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Maurkice Pouncey helped Steelers gain key first down in unusual way

Maurkice Pouncey

Several of you have forwarded to us an intriguing clip from early in the fourth quarter of the division-round game between the Steelers and Ravens.  And while we’re not prepared to label the maneuver depicted therein as “cheating,” it’s definitely worth pointing out the tactic employed, in the hopes that the officials will be on the lookout for such behavior in the future.

After a third-down pass from Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to receiver Antonio Brown moved the ball inside the 15, the officials spotted the ball on the fourteen, with most of the ball behind the stripe on the hash mark.  (It actually looked to be a bad spot; Brown seemed to get beyond the 14 when he fell.)

Enter Maurkice Pouncey.  As the Steelers lined up for fourth down, Pouncey placed his hand on the ball and moved it noticeably forward, to the other side of the 14.  Then, Ravens coach John Harbaugh disrupted the process, apparently because he believed the officials had given the Steelers a first down, and because Harbaugh was considering challenging it.  (The more likely reality is that Harbaugh was feigning confusion so that his defense would get a look at the offensive alignment, the time-honored “time out without calling a time out” maneuver.)

Referee Jeff Triplette announced there would be no challenge to the spot because the officials had not given the Steelers a first down, which should have been obvious from the fact that the chains had not, you know, moved.  A shot of the ball then showed it resting at the spot to which Pouncey had moved it before Harbaugh bought time for his defense, with most of it now on the other side of the 14-yard stripe.

Though the clip doesn’t reveal Pouncey moving it a second time (the producer cut to a shot of Roethlisberger moving the offense quickly toward the line), the next image from the traditional in-game sideline camera shows the ball entirely between the 14 and 13.

The officials then intervene, forcing the Steelers to wait to snap the ball until the Ravens have a chance to line up.

And then Pouncey puts his hand on the ball and moves it again.

In the end, fourth and one became fourth and inches, thanks to what amounted to three separate movements of the ball by Pouncey.  Roethlisberger then easily converted the first down on a different kind of “sneak”.

We don’t fault Pouncey for it.  We doubt that he’s the first guy to do it.  Moreover, the Steelers ultimately were forced to settle for a field goal, so the only harm was the consumption of nearly two minutes in the very early portion of the final quarter.

In our view, the officials are the ones who deserve the blame here.  They need to be aware of the phenomenon of centers trying to take advantage of these hidden inches, especially when his team is going for it on fourth and short.

Remember, only the best officiating crews work in the postseason.  Perhaps a non-playoff crew would have allowed Pouncey to pick the ball up and carry it beyond the orange stick.

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129 Responses to “Maurkice Pouncey helped Steelers gain key first down in unusual way”
  1. dotnukem says: Jan 18, 2011 6:54 AM

    Stay classy, Pittsburgh

  2. joemontanawasthegreatest says: Jan 18, 2011 6:54 AM

    For anyone that has ever played football they know EVERY center does that…..or tries to. Even a few inches at a time matter.

  3. myvickinabox14 says: Jan 18, 2011 6:58 AM

    If your not cheating your not trying right. Another class act

  4. stevemo says: Jan 18, 2011 7:03 AM

    How much of an advantage is that? The center is stretching out his arm further than normal so the ball is closer to the first down maker, but Ben and everyone else is in their normal positions.

  5. gforce90 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:04 AM

    Everyone hates Pittsburgh. Let’s go Jets, the lesser of two evils!

  6. gforce90 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:05 AM

    Is anyone surprised the Refs did nothing about this? Typical Steelers bias!

  7. countyk66ers says: Jan 18, 2011 7:05 AM

    If Pittsburgh would have called for a measurement and got a first down this would matter, otherwise no. The chain gang would have the correct mark.

  8. gforce90 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:05 AM

    The real funny part is Pittsburgh fans have to actually live in Pittsburgh….yuck!

  9. gforce90 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:06 AM

    Oops…not all Pittsburgh fans live in Pittsburgh, they are just bandwagon fans. They also like the Yankees, Lakers, and Tiger Woods. BANDWAGON!

  10. sbs9101314304043 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:14 AM

    Seriously. Did they have footage from the grassy knoll too.

    Why is this a news story?

  11. danzka87 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:14 AM

    I used to play center, and I did this all the time – every inch counts! If the ref or the opposing players noticed it I placed the ball back, but honestly – that rarely happened…I thought that refs in the NFL would notice this though…

  12. davepsu says: Jan 18, 2011 7:15 AM

    Shocking!

    First team to use steroids which leads to 4 titles when no other teams was doing it.

    Handed a superbowl by the officials.

    Employing a twice accused rapist.

    Now more cheating. Not surprising from such a classless organization. Finding ways to cheat because they aren’t good enough to win straight up.

  13. joetoronto says: Jan 18, 2011 7:18 AM

    It’s only cheating if you get caught.

    God only knows how many centers have tried this in the past.

  14. knon2000 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:18 AM

    Most centers move the ball forward, usually by slightly more than the full length of the football once they get to the line of scrimmage. That is why when they show the sideline shot of the line, the defense is often lined up slightly in the neutral-zone, but the ref’s realize this, and don’t call an infraction. In this particular case, it seems that the non-challenge was at fault for the eventual additional movement of the ball since the refs were forced to scrap the play. Once they reset the ball, it was moved again. Seems rather weird that the defense that was over the ball didn’t notice the spot was wrong, especially since they are the ones that knew exactly where they needed to kill the play. Seems that Harbaugh’s shenanigans came back to bite his team.

