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Comments from Jerry Richardson, Jerry Jones suggest lockout is coming

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In two months, the current labor deal between the NFL and the players’ union will expire.  Despite some optimism in November and December that the two sides were making progress toward a new agreement, the new year has brought a new sense that trouble is coming.  Soon.

Liz Mullen of SportsBusiness Journal reports that no negotiations are scheduled, a depressing reality with only 60 days remaining before the labor deal ends.  Earlier today, Panthers owner Jerry Richardson expressed pessimism regarding the pace of the discussions.  (Said the league in response to Richardson, via NFL spokesman Greg Aiello:  “We understand and share Mr. Richardson’s disappointment in the lack of engagement by the union and the slow pace of the negotiations.”)

Perhaps the most telling observation in recent weeks drew far less attention that it deserved.  In the web-only version of a 60 Minutes interview featuring Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, reporter Scott Pelley asked Jones if a lockout would be “disastrous” to the league.

No.  I do not,” Jones said.

He may be right, but it’s not something that any owner should be saying, in our view.  It creates the impression that the owners are willing to force a lockout to get the concessions they want from the players.  And it validates the rhetoric from NFLPA executive director De Smith that a lockout is coming.

The problem remains that, with the owners wanting the players to accept a smaller piece of the financial pie in the hope that a bigger pie will be grown, the players have no reason to blink until they start losing money.  While the owners can point out that money will be lost by everyone during an offseason lockout, players won’t truly feel the pinch until they stop getting paid.

And they won’t stop getting paid until September.

So this one may not end until September.  At the earliest.

The good news, if there is any?  While Richardson claims that the owners remain united, divisions may arise regarding the urgency to get a deal done without a lockout that results in a reduced offseason and/or training camp.  Teams breaking in new coaches won’t want to defer all contact between the new coach and his new team until the players cry uncle after missing two or three pay days.

Of course, that may be why so few teams have fired their coaches, and why those that have are looking hard at internal candidates, in an effort to enhance continuity.  As more teams hire new coaches from outside the organization, more teams have a good reason to push for a deal to get done.  For now, it appears that only four of 32 teams will fall into this category:  the 49ers, Panthers, Browns, and Broncos.  Richardson will bite the bullet for the greater good, which means that as few as three teams will be inclined to push for a deal to be done long enough before September to permit the new coach to have some sort of meaningful impact in 2011.

And that means that this dynamic won’t create any enhanced pressure on the league to get something done sooner rather than later.

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72 Responses to “Comments from Jerry Richardson, Jerry Jones suggest lockout is coming”
  1. southyank7 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:31 PM

    a LOCKOUT will end alot of players careers…can you honestly see some of the OLDER veteran players coming back after an ENTIRE year off?

  2. vikesdynasty says: Jan 4, 2011 10:31 PM

    screw the owners and this whole lockout, its a friggin joke

  3. skoobyfl says: Jan 4, 2011 10:41 PM

    20% of the players earn like ~64% of the pay, the only player really losing is the one’s getting 1 year older.

  4. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Jan 4, 2011 10:46 PM

    “Liz Mullen of SportsBusiness Journal reports that no negotiations are scheduled, a depressing reality with only 60 days remaining ”

    Why does the NFL always do biz like this? I’ve always wondered why they wait so long to get rookie negotiations going and then they are shocked when there is a hold out. GET ON IT. Get it done. Good things come early, bad things late. Freaking life 101.

  5. gypjet says: Jan 4, 2011 10:49 PM

    Screw the owners. You got guys like the Carolina owner who won’t spend money to win, but he will be glad to lock players out so he can get more money to pocket.

  6. rolltidenj says: Jan 4, 2011 10:51 PM

    Millionaires fighting with Billionaires.

  7. 4sacroc says: Jan 4, 2011 10:51 PM

    vikesdynasty

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    That moniker is a joke!

  8. hobartbaker says: Jan 4, 2011 10:52 PM

    Jerry isn’t too worried. He, Al Davis, and most of the rest of the club will be no more or less undead a year from now as they are at the moment. Or a decade from now. Or a century.

