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Tom Brady tries to explain Patriots’ poor clock management

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One of the surprising aspects of the Patriots’ loss to the Jets was New England’s lack of urgency while trailing during the fourth quarter. It was particularly baffling to see the Patriots mosey down the field while trailing by two scores in the fourth quarter.

But Patriots quarterback Tom Brady said on WEEI today that he had to throw underneath on the Patriots’ long drives in the fourth quarter because the underneath passes were all the Jets’ defense would allow.

“They had a lot of dime groupings out there with six defensive backs,” Brady said. “It’s hard to think we’re going to throw the ball all day with that grouping. I thought we said, alright, we’re going to take advantage of this matchup, still move the ball down the field, which we did, but when we got down to the 15-yard line we just sputtered.”

It’s certainly true that the Jets had an effective defensive game plan that included having 11 defensive backs active for the game. That made it tough for Brady to beat the Jets deep.

But the Patriots’ slow pace between plays can’t be attributed to the Jets’ dime packages. It’s inexcusable that the Patriots, trailing by 10 points, allowed 7 minutes and 45 seconds to run off the clock during their first possession of the fourth quarter. And it’s shocking that when the Patriots got the ball in Jets territory with 3:29 to play, their offense ran so slowly that they didn’t kick their field goal until after the two-minute warning.

That wasn’t about the Jets’ dime groupings. It was just poor clock management by New England.

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  1. harrelson81 says: Jan 17, 2011 1:41 PM

    I didn’t know what the heck was going on when they were taking so long to get down the field. It’s one thing to say you wanted to run the ball or take short routes underneath the defense. That doesn’t excuse allowing the play clock to run down to 5 or less on almost every single play. Absolutely no sense of urgency.

  2. tombradysnutsack says: Jan 17, 2011 1:45 PM

    Get a haircutt and a real running game.. better luck next year!

  3. cornellsteelers says: Jan 17, 2011 1:45 PM

    Once again, Brady looks very average when under consistent pressure. I would take him over any QB in the league if I knew the opponent couldn’t get much pressure, but he would be pretty far down the list if I knew the QB would be under siege all day.

  4. jmac1013 says: Jan 17, 2011 1:46 PM

    It’s harder to win playoff game and superbowls when you can’t cheat any longer.

  5. knucklebucket says: Jan 17, 2011 1:48 PM

    That whole drive was a “head scratcher”. At the end of the day the reality is that the jets showed up to play and the Pats didn’t.
    So when is the draft anyway….

  6. righthereisay says: Jan 17, 2011 1:51 PM

    ‘That wasn’t about the Jets’ dime groupings. It was just poor clock management by New England.”

    Agreed. Bill Bellichek can be blamed. Maybe he isn’t perfect after all.

  7. chazzmon says: Jan 17, 2011 1:51 PM

    Clock management just seems like the easiest part of coaching. You can’t huddle up being down 10 points with 7 minutes left. You can’t assume you’ll get the onside kick. Belichek blew it! By the way the Pats aren’t that good when Brady doesn’t play lights out.

  8. 1phd says: Jan 17, 2011 1:52 PM

    Yep. Forget the short passes. They ran the ball over and over and ran out the clock on themselves. Usually the OTHER team does this. So much for any of the coaches on the team deserving a genius label. I guess they were playing to lose and the NFL wants the Jets to win this year.

  9. 420fan says: Jan 17, 2011 1:52 PM

    poor patsies out of the playoffs

    Poor Bill and Tom :(

    3 in a row too, sounds like the wheels come off when it matters now.

    Lets hear all the pats fans give excuses why

  10. deadeye says: Jan 17, 2011 1:55 PM

    The Jets looked awesome and the Patriots looked crappy. It’s not more complicated than that. Hat’s off to the Jets.

  11. chapnastier says: Jan 17, 2011 1:55 PM

    The pretty boy isn’t so golden today

  12. clusterpuck says: Jan 17, 2011 1:55 PM

    Gee the Brady and Belicheck machine sure has looked a lot different post spygate then it did pre spygate doesnt it? Coincidence? Doubtful.