  15. ispysomething7 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:19 AM

    Some officials are on the payroll of the Rooney’s. Have been since ’79.

  16. righthereisay says: Jan 18, 2011 7:21 AM

    Interesting. Is this something that Centers get away with? I’ve never monitored that, but always wondered when it is 4th and an inch how the center always pick it up and move it a bit.

  17. russrpm says: Jan 18, 2011 7:25 AM

    Typical Triplette called game. I hate to see him coming out of the tunnel; his whole crew always seems confused.

  18. chopblockraylewis says: Jan 18, 2011 7:25 AM

    doesn’t look intentional to me. he initially moved the ball forward- but his body doesn’t move- a lot of centres do this when they address the ball. after the first whistle blows, he resets the ball to where it started.if harbaugh didn’t try to cheat a mini time out- seriously he knows the spot is not challengeable- the ball wouldn’t have moved at all.
    totally the refs fault for not respotting though….

    i imagine this happens in virtually every game.

    cue all the raven fans claiming that three inches cost them the game!

    steelers > ravens

  19. dccowboy says: Jan 18, 2011 7:28 AM

    So what kind of penalty is it? How far ‘forward’ must a Center move the ball before it becomes a penalty?

  20. iluvwikileaks says: Jan 18, 2011 7:28 AM

    Slow news day, huh?

  21. kaakwha says: Jan 18, 2011 7:36 AM

    Steelers cheat, Refs look other way…. so, what else is new?

  22. cup1981 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:41 AM

    gforce90 says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:06 AM
    Oops…not all Pittsburgh fans live in Pittsburgh, they are just bandwagon fans. They also like the Yankees, Lakers, and Tiger Woods. BANDWAGON!

    ————————————————–

    Hey Douche, I don’t live in Pittsburgh and I have been a die-hard fan my entire life. Go to Tampa, Fl, or any city for that matter and see the Steeler Clubs. Many Pittsburgh fans move from the city, but still love the team, hence they are the most followed franchise in all of the NFL. Every game is a home game for the Steelers!

  23. hotdiggitydave says: Jan 18, 2011 7:41 AM

    Quite possibly the dumbest story I have ever seen on this site.

  24. Omar Comin says: Jan 18, 2011 7:42 AM

    Even though the Ravens sharted the bed, you cannot look in the mirror and say to yourself that the refs didn’t play a part in the outcome of that game. That punt return call was one of the most bobo calls I have witnessed as an NFL fan.. it’s the F’in playoffs!! You don’t make calls like that!

  25. uhnoreally says: Jan 18, 2011 7:44 AM

    too many dvrs too much time.

  26. myspaceyourface says: Jan 18, 2011 7:44 AM

    Hater’s Hate, look for any excuse to complain. . . . . so, what else is new?

  27. myspaceyourface says: Jan 18, 2011 7:47 AM

    Maybe Coach Harbaugh shouldn’t have tried to cheat and get the Steelers formation. Tit for Tat and by the way, show me a center who doesn’t move the ball around when he lines up.

    Do you people realize PFT is turning into TMZ.

  28. rougwave says: Jan 18, 2011 7:48 AM

    Why focus on one of the most entertaining games of the season when there is such sensational news as a center creeping the ball forward. I’m sure this is a first in the NFL. But at least it gives the Steeler haters something to whine about.

  29. kerrdog211 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:50 AM

    Every center in the league readjusts the football on every play. Do you even watch football?

  30. clusterpuck says: Jan 18, 2011 7:55 AM

    Steelers win.

    Rest of the world cries and blames refs and anything else they can think of because they are jealous.

    What else is new.

  31. markdamack says: Jan 18, 2011 7:58 AM

    Yeah, i’m a Cowboys fan..so I hate the Steelers. With that said, if everyone is still in their same spot, and the ball is still being snapped back to the qb, is it really an advantage? Did he move the ball up, and then after everyone reset the ball was still a few inches farther up? I could see how that would be an advantage, but if the rest of the guys are still in their same spot, it doesn’t really matter.

  32. 78deville says: Jan 18, 2011 8:02 AM

    You people crack me up. It’s perfectly fine for Harbaugh to buy some time for his defense to get back to the line. that’s ok, so long as it’s happening against your opponent.

    But the steelers are evil…

  33. sbs0311 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:04 AM

    Pouncey did not gain as much as being purported.

    What he did gain were the feet/inches from before Harbaugh challenged and after because the refs didn’t return the ball to the original spot.

    But, when the team lines up, and Pouncey moves the ball forward, the OL, Pouncey included, and Ben are already in their spots.

    Whether the ball is right under the center or 2 feet in front of the center, the OL and Ben are starting from the same spot.

    The unfair advantage here is that Pouncey, by doing what he does, and the rules regarding offsides and neutral zone infractions, could force the defense to back off more than they should have to for fear of being offsides since the ball is being pushed towards them.

    That actually seems to be more of an issue.

  34. cobrala says: Jan 18, 2011 8:05 AM

    “We don’t fault Pouncey for it.”

    I do. I don’t care if others do it – and others do NOT do THAT – that was beyond excessive. ‘Others’ move the ball ~6″-9″ on average in my observations. What you’re describing is more like 18″. You’re excusing unsportsmanlike conduct, and there’s zero good reason to do so.