  9. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 4, 2011 10:57 PM

    the same jerry jones whose comments suggested Wade Phillips wouldnt be fired before the end of the season. the one whose comments suggested that his team would be the first to play a home superbowl? that jerry jones? gotcha

  10. mean13 says: Jan 4, 2011 11:02 PM

    vikesdynasty says: Jan 4, 2011 10:31 PM

    “screw the owners and this whole lockout, its a friggin joke”

    Only a Vikings fan. Probably wearing one of those silly helmets with the yellow pigtails.

  11. jerryrice49er says: Jan 4, 2011 11:02 PM

    it is a joke .. these owners are greedy ! the only thing the nfl needs is a rookie wage scale that is it. they have the number 1 sport in the US and they are willing to blow it ! how can you even feel sorry for the poor whoa is me owners ! lol

  12. melikefootball says: Jan 4, 2011 11:04 PM

    Alot of fingers pointing toward owners, the players aren’t so guilt free here either. They always pull the trump card our careers are short. They get paid plenty for a short career which they choose at a young age to aim towards. This is greed by all and the league office doesn’t help as well.

  13. Deb says: Jan 4, 2011 11:06 PM

    Let me guess … which owners are most likely to start talking lockout … hmmm ….

    Jones and Richardson are all about themselves and how much money they can grab at someone else’s expense. They don’t care about the game, the fans, or the players. They care about the bottom line. And they’re outnumbering the longtime family owners like the Rooneys and Maras. They’ll butcher the golden goose for whatever they can get and never give the carcass a second thought. Watch the 30 for 30 documentary on Who Killed the USFL? and think Trump.

  14. dprouse says: Jan 4, 2011 11:14 PM

    The sad truth is that we are heading for a long, ugly lockout. It is hard to see how it can be avoided. Management has made it clear they want concessions, and the players won’t want to give any until they are forced to do so. That won’t come until perhaps October at the earliest. Unless the NFLPA suddenly decides to sue for peace in February, the owners will simply lock the doors for 6-8 months.

  15. bcknights says: Jan 4, 2011 11:14 PM

    It’s all about the money. The way I see it, the players are over paid any way. Try working 40 hrs a week for 8.00 hr. Then you can bitch. They get paid to play a game. Thats not a job, that having fun. If the players don’t like, well then go out and get a real job! I’m on the owners side.

  16. scytherius says: Jan 4, 2011 11:25 PM

    Just more billionaires fu***ng up something we love. To hell with the owners. Decertify and sue em for anti-trust violations. They wanna screw the sport? Let the sport screw them.

  17. jcupach says: Jan 4, 2011 11:31 PM

    Who’s side should I be on….the millionaires who get paid to play sports or the billionaires who want taxpayers to build their stadiums.

    Can we have the scabs back? Maybe then the Browns can make the playoffs.

  18. burntorangehorn says: Jan 4, 2011 11:37 PM

    Why is everyone blaming the owners? The players’ union should also bear a large degree of culpability here.

  19. deepbacksidedig says: Jan 4, 2011 11:42 PM

    Jones : “What you need to do is address a car wreck years before it gets there. That’s when you can do something about it.”
    “Basically, the model that we have does not work. The economic model of the NFL that we have, relative to the players does. Not. Work.”

    Cowboys salary: $ 146,401,600
    Patriots salary: $ 92,734,120
    Cowboy Stadium: $ 1,300,000,000
    Gillette Stadium: $325,000,000

    Now Jones complains the numbers don’t add up.
    Kraft has been a voice of reason, I hope some of the other members of this billionaire boys club are listening.

  20. rickah8888 says: Jan 4, 2011 11:46 PM

    Hey Jerrah, what was the pricetag on that new stadium again?

    OUCH….that one was for free!!!

  21. stanjam says: Jan 4, 2011 11:49 PM

    Wow, this whine fest between the players and owners is sickening and sad.

    The owners had better realize that a lockout would be VERY bad for them, as many fans may not want to come back, and at the very least may start boycotting goods in retaliation.

    The players had better realize how good they have it, and any deal will be tremendously better than no deal at all. When you are making millions, why squabble about thousands? You will still make out like bandits for playing a GAME!

    The fans are the only ones who have anything at stake. WE are the ones who will lose. If this comes to pass, I say that fans boycott ALL NFL products, as well as many product sponsors as they can until the pressure is on to get these boys to make a deal.

    Perhaps we should actually start that boycott SOON.

