Video shows Pats used wall, tried to trip Jets gunner

Last month, the NFL fined the Jets $100,000 for forming a wall on a punt return, which resulted in the tripping of Dolphins gunner Nolan Carroll by Jets strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi.  Jets special-teams coordinator Mike Westhoff declared in the wake of the controversy that the Patriots do the same thing.

Now, Jay Glazer of FOX has gotten his hands on evidence to support that assertion.

Moments ago, Glazer showed video of a loose alignment of Patriots players along the white stripe during a Jets punt in the teams’ Week Two game at the New Meadowlands Stadium.  Though they weren’t standing shoulder to shoulder and toe to toe like Sal Alosi and his North Jersey mob, six or seven Pats were up on the edge of the sideline, and one of them appears to try to trip the gunner.

Glazer said that the Jets became aware of the maneuver after signing a Patriots practice-squad player, who blew the whistle on his former team.

As Glazer points out, the Jets may have been able to reduce their own fine — and possibly to get the Pats in line for a fine — if they had known about this sooner.  Whether the league takes action remains to be seen.

Regardless of how it turns out, the disclosure highlights the past failures of the officials and/or the league office to enforce pre-existing rules applicable to the positioning of players and assistant coaches in the bench area.

UPDATE:  Shawn Crable is the most recent former Patriot whom the Jets signed.  Crable arrived on November 16, 2010.  Inexplicably, the Jets apparently didn’t bother to go to Crable and ask him whether the Pats had used similar tactics in Week Two.

UPDATE II: Here’s the video.

87 responses to “Video shows Pats used wall, tried to trip Jets gunner

  1. Completely different.

    Pats wall was the Offensive Line getting ready to come on the field.

    Jets wall was inactive players and staff.

    There was no proof of the player being tripped either. The 5th Lineman turned his back instead of sticking his leg out.

    And Glazer done this deliberately on this Sunday as well.

  2. Why even bring this up today? You know the Jets were holding this until today. They are morons. No one was tripped by the Patriots, so this is a non-issue.

  3. watch Roger sweep this under the carpet asap… teams(not just the Pats mind you) cheat & Roger rushes to make sure that it doesn’t blow up into a major controversy (which the Pats spying incident did turn into)

  4. I don’t think that was an attempt to trip. What I saw was players backing up, maybe making a small after the effect effort to get out of the way.

  5. Well, the Jets did it. The Patriots did it. Maybe the Dolphins, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Browns did it. And maybe the Colts, Titans, Texans, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders, Broncos, Chargers, and 49ers did it. And probably the Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, Saints, Falcons, Buccanneers, and Panthers have done it. Along with the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Eagles, and Lions, and the Packers, Bears, and Vikings too.

  6. Is this a surprise to anybody? If you should doubt this was taking place, somebody ask Matt Walsh. He seems to know a lot about the Patriots and what’s on the videotape.

  7. What a load of crap. The Patriots lined up people on the line like every team does. They didn’t form a “wall” like the Jets did. The line isn’t even illegal according to NFL rules.

    Touching the player is. The Jets broke that rule, not the Pats.

  8. Sounds like another foot joke reference opportunity — paging Mr. Welker! Yoo hoo Mr. Welker! Time for another foot joke.

    Seriously, can this team do anything that doesn’t involve cheating?

    Paging Mr. Welker — tell us how the Pats like to put their best foot forward. Literally! How Bill makes sure the punt blocking unit always toes the line. You know, all the good zingers!

    I’ll be here all week — try the veal.

  9. First off, the video proved nothing. The Lineman turned his back, didn’t put his foot out.

    The wall appeared to be the Offensive Line ready to come onto the field not field trainers lining-up to take out the gunner i.e. the JETS

    I love how the Jets released this tape 3 hours prioir to game time.

  10. With the accusation out there, there was bound to be something that looked like the wall. That it took this many weeks to find something that appeared to be the same shows that this is not the norm as Westoff said. If it was blatant, the NY media would have found this the next day.

  11. So he is basically admitting to it even after denying that he knew nothing about it a month ago? It doesn’t make it right just because the Patriots did it. Moron.

  12. Though they weren’t standing shoulder to shoulder and toe to toe like Sal Alosi and his North Jersey mob, six or seven Pats were up on the edge of the sideline, and one of them appears to try to trip the gunner.

