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Owens, Ochocinco chime in on Favre fine

Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco

Largely lost in the year-end shuffle was the NFL’s decision that quarterback Brett Favre failed to cooperate (i.e., failed to tell the truth) in the Jenn Sterger investigation, but that Favre should be fined only $50,000 because of it.  (We’ve previously argued that the outcome should have been much more severe, and we continue to stand by that.)

But no story is ever over until T. and Ocho have said their peace.

In the latest edition of their weekly sit-down-and-spew-nonsense session on Versus, which has been even more overlooked than most of the other episodes of the show, Bengals receivers (for now) Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco weighed in.

“Time and time again, I’m always gonna put one of us in the situation,” Owens said, “and if it was somebody else, this right here would have been dealt with early on.  What more can you get out of Brett Favre?  They fined him 50 grand, that’s nothing.  They just gave him 4 million extra dollars just to come back and play this year.  Do you think somebody’s gonna give me an extra four million just to come back and play next year?”

Ochocinco jumped in, and he seemed genuinely agitated.  “You know why?  You want me to tell you why?  You want me to tell you why?  Listen, and you better not edit this.  You wanna know why they won’t give you an extra $4 million to come back and play?  ‘Cause you’re black.  Period.  Case closed.”

Owens and host Kevin Frazier laughed out loud, and at first it appeared that Ochocinco was perhaps poking fun at T.O.’s habit of making everything about race.  But then it seemed that Ochocinco was dead serious, that he generally agrees with Owens’ views that race is at the heart of every actual or perceived disparity, and that Chad previously was discreet about his views because the season was still going on.

“If you wanna be honest, if you wanna be real,” Ochocinco said.  “The season is over.  We can’t get in trouble.  I will say what I please now.”

He can say what he pleases, but folks with common sense can choose to reject what he says as foolishness.  Favre got $4 million extra from the Vikings in 2010 because the Vikings believed at the time that they had a Super Bowl roster that lacked a Super Bowl quarterback, and because he was coming off one of the greatest seasons of his career.  Also, Favre was fined only $50,000 because he’s a future Hall of Famer, and (in our view) because the league didn’t want to make the situation an even larger story by imposing a much larger fine or taking away a game check or suspending him for a game he wasn’t going to play in anyway.

Why would the Bengals give Owens an extra $4 million to play for the team in 2011?  As a $1-million-per-win-in-2010 bonus?

Football is about winning.  And if the Bengals or anyone else believed that Owens dramatically helped the effort to win games and ultimately championships — and if he was coming off the best year of his career in a season that nearly resulted in a berth in the Super Bowl — he’d get an extra $4 million to come back.

The most disappointing aspect of Ochocinco’s remarks is that, like Owens, Chad apparently resorts to perceived racial biases whenever he finds himself faced with a factual situation that he’s neither willing nor able to fully understand and process.

At least T.O. is brave enough to use that crutch under circumstances where he possibly can “get in trouble” for doing so.

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  1. joetoronto says: Jan 6, 2011 7:27 AM

    “If you wanna be honest, if you wanna be real,” Ochocinco said. “The season is over. We can’t get in trouble. I will say what I please now.”

    This is how dumb these idiots really are. Kiss your careers good-bye, jackasses.

  2. xmgmx says: Jan 6, 2011 7:46 AM

    Poor Me. O., he’s been paid millions to tear apart teams, and he still whines like a little girl! When will this LOSER of a person shut his frickin mouth and just retire!

  3. Kaz says: Jan 6, 2011 8:20 AM

    Your wrong Flo. Race and perception play a huge role in things. Chad gets fined 50k for in game tweets. What is worse? You shouldn’t blindly dismiss what could possibly be true. Goodell has always been accused of coming down harder on black athletes. Hall of fame or no Hall of fame, if Farve was black, it’s likely he would have been punished harder.

  4. clusterpuck says: Jan 6, 2011 8:28 AM

    Racism? Do these jackholes know that 80% of the NFL is black?

    Do they know that Favre was one play away from taking his team to the Super Bowl last year and maybe, just maybe, that’s why they gave him extra money to come back?

    Most importantly, do they know that literally nobody watches their dumb show and that they are completely insignificant on the football field?

  5. fletcher08 says: Jan 6, 2011 8:33 AM

    Hey Kaz, oho also has several violations and the fines started out a lot smaller. Favre really has had many fines and also doesn’t blatantly thumb his nose at the Commish!