  22. rangenius says: Jan 4, 2011 11:52 PM

    Let them lockout, who cares. Bad enough NFL pretty much forces you to go to a bar or buy some 18 inch dish to watch the games. Screw the NFL!

  23. raideralex99 says: Jan 5, 2011 12:37 AM

    Nothing will happen until the last minute.

  24. privateg213 says: Jan 5, 2011 12:56 AM

    Do the owner remember what happen to baseball when they went out on strike over money. Baseball has just bearly recovered from that. The NFL will lose alot of fans because of this. I think its in both the players and owners to work together and settle this before that happens. Both are being greedy and need to think about the fans first. If you cut the rookie salaries where will the money go? Overpay veterans even more??? No!!!! Put the money back in the owners pocket??? No!!!! The money should go back to the fans who keep the sport alive and cut the price of tickets. The average family cant afford to go see a game. Why not make it more affordable for the fans, because we are in a depression.

  25. daffy87 says: Jan 5, 2011 1:23 AM

    It’s ridiculous, billionaires complaining they don’t make enough money so they’re going to deprive the biggest fan base in the country for a season? Forget your 18 game season and get the deal done owners committee. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, the league is making money hand over fist right now, a lockout would be moronic.

  26. timegambit says: Jan 5, 2011 1:28 AM

    It’s almost like the NFL feels guilty about their success and needs to self-destruct a little.

  27. dumbaseinstien says: Jan 5, 2011 1:29 AM

    Really, who gives a crap?! Either way, they are all just trying to figure out how to charge us, the consumers, more to watch. Do we really care if such & such player makes only 5 million a year instead of 10???? Either way, they are over paid & we are over charged!

  28. geetee52 says: Jan 5, 2011 1:39 AM

    With the exception of very few, these owners are not responsible for the growth and/or popularity of football. They have literally muscled themselves into the NFL and have made it their personal hobby. Part of the ‘kick’ for them is the competition between themselves and the players. They build monuments to themselves (stadiums) using our tax dollars, have guaranteed revenue from TV contracts that pay all their bills, and extort further money from the fans attending the stadium ‘experience’ with their $10 cups of beer and $5 hot dogs. ‘Security’ is the excuse they use to pat the fans down and make sure that dangerous bag of peanuts is not brought into their stadium. Of course they’ve even made a rule that disallows any further ownership in the mode of the Green Bay Packers to ensure we don’t intrude on their playground. The ultimate slap in the face to us fans is the almost-certain lockout…all because the unparalleled greedmasters can’t come up with a way to divide up all their billions. The players…and fans…have no real chance against the monopoly the owners have built, and that will continue to be the case until there is a real demonstration from the fans that they will just quit watching and attending. In other words…never.

  29. patpatriotagain says: Jan 5, 2011 3:04 AM

    koobyfl says: Jan 4, 2011 10:41 PM

    20% of the players earn like ~64% of the pay, the only player really losing is the one’s getting 1 year older.
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    which is reported to be 100% of all players. The ones losing out will be those trying to pay for new stadiums. Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, Woody Johnson, john Mara, etc. will be crying uncle before peyton manning. Billionaires have bigger debts.

  30. tompapp1 says: Jan 5, 2011 6:12 AM

    Whats has gone unsaid thus far is the reason the owners welcome a lockout is that the last time that happened they were able to use replacements then the fans couldn’t resist to get their NFL fix so they came out to watch the replacements live and on tv and the union’s position crumbled like an old cookie. The original union totally screwed the NFL players and they have never been able to recover from that betrayal. Unless the fans recognize that the owners will probably own the majority of the fault for this mess and not support the owners by supporting replacements players then the union has a chance to maintain what little power they have and perhaps gain some leverage.

  31. bucforever says: Jan 5, 2011 6:40 AM

    “A depressing reality” is the fans are the ones in the middle between a pack of greedy billionairs and abunch of needy millionairs. I can’t imagine a year without football!

  32. steelbreeze676 says: Jan 5, 2011 7:06 AM

    Get Falco in there at Quarterback. I love replacements.

  33. steelers6pack says: Jan 5, 2011 7:10 AM

    There is a lockout coming so get ready for nothing on Sunday afternoon! When Vikes hire a coach very quickly, Garrett to be named HC of Dallas shortly and Marvin Lewis re-signs tells me that owners want a person in place who already is the in the system and do not want to change anything. Teams that hire outside will have a hugh problem if there is only a8-12 game season.