    Anyways, as much respect as I’ve lost for the Pittsburgh Steelers this year, the whole ‘they got the refs’ bit is just plain dumb and tired. No NFL fan except Steelers haters remotely thinks such things.

  35. geezohman says: Jan 18, 2011 8:12 AM

    lol, that is awesome… lol

    i was at the game and wondered what the heck is going on…

    the Steelers go up to the line to snap the ball.. refs are in the middle, the PLAY clock is stopped at 13 seconds… WHAT????????

    I say…. if the PLAY CLOCK STARTS… and the offense can go… for you ‘refs favor’ Pittsburgh.. they STOPPED the play from happening… allowing Baltimore a ‘second’ chance.

    As far as Refs… did the Refs… make TJ Housch drop the ball? did the Refs have RICE fumble… I don’t think so… The Refs…stood around and waited for someone to pick up Big Bens ‘fumble’…

    and Lewis crys it wasn’t fair his defense had to shoulder two turnovers by his offense… The Steeler defense did !

    The better team won…. thats why they were home.. (and had lost to the Jets and to New England)… I’m realistic… i put the Steelers at 12-4 and splitting the Ravens game, didn’t figure it would be in each others stadium..

    THIS GAME WILL BE CLOSE…. cut the trash talk…NO ONE knows which team will win…

    Let the Players play. Go to ESPN and see Clayton break down the penalties in the playoffs… hardly ANY hold penalties so far ! IT truly is a ‘different’ game !

    WHO IS THE OFFICIALs in this game… PLease NOT the same crew from Ravens Steelers game, they couldn’t keep it str8 if it were boy scouts playing

  36. Spoonthis says: Jan 18, 2011 8:13 AM

    Yes Dierdorf, that was pretty crafty. Well put.

  37. ninjapleazee says: Jan 18, 2011 8:14 AM

    that was not an “accidental” move.. you can tell he clearly shifted the ball and moved it back when play was stopped and moved it forward again… like they’ve said before.. you only cheat if you get caught

  38. A.R. Duckworth says: Jan 18, 2011 8:14 AM

    Every Centre does that on every play. Some times on 4 and inches you can visibly see the centre get the first down before the snap is made.

    Never played centre but i’m guessing they do it on purpose with the phony excuse they are “just trying to get a better grip on it”.

  39. vahawker says: Jan 18, 2011 8:16 AM

    Steeler hater since 1970, but seriously, watch a game and see the center do this on nearly every play.

  40. lennydpocketqb says: Jan 18, 2011 8:18 AM

    I’ve seem this on TV countless times. I always wondered why the refs never called this when it was happening. How do the refs miss this? They are on the field. Very Odd. Great that someone finally brought this up.

  41. cjjetsfan says: Jan 18, 2011 8:21 AM

    “Then, Ravens coach John Harbaugh disrupted the process, apparently because he believed the officials had given the Steelers a first down, and because Harbaugh was considering challenging it. (The more likely reality is that Harbaugh was feigning confusion so that his defense would get a look at the offensive alignment, the time-honored “time out without calling a time out” maneuver.)”

    Mike, glad you pointed out that bit of gamesmanship by Harbaugh, because at the time it seemed like a brilliant move (that was the tail end of a long Steelers drive) for his defense, but of course the Gumbel/Dierdorf good times train missed it completely.

  42. mitchitized says: Jan 18, 2011 8:23 AM

    Centers have many reasons for doing this, and none of which have to do with illegally moving the ball forward.

    Playing lots of Madden and yelling a lot doesn’t make you a seasoned veteran footballer. *sigh*

    DEFINITELY a slow news day.

  43. raiderinpa says: Jan 18, 2011 8:25 AM

    Damn Cheaters!!

    Its no surprise, these lames have had the refs in their back pocket since the 70’s….. Immaculate De-ception anyone??

    It goes to show that you not only have to beat the Steelers team in Pittsburgh, but the refs as well…

  44. arcaero says: Jan 18, 2011 8:28 AM

    Jeff Tripplett and his crew are consistently inconsistent. I alway shudder when I see that he is the lead official. It’s like watching an old silent comedy movie. He and his crew seem to lead the league in wrong calls, non calls, and seldom does he overturn a replay challenge. What ever you do, don’t get in the way of his 2 lb. lead weighted yellow hanky missile. It’s all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.

  45. Kaz says: Jan 18, 2011 8:28 AM

    There is no reason to believe that the Refs were unaware of this.

  46. conseannery says: Jan 18, 2011 8:33 AM

    This has been happening since the advent of the game. Seriously.

  47. occamssabre says: Jan 18, 2011 8:33 AM

    As a Ravens fan, I personally don’t think its “cheating” but rather, part of the game. I don’t think it cost them the game either, it just helped them get a 1st down. I’ve got far more issues with the coaching and pathetic play by the entire offense and defense in the second half to worry about than this crap.

    I love my Ravens, but they need to tighten things up if they want to win a Super Bowl.

  48. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:34 AM

    good thing you dont need to remove your pacifier to type and whine

  49. lichnor says: Jan 18, 2011 8:34 AM

    “sbs9101314304043 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:14 AM

    Seriously. Did they have footage from the grassy knoll too.

    Why is this a news story?”

    You must be new here…..