  6. fletcher08 says: Jan 6, 2011 8:34 AM

    Also think the league has taken a few steps backwards since Roger the Czar has been in charge.

  7. savocabol1 says: Jan 6, 2011 8:44 AM

    Farve did get special treatment but it is because it was Farve, not because he was white. Not everything in this world is about race. Besides, white players are a minority in football. Trying to say that black players are targeted more for fines is ignorant when they are clearly the majority.

  8. 2early says: Jan 6, 2011 8:52 AM

    I do not necessarily agree with T.Ocho pulling the race card here, but I do find the lack of consistency odd coming from the commissioner’s office. Fines for in game infractions aside, I find it curious that a significant part of the reasoning behind Vick’s suspension was described as his lack of cooperating with the league office (lying) about his horrific transgressions led to the punishment that was handed out to him. The fact that Farve lied to the same office and only received a $0.05 fine for the same offence only opens up Mr. Goodell’s reasoning to all sorts of conspiracy theories, whether they are real or perceived.

  9. maalea says: Jan 6, 2011 9:04 AM

    Christ, These clowns just don’t get it. The reason that Farve got extra money is the same reason that the Eagles and Redskins gave McNabb extra money. THEY PLAY QUATERBACK!!!!!! The most important position on the team. Fricken Aholes.

  10. smokehouse56 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:07 AM

    With liberals, it’s always about race, isn’t it. During the show I saw Ochocinco wearing a tee shirt with a picture of, you guessed it, Obama. I wonder what’s it’s like to have a mind as small as his. He is a racist to the core along with his hero pictured on his tee shirt. Both got to be where they are by being black. Racism is a way of life for some black. Hell, they voted for a black president by 98%. Now isn’t that racist? You bet it is.

  11. lucky5927 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:08 AM

    Kaz says:
    Jan 6, 2011 8:20 AM
    Your wrong Flo. Race and perception play a huge role in things. Chad gets fined 50k for in game tweets. What is worse? You shouldn’t blindly dismiss what could possibly be true. Goodell has always been accused of coming down harder on black athletes. Hall of fame or no Hall of fame, if Farve was black, it’s likely he would have been punished harder.

    ———————————————–
    Let’s see here, intentionally (and repeatedly) defying the commish’s rules on NO in game tweeting, or an alleged sexual harrassment case? Hmmm, I am so sick of the race card being played. Seriously, in this day and age, race is a non-factor in terms of how fines are handed out. Favre did a crappy thing…a few even. But never flat out defied the Commish’s good graces as repeatedly as Ocho-Cinco has. This guy’s talent once matched his antics. Now, he is just a regressing loud mouth who is clinging to any attention he can get. So sad that just can’t be about the Vikings desperately paying extra to bring back what they thought was the final piece of the puzzle. Bengals need to cut ties with him and move forward. And hope the rest of the league follow’s suit with avoiding this cancer of a football player.

  12. jcusa514 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:10 AM

    if i made the money these guys did i wouldn’t care if i was black, white, green, or purple.

  13. godofwine330 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:15 AM

    I’m Black, and I make it a point not to make race the first thing I go to when presented with a difficult situation, but sometimes it is race pure and simple. No Black quarterback would EVER be allowed to stay on the field no matter their on-field success with the amount of interceptions, especially the bonehead interceptions that Favre has thrown. Favre is a loose cannon who has led the league in interception 3 different times and on three other occasions has had more INTs than touchdowns. Every Black QB knows it as a fact that every interception may be his last, whereas Favre never had that fear, which makes him dangerous.

    Black quarterbacks have to be damned near perfect. They can’t be a gunslinger or take the chances that Favre has because they would be benched quickly. Is there a shorter leash on Black quarterbacks than White ones? Without a doubt. Not just from the coaches, but from the fans as well. We have come a long way in having opportunities for Black QB’s, but we most definitly aren’t to the point where the playing field is equal and we are allowed to make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. White QBs like JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Kyle Boller and others have a much longer chance to “get it” where Black QBs don’t get that chance. I hope we can get there one day, and soon. I often wonder which Black QBs would have blossomed if merely given more of a time to play.

  14. whynotusecommonsense says: Jan 6, 2011 9:17 AM

    If they really want to see if it’s a race thing then one of them should text pictures of their dong to a Bengals sideline reporter.