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    Well, if they weren’t shoulder to shoulder, than there was no “wall”. If nobody was tripped, only “appears to try” to trip, than the situations are different. Actually, if what you are saying is true, it is only further evidence that the Jets and Westhoff were very purposeful in this and they sold Alosi out.

  13. What’s new about this…..the league knows perfectly well which teams (jets, pats, packers, broncos, saints etc.) have cheated for a long time and do nothing (until the media makes it public) whereas teams like the ravens, steeler, vikings, raiders etc. get fined and punished for the smallest things. The teams that get punished are the one’s that play the game the way it was meant to be played, hard-nose football but the NFL likes “offense” so their “patsie-teams” get away with everything dirty whether on or off the field. Officials use to officiate but now when the owners or even the headcoaches complain to the league office, it trickles down and the officials have a way of turning a blind eye to the obvious. Much like how the NCAA operates in college sports.

  14. Ah, and where is said video?

    And a wall is completely different than a “loose alignment”.

    Pats 34
    Jets 13

  15. whatever, it just karma for the spygate ordeal. When the Jets did it the game before. I personally love it. Go Pats all the way to the ‘chip baby!

  16. Jay Glazer I expected more from you. I wonder how long the Jets have been sitting on this footage?

    To me, it looks like the player turned his shoulder. I went back to view the Fox tape (DVR) and cannot see a player sticking out his leg. The footage is really poor.

  17. I love all the Pats apologists here trying to make excuses and hide their shame. The guys on Fox all said it was a trip. They showed it, and it was a trip. Now get Welker on for more foot jokes.

    You’re busted Patriots. Tainted again.

  18. Who cares. It’s illegal for the gunner to run down the sidelines out of bounds. Besides this is football and what do you expect when you try to cheat using the opponents sidelines. The jets should never have been fined and neither should the Pats. The Refs should just enforce the rules and flag these gunners who use the sidelines to avoid contact.

  19. The Jets, the league and the network should be fined for showing that video, which shows players watching the game, and nobody getting tripped, or impeded!!!

  20. Come on. This incident and the video taping are the ONLY times they’ve ever cheated. Other than these 2 occasions (1 being for 5 years), they play by all of the rules.

  21. No one will ever see the video because Goodell will view it, issue a statement that there was no wrongdoing and have all copies summarily destroyed.

    NOTE: My apologies to the Boston area fans for using a dictionary word.

  22. @ patriotscpfc & stanjam

    You guys apparently didn’t pay attention closely to the video. It was very obvious that one of the Patriots players stuck his leg out to trip the player running out of bounds on the sideline. Take off your fan boy goggles for once.

  23. The video doesn’t show much and Jay Glazer is taking a rather large leap in saying a Patriot tried to trip the gunner. Further, these weren’t people in street clothes this was the Patriots starting offensive line waiting to take the field.

    BUT the main point i have to make is that the Jets weren’t fined because of the claim, they were fined because of the manner in which they made the claim. They cried to a Chicago radio station and contradicted themselves no fewer than 5 times. The proper channels of reporting the claim were not taken and the Nation Football League fined them for snipping through the media.

  24. @thejuddstir

    Yeah, you guys get away with absolutely nothing.

    Unless it’s murder in Ray Lewis’s case

  25. *LOL*…..Patriots CHEAT?….No…cant be!…Oh sorry…we cant talk about that!…Only the Jets do bad things…*LOL*…Where is everybody? *L*

  26. @ patiotscpfc,

    *L*…Oh! …..didnt look that differant to me…but I guess where you come from they call it something differant *LOL*

  27. Who cares, we all know what ever the Jets get caught at doing they learned from the Pats….they know the only way to come close to beating these guys they have to use the same bending of the rules, this vid has nothing on the Belicheat jumping in front of Harrison vid, thats a classic……

  28. This is weak all around.

    First of all, that the offensive line getting getting ready to come on the field.

    Second, the player who moved was turning his back to the gunner and moving away, no real evidence his left foot went out to trip the gunner.

    Third, this is such a sad attempt from the Jet’s to create an issue just before the game, it’s obvious and weak.

    Also, all the post concerning the Pat’s and how cheating is to be expected. Sad, just pathetically sad ! Also the current state of reporting speculation as fact, equally sad ! Stop being drones people and stop jumping on the speculation wagon !! Can you say Moo ?

