout.

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43 Responses to “Broncos will want second round pick for Orton”
  1. bryaninohio says: Jan 4, 2011 9:30 AM

    great dolphins don’t have a second round pick!.

  2. hnirobert3 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:33 AM

    He’ll be a Dolphin, mark it.

    Very depressed,
    Dolfan

  3. jlb10 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:39 AM

    no way they get a second round pick for orton. not at that price

  4. realitypolice says: Jan 4, 2011 9:41 AM

    This organization has gone from proud to train wreck in two years.

    They would be insane to trade Orton now for all of the reasons you list above.

    Which is exactly while they’ll do it.

    Oh, and by the way, Tebow cool-aid drinkers, when every decent coaching prospect turns the Broncos down because of the Timmy Is The Future edict from management, you’ll know exactly what educated football minds think of him.

  5. brutus9448 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:44 AM

    you can’t even trade players for picks until the CBA is decided and it’ll probably be decided after the draft.
    No way anyone will give the a 2nd for orton unless mcdaniels is their OC

  6. kellyb9 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:46 AM

    @jlb10 – So you’re telling me you wouldn’t take Orton to pair up with a young, newly drafted QB in Carolina or Arizona, etc? Could be a great way to ease one of these guys into a started role like Warner did for Eli a few years back.

  7. contract says: Jan 4, 2011 9:47 AM

    The Cardinals are desperate for a functional QB, so they have a shot of getting that pick.

  8. azbearsfan35 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:49 AM

    I can easily see Orton going to the Vikings

  9. carson9 says: Jan 4, 2011 9:53 AM

    2nd round pick? PLEASE!!! Fair market value for Orton is a 6 pack of Naty Light and a few scratch off lottery tickets.

    All of his yards were for screen passes 10 yards away or dump offs at or near the line of scrimmage. His longest throw of the year (71 yards) is tied with John Kitna. His completion percentage (58.8%) is WORSE then Chad Henne, Shaun Hill, Alex Smith and Jason Campbell. Sam Bradford has ZERO recievers and he even completes more of his passes then Orton despite having Brandon Lloyd.

    Any GM that makes Orton the starter should be burned at the stake.

  10. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Jan 4, 2011 9:55 AM

    “In that scenario, could Tebow learn an entirely new system in a few weeks ”

    According to folks that worked with him pre-draft…he can pick up an offense that quickly and diagram it, better than some current players…according to reports back when.

  11. rickupchurch says: Jan 4, 2011 9:56 AM

    1. Matching a coach to the talents of it’s players is not short sighted.

    2. Orton is guaranteed only $2.67M. Any team trading for Orton can work out an extension.

    3. There is free agency and the draft.

    4. True for most teams with new head coaches. Nobody expects Denver to contend next year anyway.

    5. They already have a crappier version of Kyle Orton: Brady Quinn.

  12. dannywoodhead1 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM

    seriously, a 5th at best for orton.

    cassel was traded for a 2nd, orton isnt close to what cassel is.

  13. jpk6044 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM

    This is a no brainer: the Redskins will trade second and fourth round picks for Orton, sign him to an $80 million contract, call him fat and out of shape (with a bad haircut to boot) and ill-suited to run the Shanahan Offense and promptly cut him in 2012. Book it!

  14. bigtrav425 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:05 AM

    Well atleast im not a broncos fan.Tebow will last a half season as the starter,maybe the whole yr if they are going to be that bad so they can get a high draft pick

  15. bigtrav425 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:05 AM

    Oh and i agree No way they get a 2nd rounder for Orton

  16. bobinpuertorico says: Jan 4, 2011 10:12 AM

    This is not about Orton leaving, this is all about who is coming to Denver. The Broncos are working on a package deal to get Harbaugh and Luck. In order to do this they need to swap picks with Carolina. Moving Orton will clear a QB spot and provide some ammunition for the trade with Carolina. If they can get a second, great, but a third might be more likely.

  17. crazycane says: Jan 4, 2011 10:12 AM

    2nd round pick? That’s bananas’s!

  18. jlb10 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:13 AM

    @ kellyb9 not for a second round pick and $8.4M. 3rd and 1/2 that salary maybe

  19. joetoronto says: Jan 4, 2011 10:15 AM

    Who exactly is it that’s asking for a 2nd round pick anyway?