  34. dragonhawke3 says: Jan 5, 2011 7:17 AM

    Hey, just pay the players what ever they want. Give the rookies the more money than you would a proven veteran and while you’re at it, pass on those costs to us fans because god knows, I am not paying enough for tickets to go see the games. and in case you don’t realize, yes, I am being sarcastic.

  35. thecgroup says: Jan 5, 2011 7:30 AM

    If the NFLPA wants every fan on its side, one demand will make it so.

    There is no reason why we fans should have to pay extra for different games… the comercials are the exact same ones throughout the game (with maybe 4 total being that of local broadcast). The union should demand access to all games for fans… if they do this, I doubt any fan will support the owners..

    NFLPA- look to your fan base for support…

  36. wetdentist says: Jan 5, 2011 8:12 AM

    owners want taxpayer-funded stadiums from the fans & non-fans alike (most of whom cannot afford tickets and jerseys); owners want 18 games without expanding the active rosters while many players cannot stay in one piece for 16

  37. ncswa says: Jan 5, 2011 8:14 AM

    Why does everyone always bash Richardson for not paying people. 1 out of 16 years is not the norm.

  38. bobbyhoying says: Jan 5, 2011 8:15 AM

    The NFL is an entertainment business. It’s been affected by the recession just like every other business. If some of the ownership groups lose more money by having a season than by skipping it, they’ll skip it under the current revenue split. Just because someone owns a sports team doesn’t mean the owners aren’t feeding it cash out of their pockets. How many of us would write a check every month to fund a losing enterprise just to make some fans and writers happy?

  39. SteelTown6 says: Jan 5, 2011 8:16 AM

    Of course there’s going to be a lockout, and it’s no surprise that Jerry Jones is “suggesting” it.

    He’s the greedy a$$clown who’s been pushing for it the most. He’s leading the charge and doing everything in his power to make SURE it happens.

    The players aren’t asking for another dime, but they’re the ones being portrayed in the media as the “bad guys” only because they belong to a “union”.

    Meanwhile the billionaire owners, aided by their “pretend-to-be-impartial” sock puppet commissioner, are spinning themselves as the poor hapless victims in all this, while they go out and build billion dollar shrines to themselves in the middle of the worst economic climate since the Great Depression.

    If that isn’t enough, there’s the ever increasing ticket, parking and concession prices that enrich the owners even more while leaving the average fan unable to afford to attend a game. And let’s not forget the now familiar “gun-to-the-head” approach employed by owners against local governments to rob the taxpayers out of stadium building funds.

    Cry me a freakin’ river Jerry…

  40. armchairgm9 says: Jan 5, 2011 8:35 AM

    It’s a good thing that the Carolina owner is one of the 2 biggest people in these negotiations. He’ll play an important role in instilling a sense of urgency into other owners.

  41. tantrim says: Jan 5, 2011 8:37 AM

    The only difference between a guy on the street and the star athlete is the NFL if there is a lockout and the players quit getting paid and they quickly will panic as their normally large bank rolls dwindles quickly. As one of those not making millions I for one done care if they ever play again.

  42. 12thstreetcompanies says: Jan 5, 2011 8:44 AM

    Jerry Richardson is nothing but an east coast version of Al Davis…Crack Pot. The league should start taking teams away from guys like those two.

    Jerry Jones on the other hand does know his stuff and he should worry. The reason why? Is debt service on the new monument he built.

    Jonesy built the greatest self reflection of masturbation ever. All that was proven is what a narcissist he is. This guy is beating the drum for an 18 game schedule. What does he get in return? One game. One game is not going to make or break Jonesy.

    Furthermore, I really do not believe all of the owners are collectively united on this. The League needs to step in and get this done or they will be making the same mistake as the others.

  43. burntorangehorn says: Jan 5, 2011 8:51 AM

    This might be a good opportunity for many fans to realize that college football is a superior sport with far superior tradition.

  44. bucsballer says: Jan 5, 2011 9:00 AM

    Owners are a joke now. U want more money do u rasie ticket prices and wonder y in this economy no one goes. Now u refuse to pay the players. Grow a pair u wussy

  45. abninf says: Jan 5, 2011 9:11 AM

    jerryrice49er says:

    it is a joke .. these owners are greedy !
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    Key word being “owners”. They bought their teams. We don’t live in freaking China or Venzulea, as much as a segment or our society wishes we were like them.