  13. commoncents says: Jan 17, 2011 1:56 PM

    It’s one of the few losses I have seen that belongs to you Tom.

  14. jasoncnz says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    Tom Brady is now 4 and 5 in the playoffs since 2004 including 0 and 3 since 2007.

    In those 9 post-season games, He has thrown for 13 interceptions with an avg QB rating below 75.

    He has thrown at least 1 INT in 6 of those 9 games, with a whopping 3INT’s in 3 of the 9 games (one 3rd)

    How long can we continue to discount Brady’s playoff struggles by just saying, “Yaa but he’s got 3 rings”? Especially considering that those 3 rings came in his first 4 seasons, while he was still learning how to be a great QB?

  15. ny82jy says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    great game by the jets last night they really showed up. Now the pats and all of their fans get the whole offseason to see how it feels to get whipped by your division rival. Only difference is the jets sent them home the pats just fired up the jets when the whipped em.

  16. bravin4evr says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    All that means is that they didn’t have any in game tapes of their signals….. Brady’s playoff stats have been terrible since spy gate…. touchdown to int ratio wise…

  17. joecool16280 says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    Not to beat a dead horse but I really believe that not having spygate capabilities has weakened them.

    I have no horse in the race either.

    Montana remains the greatest!

  18. footballsavant says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    Brady was scared – he didn’t want get hit any more so, less plays = less hits.

  19. jetluv214 says: Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM

    At the end of the day pressure busts pipes. I never seen Brady so indecisive in my life. Rex Ryan said it was a coaching battle and whether you like it or not apparently he was right. Rex cut the head off of the machine built Patriots. Without a head the body can’t function

  20. tdk24 says: Jan 17, 2011 2:00 PM

    You’re just mad you picked the Pats to win.

  21. laxer37 says: Jan 17, 2011 2:08 PM

    The Pats were obviously too busy planning their Superbowl parade to put in a game plan since the media handed them the Lombardi two months ago.

  22. aaronrodgerschokes says: Jan 17, 2011 2:21 PM

    Brady can’t win in the playoffs unless his defense scores for him and Adam V hits a long field goal.

  23. Deb says: Jan 17, 2011 2:22 PM

    Disagree with chazzmon that clock management is the easiest part of coaching. If that were true, most teams wouldn’t suck at it when games get down to the wire. I think the reason the Pats took up so much time is that they weren’t expecting the Jets’ to run such diverse defensive packages and were simply confused and overwhelmed by their opponents. When the camera closed in on Brady, he didn’t look nonchalant–he looked desperate.

  24. dwinsgames says: Jan 17, 2011 2:25 PM

    Brady is wrong; they bogged down at the 15 on the next drive. On this one, they had 3rd and 13 from the 35. At this point, down 10, you have to complete a short pass and get into FG range even if you don’t get the 1st. When he didn’t, they had to go for it on 4th and came away empty. After burning so much clock, this was essentially game over.

  25. Wisconsin77 says: Jan 17, 2011 2:34 PM

    Still doesn’t explain all the run plays and running the play clock down to 5 seconds every play.

  26. moochzilla says: Jan 17, 2011 2:42 PM

    During that drive, Andy Reid asked if the Pats realized they were losing the game.

  27. patriotinvasion says: Jan 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    As a Patriots fan, I’ve already congratulated the Jets on a few articles here for coming to Gillette and beating us…great win for you guys… but all of this Brady post-spygate blabber is stupid…I happen to remember guys named Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour, and Law having a lot to do with winning those 3 Super Bowls. It wasn’t all Tom.

    And Jets fans — First of all, you guys better win in Pittsburgh or no one will every remember this win…remember that this wasn’t the Super Bowl. And, while you guys fight to resign big names in the new salary cap era next year, we’ll be drafting 6 of the top 96 college players under a rookie wage scale…see you next year!

  28. cull1224 says: Jan 17, 2011 2:49 PM

    Brady’s indecisiveness at the line does not excuse his running the clock down to almost 0 on every play. That is on him and the head coach (head cheese sounds more apt today) No excuse for the pace of that drive. Should the Pats score (FG or TD) on that drive with 4,5 minutes or so on the clock and 2,3 TOs in their pockets,different game than what we saw. Oh well, Celtics look solid for the playoffs, maybe the Bruins (he says with a chuckle) and the Sox can’t lose this year.