    But that wouldn’t work either since both of them are multiple time offenders of violations. Wasn’t this Favre’s first fine? These two are idiots.

  15. urworstnitemare58 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:18 AM

    We all saw how much better the Bengals were without these two jackholes.
    I hope that they are both cut and nobody picks them up so that they and their big fat egos will go away once and for all.
    Maybe instead of yelling race that you two prima donas start being team players instead of me, me, me!
    I stated all season that the Bengals and Palmer were a better team than their record and it showed the last few weeks when they did not play. Just imagine being in Palmers shoes with these two loud mouth has beens chiming in his ear every play as to why he did not throw their way. I observed it in the Steelers games and at one point an O lineman had enough of it also, and pushed Johnson and told him to STFU and take a walk.

  16. jcjets says: Jan 6, 2011 9:34 AM

    Its obviously a stupid comment, but I don’t get why you media types get so offended when people blame race. Is it really that hard to figure out why people do it? Its the easiest thing to blame! You really think these guys are thinking that hard about why the Favre situation is different?

    If you changed your tires yesterday, and today your bumper fell off, a lot of people would think the new tires had something to do with it.

  17. uncommon1 says: Jan 6, 2011 9:35 AM

    Why is it that you never hear Latinos or Asians, or White folk EVER talk or complain about race. I guess you have to be black to feel bad for yourself? Idiots like T.O. and Chad take away a lot of hard work that black people have done. It forces people like me to talk about race. I simply don’t care what a type of physical characteristics people have.

    Why did T.O. get paid all that money to go play for the Bengals? They wouldn’t pay me that much. It must be because I’m white

  18. shiftyshellshocked says: Jan 6, 2011 9:40 AM

    Well put savocabol1. These guys bring this on themselves. And the worst part about it is these guys make the rest of there brothers look bad. Cry racism, but these idiot’s bring it on themselves.

  19. help me says: Jan 6, 2011 9:46 AM

    Isn’t it funny how the Bengals played their two best games of the season without these two?

  20. jcjets says: Jan 6, 2011 9:49 AM

    @godofwine330 race does play a part in things everyday, there’s no doubt, but Favre is money in the bank to the NFL and the Vikings.

    Its easy to say black QBs get pulled faster than white QBs, but what about Matt Leinert, or Brady Quinn? These guys stink, but were never really given the chance to go out there and just totally suck it up without being pulled after an INT or benched after a bad game. Tavares Jackson has started more games (20) in the last 5 years, and is still with the team that drafted him, while Leinert started 17 for the Cardinals before getting cut. the difference? Leinert was making big bucks..

    Look at Mark Sanchez..he has had HORRENDOUS 4 and 5 INT games, and has yet to be pulled. The Jets stuck with him.

    I really believe its about the behind the scenes work ethic, and how these guys are in the locker room. If the team doesn’t see that commitment, they won’t stick with the guy.

  21. nationalmediacansuckit says: Jan 6, 2011 9:50 AM

    smokehouse56 says:
    “Hell, they voted for a black president by 98%. Now isn’t that racist? You bet it is.”

    And you or should I say “they” vote for a white president by 100% every 4 years. It’s funny when some whites get so angry when a black person mentions race, but haven’t and never will walk in the shoes of that person. Whether it’s an pro athlete or a high school janitor, you have no idea of that person’s struggles based on nothing more than his skin.

    Race isn’t always the issue, but it is sometimes an issue. Until you’ve walked by a car in a parking lot in broad daylight and heard the door lock as you walk by and many other instances keep your hatred to yourself.

  22. xxwhodatxx says: Jan 6, 2011 9:50 AM

    Godofwine330

    Did you ever think that it’s the type of person who gets more chances and not because of race,I don’t personally care for farve but early in his career he had success on and off for years, don’t you think it was the prospect of success he could bring that kept him with teams but you wanna play the race card. I guess Mike Vick got a signed again because he’s white.Pathetic

  23. steelnucs says: Jan 6, 2011 9:57 AM

    “You wanna know why they won’t give you an extra $4 million to come back and play? ‘Cause you’re black. ”

    No, the reason they won’t do that is because YOU’RE NOT WORTH IT. Not worth the me-first attitude, disrespect toward teammates and coaches, and all the other BS that comes along with you. Man, they just don’t come any more stupid than these 2 assclowns.

    JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Kyle Boller? How long did they have to “get it”? Are they currently starting in the league? If you’re good, you’ll stay around and start. If you’re not, you won’t.

  24. boblavoie says: Jan 6, 2011 10:10 AM

    GOD OF WINE SAYS: Favre is a loose cannon who has led the league in interception 3 different times and on three other occasions has had more INTs than touchdowns. Every Black QB knows it as a fact that every interception may be his last, whereas Favre never had that fear, which makes him dangerous.

    #######

    You make some excellent points regarding Black QBs and your reasoning is sound – but there are other factors that play in here.

    First of all, I’m “white” but you will find me denying this every chance I get. (My mother was Italian). AND it will be a wonderful era when there is no longer a distinction (especially in sports) where we use the words black and white. I hate this, as we are all human beings regardless.

    Now as to Farve – IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY IN THIS CASE. Unfortunetly the redneck/womanizer sells. As far as the fine goes, how can you put a price on stupidity?

    Race certainly comes into play only because we are conditioned as such. It is only after we break out of the darkness and educate ourselves do we see the light ((love, compassion, tolerance).

    As long as MONEY rules there always will be ignorance and therefore prejudice.

  25. really2011 says: Jan 6, 2011 10:17 AM

    smokehouse56 says:
    Jan 6, 2011 9:07 AM
    With liberals, it’s always about race, isn’t it. During the show I saw Ochocinco wearing a tee shirt with a picture of, you guessed it, Obama. I wonder what’s it’s like to have a mind as small as his. He is a racist to the core along with his hero pictured on his tee shirt. Both got to be where they are by being black. Racism is a way of life for some black. Hell, they voted for a black president by 98%. Now isn’t that racist? You bet it is.

    ————————————————-

    Not sure that race is the only issue (unless idiot is a race) but to behave as though we’ve reached the mountain top holding hands is a bit ignorant and naive. Race does still play a significant role in life. Favre is protected because he is Favre. The bigger question is would a black QB who has won 1 SB in 20 years and has been destuctive in 3 locker rooms all while ending promising seasons with dumb mistakes even be allowed to be Favre? That aside TO and Chad are idiots.

    Specific to the above comments – believing that Chad/TO/Obama got to where they are because they are black shows that racism still exists. Obama is very well spoken, intelligent, and managing a mess that was created before he got in office. Chad/TO at one point were two of the best in their profession (TO probably still is). None of that is because they are black.

    Signed Realistic Black Man

  26. urworstnitemare58 says: Jan 6, 2011 10:20 AM

    @nationalmediacansuckit,
    I know the feeling about the door locking.
    I’m white and ride a harley. If I’m at a store or some place and someone walks by, sees me, looks at my bike and turns around locks their car doors like I’m going to steal their 5k car while they are in the store.
    Just thought I’d let you know that it just doesn’t happen to minorities

  27. dogluverssuck says: Jan 6, 2011 10:27 AM

    IT’S ABOUT TIME!

    Ocho is absolutely right.

    Look at the jackasses who come on here anytime Vick name is even mentioned.

    It’s all about fear and insecurity when it comes to African American athletes and even in everyday life.

    The same thing happened in baseball and that’s why the majority of African American college athletes are skipping MLB and either playing in the NBA or the NFL, and that’s why baseball sucks now.

    If a stupid dog could play football, they would be the highest paid players in the NFL :)

  28. lucky5927 says: Jan 6, 2011 10:29 AM

    godofwine330 says:
    Jan 6, 2011 9:15 AM
    I’m Black, and I make it a point not to make race the first thing I go to when presented with a difficult situation, but sometimes it is race pure and simple. No Black quarterback would EVER be allowed to stay on the field no matter their on-field success with the amount of interceptions, especially the bonehead interceptions that Favre has thrown. Favre is a loose cannon who has led the league in interception 3 different times and on three other occasions has had more INTs than touchdowns. Every Black QB knows it as a fact that every interception may be his last, whereas Favre never had that fear, which makes him dangerous.