  46. 12thstreetcompanies says: Jan 5, 2011 9:11 AM

    For burntorangehorn:

    Its high time for the owners to start logging on to profootballtalk.com. They really need to know how the fan’s feel. For god’s sake the leagues broadcast partner owns the site. One would think that arrangement’s could be made for the owner’s to receive access.

    The Jerry’s keep playing a game of Russian Rullet. One day they are gonna end up with the bullet through there mouth’s.

    Oh, I forgot how the year ended for those two. The Jerry’s will never learn!

  47. melonnhead says: Jan 5, 2011 9:23 AM

    jerry jones is not one to put all of his eggs in one basket! he has many business interests, the cowboys may be the largest but it’s only one of many! as far as the stadium goes he got more for his money than the maras got for that failure of a monstrosity in new jersey which actually cost more than cowboys stadium did to build! they can’t even pay the light bill apparently!

  48. 8man says: Jan 5, 2011 9:26 AM

    burntorangehorn says:
    Jan 5, 2011 8:51 AM
    This might be a good opportunity for many fans to realize that college football is a superior sport with far superior tradition.
    ————————————————
    You mean a tradition where they don’t settle it all on the field and buffoonish old men run a cartel that freezes many schools out of any hope for a true competition for a national title? That tradition? It’s funny, because it’s brother sport, basketball seems to have it all figured out. Child….please.

    But it does occur to me that if you are fan of one of the 12 teams in the playoffs, there may be a little extra emphasis on winning it all this year, with the potential of there being no next year….

  49. theytukrjobs says: Jan 5, 2011 10:05 AM

    Players receive too much of a percentage of the revenue plain and simple. Bleeding heart liberals scoff when a CEO makes 5% of a company’s PAYROLL yet these same idiots come here and say it is okay for these guys to get over 50% of the TOTAL REVENUE because the company is owned by billionaire shareholders/sole owners.

    Typical braindead robotic liberal drivel if you ask me.

    If I were the NFL, I’d either go big or stay at home. If you are going to threaten a lockout, I would make it a permanent or extended lockout. Any player who refuses to accept our deal and disband the union must sit out of the NFL for a minimum 4 years or forever. Then replace them with fresh college, UFL, and CFL scabs and move on.

    The league would lose revenue by losing popular players. But in the long run they’d gain.

    The true battle though is for the hearts and minds of the fans. If fans come away hating on owners they might spend their dollars elsewhere.

  50. djp141 says: Jan 5, 2011 10:07 AM

    Make no mistake, Jerry Richardson is speaking for all the owners. He is their designated bulldog for this issue. Hell, he threw away the Panthers’ season just to prove the point. All this after paying Julius Peppers and Jake Delhomme crazy money.

  51. 12thstreetcompanies says: Jan 5, 2011 10:34 AM

    For djp141:

    Mark Murphy the CEO of the Packers is the lead negotiator for the owners. Not only is he a former player, college AD and player rep. He is a former Anti-Trust lawyer for the US Department of Justice.

    Murphy was plucked out of obscurity in 2007, the great one’s final season in Green Bay out of Northwestern.

    The Packer’s had a new CEO and all of the sudden he was let go and a new search was conducted that brought Murphy in.

    In 2006 the new CBA was signed. Mark Murphy was not hired out of obscurity as a fluke. The plan all along was to bail on the CBA this year by the owner’s. Murphy was brought in and placed in a powerful position for a reason.

    The former commissioner Paul Tagliabue was a former Anti-Trust lawyer for the U.S. Department of Justice . Go look it up. There is a reason the NFL plugs these types of guys into spots like these. It’s for labor negotiations.

    The last NFL anti-trust suit resulted in a loss for the league and was very costly. Although the damages awarded were a pittance, the legal fees of such suits are exorbanent.

    Jerry Richardson can pretend to be whatever he would like the media and public to believe he is. Unfortunately for JR, he is more hot air than anything else. If I recall correctly he never started on any of those Baltimore teams but when he was awarded the franchise he certainly had no problem showing off his achievements.

    The NFL is not known for committing its sin twice. There is a reason for Murphy being in Green Bay. That is to keep the owner’s in check during the negotiations. The guy who is gonna cut this deal is named Roger Goodell. Bank on it.