  50. blitz1717 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:36 AM

    Gforce are you Jealous about the Steelers. Let me ask this that no one has really brought up. Since people like you are stretching I will point this out. When the Ravens scored on the Ben fumble and it was a fumble. Ben got hit in the head by the Ravens defender. By rule that should have be a personal foul for hitting the QB in the head and give the Steelers a automatic first down. No TD Ravens and Steelers ball. How much does that inch matter now?

  51. steellady says: Jan 18, 2011 8:43 AM

    (It actually looked to be a bad spot; Brown seemed to get beyond the 14 when he fell.)

  52. steelhammer92 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:47 AM

    It would only be newsworthy if he moved the ball forward and the entire Steelers team moved along with it. I get what he is trying to accomplish (offside, getting the defense to line up inches farther than they have to, etc.) But I doubt the majority of you who read and write on this site actually played football or can grasp any concept of football outside of the articles written here. Watch any game and you will see that on short yardage plays, the center always nudges the ball forward. I’ve even seen some pick it up and re-spot themselves

    The article should have focused on how Harbaugh got away with throwing the red flag instead of a timeout because his guys were scrambling unprepared. That’s bending the rules/cheating way more than anything Pouncey did and actually did affect the outcome of the play, even though the Steelers converted.

  53. zimrie says: Jan 18, 2011 8:48 AM

    This same footage has been showed every year. They have showed just about every center in the football doing it. Pounce just got a few Wacks at it , the 49ers were caught countless times during there SB runs in the 80’s The bears in 85, the Pats. In the 90’s. Ect… It just a losers way of complaint about losing

  54. drumbug7 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:50 AM

    Where’s the uproar about Harbaugh using the “phantom time out” to “challenge” the imaginary first down ruling on the same play, to give his defense time to get settled? How is that different than what Pouncey did?

    The refs didn’t drop passes in the second half. That was Houshmanzadeh and Boldin. The players in the uniforms need to make the plays in order to win.

  55. wycoff says: Jan 18, 2011 8:53 AM

    What a shocker!?! A center trying to move the ball forward!?! I bet that that has never happened before in the history of football!

    What’s next, supersleuth? Are you going to try to tell us that players in a pile-up try to secretly hurt each other?

  56. voxveritass says: Jan 18, 2011 8:53 AM

    Unless Pouncey went to the sidelines and moved the chains everyone needs to put their tin foil hats away.
    Thanks for playing.

  57. wycoff says: Jan 18, 2011 8:55 AM

    davepsu says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:15 AM
    Shocking!

    First team to use steroids which leads to 4 titles when no other teams was doing it.

    Handed a superbowl by the officials.

    Employing a twice accused rapist.
    _________

    That’s right! You forgot to add that Bill Cowher bought Bill Bellichick his first camcorder and that Art Rooney’s dad killed Abe Lincoln.

  58. occamssabre says: Jan 18, 2011 8:56 AM

    And I will add that Terrell Suggs had his usual solid game against the Steelers. To those Steeler fans crying that Suggs hit Ben in the head on his sack/fumble, I’ve got a feeling the refs let that slide when a QB fumbles. Flacco is hit in the head ALL THE TIME when he’s been sacked/tackled so give it a rest…

  59. richie500 says: Jan 18, 2011 8:59 AM

    Steelers must have learned these things from the Jets and Patriots special teams coaches.
    Line- up everyone.

  60. danj3678 says: Jan 18, 2011 9:03 AM

    stevemo says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:03 AM
    “How much of an advantage is that? The center is stretching out his arm further than normal so the ball is closer to the first down maker, but Ben and everyone else is in their normal positions.”

    This would be true had the play ran originally, but it did not.. there was a stoppage twice after the Center had touched the ball… which means that every time they lined back up they were a little bit closer… and one yard makes a huge difference on 4th down.

  61. claymatthewsisonsteroids says: Jan 18, 2011 9:07 AM

    Stay thirsty my friends

  62. johnah says: Jan 18, 2011 9:07 AM

    Great headline; but they didn’t gain a 1st down and if you watch every center in the game grabs the ball and moves it forward as they set it up to snap. If they then had to put it back down twice because of officials and/or a coach questioning something then the ball will move forward.

    Is is one more thing the refs should pay better attention to, maybe; but certainly not cheating the way you have characterized it here. I know there are only two games to gossip about this week and you need all the page views you can get before the season end; but don’t reach quite so far in trying to drum up a controversy. There are great games to be played this weekend and football fans are going to be engaged!

  63. ty46 says: Jan 18, 2011 9:08 AM

    It’s not a defense for cheaters, that every C does this. They move it maybe inches, but not half a yard or more, than half a yard… Fact is, Steelers are dirtiest in the NFL.

  64. fbref says: Jan 18, 2011 9:15 AM

    The umpire would have had a much better view of this trick in his old position. The L & H should have also had a good view of this, especially the H (since he has the official chains) but there is so much other crap going on that they are responsible for, I can see how the L & H didn’t necessarily notice, or that they were at least sure enough it happened to stop play.

  65. rangenius says: Jan 18, 2011 9:18 AM

    Sttelers cheat just as bad as the Patriots, plus they used the refs to win two Superbowls that rightfully belonged to the Seahawks and Cardinals…

    Hopefully Good prevails over evil again this week…

    GO JETS

  66. thevillain112 says: Jan 18, 2011 9:18 AM

    Every center in the NFL does this except Kyle Cook. Cook actually moves the ball back several inches. Paul Alexander if you are reading this, tell Cook to stop moving the damn ball back!!!