    Is it Elway, who supposedly doesn’t have any GM duties?

    Is it Pat Bowen, who’s incapable of making decisions anymore, due to mental illness?

  20. awdlmd says: Jan 4, 2011 10:16 AM

    Tebow will be the Broncos starter in 2011. The fans demand it and Broncos management does not have the fortitude to go against fan sentiment. They gave up a lot for Tebow and need to recoup something for Orton. Face it, Orton is the best veteran QB available on the market. Look at the other choices: Kolb, McNabb, Delhomme, A. Smith, Palmer? Except for Kolb, Orton is clearly better than any of them. Kolb may be close but Orton is more developed. Broncos need to get the most they can out of Orton, trade out of the #2 spot for more pickes then pick up all the young defensive talent they can. Denver fan expectation for Tebow is stratoshperic right now. After a year or two it will come down to earth and it will be easier to sell going a different direction if the team wants.

  21. polegojim says: Jan 4, 2011 10:22 AM

    Gregg – here’s my Orton beef – he won’t win you anything, he’ll only ‘not lose’ most of the time.

    I’d rather invest in Tebow, with Quinn… or McNabb, than be guaranteed mediocrity.

  22. joetoronto says: Jan 4, 2011 10:31 AM

    dannywoodhead1 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM

    seriously, a 5th at best for orton.

    cassel was traded for a 2nd, orton isnt close to what cassel is.
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    You see a big difference between the two, do you?

  23. joepags says: Jan 4, 2011 10:36 AM

    lets see, they want to get rid of orton for a career backup QB like tebow?!? really? no wonder they cant win in denver.

  24. baddegg says: Jan 4, 2011 10:42 AM

    jpk6044 says:
    Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM

    This is a no brainer: the Redskins will trade second and fourth round picks for Orton, sign him to an $80 million contract, call him fat and out of shape (with a bad haircut to boot) and ill-suited to run the Shanahan Offense and promptly cut him in 2012. Book it!

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    Sadly, I could see this happening. The Redskins should just offer Denver McNabb, Haynesworth, a 5th round pick, and a ham sandwich for Orton. Actually that would be a good deal for the Redskins cuz they are jettisoning Al and Donovan anyway. Losing the ham sandwhich woudl hurt though.

  25. richm2256 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:59 AM

    baddegg says:
    Sadly, I could see this happening. The Redskins should just offer Denver McNabb, Haynesworth, a 5th round pick, and a ham sandwich for Orton. Actually that would be a good deal for the Redskins cuz they are jettisoning Al and Donovan anyway. Losing the ham sandwhich woudl hurt though.
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    Post of the day!

    Re; Orton……. he’s a peculiar quarterback. Sucks just enough that you know you can’t hang a season on his arm and makes you want to get rid of him, and he’s just good enough that you think you can’t do any better for the money.

    When you settle for the latter, you just know in your heart you’re not competing for the Super Bowl. Cut him loose but get what you can for him; he’s better than what several teams have already.

  26. iwishiwasindc says: Jan 4, 2011 11:03 AM

    SOMEBODY please take Mc_why-can’t-you-NABB-it-from-a-yard-in-front-of-your-feet. Just make him go away…said it in summer, will say it again…..(with “The Scream” painting face)…NOOOOOOO….Jeff George redux!

    Good luck, Denver.
    Hopeful HAIL!

  27. awdlmd says: Jan 4, 2011 11:09 AM

    polegojim: Must not have caught too many Broncos games this year. Their defense and runnning game aren’t even NFL quality. Give Orton even an average team and he wins.

  28. pjcostello says: Jan 4, 2011 11:24 AM

    Why the big deal about Tebow learning a new system? Won’t Colt McCoy have to do the same thing? Won’t whomever winds up as the 49ers QB have to do the same thing? Ditto Carolina, et al.

    You people have a thing for Tebow. Maybe you should just get a room and be done with all of the “articles” and faux concern.

  29. phinfan says: Jan 4, 2011 11:34 AM

    Book the plain ticket to Miami.