  29. flash1283 says: Jan 17, 2011 2:51 PM

    cornellsteelers says:
    Jan 17, 2011 1:45 PM
    Once again, Brady looks very average when under consistent pressure. I would take him over any QB in the league if I knew the opponent couldn’t get much pressure, but he would be pretty far down the list if I knew the QB would be under siege all day.

    ——

    Rex Ryan said in his post game press conference they didn’t blitz as much as they did in the last game because they tried playing man and blitzing and Brady killed them. He one of the best QB vs the blitz.

    So in this game they played zone, he had all day to pass but the coverage was to good.

    4 out of the 5 sacks were coverage sacks.

    Cleveland played the same D.
    Eric said the same thing “if you blitz him he will kill you.

  30. bspurloc says: Jan 17, 2011 2:54 PM

    .

    they were confident of a win is all.

    ok u can delete this post now too.
    amazing how many posts get deleted for no reason.

  31. rudegger says: Jan 17, 2011 2:56 PM

    He says all they are giving him is the underneath, then run to the line, snap the ball, and take the underneath. That didn’t happen.
    I think that Brady really believes all the BS that the media has said about him. Why would he have a sense of urgency when he is the Jesus of the NFL, and has God on the sideline?

    The fact of the matter is the Patriots defense sucks, they lack a credible run game, miss Randy Moss, and looked less deserving of a playoff game at 14-2 then the Seahawks at 7-9.

    The Pats are like the economy and the bubble has burst. The worst 14-2 team in football history.

  32. berniemadoffsides says: Jan 17, 2011 2:56 PM

    I think Kevin Gilbride (Giants OC) took over for the Pats last night… makes me feel better about another good franchise having a brain-dead OC.

  33. jvw1982 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:03 PM

    The pats offense is walk to the line and read the D and call the play….Brady couldnt read the D that is what took so long he couldnt just run up to the line and run a play thats not how that Offense works…..The Jets D showed him something he had never seen before and he coudnt figure out who was blitzing who was in coverage or who was in zone…once he thought he knew what he was looking for he had to make sure the wr was on the same page……

  34. rushmatic says: Jan 17, 2011 3:08 PM

    I hate to say it, but Brady had happy feet again — all game. I’ve seen him doing it since Green Bay, to be honest. Disrupt his timing and he struggles. That’s not Tom Brady, though, for you idiots out there (See! He sucks!!11!1 lol). The offensive system is predicated on timing and rhythm. The Jets had a great game plan and played it perfectly.

  35. rasta74 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:08 PM

    Can he explain the “deer in the head lights look” at the end of the game. LOL!!!! I hate the Pats and Jets. One down one more to go, cant wait till the steelers stomp on the Bart Scotts fat face. If we are out everyone in the AFC east are going out. Phins baby!

  36. marcuswelby1 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:21 PM

    To all you Brady bashers out there. Did you ever stop to think about how well the Jets O line protected Sanchez…and if you had a choice would you rather have Brady or Sanchez taking snaps from Mangold?

  37. shadowgm1 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:21 PM

    McDaniels coming back to NE??? Looked like they’re in dire need of one, especially after he left a couple years ago.

    Brady has now proven he doesn’t belong in the same area code as Manning when it comes to top QB in football chats. He’s a robot, not a field general. Probably can’t tell time either.

  38. larf003 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:23 PM

    dwinsgames says: Jan 17, 2011 2:25 PM

    Brady is wrong; they bogged down at the 15 on the next drive. On this one, they had 3rd and 13 from the 35. At this point, down 10, you have to complete a short pass and get into FG range even if you don’t get the 1st. When he didn’t, they had to go for it on 4th and came away empty. After burning so much clock, this was essentially game over.

    ——————————————–

    Great catch & one I missed upon my initial reading (of the article). Apparently Brady is still hearing bells, & is not completely with it after that beat down. Someone ought to check the pretty boy for some post traumatic stress syndrome. Gisele probably needs to take him to get a manicure & massage to help him through this tough time. Be careful though sweet thing….if you try to get him a pedicure he’ll have Rex Ryan flashbacks & wind up crying.