    ——————————————-
    Dude, you have to stop with this race crap. First, African America QB’s get much leeway as white QB’s. How else would you explain why Vince Young has had so many chances or why it took the Redskins 13 games into the season to pull a non-effective QB like McNabb. And like the readers said earlier, Quinn, leinart, and even Derek Anderson were cut/benched in favor of a undrafted rookie in Arizona… so I can not honestly agree with your statement. It is abour production, plain and simple! You produce, you start, you don’t, your benched/cut. Secondly, Favre has for a career 172 touchdowns more than interceptions. Not many QB’s can claim that. You say he led the league in INT’s 3 times.., I say he is one of four QB’s to lead the league in Touchdowns, FOUR times. I don’t think Brett Favre should be your ideal choice for an argument.

  29. dogluverssuck says: Jan 6, 2011 10:33 AM

    uncommon1 says:
    Jan 6, 2011 9:35 AM
    Why is it that you never hear Latinos or Asians, or White folk EVER talk

    _________________________________

    You are not paid Ocho money because you have no talent and being stupid doesn’t come with a special set of skillsets :)

  30. boblavoie says: Jan 6, 2011 10:39 AM

    PS: I almost watched the TORCHO Show last night but there was a good airforce movie on – “Pontius Pilate”!

  31. 706vet says: Jan 6, 2011 10:42 AM

    Please reread boblavoie’s comments at 10:00……..

    He capitalizes Black and then wants people to stop referring to himself as “white.” bob, please stay home the next Presidential election. Thanks.

  32. purpleguy says: Jan 6, 2011 10:54 AM

    Interesting issue and line of thought, it’s just too bad it’s brought up by a couple of attention-grabbing dopes, instead of a black NFL player that fans, the media and other NFL players actually respect.

    And the comment about Lord Favre being left in the starting line-up because he is white is about as ridiculous a comment as I’ve read in a while. It can only be assumed that the commenter isn’t a Viking fan, because anyone that watched the Vikings 2010 backup QB (who happens to be black — T-Jack), quickly learned that he was clueless and not a starting caliber QB. In fact, T-Jack kept getting second chances because Childress stubbornly refused to admit he made a lousy draft choice. It’s not like Favre didn’t have a career year in 2009, lead the Vikes to the NFC championship game or have a hall of fame carreer either. Geez.

  33. ripple30 says: Jan 6, 2011 11:00 AM

    you guys are all wrong Carson palmer has no arm strength anymore. Heck T O made him look good with them short throws if carson could throw down the field them Chad would of had a good season. Quincy carter black got put out league drugs aka weed, but matt jones still getting a shot he used cocaine but he was white, simms in Tenn white caught also usin drugs n pleaded guilty still in league and you say race dont play an factor.

  34. arnoldziffel says: Jan 6, 2011 11:00 AM

    Well, should I use Chad’s logic and say that the Bengals only won about 4 games this year because T.O. and Chad are black? That they would have won more if they were white?

    Probably not … but it makes about as much sense as Chad’s rant.

    The NFL is about winning, and the now Last Place Vikings thought they had a chance at getting to the big dance if they had Favre back at quarterback.

    I like Chad and I like T.O. but to use this silly race card excuse in this situation simply makes me want to yawn and move on to the next story here on PFT.

  35. jimmy1smith says: Jan 6, 2011 11:09 AM

    You wanna know why they won’t give you an extra $4 million to come back and play? ‘Cause you’re black.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Race had nothing to do with it. The reason is the ineptness of Childress and the Vikings. Childress knew in his heart of hearts that he was a pretender and not a real football coach. He was more than willing to turn over the entire football team to a sexting diva, it worked so well the previous season.

    When Favre realized on desperate they had become, it used it as leverage for the extra cash. So stupidity was the reason, not race.

  36. boblavoie says: Jan 6, 2011 11:11 AM

    Hey 706vet

    I capped black in response to Godofwine’s remarks. I really dont take pride in my “color” AND I don’t vote.

    from a Vvet1969

  37. coleton1 says: Jan 6, 2011 11:12 AM

    Favre sucks and so do both of you!!!

  38. bcgreg says: Jan 6, 2011 11:12 AM

    @godofwine330

    Don’t forget Jason Campbell as guy who keeps getting chances.

    I also notice how you didn’t mention Troy Smith in SF being yanked after a poor performance. Oh, that’s right, he was pulled by Mike Singletary, the black HC of the Niners.

    It’ about performance and character. Black QBs are getting the chances as much as white QBs (see Vince Young, Vick, McNabb, Campbell, Tavaris Jackson, Dennis Dixon & Byron Leftwich when Roethlisberger went down, David Garrard). Stop with this race nonsense.

