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Reid tells McDermott his predecessor’s shadow was “too large”

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Just when some had begun to forget the stark say-one-thing-do-another example that Eagles coach Andy Reid provided when he insisted that Kevin Kolb would remain the starting quarterback of the Eagles two days before giving the job to Mike Vick, Reid pulled an identical maneuver this week.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, who broke the news on Saturday night that Reid had fired defensive coordinator Sean McDermott after two years on the job, mentioned during Sunday NFL Countdown that Reid publicly had said this week that McDermott will return.

In the end, Reid decided that, per Mort, that the shadow created by McDermott’s predecessor, Jim Johnson, was “too large in a place like Philly.”

In other words, the man who for years was able to thicken his skin and ignore the chatter is no longer willing to ignore the chatter.  Or maybe it was a convenient excuse.

Either way, Reid continues to prove that he can never be taken at his word.

Mort says McDermott could join John Fox in Denver or Ron Rivera in Carolina.  ESPN’s Adam Schefter mentioned that former Falcons and Seahawks coach Jim Mora could be a candidate to replace McDermott.

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  1. bigbear12 says: Jan 16, 2011 1:58 PM

    Poor excuse.
    He was tutored under JJ long enough, guy just didnt pick up enough or the players Reid gave him declined. Or both.

  2. pooflingingmonkey says: Jan 16, 2011 2:02 PM

    Not nearly as large as Reid’s shadow.

  3. mimitaroo says: Jan 16, 2011 2:03 PM

    What do you expect him to say?

    -We are going to fire him tomorrow.

    -We are going to start Vick (so the opposition plans against him)

    -We are looking to trade Mcnabb (so his trade value declines?)

    Of course he is going to lie.

  4. Darth Goodell says: Jan 16, 2011 2:04 PM

    Strange comment, considering Reid himself outweighs the rest of their coaching staff.

  5. anonymouslyanonymouscommentor says: Jan 16, 2011 2:05 PM

    “Either way, Reid continues to prove that he can never be taken at his word.”

    And you continue to act like this is such a terrible thing. His job is not to be straightforward with the media, his job is to run his football team. Obviously he wasn’t going to tell the media McDermott would be fired before the decision was made or McDermott knew himself.

    Reid doesn’t care about the media, or what they think of him. Get over it.

  6. pudgalvin says: Jan 16, 2011 2:08 PM

    This from the guy that has to wear a one-piece when he’s coaching.

  7. n0hopeleft says: Jan 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    Andy shouldn’t be telling anyone else that anything is too large.

    Andy, when’s the last time you saw CAPTAIN WINKEY?!?!?

    Have you seen your ASS lately?

    Philadelphia Eagles: Choke Artists of the Century!!

  8. bigtrav425 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:13 PM

    im a eagles fan but i think a change was needed but they also need more talent on the defense as well….Sometimes you cant replace veterans with cheaper younger guys.Nothing wrong with paying a guy here or there

  9. Moonman says: Jan 16, 2011 2:14 PM

    Reid would be better off just issuing a “no comment” on pending personnel decisions. Because he just makes himself look like a buffoon. Just this week McDermott is safe, and now he’s out of a job because the scrutiny is too much in Philadelphia? Uh, okay. Whatever.

  10. tbd3 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:15 PM

    Whether the shadow was too big or not, that defense has too much talent (Asante Samuel, Trent Cole are two of the best at their positions) to be the #21 and #19 scoring defenses the last two years, after being #4 in ’08.

    That unit has underperformed. McDermott deserved to be fired.

  11. joefromphilly says: Jan 16, 2011 2:15 PM

    I don’t get why you insist on trying to paint Reid as being any different from other coaches in this respect. Where is everyone calling out Jerry Jones or pat bowlen for saying their coaches were safe before firing them? Coaches lie and withhold the truth. It is part of the job. What good would it serve anyone to openly announce to the upcoming opponent, “hey, in case you were wondering who our starting qb will be next week, we are going to tell you, unequivocally, just so you’re not as stressed this week preparing for two qbs. ”

    You guys talk about the redskins saying they want to keep mcnabb and haynesworth, and point out the fact that Bruce Allen is lying for trade leverage. Yet you don’t paint them as a bunch of john Kerry’s the way you do to Reid. There is so much else to easily criticize about Reid that it seems like you have an active strategy concerning which lights you’d like to paint each NFL figure in, and roll with it.