    Poor poor baby……we should all pitch in & buy Tommy boy a gift basket. Or maybe a nice ankle bracelet!

  39. patsfiend says: Jan 17, 2011 3:24 PM

    They taped from the sidelines. Only rule they broke. Many coaches admitted to taping and reviewing signals, just not from the sideline. Can’t believe how petty people are on here about discounting the run the Pats had, and even citing their recent playoffs losses, all on the heels of great seasons, and only the Baltimore game a blowout… as proof that only the cheating Patriots are winners. Your turd team should be so lucky as to have the season the Pats did this year.

    Worst 14-2 team? Give me a break, they played a top 5 schedule and beat every team they had to beat down the stretch.

    Run over? They are loaded with picks and had the youngest defense in the WHOLE LEAGUE this year. Pu-lease.

    There are a few top teams in the league, with about equal chances to win it all each year, and Pats are undoubtedly still in that class. I can live with that. They’ll be back. Haters, please continue to hate.

  40. theytukrjobs says: Jan 17, 2011 3:33 PM

    Meh, this is just Monday morning QB stuff. The Pats played it about right. You want that drive to take under 5 minutes, but at least they got the TD to keep themselves in it. Missing the onsides is one thing, but then not getting the stop on defense is what really sealed it. They get a stop there and have just enough time to win it.

    Now if the Jets were playing bad defense then sure you want to score quick and extend the game. But forcing the issue most likely would have ensured they weren’t even in the game at the end. At least they gave themselves a shot.

  41. shadowgm1 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:40 PM

    marcuswelby1 says:
    Jan 17, 2011 3:21 PM
    To all you Brady bashers out there. Did you ever stop to think about how well the Jets O line protected Sanchez…and if you had a choice would you rather have Brady or Sanchez taking snaps from Mangold?

    ————————————————–

    Yep. The Jets are paying top dollar for those guys too. The NE organization is second to none in finding talent in all rounds to comply with their system, especially offensive line. Brady’s career is what it is because of guys like Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Dan Koppen, et al, not because he alone uses his marginal talent to guide them.
    You are selling Dan Koppen way too short. And the point is mute, because this loss occurred since the organization has lately been trusting Brady to manage the offense as opposed to a coordinator. He now has proven he isn’t a Peyton Manning.

  42. vegaspopinjay says: Jan 17, 2011 3:42 PM

    You could hear the crowd during that drive yelling “Go! Go!” You almost have to wonder if Brady didn’t have a touch of the 1980 Soviet hockey team mentality and didn’t think the Pats could possibly lose.

  43. SteelTown6 says: Jan 17, 2011 3:53 PM

    patriotinvasion says: Jan 17, 2011 2:48 PM

    “And Jets fans — First of all, you guys better win in Pittsburgh or no one will every remember this win…”

    I’m not worried about remembering this win, I just hope you Pats fans never forget this loss.

    Your pain is our reward.

  44. gavinmac says: Jan 17, 2011 4:04 PM

    I agree that the clock management was poor. You have to take shots at the end zone and try to score with over two minutes left so you get the benefit of the two minute warning and don’t have to onside kick.

    Teams trailing by two scores who get the first needed score with 2-3 minutes remaining have a far better chance of winning than teams who get that score with just under two minutes left.

    Once you put yourself in a position where you need to onside kick your chances of winning decrease dramatically.

  45. bradyisgod says: Jan 17, 2011 4:17 PM

    Try a little humility for a change. You won by a score playing your best game of the year . Take the win a run Don’t look back .

  46. flash1283 says: Jan 17, 2011 4:25 PM

    shadowgm1 says:
    Jan 17, 2011 3:21 PM
    McDaniels coming back to NE??? Looked like they’re in dire need of one, especially after he left a couple years ago.

    Brady has now proven he doesn’t belong in the same area code as Manning when it comes to top QB in football chats. He’s a robot, not a field general. Probably can’t tell time either.
    —–
    Lame!!!