  67. daryllh says: Jan 18, 2011 9:19 AM

    Sounds like a move any future hall of fame center would do. This guy’s a beast and is already the best center in the leage in his first year.

    I would write a story about how fat Matt Birk sabotaged the Ravens by snapping the ball wrong, causing the Steelers to recover the fumble. That’s a bigger story. /sarcasm

  68. rgwhodey says: Jan 18, 2011 9:23 AM

    kaakwha says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:36 AM
    Steelers cheat, Refs look other way…. so, what else is new?

    ————————————-

    Every year its the same thing… get used to it…

  69. PCa Survivor says: Jan 18, 2011 9:28 AM

    Guess Harbaugh shouldn’t have tried his cheeky delay of game tactic by throwing a bogus red flag

  70. holeinone09 says: Jan 18, 2011 9:30 AM

    Yep, Pouncey moving the ball here was the reason the Ravens lost. It had nothing to do with the paltry 126 yards the Ravens got on offense, or the big plays Ben made when he needed to, or Flacco’s terrible interception throw, or the drops by the Ravens WR’s. Nothing at all.

    GO STEELERS!!

  71. blackngoldmachine says: Jan 18, 2011 9:33 AM

    The only excuse you haters got..”Steelers cheat, Patriots cheat”. If you can’t man-up and admit we are the 2 most dominant teams in the past decade…go post on a soccer site.

    GO STEELERS!

  72. masteel says: Jan 18, 2011 9:38 AM

    ENOUGH!!

    Refs don’t help Steelers!! And no possible way do they cheat. The take care of what they control and that is their team & their schedule of opponents.

    This past season Steelers had the worst (highest) penalty game as a franchise – when they played Oakland they were flagged 16 times for 140 yards, just an outrageous number.

    James Harrison was targeted by the league and Refs for his ‘hits’ to defenseless receivers. He was fined an extraordinary amount during one stretch of games, and basically half of the NFL audience predicted it was only a matter of time until he would be ejected from a game for a hit.

    During a 5 or 6 game stretch Steelers were averaging 10 penalties for 105+ yards a game!!?

    Heath Miller took a shot in the head – no call on Ravens LB (but he got fined). Ben had his nose relocated somewhere by Ngata – no call (Ngata was fined). Ben got punched in head during Bengals game – no call. And during this playoff game Suggs went right into Ben’s knee and lower leg – no call.

    With all that said I don’t believe or feel Ngata or McClain or Suggs or Bengal D lineman intended on committing a penalty. BUT they happened and no calls.

    ENOUGH with the Refs helping Steelers. It is outrageous and inconceivable. Some of these posts make you out to be uninformed or just lunatic (conspiracy theory) fans of opposing teams.

  73. johnnyo808 says: Jan 18, 2011 9:40 AM

    Wow!! Harbaugh manages to call a phantom time out in a key situation, and the story is that the Steelers cheated?!?!?

    The Steelers easily get the 1st down there without Harbaugh pretending he doesn’t know what’s going on. Why don’t we focus on that a little more and discuss how the Ravens received a 4th time out? (even though the refs are all working for the Steelers)

  74. Caldon says: Jan 18, 2011 9:41 AM

    Is it the reason the Ravens lost? No.

    Is it cheating? Yes.

    Do other centers do it? Likely

    Does that absolve the person who gets caught? Nope. Its still cheating.

    I hate fans who can’t see past their teams rose colored glasses. You can love your team and still dislike something they do or decry something as cheating.

  75. Sandra Lee's Cans says: Jan 18, 2011 9:41 AM

    And Roethlisberger got the first down by at least four feet. Non-story.

  76. villagoo says: Jan 18, 2011 9:43 AM

    This happens every single play. Not only that but #7 had the first down by over a yard. Triplett called a terrible game imo, but you can’t really complain about a center moving the ball the week after the game.

  77. ncoolong says: Jan 18, 2011 9:49 AM

    danj3678 says:
    Jan 18, 2011 9:03 AM
    stevemo says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:03 AM
    “How much of an advantage is that? The center is stretching out his arm further than normal so the ball is closer to the first down maker, but Ben and everyone else is in their normal positions.”

    This would be true had the play ran originally, but it did not.. there was a stoppage twice after the Center had touched the ball… which means that every time they lined back up they were a little bit closer… and one yard makes a huge difference on 4th down.
    ———————————————

    That’s all very true…maybe you should be asking why it was the Steelers had to line up three separate times. It’s not Pouncey’s job to spot the ball, it’s the officials.

    Harbaugh craftily bought himself a free timeout with enough time to look at the formation the Steelers were running (which was specifically designed to catch them off-guard). Seems pretty equal to me.

    Mike’s point is right on, if you want to blame anyone, blame the officials, because the problem is not where the ball is spotted, it’s where the team is lined up. If the Steelers did get a few extra inches, then ok, but even with the extra long look without using a timeout, Roethlisberger gained far more than the difference Pouncey added.

  78. tomosbornesretirementcostjoepaatitle says: Jan 18, 2011 10:09 AM

    Blah blah blah…ravens are cheated…steelers pay the refs…it is always someone elses fault…what exactly is the weather like in your world ravens fan?

  79. hlmencken56 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:10 AM

    LOL, this is like the Aaron Roger’s false snub story. This site is worse than TMZ.com I can’t believe the NFL puts up with this kind of media BS.