  12. hobartbaker says: Jan 16, 2011 2:16 PM

    Only room for one enormous groundhog in Philly, and that’s Punksatawny Phat.

  13. joefromphilly says: Jan 16, 2011 2:18 PM

    Also, maybe we should take an example from the shining beacons of NFL honesty, the 49ers, and say “we don’t know who our qb is.” Because THAT helps with trade leverage and team morale. That team has certainly been winning plenty of superbowls the last decade or so under that approach.

    Oh wait, the NFL is about winning football games, not coaches getting gold stars next to their name on the chart So they can have the kick ball at recess.

  14. hobartbaker says: Jan 16, 2011 2:19 PM

    If the warthog sees your shadow you have 6 more weeks of work.

  15. funkylovemonkey says: Jan 16, 2011 2:22 PM

    In other words, Andy Reid should be more like Shannahan and Fisher. Both of them were upfront about wanting to get rid of their starting QBs, and just look how well it’s worked out? Now that everyone in the NFL knows that those teams are desperate to get rid of Vince Young and McNabb, their trade value has SKYROCKETED. If that rocket suddenly turns and plows into the ground.

  16. Moonman says: Jan 16, 2011 2:26 PM

    I don’t understand why people are defending Reid by saying he’s just simply doing or saying the same thing other coaches do. Or that the questions are too pointed, so how else is he supposed to answer them.

    Well, um, this doesn’t really happen with any other coaches in the sport. No, it’s not because they have it out for Reid. The type questions he seems to be bungling are asked of all coaches, and it just appears as if he’s not nearly savvy enough to deflect them.

    Also, he’s made this bed. The media knows to ask him questions designed to illicit a response on need-to-know information because in the past he’s volunteered answers that he’s gone completely back on just days later. He’s a golden goose for headline fodder.

    It’s the same reason the media haunts TO with carefully constructed questions, knowing ANY Owens response is likely going to have a soundbite in it. (No, I’m not comparing the two men, just the way the media handle them).

  17. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 2:30 PM

    Asante Samuel was our hardest hitter this season.

    Someone has to lose their job over that.

  18. hobartbaker says: Jan 16, 2011 2:36 PM

    Punxsutawney Phil is accurate 39% of the time according to historical records. Not great, but still more reliable than Andy Reid.

  19. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    Fire Andy Reid….McDoormat had to go yes, but it’s Reid’s team, it’s Reid who year after year doesn’t learn from his mistakes, Reid who ends up with the same result and takes no responsibility, Reid who has wasted draft picks, and don’t tell me this defense is talented, it’s not. All Reid Banner and Lurie are worried about, is making the playoffs, making money, and the status quo. The Eagles will NEVER EVER WIN A LOMBARDI WITH REID AT THE HELM…. Why can’t you idiots realize this? Don’t give me this crap of how it was before the 3 stooges arrived, it’s been 12 years, and alot of those years the NFC east was a cakewalk, Reid, along with the two other idiots, are laughing all the way to the bank….Amazes me that Eagles fans still think he has what it takes…….HE DOSEN’T

  20. newagerocker says: Jan 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    Andy is never going to tip his cards towards the media, ever. And Im OK with that as long as he starts winning championships.

  21. joefromphilly says: Jan 16, 2011 2:40 PM

    Moonman says:

    “Well, um, this doesn’t really happen with any other coaches in the sport.”

    Do you watch football?

    Broncos won’t trade Cutler.

    Tony romo will play again this year.

    John fox had faith in Jimmy clausen

    Vince young to IR had nothing to do with his hissy fit

    Tom cable didn’t punch his coach.

    Bellichick didn’t know he was breaking rules.

    Mike westhoff didn’t know about sideline walls.

  22. wallyhorse says: Jan 16, 2011 2:41 PM

    This to me sounds like Lurie may have heard some from fans who wanted McDermott out for what happened late in the year, as a lot of fans seem to want a bigger name (i.e. Mike Singletary) as DC.

    I was surprised myself of this change given the Eagles D really was not as bad as it looked late in the year.

  23. fish751 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:43 PM

    Not too long ago, Reid would have been overly loyal and given McDermott more time. Now Reid himself is on the hot seat and can’t afford to wait on a quality defense. No matter who the next DC is in Philly, they will need to change the philosophy of this defense. Need more full size lineman and a little less of the undersized, one gappers, with potential. Maybe even put a little emphasis on the linebacker position! Same idea, less 215 lb. guys who are easily pushed around by offensive lineman and maybe use an early rounder on a blue chipper. Is there another team in the nfl that has started more undrafted free agents and 7th rounders at the linebacker position over the last 10 years???