    How can you say he doesn’t belong in the same area code?
    The jets did the same thing to Manning last week, did you miss that game?

    Manning playoff record is 9-10 , 7 out of those 19 games have been 1 and done. Brady’s playoff record is 15-5 2 of those have been 1 and done.

    I don’t remember Brady having a 3 game stretch in the middle of the season where he threw 11 picks. But I guess those were all the receivers fault.

    And isn’t Brady about to win an MVP

  47. jasoncnz says: Jan 17, 2011 4:56 PM

    Tom Brady is now 4 and 5 in the playoffs since 2004 including 0 and 3 since 2007.

    In those 9 post-season games, He has thrown for 13 interceptions with an avg QB rating below 75.0

    He has thrown at least 1 INT in 6 of those 9 games, with a whopping 3 INT’s in 3 of the 9 games (one third!)

    How long can we continue to disregard Brady’s playoff struggles by just saying, “Yaa but he’s got 3 rings”? Especially considering that those 3 rings came in his first 4 seasons, while he was still learning how to be a great QB?

  48. adx321 says: Jan 17, 2011 5:02 PM

    flash1283 says: Jan 17, 2011 4:25 PM

    “How can you say he doesn’t belong in the same area code?
    The jets did the same thing to Manning last week, did you miss that game?

    Manning playoff record is 9-10 , 7 out of those 19 games have been 1 and done. Brady’s playoff record is 15-5 2 of those have been 1 and done.

    I don’t remember Brady having a 3 game stretch in the middle of the season where he threw 11 picks. But I guess those were all the receivers fault.

    And isn’t Brady about to win an MVP”

    Uhh no.

    Manning had a 109 QB rating last week. The Jets did what they had to do to win but it was not a similar QB performance.

    Brady did nothing the entire game until the garbage TD.

    If Indy picks up a few 3rd and 1′s on those runs who knows. Manning didn’t play exceptional but he had was without question the better qb that night considering Sanchizes qb rating in the 60′s.

    Brady got outplayed by Sanchize plain and simple.

    So Brady is going to win the mvp… has Manning not won it before? Were 3 games in the middle of the season the deciding factor for Indy this year? No. In fact he STOPPED throwing interceptions soon after and controlled the ball very well.

  49. gypjet says: Jan 17, 2011 5:02 PM

    Maybe Tommy will wear high heels and mini skirts next year. I hope is beautiful locks are flowing to his butt by summer camp.

  50. hawkapalooza says: Jan 17, 2011 5:24 PM

    Maybe he shouldn’t have gone to see “Lombardi”?

  51. swinbun says: Jan 17, 2011 5:26 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Jan 17, 2011 2:48 PM
    As a Patriots fan, I’ve already congratulated the Jets on a few articles here for coming to Gillette and beating us…great win for you guys… but all of this Brady post-spygate blabber is stupid…I happen to remember guys named Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour, and Law having a lot to do with winning those 3 Super Bowls. It wasn’t all Tom.

    ———————————————-

    Patriotinvasion:

    The Multimedia Department in Foxboro did more than just tape the opposing defenses……….

    Do you think they didn’t take a look at what opposing offenses did? Also Rothlisberger and other offensive players for the Steelers have publicly stated that the Patriots defenders were calling out their plays in the 2004 AFC Championship Game. And it may have been more than just video taping. Some feel that players were mic’d up.

    Bottom line, much of the stuff Patriots fans rip the Colts and Peyton Manning for are now happening to you. I couldn’t be happier.

  52. swinbun says: Jan 17, 2011 5:31 PM

    marcuswelby1 says:
    Jan 17, 2011 3:21 PM
    To all you Brady bashers out there. Did you ever stop to think about how well the Jets O line protected Sanchez…and if you had a choice would you rather have Brady or Sanchez taking snaps from Mangold?

    ————————————————–

    This from a guy who probably rips the you know what out of Peyton Manning after a Colts loss, going to the “Brady is so clutch, and “Gets it done in January when it counts.” How would have Giesele done all season throwing behind the Colts line? ……….thought so

  53. richm2256 says: Jan 17, 2011 5:39 PM

    Two weeks ago most of these idiots talking up Manning over Brady were admitting that Brady had finally established himself this year as the better QB.