    The subject of race will go away when blacks stop bringing it up as an excuse every chance they can. It will also go away when people in general stop making a big deal of race when something positive happens too (ie when Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy became the 1st duo of black HCs to coach against each other in the SB). I say “Who cares?” They’re both great coaches, not great BLACK coaches. Great COACHES!

  39. nationalmediacansuckit says: Jan 6, 2011 11:21 AM

    @urworstnitemare58

    I respect your comment, but I’m not naive enough to believe the door locking incident only happens to blacks. But here’s the difference. I was dressed in slacks and long sleave button up with a tie. The person saw me walking their direction as they were sitting in their car as I’m I’m making my way to the store. Bikers have always have a negative stereotype by no fault of your own. So are black’s stereotpye that bad that I seemed that threatning. Just so you know, this has happened on numerous occasions.

    I’ve saw whites commit the most horrible crimes, but all white’s aren’t murderers or rapist. But most whites put blacks in one catagory no matter the situation. You can’t judge a person until you’ve walked in their shoes. Like I said race isn’t always the issue, but it is an issue. Bottomline.

  40. ruvelligwebuike says: Jan 6, 2011 11:30 AM

    Funny story. My freshman year of college, I had a black female friend who lived down the hall. Her boyfriend was a 24 year old black dude who used to hang out in the dorms all day long, mostly ours. He’d drink our beer, smoke our weed, etc and we didn’t mind.

    One day my roommate walks in and he’s in there eating his leftover turkey from T-Giving. We both confront him about the fact that he’s 6 years older, no job, no education in here bumming everything from 18 year old, broke as hell college students. His response…

    “Man, you don’t know how hard it is to be black! I can’t get a job! I went to Byerly’s, I applied for manager, and they gave me GREETER!”

    In other words, they actually gave him a job. But he didn’t take it. He felt slighted that his application as BOSS of a multi-million dollar grocery store with zero education or experience wasn’t honored…of course, because he’s black.

    People pull the race card when they’re too unintelligent or self-absorbed to understand the true problems with themselves.

  41. 706vet says: Jan 6, 2011 11:36 AM

    Reread your post boblavoie.

  42. melikefootball says: Jan 6, 2011 12:00 PM

    Why is it, when nothing else gets attention, lets throw out the race card. These two guys are so full of themselves it makes OTHERS sick. Get real, please.

  43. nygiantstones says: Jan 6, 2011 12:15 PM

    “The most disappointing aspect of Ochocinco’s remarks is that, like Owens, Chad apparently resorts to perceived racial biases whenever he finds himself faced with a factual situation that he’s neither willing nor able to fully understand and process.”

    Says the white guy. Obviously there’s numerous factors involved here but if you think race isn’t part of it then you don’t live in America or the real world.

  44. johntonioholmes says: Jan 6, 2011 12:27 PM

    Oh christ. For the last time:

    Vick was charged and convicted of multiple felonies, and spent time in prison and he served what amounted to a 3 game suspension.

    Roethlisberger was accused twice of sexual assault–once by a women who was bragging about having his baby, and once by a drunk sorority sister who was wearing a tag that said “DTF.” He was never even charged, let alone convicted. Despite the obvious flaws in each allegation, and the absence of charges, Roethlisberger was suspended 6 games, but only served 4.

    Why was he suspended more games than Vick when, technically, he didn’t even do anything–that is, if you’re innocent until proven guilty.

    Bottom line–the NFL is a giant PR machine. The fines and suspension have nothing to do with race or even just retribution. Thay are just a way for Goddell to play CYA with the cameras.

  45. nesuperfan says: Jan 6, 2011 12:57 PM

    These guys are idiots. If they had great attitudes, and could both still play at or near their peaks, the sky would be the limit to their pay, but only compared to other wide receivers, not quarterbacks, let alone Favre, a fan favorite (at least in the past).

    QBs get paid more because it is harder to be great at. It is a matter of supply and demand. If you are rare, you are worth a lot of money. No one cares about color if you can play the game…just look at the NBA.

  46. mborz says: Jan 6, 2011 12:59 PM

    Kaz said: You shouldn’t blindly dismiss what could possibly be true.

    – – – – – – – –

    Following the same logic, Ocho shouldn’t blindly assume it’s true when it might not be.

    Right?

  47. pkrlvr says: Jan 6, 2011 1:06 PM

    LOL, so now the NFL is holding the black man down! Next we’re going to hear how the NBA is racist. These idiots shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion, let alone voice it.