    Fix it Andy!!!

  24. hooterdawg says: Jan 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    haha….Mora? Shortfuse Mora in a rabid environment like Philly?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Blow-Up-Your-Radio-Jim-Mora-goes-off-on-Doug-Go;_ylt=AqLgTEGPKpMhlVpZmsiBIDZDubYF?urn=nfl-273700

    I don’t think Mora has a thick enough skin for Philly.

  25. gangsterg22 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:46 PM

    maybe this is why dandy andy’s home life is screwed up. Sons, don’t do drug. well, do drugs. No, don’t sell drugs, well if the money is good.

    ah hell i don’t know.

  26. shadowgm1 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:49 PM

    Reid has to start listening to rumblings and critiques from league pundits and fans. At this point, you really have to wonder if McNabb was the problem, or if Reid has just lost his grip on the team. There’s only so much you can blame on others before there’s no one left to point at but yourself. Poor draft and free agency personnel choices have put this team in it’s own soup pot right now. McDermott (like myself) is probably glad to have been released from a sinking ship.

    Vick’s gonna hold this team to high $$ in contract talks this offseason, he’s just waiting to see what Manning and Brees get – and Reid is therefore breaking a self-imposed rule of not allowing egos into his clubhouse. If Reid survives a second wave of coaching bloodletting after (and if) the CBA is renewed and agreed upon, he may not be so lucky after next season is finished.

  27. kegpack says: Jan 16, 2011 2:49 PM

    Hopefully Oakland picks him up. Then he’ll actually have some talent to work with. Philly’s a hodge podge of no names on defense.

  28. patc14 says: Jan 16, 2011 2:51 PM

    JJ ran a gimmick Defense…small players and can’t get to QB unless you blitz….D was only good when they had Ray Rhodes players i.e. Dawkins, Douglas, Vincent, Taylor Eammons. Rest of league figured D out years ago.

  29. iamthorny says: Jan 16, 2011 2:51 PM

    The issues of dishonesty started for Andy when he was a much younger man…

    “I probably shouldn’t eat that.”

    “I couldn’t possibly eat another bite I’ve had too much.”

    “I’m going to whip this body into shape.”

    It’s a pattern so deeply ingrained Dr. Phil A. Delphia couldn’t help him.

  30. textthis says: Jan 16, 2011 3:02 PM

    Man, you don’t let this one down. Reid didn’t lie to you personally. People don’t care but you keep referencing the QB change. How many times have you ‘broke’ a story that turned out to be false?

  31. advocado5 says: Jan 16, 2011 3:05 PM

    Reid always talks out of the side of his mouth.

    George Hegamin – endured a blocking sled in 98 degree heat and then was released the next day.

    Kevin Kolb – He’ll be our starter when he returns. He returns as a backup to Vick.

    Now this. Reid is a liar and a bad excuse for a Mormon. Forgiveness is not his forte.

  32. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 3:19 PM

    @wallyhorse
    ———————————-
    OK genius, the Defense wasn’t as bad as it looked later in the year?…..Do you watch any of the Eagles games?….Seriously, did you happen to catch the Tennessee game? Where Kenny Britt became an almost instant hall of famer, in the second half?…..The WORST red zone defense in the NFL in the last 25 years……Hello?

  33. sdw2001 says: Jan 16, 2011 3:21 PM

    So sick of the “Andy Reid can’t be trusted” line. All coaches do this. Get real.

  34. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 3:28 PM

    Reid also says we need to do a better job stopping the run.

    He’ll say this as he drafts yet another 6’2″ 235 lb defensive end.

    Reid says we need to do a better job in coverage.

    He’ll say this as he drafts yet another DB who runs a 4.7 40.

    Get some athletes.

  35. drexelvol says: Jan 16, 2011 3:34 PM

    Not to mention McDermott was completely unqualified for the position.

  36. sdw2001 says: Jan 16, 2011 3:34 PM

    By the way, has anyone else noticed that REID NEVER SAID MCDERMOTT WAS COMING BACK? I read through his quotes and while he praises him, be never says that. He was probably just trying to make sure the guy’s rep was OK before he fired him. That’s the real story: Reid taking criticism in place of the guy he just fired.