  54. patriotinvasion says: Jan 17, 2011 5:44 PM

    @swinbun

    Offensive play calls go to the QB’s helmet which made the Steelers claims that we knew their plays comical. Ward was just airing sour grapes for getting whooped twice at home in the AFC Championship Game…As for those defensive signals, you do realize they were in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium…any man, woman, child, coach or puppy could use a pair of cheap binoculars and record what they saw on a notepad…which coaches already did…a camera doesn’t win 3 Super Bowls bro…pretty sure football players do…AND, the Patriots defense was the strength of their team from 2001-2004…it was only the 2004 season with Dillon that the Patriots offense was a real strength…

  55. lowleadman says: Jan 17, 2011 5:59 PM

    As a Pat fan I am here to say congratulations to Rex Ryan. His ploy worked. His plan worked. The way, the only way, to rattle Brady is to bring pressure up the middle and the Jets certainly did that. The Pats did not play a good game and that was because, in large part, of the Jets. I was at the game and when Brady threw that first pick, I could feel the air being sucked out of the stadium, even though it didn’t cost us any points.

    I look forward to next year and beyond continuing the great rivalry that is the Jets/Pats. I just read it was the most watched divisional game in history. Everybody cares.

    Next year, the Pats will have plenty of draft picks to add offensive line help, a legit pass rusher, and a wideout and running back would also help.

    This year it was the Jets. Now the Pats have something to work on in the offseason.

  56. kom2k10 says: Jan 17, 2011 6:10 PM

    I didn’t see much pressure in this game. It looked like Brady had 7 seconds to throw sometimes, but was always LOOKING for pressure that wasn’t really there. He got spooked! O-Line played fine… Brady didn’t

  57. flash1283 says: Jan 17, 2011 6:14 PM

    @ adx321

    To say Brady did nothing till garbage time is wrong, the td that made it a 3 point game wasn’t garbage time and the second td pass made it 28-21 with a chance for an onside kick so I don’t know if I would call that garbage time.

    Look I’m not saying Manning isn’t a great QB , I think Manning and Brady are this generations Marino and Montana.

    It just me that people try to discredit everything Brady has done just because they don’t like the Patriots for whatever reason (usually it’s just jealousy)

    You don’t have to like Manning or Brady for whatever reason, but be a man and give credit when it’s due.

  58. bigdaddy44 says: Jan 17, 2011 6:35 PM

    The Patriots lost this game in Brady’s head. Ryan and the Jets defense and maybe the NJ Jets-Jerry Springer show this week seems to have fried his brain. In every shot of him he looked like he was stoned. He looked like someone had just run over his dog. There was no emotion. He had a constant blank look. He buried his head in the defensive photos like he didn’t want to be there. When Brady throws to a receiver who doesn’t turn in time, you blame the receiver. When it happens multiple times, you blame the quarterback. The most telling sign that Brady could not handle the Jets was the fourth quarter clock management. Down 10 points in the fourth quarter, the Patriots ran an 8-minute, Donovan McNabb Superbowl-like clock killing drive. Instead of letting Brady run the hurry up offense that he does best, the Pats ran the offense as if they were trying to protect a rookie quarterback. Then Brady gives a Jim Caldwellesque answer to the clock management question in the post-game press conference. Something about if they had got in the end zone, they would have been down only 3 with four minutes left. Hey Tom, how about getting in the end zone and being down 3 with 7 minutes left? Or if you failed on that drive, possibly leaving time for another possession? The bottom line is that the Jets created the circumstances that led to this meltdown and deserve to be playing for the AFC title next week. Kudos to them. Or maybe Brady’s dog did really die. (Since originally posting this comment I’ve been told that during the clock killing drive that Belichick was screaming at Brady to pass the ball. Brady kept calling audibles to running plays. Just another indication of the number the Jets did on his head. When your leader on the field has lost his confidence and drive, your team is dead in the water. Oh well, three months to the draft!)