  52. chwtom says: Jan 5, 2011 11:16 AM

    I usually think when the federal government gets involved in things like this (like in the steroid hearings) it’s a bunch of blowhards trying to get facetime about a popular subject.

    In this case, I’d like to see the Senate/House get involved and threaten the anti-trust exemption if these clowns don’t get something done.

    This is not a negotiation. It’s two toddlers holding their breath to try to get their way. If they don’t start breathing/talking, everyone will lose.

    Negotiate! I’d love to hear that they spent a week holed up in a hotel trying to reach a middle ground, not that they haven’t talked in months and won’t until it’s too late to play the season.

  53. djp141 says: Jan 5, 2011 11:53 AM

    From Street & Smith’s Sports Business Journal:

    “Richardson is right there with Roger Goodell in shaping the league’s labor negotiating strategy, he’s clearly engaged day to day, he’s tough and he has vowed to lead the charge for his colleagues to “take our league back.” Quiet and behind the scenes, Richardson’s forceful role is often overlooked.”

  54. 12thstreetcompanies says: Jan 5, 2011 12:58 PM

    For djp141:

    Thanks for proving my point. Your source is an industry media outlet. The source is identifying JR as the great protagonist for his colleagues. The real brains behind deal getting done successfully is Goodell and his crew.

    Thanks for being my fact checker but just one question. Who buys subscription from your source? Team executives, sponsors, agents and media, again thanks for proving my point.

  55. 12thstreetcompanies says: Jan 5, 2011 1:14 PM

    For chwtom:

    The last time I looked at this, the Federal Government has nothing to do with the negotiations. Some of the men associated with the though have legal training as employee’s of the Federal Government. It is a great training ground to hire these men to do the job of CEO because they know how not to become the next Enron or Arthur Andersen.

    Furthermore the NFL is not Anti-Trust Exempt. Only MLB is exempt. The House/Senate can only hold hearings on the MBL not the NFL . You can check on that. The NFL can be sued for Anti-Trust violations just like any other corporation.

    The Senate and Obama have gotten nowhere on fixing College Football anyway. They need to take baby steps.

  56. dallasbaby says: Jan 5, 2011 1:24 PM

    rangenius says:
    Jan 4, 2011 11:52 PM
    Let them lockout, who cares. Bad enough NFL pretty much forces you to go to a bar or buy some 18 inch dish to watch the games. Screw the NFL!

    *
    *
    How on earth do you figure that? Did an NFL henchman come to your house, grab you by the throat, and drag you to the bar? Did they hold a gun to your head and MAKE you buy a satellite dish? I don’t know where you’re located at but I’m in DC and I catch the majority of my Cowboy games on TV, provided the Deadskins aren’t playing at the same time. Screw the NFL? Fine, go watch curling or some equally entertaining “sport.”

  57. djp141 says: Jan 5, 2011 2:17 PM

    So is it your contention that Jerry Richardson is spouting of at the mouth all on his own?

  58. Deb says: Jan 5, 2011 2:32 PM

    @burntorangehorn …

    Since college football reigned for generations in the South long before there were any pro teams here, I have to listen constantly to college fans bashing pro ball. I love college ball, but have long preferred the pro game. If you don’t that’s fine. What the college proponents in my circle can’t seem to get through their thick heads is that we’re all entitled to our own likes and dislikes.

    This labor negotiation is a serious situation that not only affects the fans, but the livelihoods of hundreds of people and the futures of the college players you so admire. We’re not going to suddenly decide the college game is superior because of these labor issues. College ball has issues of its own. So if you don’t have anything constructive to offer on the subject, please just stick to CFT.

  59. edgy says: Jan 5, 2011 4:01 PM

    That’s right blame the unions for all the problems in sports and this country. Not the guys who get others to build their palaces and give them tax breaks and pay them billions of dollars to televise their sport BECAUSE of the players or do you think that these same people would pay the NFL owners the same kind of money to broadcast the Arena League? Oh, wait, they wouldn’t even pay them ANYTHING when the NFL owned Arena teams. They got nothing in rights fees and split whatever profit that they made from selling advertising.