  29. That video was grasping for straws !!!

    YOU ANTI- PATRIOT FANS HAVE>>> NO CREDABILITY>>> WHY ? Cause your envious and jealous of Patriots… SO SAD…. END OF STORY…

    “YOU CAN”T STOP THE PATRIOT DYNASTY”

  30. Scum bag Jets.. they really think this will get in the pats heads 3 hrs before the game? They will use, and need, any little advantage they can get. Just confirms the fact that they are a petty team that does nothing but talk. Mark my words they will not show up today, and it will then be blamed on something that patriots did to “cheat.” Unbelievable. The Jets and their fans are THE WORST. Talk big before the game then cry after, like three year olds.

  31. joelvis72 says: Jan 16, 2011 12:35 PM

    Well, the Jets did it. The Patriots did it. Maybe the Dolphins, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Browns did it. And maybe the Colts, Titans, Texans, Jaguars, Chiefs, Raiders, Broncos, Chargers, and 49ers did it. And probably the Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, Saints, Falcons, Buccanneers, and Panthers have done it. Along with the Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Eagles, and Lions, and the Packers, Bears, and Vikings too.

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    As a Broncos fan I take great offense that they are included in this list. The Broncos never cheated. Except that one time in England, but that was not even in the US, so technically its not cheating.

    Also, who cares if former Broncos Fullback Reggie Rivers wrote that everyone cheats in the NFL and that the best thing you could do was not get caught. He was cut the year the Broncos first won the Super Bowl, meaning the Broncos have not cheated since…

    except that one time in England… but that was not in the US, so there…

  32. I didn’t get to see the video. So I would have a lot of questions.

    Did the players appear “arranged” as a wall, or were they simply standing in a line?

    Did this person who allegedly tripped the player in this video really make the effort? Alosi’s knee bend was rather blatant. Was it the same or similar?

    Were the players active or inactive?

    If any of these indicate culpability on the part of the Patriots, then the league needs to rescind the fine on the Jets or at least lessen the severity. They can’t go retroactively fining the Patriots from old stock footage. That would be silly.

  33. Who cares and it is not the Pats fault that they Jets are not as sly about it as they are!! Rule #1 DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS!!!!

    But honestly tripping is just low but just cause the Jets got caught does not mean they have to try and blame someone else for their lack of doing it without notice!!

  34. As a Pats fan, if they did indeed intentionally do this (I haven’t seen the video), then they deserve to be fined. Just as they were fined for their filming debacle, just how any players or organizations are fined when wrong-doing has been proven.

    However, if it was not intentional, it should really be reported as such, and not in a manner typical of the medias ‘clever editing’, as of late.

    Either way, I think some people seriously need to take a few deep breaths and relax. If you have heart attacks before the game, you won’t get to see the outcome (well, if you survive, you can catch the replays I guess)

  35. Sal’s knee bend was rather blatant, but this was even worse, with the leg lifting up and sticking it out in trying to trip them

    Alosi, wanted contact, The Patriot player, who should be suspended for the attempt was much worse…

  36. After scrutinizing the match ups and numbers I have come to a shocking conclusion. The Jets are going to winning in a stunning upset tonight! Bank on it.

  37. So what we have determined is:

    – There were Patriots players lined up along the line.

    – The players did not form a shoulder-to-shoulder wall like the Jets did.

    – No one was tripped, but someone MAY have ATTEMPTED to trip someone.

    How can any disciplinary action be taken? How could this affect the Jets’ punishment? Nothing happened.

  38. OH YEEEEEAH! Playofff time! Nothing gets me more fired up than adding to a month old story about a bald jersey shore reject tripping a dolphin and how MAYBE the patriots did it too! No real evidence, but HEY…… a guy who got cut said it. Great Job, PFT! You excite me in ways my girlfriend can’t!

  39. Glazer said that the Jets became aware of the maneuver after signing a Patriots practice-squad player, who blew the whistle on his former team.

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    Jets are known liars so I’m not quite buying into this until more is known.

  40. i didnt know Glazer was nothing more than a shill for the jets…guy needs to take a flying leap…really, he waits until right before the big game to release this? how much did the jets pay him…like all mainstream media, he doesnt report news, he just reports what people with money pay him to

  41. One can expect nothing less than this from the classless team and it’s classless coach and his classless mentor (Parcells).