  37. necrondi says: Jan 16, 2011 3:38 PM

    Vick will not come near Manning or Brees money. The league seems to have figured him out. I predict he signs a one year incentive laden deal and the Eagles keep Kolb. If Vick plays well he gets a multi-year deal and 5-10 millions a year. If he flounders Kolb gets a shot.

  38. Moonman says: Jan 16, 2011 3:39 PM

    joefromphilly says: Jan 16, 2011 2:40 PM

    Moonman says:

    “Well, um, this doesn’t really happen with any other coaches in the sport.”

    Do you watch football?
    Broncos won’t trade Cutler.
    Tony romo will play again this year.
    John fox had faith in Jimmy clausen
    Vince young to IR had nothing to do with his hissy fit
    Tom cable didn’t punch his coach.
    Bellichick didn’t know he was breaking rules.
    Mike westhoff didn’t know about sideline walls.
    ——————-

    Yes, I watch football. Do you read at or above a 4th grade level?

    I said ‘this’ doesn’t happen with other coaches in the sport. ‘This’ is referring to having numerous instances of going back on statements, almost like a sickness. I never said other coaches don’t go back on statements they make.

    And the best part about your comment? You cited a crapload of instances that have no basis being compared to what happened with Reid. Westhoff isn’t a head coach, and his was a case of outright lying. Same with Belichick and a few others you wrote.

    Every coach lies. It’s part of the sport. They lie about injury reports, about what goes on inside locker rooms, about a plethora of subjects.

    Andy Reid just goes back on DECISIONS, repeatedly. And I’ve said twice he would be better off deflecting these questions OR just issuing a ‘No Comment’. So please.

  39. wallyhorse says: Jan 16, 2011 3:41 PM

    Trytheveal replied to me:

    >>OK genius, the Defense wasn’t as bad as it looked later in the year?…..Do you watch any of the Eagles games?….Seriously, did you happen to catch the Tennessee game? Where Kenny Britt became an almost instant hall of famer, in the second half?…..The WORST red zone defense in the NFL in the last 25 years……Hello?>>

    I remember that game very well. That was more like Britt playing out of his mind than the Eagles defense, as Britt turned it way up before he was injured (as were a bunch of the Titans that derailed this past season for them).

    That said, the Eagles were not exactly working with top picks who are going to get better, but are still very young (the Eagles are actually one of the youngest teams in the NFL). Maybe they need someone like Jauron or Singletary on the defensive side to listen to (and I would not think of Singletary as a threat to Reid for a few years because of how things went down with the 49ers in the end).

  40. wallyhorse says: Jan 16, 2011 3:42 PM

    I said:

    >>That said, the Eagles were not exactly working with top picks who are going to get better, but are still very young (the Eagles are actually one of the youngest teams in the NFL). >>

    I meant the players the Eagles had will get better, but they will need time to do so. They have done very well with late-round picks who have shown promise.

  41. dolphins4 says: Jan 16, 2011 3:50 PM

    I’d like to see them hire Dick Jauron to replace McDermott.Jauron would be a great fit defensive coordinator in Philly.

  42. firethewalrus says: Jan 16, 2011 3:51 PM

    Insert Andy-Reid-Is-A-Big-Fat-Walrus-Joke Here

    Fire The Walrus

  43. sdw2001 says: Jan 16, 2011 3:53 PM

    necrondi says:
    Jan 16, 2011 3:38 PM
    Vick will not come near Manning or Brees money. The league seems to have figured him out. I predict he signs a one year incentive laden deal and the Eagles keep Kolb. If Vick plays well he gets a multi-year deal and 5-10 millions a year. If he flounders Kolb gets a shot.

    —–If he gets franchised, he will absolutely get “near” that kind of money. He’ll be paid the average of the top 3 salaries at his position.

  44. fmwarner says: Jan 16, 2011 3:56 PM

    tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 2:38 PM

    Fire Andy Reid….McDoormat had to go yes, but it’s Reid’s team, it’s Reid who year after year doesn’t learn from his mistakes, Reid who ends up with the same result and takes no responsibility, Reid who has wasted draft picks, and don’t tell me this defense is talented, it’s not. All Reid Banner and Lurie are worried about, is making the playoffs, making money, and the status quo. The Eagles will NEVER EVER WIN A LOMBARDI WITH REID AT THE HELM…. Why can’t you idiots realize this? Don’t give me this crap of how it was before the 3 stooges arrived, it’s been 12 years, and alot of those years the NFC east was a cakewalk, Reid, along with the two other idiots, are laughing all the way to the bank….Amazes me that Eagles fans still think he has what it takes…….HE DOSEN’T
    _______________________________________

    You want to fire a coach who has made the playoffs in 9 of his 12 years and we’re idiots? Tell me a coach not named Dungy or Belichick who has done anything similar in the era of free agency.