    Anyone who claims that it’s just a game and it’s fun either never played even high school football or they don’t remember what it was like to be at practice every day because I damn sure don’t remember them being “fun” and I know that my coach wouldn’t have expected ANYONE to think of them as fun. Plus, if you think being permanently being disabled and unable to get health insurance, AT ANY COST, is fun then you really don’t have a clue.

    Jerry Jones and the new owners are ruining this game. They get cities to build their palaces and make tons of non-NFL related money that they don’t share with the players or the other owners and then get pissed off when smaller cities won’t come up with the ransom money to do the same for those teams.

    The owners want the players to give back more of their share of the revenue and YET, they want to use it to build palaces with that revenue and keep it separate from the players and owners and then bitch about how they have to use more of their NFL revenue to pay for expenses, while they have tons of non-NFL revenues that they can keep separate and claim “poverty” because the typical fan will take their word and not look at where they’re hiding their money.

  60. avrus says: Jan 5, 2011 4:29 PM

    Make no mistake, any sort of lockout or labour disruption will cause damage to the league and viewership that will take a decade or longer to repair.

    It happened before to the NFL. It happened to the NHL and it happened to the MLB.

    The last thing any owner should be driving for when the sport is at it’s height of popularity is a disruption.

  61. edgy says: Jan 5, 2011 8:22 PM

    Really? The NFL didn’t take a decade to recover from their last strike. A couple of my friends that swore up and down that the NFL was dead to them were watching the games the day after the strike was over and they weren’t the least bit apologetic about their hypocrisy.

  62. turfdaddy says: Jan 5, 2011 9:03 PM

    First of all, the owners are owners. They may be billionaires but they are the ones taking the financial risk. Any business owner has the right to make as much or as little as they want. Why do the players have the right to “demand” 50-60% of the revenue toward their salaries? I can’t walk into my job tomorrow and say, “Hey, I don’t think I earn enough…as a matter of fact, I want HALF of all the revenue generated to go toward the salaries of me and my other teamates that work with me?”

    Although I don’t want to see a lockout or a strike, the owners have to get their costs under control. Everyone that is in the business world knows your labor expense is the majority of most business. The players are the products like it or not. They made a choice to become a professional football player. They get both the good and the bad of that. Yes their careers are short. However, if they play five years in the league they get a pension. If they play five years in the league, they have probably made more than most working people do in 30 years. How can the players complain about that?

    And yes, I am a PSL holder for the Panthers. Yes we sucked this year. And yes, Jerry Richardson probably put the league ahead of his own team. Good for him. If the league ends up like the NBA (paying players WAY too much money and all of it guaranteed) than the NFL will be gone.

    The NFL is the best pro sports product going. They need to find a way to make it work without simply passing that cost on to the average fan. My family is fortunate enough to have a few PSL’s and we do go to the games. But the average working fan may not be able to afford the $7 beer, $8 nachos and the $50+ ticket prices. Try taking a family of four to a game…bring your savings account.

  63. broncsfan says: Jan 5, 2011 9:06 PM

    I actually don’t think viewership would suffer too badly in the long-term even in the event of a full-season lockout. Other sports simply don’t measure up in the entertainment department (college would have a shot if its “postseason” didn’t render the vast majority of regular season games irrelevant to the national championship). And ESPN would hype the return 24/7 for nine months straight to help.

    That said, there is no conceivable deal that could be struck that would eventually make up for the owners the amount of lost revenue from just one season, even if they got everything they wanted. We’re talking the annual GDP of a small country just gone forever.

  64. edgy says: Jan 6, 2011 1:08 PM

    turfdaddy says:

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    You mean like the Bears, who may or may not have paid $100 for their franchise? Or the other franchises that are still in their original family hands and who paid less between $2500 and $50,000 for them? You mean the franchises that got tax payers to pay for their luxury palaces and they make all that non-NFL booty that they don’t share with the other owners and players? You mean the franchises that cost less than $1 billion to buy and whose cost was spread out between more than one owner? You mean these guys that “risked” all that money? You do realize that these guys with all that risk used to own Arena Football franchises and were forced to close down the league because they had REAL risk and they didn’t have the quality of players that allowed them to squeeze out huge amounts of money from the television networks (and the network execs were laughing their asses off at the fact that these same arrogant asses had to come hat in hand to beg for the scraps that they got, which is a big contrast to how they treated these same network execs when they were negotiating for the NFL).