    Pats will never be on the same level as the Cowboys, Steelers or Niners

  42. As a Broncos fan I take great offense that they are included in this list. The Broncos never cheated.

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    Unless violating the salary cap in both years the Broncos won the Super Bowl isn’t considered cheating, then you should take less offense.

  43. Wtf does this have to do with the football game today? Unless you are preparing your statement of excuses for your defeat.

  44. This is absolute BS. If he was trying to trip him, he would have tripped him. It’s not that hard to trip somebody. Wake-up Haters!!

  45. Did the Patriots player actualy trip anyone??? If os this is a story, if not this is just Glazer being his typical moron self.

  46. Apparently wearing knee and thigh pads are more of a story on most major sports website than this stupid story. I guess people really care about what GAYZER says.

  47. Lol…the Jets DID trip someone…the Patriots did NOT trip anyone, making it a foolish story. And I love how all these loser fans start crying about “cheating” as their awful teams keep losing…us Patriots fans and Steeler fans have to ensure so much jealousy from all you geeks!!! Lol…

  48. New England’s offensive line is about to give the Yets ANOTHER lesson in what a “wall” REALLY looks like.

    This is a very lame comparison, and that it is “suddenly” released three hours before game time is a flat-out joke by the Yets.

    There is NOTHING that this organization won’t stoop to, and I am constantly amazed by how much of this embarrassment Woody Johnson stands for.

    Mr. Hess is surely rolling over in his grave …… if the Yets haven’t already robbed it.

  49. @patriotscpfc says:
    Jan 16, 2011 12:28 PM
    Completely different.

    Pats wall was the Offensive Line getting ready to come on the field.

    Jets wall was inactive players and staff.

    There was no proof of the player being tripped either. The 5th Lineman turned his back instead of sticking his leg out.

    And Glazer done this deliberately on this Sunday as well.
    __________________________________
    Well said, that’s what I see too.

    I just listened to Dan Leberfeld (Jets writer) on the pre-game show and he said Jay Glazer has nothing to gain from this from the Patriots, but everything to gain from this story from the Jets and it will “tighten up his relationship with them” as him and Rex are tight, and proof of this is Rex has been at his MMA events several times (remember the “finger” incident in FLA? That was one of them). Glazer has probably been sitting on this for weeks waiting to spring it on game day. It’s BS, but the timing is perfect for the Jets trying to get a leg up.

  50. It’s not cheating anyway. If the Patriots violated an NFL rule, then the officials could have thrown a flag. It’s not as if they had a coach trip a player.

  51. Again, this is why the patriots are one of the big villains of the NFL. Everyone knows the jets, ravens and steelers have some scumbag players doing and saying scumbag things. They don’t hide it. The Pats find every “advantage” they can but always pull the choir boy act. They’re like an old WWF character who pulls out brass knuckles when the ref is distracted and then acts innocent when their opponent has “blood” running down their face.

  52. If Bill Belichick makes it into the HOF; I’m guessing he’ll be the first guy to have any cheers drowned out by boos. The only successful coach with a rap sheet attached to his body of work. Pathetic.

  53. What a shock that the Jets released this on game day. I haven’t watched the video yet. But if the Pats did something wrong they should be punished.

    But holding this until today is bush league.

  54. And to you Jets fans……….I mean come on! You all are so overrated. Your team is a total joke. Seriously, your classless, worthless city and team likes releasing information at the last minute.

    Favre (2 year old story) and now this. The Jets maybe worse than the Raiders.

    And news flash!!!!!! You have no chance of winning a superbowl. Don’t sit there and think you have a fighting chance……….you don’t.

  55. fanofthegame says: Jan 16, 2011 1:44 PM

    As a Broncos fan I take great offense that they are included in this list. The Broncos never cheated.

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    Unless violating the salary cap in both years the Broncos won the Super Bowl isn’t considered cheating, then you should take less offense.

    _____________________________

    Context, my friend, context…

    besides, the salary cap is front office stuff, that is like cheating in England… it does not count. We had John Elway and now we have the second coming in Tim Tebow.

    On a serious note, this post is mostly sarcastic.

  56. LMFAO. HE DIDN’T TRIP THE GUY. HE JUST
    STUCK HIS SHOULDER OUT AND MADE
    ABSOLUTELY NO CONTACT WITH THE GUNNER AT ALL. LOL.