  59. swinbun says: Jan 17, 2011 9:58 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Jan 17, 2011 5:44 PM
    @swinbun

    Offensive play calls go to the QB’s helmet which made the Steelers claims that we knew their plays comical. Ward was just airing sour grapes for getting whooped twice at home in the AFC Championship Game…As for those defensive signals, you do realize they were in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium…any man, woman, child, coach or puppy could use a pair of cheap binoculars and record what they saw on a notepad…which coaches already did…a camera doesn’t win 3 Super Bowls bro…pretty sure football players do…AND, the Patriots defense was the strength of their team from 2001-2004…it was only the 2004 season with Dillon that the Patriots offense was a real strength…

    ————————————————–I fully realize that offensive plays sent via radio to the qb. But do you think that the 2001 Super Bowl was the only practice of an opposing team that the Pats decided to film? Is that legal?
    Also, while all signals are there for the stadium to see, it is clearly a serious violation. Is it not? And if it is so rampant around the league, why has nobody else been caught……Oh wait, someone did!!!! A former Coordinator for the Patriots!!! What a shocker!!!

    Lastly, it has been rumored(although never proven) that the Patriots mic’d defensive linemen and linebackers to pick up the opposing qb’s signals. Rothlisbeger and other Steelers were shocked at how the Patriots were calling out their signals in the 2004 AFC Championship. Wouldn’t shock me if this were true

  60. patriotinvasion says: Jan 17, 2011 11:26 PM

    @swinbun

    Your facts are all messed up. The Patriots DID NOT film the Rams walkthrough. Unless your are living in a cave, the Boston Herald retracted the story and even Matt Walsh (the guy trying to bring us down) said he did not film it. So that takes care of your first point.

    Also, I did not say filming signals was rampant around the league…I said all coaches had staff assigned to watch signalers for clues and to steal signs…it’s been a part of football since its inception.

    Lastly, the whole mic’d up players thing was part of the wacky speculations that ensued from spygate. In fact, the Dolphins were widely considered guilty of this in 2006 when the Patriots lost 21-0 in Miami…

    Review your facts man…they’re off in your post

  61. patriotinvasion says: Jan 17, 2011 11:29 PM

    And finally…Jimmy Johnson openly admits to filming defensive signals as a coach…He said they didn’t get much from it so he eventually stopped doing it…

    So if you want to question the Patriots Super Bowls (which is silly since cameras don’t win Super Bowls) than you have to throw the ’92 and ’93 Dallas Cowboys into your stew of conspiracy theories for why your team has stunk against the Pats for a decade

  62. godellgetalife says: Jan 18, 2011 12:01 AM

    i have to add my 2 cents here about all the talk about the pats being cheaters and all the pats fans defending their team.the nfl levied a heavy fine aginst the team & B. B. as well as took away a first round pick that by it’s self should tell anyone who’s paying attetion that the pats were guilty of cheating,the nfl would not have been that hard on them for no good reason.2 other things i’d like to add 1- is the head video guy who wanted immunity before he talked to anyone told me that he knew some prety damning stuff.2-B.B. went on air and said he did not believe they were doing anything wrong.that really tripps me out,because those rules have been in place in the nfl since they started the video history of the nfl and B.B. had been involved in coaching in the nfl for nearly 20 years at the time of his statement i just do not believe he was not aware of those rules. so the bottom line is like it or not pats fans your team is guilty of cheating and i’d like to add that i do not extend that to the players i believe it was more of the coaching staff,the players just did what they were told in game situations.and it makes any players job much easier when the coaches pretty much know what the other team is about to do before they do it.

  63. patriotinvasion says: Jan 18, 2011 9:17 PM

    @godellgetalife

    How did the Patriots know what a team was going to do before they do it? You do realize that A.) Each team could/should (if they were smart) and did change their signals from week to week…B.) Teams had 2 or 3 “dummy signalers” on the sidelines to prevent teams from you know, stealing signals (Hmmm…seems like teams do this because they know other teams try to steal signal because it was a part of football!!!)…

    So the Patriots would have to hope that a team not only did not change their signals, but that they could guess which signal was the correct call from 4 dudes on the sidelines sending in signals to the defense (3 dummies, 1 real). And not only that…they have about 25 seconds to figure it out…lol, not happening.

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