  48. thedudesnotin says: Jan 6, 2011 1:51 PM

    Methinks Chad is pissed that Marvin wasn’t let go by Mike Brown and is now using his show to lash out.

  49. 2ndboot says: Jan 6, 2011 2:28 PM

    Using the analogy that black players get fined more often is kind of like saying white people in the US get run over by cars more often or stung by bees more often or struck by lightning more often.. Why? Simple.. there are a lot more white people in the US than black people just like there are more black players in the NFL than white.
    The top 6 paid WRs in the NFL in 2009 (salary cap wise) made over 55 MILLION dollars… That sounds real racist to me.. 6 guys paid 55 million to catch a ball. Ochocinco was in the top 10 of those players.
    He must suffer so badly when Mike Brown uses his whip across his back. In fact i think a documentary should be made to expose the abuse he must endure under such brutal working conditions and no doubt he lives in a vermin infested shack somewhere in Miami with armed guards making sure he remains oppressed.
    FACT: NFL players are NOT oppressed in any way, shape or form compared to ordinary citizens. They’re treated like royalty and pampered to the extreme and yet suffer the indignity of ‘racism’?

  50. 2ndboot says: Jan 6, 2011 2:34 PM

    If I were to negotiate Ochocino’s contract the first line would read: You may not open your mouth nor tweet in public unless given expressed written permission before hand and the words must be approved before hand. Any breech of the above is grounds for immediate dismissal without any compensation whatsoever.

    Then let him go on about how racist the world is to him..

  51. rezburna says: Jan 6, 2011 6:35 PM

    The Civil Rights Movements were during the 60’s, roughly 50 years ago. Those same white people who were pro-segregation are still living and breathing. They are the parents, grandparents, and even great-grandparents of the current generation. I don’t know about you, but my elders have a habit of wanting to enforce their beliefs on me. I think that’s pretty commonplace is most families. So to say race isn’t an issue is completely retarded. Race is an issue everyday all day. Me and my girlfriend were followed around a store in the mall the other day. White people lock car doors when they see me. White women clutch their purses a little tighter. Believe me, I’m most definitely not a menacing looking guy. Brett Favre’s biggest supporters are southern “rednecks”. How do I know? I’m from Mississippi. I played football against the very same High School Favre attended. I know how his biggest fans are. Yes the race card is very easy to throw out there. It’s thrown out there far to often, but I do believe T.O. and Chad are right. Call them “attention seekers” or what have you, these are two of the most productive and hard working players in the NFL. I read earlier posts about black QB’s. Vince Young has a winning record and excellent stats, yet he’s looking for a new team now. Jason Campbell got pulled after the first or second game. Donovan McNabb has been one of the best QB’s of the decade, yet he gets no respect. David Garrard isn’t the greatest QB, but he’s performed very well with the lack of talent around him. All of these players are on thin ice though. If Vick performs poorly and the Eagles lose the Wild Card game, I guarantee he will be too.

  52. espnfeedback says: Jan 6, 2011 8:27 PM

    Whenever I hear someone violently genuflect and attack anyone….and I mean.ANYONE(John Feinstein) ….who dares to point out the vestiges of slavery, Jim Crow, legal, social and state sponsored segregation that is still so obvious to and for African Americans in their daily lives, I should be surprised; but I’m not!

    Mike, do you guys just assume because it’s a game, a sport that football is somehow immune to human behavior and social forces I think you guys simply want so badly to believe that your world is so diametrically apposed to the world your parents and ancestors lived and created so you can feel good about YOUrselves. Therefore anytime someone, whether they are bombastic or serious social and cultural statesman, says anything that conflicts with your idealized world view it shakes you to your core and you don’t have the courage to even evaluate the merits of their comments.

    I think it’s time to have the Rooney Rule put in place at
    profootballtalk.com.

  53. vikester2010 says: Jan 7, 2011 12:53 AM

    I am glad this article posted, although I previously believed T.O. and Ocho were a little too fond of themselves but decent. I now clearly see how ignorant they are. It is beginning to become unbearable having to listen to the race card being thrown down every single time it can be used to benefit someone. I think racism absolutely stills exists and worse than ever, it has just turned the other way now. I am going to start saying “it’s just because I’m white!” every time I don’t get my way from now on.

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