  80. blitz1717 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:13 AM

    I have to laugh at the people saying the Steelers cheat GO Jets when the Jets are the team that had a coach trip a Dolphins player during a return earlier this season. Isn’t that the Jets cheating?

  81. jeffperk says: Jan 18, 2011 10:15 AM

    & as we all clearly saw Saturday night, this was not 1 of the best NFL officiating crews. Steelers won because of 3 turnovers, I get it. But they made alot of terrible calls. Defensive holding on Ravens on goaline play while Jarrett Johnson being tackled with the lineman’s arm around his head, no flag on Steelers. Pouncey inching ball up, probably does it every play. Holding on Ravens on Punt Return for TD? Didn’t happen, great acting job by Steeler being blocked. & there were many other poor calls, but Steelers won, see you next year!

  82. mswravens says: Jan 18, 2011 10:19 AM

    I saw it when it happened…I figured everyone in the world saw Pouncey moved the ball to the 1st down line before the snap…and thought it was kind of ironic the next day that a whole bunch of Steelers fans were on here bitching about Harbaugh getting a “free timeout.”

    But it would have been a 1st down pick-up no matter what, which is why I figured no one ever said anything about it…until now. The question at this time being, why bother? It didn’t matter, they would’ve got the 1st down anyway…and it made no difference in the game. So who cares?

    If Boldin doesn’t drop the ball in the end zone & L Webb doesn’t get beat like a drum on 3rd & 19, we probably win. Translation: We didn’t make the plays. The Steelers did. Lets move on to the Championship games, and for Ravens fans…start worrying about the draft & if there will be a next year, like the other 27 teams that are just watching at this point…

  83. maximus929 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:25 AM

    I noticed it happening live and I couldn’t believe it. CBS even had the blue line set to the original spot which made it obvious. When Pouncy started his center-sneak, it was a fourth and a full yard to go. By the time he finished it was literally a fourth and maybe 2 inches.

    He just kept inching the ball forward through both stoppages.

    Really, how incompetent are the refs not to notice that? That type of play goes to the integrity of the game.

    And if I’m the opposing nose tackle watching him move the ball that way, I think I’d take the chance that you might be able to explain that the Center false started by moving the ball a whole yard really, really slowing and blast the center back on his butt.

    I watched him closely the rest of the game. When it was a long distance he maybe moved the ball an inch. But when it was a 3rd and 1, he’d get a whole football lengths by the time he was finished.
    That’s obviously cheating and the NFL should do something about this if everyone is doing it.
    BTW, both centers were doing it in short yardage situations. I’m betting everyone does it to an extent. Pouncy is getting pounded here because he got two bites at the apple and got a whole yard.
    I was hoping you would bring this up. It was a key situation.

  84. flake131 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:26 AM

    LOVE IT!
    Serves Harbaugh right for trying to weasel a time out!

    Go Steelers!

  85. steelersmichele says: Jan 18, 2011 10:27 AM

    I thought having 100-yard penalty games meant the refs hated us. Guess I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Hey, I have an idea for those of you that think the Steelers cheated: Why don’t you send a nice letter to Goodell and ask him to change the outcome of the game. Or send him the video of Pouncey and the missed holding and pass interference calls and you know what, he may give the Ravens the win.

    Ravens fans/players always give themselves credit after a win and always blame the refs after a loss.

  86. mswravens says: Jan 18, 2011 10:28 AM

    I can’t help myself – since there’s a bunch of Steelers fans here & no one has taken up the cause, I have to say: Suggs didn’t hit Ben low, so stop saying that it was a cheap shot or that he was going for his knees, or that he should’ve been flagged! He initially hits Ben around waist high, or just below the waist…and then he goes down with Ben, as he (Suggs) is also being taken down from behind. As Ben goes down, Suggs has him wrapped up and slides down to knee level & below. It wasn’t an illegal hit!!! (but no doubt, Peyton or Brady would’ve got a flag!)

    Bottom line – it was a horribly officiated game. How this guy Triplette & his crew are even working in the NFL, let alone being given one of the premier games of the year, is beyond me…way beyond me…it’s a shame, but it is what it is AND IT’S NOT WHY THE STEELERS BEAT THE RAVENS…AGAIN!!!

  87. themage78 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:46 AM

    How bout that call in the 4th quarter when Cody was called for holding, yet the Steeler on the end closest to the camera is CLEARLY holding, yet it’s not offsetting penalities?? 3rd down becomes 1st down for the “cheating their way to 7″ Pittsburgh Steelers.

    Oh and pay off Goodell more please. You Steelers fans should thank him for letting Touchy-Feely Berger play those extra two games.

  88. kokoskmr says: Jan 18, 2011 10:50 AM

    I don’t think that this is the reason why the Ravens lost the game. I do think it is another compelling argument for using some electronic tools to accurately and objectively mark the position of the ball. Technology like this would also put to rest the “phantom” Santonio Holmes game winning touchdown in Baltimore in 2008. It might also have done something about the “ficticious non-fumble” in Miami this year. For a game that is completely dependent on the position of the ball, the means for determining the position of the ball and very low tech.

    The Steelers won because they made plays when they had to and the Ravens lost because they did not make plays when they had to.

  89. danj3678 says: Jan 18, 2011 10:51 AM

    ncoolong says:
    Jan 18, 2011 9:49 AM
    danj3678 says:
    Jan 18, 2011 9:03 AM
    stevemo says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:03 AM
    “How much of an advantage is that? The center is stretching out his arm further than normal so the ball is closer to the first down maker, but Ben and everyone else is in their normal positions.”