    You have to make the playoffs to win the Super Bowl. Andy Reid is very good at making the playoffs. I’m cool with that. Look at some of the teams that have made the Super Bowl lately. The 2008 Cardinals. The 2005 Seahawks. The 2003 Panthers. The 2006 Bears. The 2007 Giants. NONE of these teams were expected to make any noise. The point is, you have to be in it to win it. Once you’re in the playoffs anything can happen. And if you think that there’s a certain ineffable quality that separates Super Bowl teams from consistent playoff teams, I think you’re sorely mistaken. So I’m going to go with the guy that gets in the playoffs and gives my team a chance.

    P.S., not really my main point, but why would a team ever want to make the playoffs but not care if they win it all so they can make more money? Won’t they make even MORE if they win the Super Bowl? That’s terrible logic, and it’s repeated ad nauseam in reference to the Eagles.

  45. janvanflac says: Jan 16, 2011 4:11 PM

    For all those morons who think Reid needs to go…This team came within 1 play of knocking off Green Bay, who blew out the #1 seed Falcons. This, in “rebuilding” year.

    11 years, 8 playoff appearances, within 3 points of winning a Super Bowl. How many years did it take Bill Cowher to win a SB? How many years were his teams under .500? The playoffs are a complete crapshoot. You can’t gameplan for your automatic kicker missing two makeable FGs. But you can’t win it all if you don’t make the playoffs, and the Eagles ALWAYS do. Even better, they are ALWAYS entertaining. Watching them drive a stake through the heart of the Giants made it all worthwhile this year.

    He obviously does get put his players “in a position to make plays.” He never, ever, badmouths his players to the media, mouthing bland platitudes like that when he’s probably stewing at their lack of execution. That’s one of the many reasons why his players love playing for him.

    Anybody who thinks AR shouldn’t be allowed to coach as long as he sees fit deserves the 6-10 & 4-12 seasons that would follow.

  46. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 4:15 PM

    @fmwarner
    ———————————–
    Terrible logic?…….seriously?…..Every playoff game, Reid makes boneheaded decisions, has piss poor clock management, and is out coached, every game that counts, he CHOKES, after 12 years, 12 years of the same old BS, and zero……count em ZERO lombardi’s….You actually expect me to think otherwise? Hell Ray Rhodes took em to the playoffs ya idiot,..Andy Reid is the most overated coach in NFL history, in the end…he has won nothing

  47. lbijake says: Jan 16, 2011 4:17 PM

    Pound for pound, Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL.

  48. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 4:19 PM

    PS…Dungy and Belichick have won Superbowls…..Reid hasn’t….end of story

  49. sdw2001 says: Jan 16, 2011 4:30 PM

    tryytheveal says:
    Jan 16, 2011 4:15 PM

    ———————————–
    Terrible logic?…….seriously?…..Every playoff game, Reid makes boneheaded decisions, has piss poor clock management, and is out coached, every game that counts, he CHOKES, after 12 years, 12 years of the same old BS, and zero……count em ZERO lombardi’s….You actually expect me to think otherwise? Hell Ray Rhodes took em to the playoffs ya idiot,..Andy Reid is the most overated coach in NFL history, in the end…he has won nothing

    _________________

    Reid has flaws, but you’re off your rocker. He does not “choke” in “every” playoff game. Please.

  50. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 4:32 PM

    jan –

    How many years would you be OK with Reid if he doesn’t win a Superbowl?

    Seven more seasons? Because then we’re talking 20 decades here without a ring under Reid.

    Would you be OK with that? Do you find that acceptable?

    If so, would 25 years be acceptable? 30 years?

    How much time should he be given?

  51. countsnail says: Jan 16, 2011 4:33 PM

    Not Jim “Mr. Softie” Mora, please. Good guy, but not the type of coach this young defense needs. They need a less crazy version of Mike Singletary

  52. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 4:37 PM

    Did it ever seem to you that the Packers felt all that threatened in either game vs the Eagles this season?