    Man, there is so much sh%t that goes on in the
    league that many of you are obviously far too
    naive to realize.

    And that’s REALLY surprising.

    Its called GAMESMANSHIP people. WOW.

    It just AMAZES me as to how much real HATRED
    there is for the Patriots in the NFL. GOD. They’ve
    done far worse than some player standing on the
    sideline and sticking his SHOULDER OUT to make
    the gunner think about him being there.

    They have to be the most hated team in the NFL.
    I mean unless you’re a Pats fan you absolutely
    HATE them. LOL. Sad thing is they probably
    don’t have a single Bart Scott/Cromartie/Suggs/
    T.O./Haynesworth/J.Harrison/V.Young/L.T./Favre/Burress/Moss(they shipped HIS
    ass out)/D.Jackson/Cutler/S.Smith, etc.etc.etc.
    among them on their roster. They’re good guys.

    How man Pats are getting arrested day in and
    day out ?!? or are on the Polics blotter ??

    Ya know it just hit me. They’re good. REAL good.
    And people are just plain SICK of it.

    That’s the bottom line. Whatever…

  57. This whole thing is lame. I’m not a Pats fan (ATL RIP 2010), but this finger pointing thing has gotten out of hand. There’s always a reason to look at who’s on top and knock them down. Jimmy Johnson admitted to video taping back when he was coaching because “everybody did it”. While we’re at this, lets admit the Steelers titles from the 70’s are all tainted due to steriods, Colts with Manning are tainted due to pumped in crowd noise, Jets are tainted because of their Alosi Wall, LT’s titles for sending prostitutes to the opposing team, etc. I could go on all day. No investigation on what the Carolina Panthers are doing because they are horrible. No mention of Ray Lewis murdering somebody. No word about Brett Favre’s start steak and using painkillers. With all these stories coming out, I bet if somebody farts out of turn in Foxboro Goodell would hear about it and it would be on videotape.

  58. CBS just showed the video with a closer angle and the Pats player tried to trip the Jets player, there you go.

    Why is it wrong if its Jets coaches forming the wall as opposed to the Pats doing it with players? They aren’t on the field they aren’t crossing the line, so at that point what does it matter who is there? It could be the owner and camermen it wouldn’t make a difference, they aren’t crossing the line.

    Tripping is the major issue and now we have video proof of the Pats player trying to trip a player. The kings of cheating once again setting the precedent on how to cheat.

  59. I just saw this replayed and analyzed on TV, and Charlie Casserly (I don’t care if you like him) said that unlike the Jets incident, the players standing there were probably legal since they are linemen (not coaches), who will go in on the next play.

    He said that the NFL will still evaluate the actions of #62, Ryan Wendell. Personally, they had pretty good video, and while he did stick his foot a couple of inches over the white line, with the intent to impede, I do not believe that he show the intent to make contact and trip the guy like Alosi did.

  60. cbs video actually showed the olineman attempting to trip the jets player. he was prolly not gonna trip him but just tried to slow him up. still wrong

  61. Ludicrous.

    That video proves nothing. Players crowd the sideline on every play. I bet you’d find a similar ‘wall’ on Patriots punts.

    That same ‘sideline violation’ occurs in every game by every team on virtually every play.

    If the Patriots planned it, then they should be punished. But that video proves nothing.

    Ridiculous that it gets shown on network TV.

  62. Anyone who saw that tape and believes that the Pats’ player didn’t stick out his leg in an attempt (even though he didn’t make contact) to trip up the gunner probably believes in Santa Clause too.

  63. This shows that the Patriots are better at plausible deniablity. They use offensive linemen instead of inactive players.

  64. drexelvol says:
    Jan 16, 2011 12:55 PM
    No one will ever see the video because Goodell will view it, issue a statement that there was no wrongdoing and have all copies summarily destroyed.

    NOTE: My apologies to the Boston area fans for using a dictionary word.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A dictionary word? I just re-read through your post and tbough I’m not going to check for verification through Webster’s, it seems that all of your words are “dictionary words”.

  65. The Jets won the game today…..Just saying cuz a lot of posts from NE fans said the Jets wouldn’t win. So just wanted to make that clear. Jets move on to AFC Championship game and the Pats well they are done for this season. Oh and tripping players is stupid no matter what team you like and you’re foolish is you think every team doesn’t use some sort of similar tactics.

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