  65. Deb says: Jan 6, 2011 1:23 PM

    Watched a documentary on Steinbrenner last night. Apparently despite his love for the Yankees, they didn’t manage to win until he was banned from baseball. Made me think of Jerry Jones. Get him away from the Cowboys and they might win. But that’s their problem. Get that guy out of the CBA negotiations and we might have a chance at getting something done. That’s everyone’s problem.

  66. edgy says: Jan 6, 2011 4:24 PM

    Deb, they DID win before but he got free agent happy and that’s why they couldn’t win for years. Once he was removed from the day to day operations, his baseball people replenished the farm system, used their best prospects to build around and used their second tier and third prospects to get some guys like Clemens, who signed discounted free agent deals with their previous teams and made some cheap but effective free agent signings.

    The new guard is too powerful and unfortunately, if you get rid of Jones, there’s another greedy bastard to take his place. I think what WOULD get things done is if the owners were to share the non-NFL revenue with the players from the new palaces that they intend on building with the money that they want to take from them.

  67. Deb says: Jan 6, 2011 6:05 PM

    Well, like I said, don’t know much about other sports, but I’m really enjoying that 30 for 30 documentary series. Comcast has them all “on Demand” right now, so I caught the Steinbrenner one last night. Of course, I know Jones has won in the past, too, but he does seem to be the problem for the Cowboys these days.

    Yes, sigh. The new guard is too powerful. Of course, it’s always possible that a new owner could buy in who’d have a Rooney or Mara mindset and be content to get rich without needing to lay waste to everything to do it. But that doesn’t seem to be the way people want to go about making money these days. Interesting idea you have, but the operative word is share and that doesn’t seem to be in the owners’ vocabulary.

  68. edgy says: Jan 6, 2011 7:14 PM

    I’m not talking about Jones but Steinbrenner.

    I enjoyed the ones about Miami and SMU.

    The younger Rooneys and Mara aren’t in the same class as Art and Wellington and they’re closer to the dark side than you think and the next generation of those families could very well be one of Jerry’s Kids.

  69. Deb says: Jan 7, 2011 1:31 PM

    I knew you were talking about Steinbrenner–was just saying Jones was the same. He won once but seems to have lost the touch.

    Dan Rooney is even better than his father, Art, in terms of business acumen and diplomacy. But I share your concerns about his successor, Art II. When Goodell was being such an ass about his ridiculous fines, it was obvious Art II had no influence there. Dan came home from Ireland, met with Goodell, and the whole issue disappeared overnight. I realized then that when we lose Dan, we’ll be in trouble. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s difficult to teach people skills.

    Did you watch the documentary about the USFL? Very educational on many levels. What Trump did to them is what these new guys would do to the NFL. I’ve really enjoyed all of them. Ali, Iverson, Len Bias, Guru of Go, Red Sox, Evert & Navratilova, Ricky Williams, Marcus Dupree, Silly Little Game. The OJ one was really powerful–made me cry. Except for the Red Sox, there’s been something tragic or bittersweet about all of them.

  70. edgy says: Jan 7, 2011 3:52 PM

    I’ve seen them all and the one about the USFL was good. It’s unfortunate that the guy who had experience with asses that didn’t understand how to run a league, Bassett, couldn’t get the others not to listen to the sweet siren song of Donald Trump. He knew that if they were to succeed, they had to stay in the spring and continue to grow their product and he was going to start up another spring league but his health forced him into selling the Bandits and he died before the jury verdict so he never got a chance to tell the others how stupid they were to follow Trump’s lead. The Bandits were actually the most successful USFL franchise because they not only put a winning product on the field but they out did their NFL counterparts and kicked the Bucs asses. Bandit Ball was exciting to watch, even if you weren’t a fan of the team. Bassett had one of the more successful franchises in the WFL, as well, the Memphis Grizzles/Southmen.

  71. Deb says: Jan 7, 2011 6:32 PM

    Yeah, he seemed like a smart guy. Trump is such a jerk. Just seemed like a no-brainer that you wouldn’t go up against the NFL when half the owners couldn’t make payroll. But Trump had them drinking the Kool-aid. I’m afraid that’s what’s happening now in the NFL with the new owners.

  72. cowboyerik says: Jan 8, 2011 12:27 PM

    GREED, corporate or cartel, very American, I thought we were a “Christian” nation conservatives?

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