    They got 21 and then pounded Starks. If they had needed 42, they’d have gotten 42.

    I am an Eagles die-hard, but let’s be real.

  53. fmwarner says: Jan 16, 2011 4:59 PM

    tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 4:19 PM

    PS…Dungy and Belichick have won Superbowls…..Reid hasn’t….end of story
    _______________________________________

    And that’s completely irrelevant to my point. End of story. My point was that only those two guys get to the playoffs as consistently as Reid. And if you want to win the Super Bowl, I hear getting to the playoffs is a big help.

  54. oldbyrd says: Jan 16, 2011 5:10 PM

    Know what guys? I think the decesion wasn’t made by Reid. I also think (truth be told) that Reid is under close watch. One thing Jeff can’t buy is a Super Bowl Ring. Anyone got Cowers number????

  55. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:15 PM

    He helped take Lurie’s 185 million dollar loan from his mommy at a 1% interest rate, and helped turn it into a billion dollar franchise, while he makes 5-8 million a year, do you really think he cares if he wins a super bowl…Do you think banner and Lurie care? Are you people that stupid?

  56. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 5:16 PM

    I meant 2 decades under Reid without a SB.

    But I guess the 20 decades is technically correct as well!

  57. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:26 PM

    Remind me again what Reid has won?

  58. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 5:28 PM

    No one else but Reid can coach. You could never replace him. Don;t even try!

    I mean, what did the Steelers win after Cowher? Giants have been a joke since Parcells left.

    These are the same people who told me that a B- QB (McNabb) was irreplaceable this time last year.

  59. maximus929 says: Jan 16, 2011 5:28 PM

    Wow. An NFL coach fibbed about something. Stop the presses. First time for everything.

  60. fmwarner says: Jan 16, 2011 5:31 PM

    Mooch, I know you didn’t ask me, but if Reid keeps up his rate of getting to the playoffs, my answer to that question is “forever”.

    According to pro-football-reference.com, exactly 14 coaches in the entire history of the NFL have gotten to the playoffs more than the 9 times Reid has. ALL of them have coached more years than he has. And of those 14, exactly ONE has done better than Reid’s 75% playoff rate (Tony Dungy).

    So to me, the question is…if you fire Reid, who are you going to get that is this historically successful? What are the chances that the guy you hire becomes one of those 14 guys? When people call for Reid to be fired, they never consider that it’s very unlikely his successor will do better.

    I’m as frustrated as any Eagles fan, and there are things I don’t like at all about the way Reid coaches. But I believe that to a certain degree, winning in the playoffs is a crapshoot. The list of teams who have played in the Super Bowl appears to bear that out. And Andy Reid gives his team more rolls at the craps table than almost any coach in history.

  61. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:37 PM

    Where any of you jackasses who defend him there at the Linc when he was smart enough to realize that todd pinkston and the rest of the minons were a legtimate NFL receiver group,and just cause he is a genius, they would win the game.. and then losing to carolina 14-3 in the NfC Championship game… There for the embarrassment to Tampa bay during the nfc championship game, there while the offense languished in the Super Bowl?…Where he was so outcoached it isn’t funny?…..Don’t any of you idiots tell me Reid is a good coach…I have been there, I have seen it…….he isn’t.

  62. necrondi says: Jan 16, 2011 5:44 PM

    —–If he gets franchised, he will absolutely get “near” that kind of money. He’ll be paid the average of the top 3 salaries at his position.

    No kidding guy. So could I if was franchised. You have completely missed the point.

  63. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:46 PM

    sean peyton, mike tomlin, tom coughlin…..Gee andy, if only….you were a head coach instead of a corporate entity….

  64. fmwarner says: Jan 16, 2011 5:47 PM

    No, Reid hasn’t won a Super Bowl. But you’re both willfully ignoring my point. I stand by the argument that the more you make the playoffs, the more your chances are to win the Super Bowl. Firing Reid now is like hitting on 19 in blackjack.

  65. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:50 PM

    Fire Andy Reid Now….

  66. tryytheveal says: Jan 16, 2011 5:59 PM

    The worst red zone defenxe in the NFL in 25 years…..Reid and Roseman needed a scapegoat…..Dimitri Patterson……..really. way to save a buck andy and howie, neither one of you guys can draft TO SAVE YOUR ASS….