    Championship

  30. universalcynic says: Jan 4, 2011 11:45 AM

    Cute use of bullets, they seem to be in order of least to most moronic.
    1. In case you haven’t been paying attention, John Elway and Brian Xanders will form the brain trust of the Denver organization at this point. They don’t need a coach in place to make any decisions regarding Tebow or Orton since it’s clear that the coach will not be autonomous. They just need to pick the right coach who will have to work with Tebow. The answer is “yes, of course” because the defense is a mess and that side of the ball needs even more help than young Tebow. But you knew the answer to this question.

    2. You know (or maybe you don’t) that asking for a 2nd rounder and getting one are two different things. You might also know (or not) that any trade chatter is pure speculation right now. If you read the article you linked to, it said “Orton is too good to be a back up, so he will likely be traded. The Broncos will ask for a 2nd round pick.” Point is they’d be happy with a 3rd or 4th considering the fleece job Joshie did to the latter part of the draft.

    3. Keeping Orton at 8.4 mill as a backup is short sighted. (Oh, and by the way Orton is only guaranteed like a 1/4 of 8.4 mil.) Identifying assets to improve your team like trading Kyel, again, not shor sighted. Trying to make your number 1 QB pick work is not short sighted. There will be a more affordable vet backing up Tebow not named Orton, don’t be obtuse. Of course there will be another QB option, it just won’t be at a crazy price. Heck even Quinn is on the books for less than half a mil.

    4. A point based on a possibility. AKA pissing in the wind. Orton would have to do the same thing, unless they keep the same offense, which they won’t, so what is your point again?

    5. More speculation about motivating players when it’s clear you’ve never had to do so.

  31. purpleguy says: Jan 4, 2011 11:59 AM

    Please not Minnesota. . . . Unless maybe it was for Lord Favre and a PBJ sandwich.

  32. cambodianbreastmilk says: Jan 4, 2011 12:46 PM

    Orton is still a starter for several teams in the league. Arizona or SF could use him for sure.

  33. rick1922 says: Jan 4, 2011 12:58 PM

    The most they would get for Orton will be a third rd. pick and maybe not even that.

  34. pamiho3233 says: Jan 4, 2011 1:08 PM

    I think a second is justified. Orton led the league in passing yards up to the final quarter of the season. 20/8 TD to int ratio is better than most in the league. You’re not going to get a better QB in the second round, not that is ready to start. I think Orton would fit in very well in Tennessee if the Titans decide to keep Fisher and show V. Young(child) the door. Orton is a superb pocket passer, extremely accurate and will do major damage with a great running game. He led the league in passer rating off play-action. Not bad for a guy whose team was dead last in running the ball.

  35. kimcon22000 says: Jan 4, 2011 1:16 PM

    The Redskins should just offer Denver McNabb, Haynesworth, a 5th round pick, and a ham sandwich for Orton. Actually that would be a good deal for the Redskins cuz they are jettisoning Al and Donovan anyway. Losing the ham sandwhich woudl hurt though.

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    Keep the ham samich’ and replace it with a tofu burger and it evens the deal a little ………..

  36. bignflfan99 says: Jan 4, 2011 1:35 PM

    The guy wins games. Not easy to do in the NFL.

  37. packerrube13 says: Jan 4, 2011 1:51 PM

    pamiho3233 says:
    Jan 4, 2011 1:08 PM
    I think a second is justified. Orton led the league in passing yards up to the final quarter of the season. 20/8 TD to int ratio is better than most in the league. You’re not going to get a better QB in the second round, not that is ready to start. I think Orton would fit in very well in Tennessee if the Titans decide to keep Fisher and show V. Young(child) the door. Orton is a superb pocket passer, extremely accurate and will do major damage with a great running game. He led the league in passer rating off play-action. Not bad for a guy whose team was dead last in running the ball.
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    I read these posts to see what kind of idiotic comments these unemployed “fans” write from their mom’s basement. But this is a GREAT comment. Used factual data and common sense at one time. THIS is the comment of the day. Orton may not have upside, but he is above average. And when you can win superbowls with Brad Johnson, Dilfer, and Big Ben before he was good, then you can win with Orton. They had a terrible supporting cast out there and a terrible coach. In Tennessee he would be great. CJ is always a threat, and the leagues best statistical play action quarterback would be even better with it. Then he has Scaife Britt Gage etc to throw to. Well done sir. This sounds like a win win situation for Orton and the Titans.