    This would be true had the play ran originally, but it did not.. there was a stoppage twice after the Center had touched the ball… which means that every time they lined back up they were a little bit closer… and one yard makes a huge difference on 4th down.
    ———————————————

    That’s all very true…maybe you should be asking why it was the Steelers had to line up three separate times. It’s not Pouncey’s job to spot the ball, it’s the officials.

    Harbaugh craftily bought himself a free timeout with enough time to look at the formation the Steelers were running (which was specifically designed to catch them off-guard). Seems pretty equal to me.

    Mike’s point is right on, if you want to blame anyone, blame the officials, because the problem is not where the ball is spotted, it’s where the team is lined up. If the Steelers did get a few extra inches, then ok, but even with the extra long look without using a timeout, Roethlisberger gained far more than the difference Pouncey added.

    You are correct.. it was all the officials faults… hey if the offensive line can move the ball 10 yards they would do it.. its the officials job to stop it… And I wouldn’t say its cheating… if thats the case then every penalty in the NFL is cheating.. In my opinion its a missed offsides call by the officials. Line of scrimmage never changed and if the offense lined up past it then offsides should ahve been called. Cheating? NO… missed penalty.. YES
    GO JETS

  90. surshot says: Jan 18, 2011 10:52 AM

    The Raven fans are never satisfied first it was a false start on Eason when Pouncey was held and the Steelers scored a TD. Now it moving the football. I guess we have a bunch of illeterate football fans who never played the game. As a center when you set yourself over the ball it is common to move it forward or what ever is comfortable for you, as being in that position your are the most vulnerable player on the O line to get hit. Some of you can’t even spell the word center right. That is why the refs never call that move.

    Grow up a get into the game

  91. discosucs2005 says: Jan 18, 2011 11:02 AM

    The 49ers do this on every play. It’s not an advantage outside of a chance circumstance like Harbaugh stopping the play briefly. When the center readjust the ball, the QB and the rest of the team don’t get to move forward and when the ball is snapped (backwards) the play starts in the exact spot it would if the center hadn’t move the ball an inch. However, in this circumstance, with Harbaugh stopping the play, and the play being a QB sneak, it may have given a small advantage. Of course, Ben didn’t fall an inch over the line. On his third or fourth effort he got a couple feet over it so any Ravens fan crying foul (pun intended) is probably gone past the point of bitterness where judgement and reason don’t exist.

  92. babyben says: Jan 18, 2011 11:14 AM

    Hahaha…I LOVE all the haters on here. Don’t you people know, us Steelers fans just sit back and laugh at all of this? Seriously, its funny.

    Glad to see everyone else is so upset while the Steelers sit back and polish their 6 hard-earned Lombardi trophies.

  93. gridironman says: Jan 18, 2011 11:20 AM

    How could you write this? Watch a few games for research and you’ll see this is how most centers line up and get ready to snap. Almost exclusively, they crouch behind the ball and put the tip down *ahead* of where it was.

    Now, an article about how Pouncey used his psychic abilities to know that Harbaugh didn’t understand what was going and would stop play … that would be interesting.

  94. chazlowbond says: Jan 18, 2011 11:52 AM

    OK, OK! All of you anti Steeler, anti Pittsburgh people are right. I am sitting here in PGH in this awful city full of cheaters, handsome women, overflowing sewers, bribers, cretins and scofflaws. All of the refs are on our payroll and better yet the whole of the NFL is only happy when we win games. Finally it is out in the open. And we love it. We love an unfair advantage! We love the refs cheating for us! We love our terrible city because no one comes here so everything is half off! Your right I say. There is a conspiracy and it is all been bent in our favor. Gosh, I feel so free now. I’ll tell you something else. We greased the balls that were thrown to the Ravens receivers and that Rice and the center couldn’t hang on to. We are cheats and we love it. All those trophies are ill gotten gains. Now we are just trying to get the Steelers to teach the Pirates how to bribe the umpires!

  95. masteel says: Jan 18, 2011 1:22 PM

    hhhmm maybe the various football fans who keep trying to point fingers at the Steelers or accuse the team of getting preferred treatment – maybe those fans are looking for some type of apology …

    Ok, Pittsburgh is sorry that they had to start the season without their number QB who was not allowed to play the first four games ….. yet the team went 3 – 1 to start !!
    And, Steelers are sorry that during training camp and the beginning of season somehow two key Offensive Linemen were lost for the season due to injury. Yeah 2 starting players that make up the 5 on the Offensive Line …. yet the team ended the season 12 – 4 and won Division !!
    Also, Black & Gold should be sorry that they were one of the most penalized teams in the NFL this season …yet still managed to pull out win after win !!!
    Or, Stillers could say sorry for losing one of the best D-Lineman who was so important to stopping the run we lost A. Smith for 3/4 of season ….yet the Defense put up the best run average against in team history !!
    Um, and the Steelers should definetly say sorry for the fact that in a BIG playoff game down at halftime 21 to 7 they managed to come back and win the game.

    Well there you go – Steelers can apologize for all that and maybe just maybe ‘you’ fans who are pointing fingers and making accusations can finally realize that each season when a team takes that step and becomes the Super Bowl winner. Maybe you can realize it’s the team and organization that did all they needed to do – and stuck together – performed for one goal – and did something special when the time presented itself. I hope that time is now (again) for Pittsburgh.