  67. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 6:23 PM

    “Mooch, I know you didn’t ask me, but if Reid keeps up his rate of getting to the playoffs, my answer to that question is “forever”.”

    Two questions (and I do not know the answer, not trying to insult you):

    1) Are you an Eagles fan
    2) Do you live in the Phila metro area
    3) What age range are you

    I have a theory on this.

    Unless you are Lurie, I don’t see how anyone could accept your statement. Hey, if I was Lurie, I’d never fire him. But I’m a fan.

    To me, the playoff appearance becomes irrelevant the second you get eliminated. No one remembers it after a few years. It’s meaningless. Like the time you almost hooked up with the hot chick. Do you sit back later in life and relive that moment? Nope, you probably forgot about it in a week.

  68. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 6:32 PM

    fmwarner,

    I disagree with your theory, because in the case of the Eagles the impact of making the payoffs has not been cumulative.

    Anyone else, the team gets there first and loses the game it should lose (like we did to the Rams). Then it gets better and starts winning those games. Then it wins it all.

    The Patriots and Steelers built toward that. The Ravens and Jets are building towards that now.

    But every year I look at the team and say it’s no better than the team that we lost to in the playoffs.

    Every year I see the same weaknesses and mistakes. Same penalties. Same letdowns. And it never gets fixed. We’re treading water, not building towards anything.

    I imagine you look at the Ravens, NY Giants and Tampa title teams and think a team can get hot and win it all out nowhere. It can’t. Those teams had FAR better defenses than we do.

  69. bigbluefan1 says: Jan 16, 2011 6:44 PM

    Other then the fans Andy is the worst thing in Philly Football

    McNabb could not win the big one now its the only thing that has stayed the same in all the years of egals choking is Jabba the Coach

    It was TO it was McNabb we need WR’s we need a mobile QB got all that and you got zip zero in the post season
    The only thing that is remembered in the long run is number of SB wins and for the Egals that is zero
    Meanwhile the rest of the NFC east has each have at least 3 trophies
    Andy is the problem and as long as that fat slob is still coaching the team is doomed to failure

  70. cleverbob says: Jan 16, 2011 7:22 PM

    DL coach just got his walking papers too. Maybe he’ll take Abiamiri and Bunk with him.

  71. moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 7:33 PM

    Are there any coaches in pro history who were given 13 years at one spot without a championship?

    That it’s heresy to even bring up the topic?

  72. mdpickles says: Jan 16, 2011 8:04 PM

    moochzilla says: Jan 16, 2011 7:33 PM

    Are there any coaches in pro history who were given 13 years at one spot without a championship?

    ^^Bill Cowher come to mind? And they gave him 14 years. Reid has 3 years with the Vick experiment. IF it doesn’t produce a championship, dump em both.

  73. johnstofa says: Jan 16, 2011 8:27 PM

    It’s this incredible inability to be honest with people he’s working with that makes me wonder if that’s what went wrong with his kids.

    Has to drive people that play for him nuts.

  74. bleedgreen says: Jan 16, 2011 8:28 PM

    Moochzilla:

    Bill Cowher AND Jeff Fisher both.

  75. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 10:51 AM

    OK, so we’ll give Reid 16 years.

    But I just think at the end of that you’ll be asking for 4 more.

    And no, I have no idea why Fisher is still coaching down there.

    As for Cowher, I think there’s a difference between losing to the teams he lost to and the teams the Eagles lost to (Tampa, Carolina).

  76. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 10:53 AM

    Another point for Cowher, towards the end the feeling was that the Steelers were perennial favorites edging closer to their goal.

    I’m not sure anyone sees the Eagles as inching closer. Do you really believe our defense is fixable in 1 or even 2 seasons? Because I don’t think it is. And, given Reid’s track record in the draft and the team’s history of impact FA signings, it isn’t realistic to expect such a quick turnaround.

    We need 3 more playmakers on defense. Minimum.

  77. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 11:14 AM

    And can we get past this “getting to a SB is nearly impossible” nonsense?

    Since Reid came onto the scene, the following has happened:

    WON LOST

    New Orleans Chicago
    Pittsburgh Arizona
    NYG Philadelphia
    Indianapolis Seattle
    New England Carolina
    Tampa Oakland
    St. Louis Tennessee
    Baltimore Atlanta
    Denver

    Teams that made it: 17
    Teams that won it: 9

    So, since Reid has been in the league OVER 50% OF NFL TEAMS HAVE MADE THE SUPERBOWL.