  38. hobartbaker says: Jan 4, 2011 2:21 PM

    Respect for Orton. I think his career winning percentage is still better than Neckblubber Cutler’s. Plus his passing numbers have been just as good since the trade. And he is the same age. And he is far less of a pain in the ass to be around. Kyle was top 5 in league passing for most of the season, until he wore down under the constant pressure.

    By the end of the year, I think at least half the teams in the league were going with a second or third stringer at QB, or a raw rookie. Every team wants at least two dependable QBs.

    Kyle is worth AT LEAST A SECOND ROUND PICK. Otherwise go back to Joe Webb, John Skelton, Colt McCoy, Jimmy Clausen, Troy Smith, Charlie Whitehurst, Stephen McGee, Brian Hoyer, and all. Orton is too good for your team, schlepps. You don’t deserve him even if you get him.

  39. FinFan68 says: Jan 4, 2011 2:33 PM

    As a Dolphin fan, short of snagging Mallet in the draft, Orton as the starter with Henne as a back-up could be productive next year. Orton does not have the greatest arm but he makes a lot fewer mistakes than Henne. A decent OC + Orton and an average draft would be better than what they are dealing with now.

  40. baboushka says: Jan 4, 2011 2:50 PM

    Let me get this straight. Broncos have 3 QBs (Orton, Tebow, Quinn). All are young and can be developed. All were winners in college. All but Quinn have demonstrated some success at the pro level. Tebow has huge upside on leadership intangibles. Much lesser gifted QBs have won Championships & SuperBowls in the past. Denver is nuts to change this picture to take a huge gamble on Luck or any other QB at the number 1 pick!

    Denver desperately needs help on defense. That is what continually sabotages them. I would definitely trade Orton (the most tradable of the 3) to get the picks to take the best impact defensive lineman or linebacker in the draft! Or to stock up on 2nd or 3rd round picks where real defensive gems are mined. Anything else would be suicide for them. That team isn’t that far away, if they can fix the defense side of the ball. They can score plenty with Orton or Tebow. Unfortunately, they can’t stop an old Nun in football pads on “D”.

  41. djrando7 says: Jan 4, 2011 2:50 PM

    I am a DIE HARD Broncos fan. From the beginning of the 09 season, Orton has NOT been the problem with the Broncos. Is he immobile, YES. But so is Manning, Brady, Favre, Brees, and Rivers. This means absolutely nothing. He is deadly accurate. He did not get “MOST OF HIS YARDS FROM SCREEN PASSES” You obviously don’t know the team if you state this. He was airing the ball out all year.

    Orton only had TWO bad games this year….TWO, and guess what, he was hurt! WOW, you didn’t know, well then stop trying to put all the blame on Orton.

    The only reason that Orton sat the last three weeks was because, as an orginization, the Broncos needed to see what they had in Tebow. He has intangibles that they obviously like. Orton is a pure passer, and the Broncos have been looking for the second coming of Elway. Elway endorces Tebow.

    In short, anyone that gets Kyle Orton will be extremely happy with their purchase. He is worthy of a EARLY second. He can start right away, and make any team better. Give him half the defense that he DID not have in Denver, and he will lead your team to the promise land.

    Good Luck Kyle.

  42. baboushka says: Jan 4, 2011 3:08 PM

    “djrando7 says:
    Jan 4, 2011 2:50 PM
    In short, anyone that gets Kyle Orton will be extremely happy with their purchase. He is worthy of a EARLY second. He can start right away, and make any team better. Give him half the defense that he DID not have in Denver, and he will lead your team to the promise land.”

    I totally agree with you. All Orton did was win in Chicago too. In fact, The Bears regressed backwards initially after trading him. The first 5 players drafted by the Broncos need to be impact defensive players. And they should speed up the process by luring Big Al Haynesworth to town to team up with Champ Baily and Elvis.

  43. djrando7 says: Jan 4, 2011 5:27 PM

    baboushka says:
    “And they should speed up the process by luring Big Al Haynesworth to town to team up with Champ Baily and Elvis.”

    I agree with you on everything except for Haysworthless. He needs to be in a 4-3, and if we were to get Harbaugh, he runs a 3-4, and Haynesworthless can’t, and won’t work in our defensive scheme.

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