    OVER 50%!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nine teams, about a QUARTER OF THE TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE, has won a trophy over that span.

    So stop acting like the SB is not a realistic goal, especially for a supposed ‘great’ coach.

  78. oldbyrd says: Jan 17, 2011 11:30 AM

    Dear Tryytheveac I agree with you on most. However you are selling the Super Bowl Ring short. Its what those involved at that level are in it for. Rememebr T He might be A Billionaire but, he can’t buy a Super Bowl Ring. Yes I think he wants one real bad. Guys like him always want what they can’t have. Like a kid that would like a Ivy League Ring. You can’t buy one. Like Laurie youd have to go out and earn it. I think that Andy has only so much talent and I might add, is very stubborn. Runs the ball 12 times. Heck he has the running back that had more yards from scrimmage than any other and owned a 5.2 rushing avg. Same thing every year. Perhaps, just perhaps Mr. Laurie is sick of it. GET COWHER

  79. oldbyrd says: Jan 17, 2011 11:37 AM

    One last thought. Anyone of you who thinks its not about winning the Super Bowl just doesn’t understand Football. Thats why they call it The Super Bowl.

  80. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 12:08 PM

    “Like a kid that would like a Ivy League Ring. You can’t buy one.”

    You’re kidding, right?

  81. oldbyrd says: Jan 17, 2011 12:26 PM

    What I mean is If you want something anything that you have to earn you should do what it takes to get it. That ring for whatever reason, World Series, Stanley Cup Special college it is the sign of accomplishment. You want to wear that pride. Point being….Laurie wants one just like Jerry Jones and all the deserving Football,Hockey, Basketball, Baseball, high educaional degree you pick it. ITS THE ACCOMPLISHMENT SYMBOL. So I ask you mooch if you owned the Eagles would your goal be to win The Super Bowl or come in 5th or 6th best every single year? Finally if Mr. Laurie wants to win The super bowl…..Andy ain’t gettin done…..ever

  82. oldbyrd says: Jan 17, 2011 12:39 PM

    By the way for McDermott, I have never seen or heard so many excuses for a out right failure. To much for him because he followed Jim J. Give me a break. The Green Bay–Eagles game the commentator said”it looks like McDermott is having trouble getting the right personal on the field” sounds to me like a nice way of saying he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He was horrible. Most TD passes given up in Eagles history. 80% success rate against us in the Red Zone. The worst in all football. The facts are the facts and the fact is he was HORRIBLE. Every team in football has to deal with injuries.We also had some darn good players on that defense, including a couple of all pros. My opinion is that we’d be playing this coming Sunday if it wasn’t for him.

  83. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 12:48 PM

    I think from my posts it’s clear I agree with you 100%.

    My last post is because I can point about tons of cases where Ivy League rings were bought. W at Yale or Trump at Wharton are classic examples. And 100′s of legacies get in every year over more deserving candidates.

    If I buy Princeton a new building, my name goes on it and my kids and grandkids get into Princeton. It’s not exactly a secret.

    Now, one can argue that Yale made a smart investment with W, as he later became President. But that doesn’t change that someone like him gets in first and foremost as a legacy.

    I place a SB title as a far great accomplishment.

  84. oldbyrd says: Jan 17, 2011 4:22 PM

    You are correct Mooch. However the only reason I referenced Ivy’s is lots of kids get to go because they earn their way in.. No its not a SB Ring. But it’s a symbol of accomplishment out of the norm. Say like MIT. You seem to be aware of these schools. Also like a Doctor hangs his shingle. Its special something earned. The point I was making is ….Does anyone believe that all Laurie wants is the money? Hey I couild be wrong but, my opinion is that he wants that accomplisment of leadership and decesion that he would enjoy. The things I mention have to be earned and are difficult to accomplish. Thats why they have Rings. I think Mr. Laurie wants to accomplish winning a SB. Andy proclaims McDermott will be back. A week later he’s fired. My best guess is that Mr. Laurie made that call. I don’t think Reid is back after 2011 if he doesn’t win or come darn close. If its me I get Cowher now while he is avail. Reid had 12 years. But if you guys are happy being 6th best every year…..you got Andy.

  85. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 7:26 PM

    True – he has enough money, God knows that.

    And its not like he ever had to work for anything up to this point of his life.

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