    GO Steelers

  96. DonRSD says: Jan 18, 2011 1:32 PM

    and to think………………if the refs didnt blow another call (fumble vs dolphins in the endzone to give the steelers the win) the steelers wouldve been on the ROAD playing the ravens

    best part is the ONLY ref to signal touchdown and the main ref are BOTH from pittsburgh in that steelers @ dolphins game

  97. steelernation1 says: Jan 18, 2011 1:34 PM

    you got to be kidding me?lol…some of these articles are really not serving any purpose here…we are talking about centers here..probably the smartest players on the field..been happening since football became a sport.

    ben would have got the first down regardless of where the ball was sitting.just a stupid article to get the classless Ravens fans to cry some more..find something 90% of football doesnt already know goes on in the sport…

  98. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 1:58 PM

    *************************

    Funny how on the Fumble by Ben that turned into a TD for the Ravens actually had Ben getting hit in the head AGAIN without a flag yet nothing from you nut jobs. THAT score should never have counted. Also, regarding the defensive hold call at the end-some of you bring up the supposed hold by a Steeler on that same play. Watch it closely the defender simply fell. That type of play is rarely ever called a hold You see it all the time.

  99. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 2:00 PM

    “The more likely reality is that Harbaugh was feigning confusion so that his defense would get a look at the offensive alignment, the time-honored “time out without calling a time out” maneuver.”

    Hmmmm I call that cheating.

  100. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 2:03 PM

    jeffperk …..the hold on the punt return was a hold. Heck even CBS replayed before Sundays game with a rules expert. You haters need a life.

  101. clusterpuck says: Jan 18, 2011 2:06 PM

    HAHAHAHA you ratbird lovers are still talking about the Dolphins game? Seriously? Read the rule book.

    Oh that’s right you don’t bother to know the rules or even know something simple like what holding is.

    You just see a questionable call and automatically blame the refs for throwing the game.

    There is a screen shot floating around the net clearly showing the holding on the kick return. Plain as day. Look it up. But because the TV broadcast didn’t show it clearly enough you guys are all crying in your soup.

  102. Deb says: Jan 18, 2011 2:07 PM

    Maybe next time, Harbaugh will look at the down marker (you know, like they teach the kids in Pee Wee football) instead of distracting the officials to give his defense time to adjust. And nah, I don’t think Pouncey is the only center to do that LOL

    Ravens fans … do y’all need some tissues? It’s Tuesday. By now they must be running short in Baltimore. :lol:

  103. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 2:13 PM

    DonLSD:

    And if the officials would have called defensive pass interference against the JETs at the end of that 5 point Steeler loss the Steelers likely would have won.

  104. ccoolahan14 says: Jan 18, 2011 2:25 PM

    Easiest way to know the Ravens/Steelers games are rigged: Name ONE TIME the Ravens beat the Steelers when there was controversy about the officiating…It has NEVER happened. Now, name times when the Steelers “beat” the Ravens when there was controversy about the officiating…It happens (literally) about EVERY SINGLE TIME (the game in Baltimore this year was LITERALLY the only time in the last 3 years where the Steelers “won” without controversy). In a game that is routinely decided by one possession, yes, I’d say it makes the difference in the game.

  105. Deb says: Jan 18, 2011 2:42 PM

    @ccoolahan14 …

    Easiest way to know the Ravens are whiners: Name ONE TIME the Steelers beat the Ravens when the Ravens didn’t manufacture a controversy about the officiating … It has NEVER happened. Now, name times when the Steelers beat the Ravens when there was controversy about the officiating. I happens (literally) about EVERY SINGLE TIME (the game in Baltimore this year was LITERALLY the only time in the last 3 years where the Steelers won without controversy. Why? Because it was such an OBVIOUS play the Ravens couldn’t come up with a way to twist it into a conspiracy.

    But even with still photos online showing the hold on the punt return–and the fact that counting that TD would have still left the score 31-28 Steelers … and even with the Ravens breaking Ben’s nose and not getting flagged … and pounding him in the head on the fumble/TD in this game and not getting flagged, the Ravens fans will still find a way to make themselves the victims. Wow, am I glad I’m not a Ravens fan. It’s embarrassing.

  106. nowathand says: Jan 18, 2011 2:57 PM

    Dear conspiracy theorists, the Steelers got no help in winning their game this weekend, especially not when they beat the Dolphins which helped secure the division and Roethlisberger fumbled before going into the end zone.

    They definitely didn’t get help from the acting job on the punt return. Or the center moving the ball. Or the “defensive holding” where offensive holding was taking place. Or the strange pass interference call on Josh Wilson. Or the un-called offensive pass interference Mike Wallace had on Ed Reed.

    But, yeah, conspiracy theorists, please stop bringing up the ref who apologized for his calls in the Seattle game or the punch James Harrison threw or the excessive celebration penalty that was missed or the block in the back on Tim Hightower that should have taken away seven points from the Steelers.

    There’s simply no way that taking yardage, points and time away from the Steelers or giving points, yardage, and time back to the opponent would have affected the outcome of those close games.

    Seriously, people. Do you really think yardage, time, and points can help decide games? Now, please purchase Sunday Ticket in advance because this CBA will be solved soon.

    Sincerely,
    Roger Goodell
    P.S. Steelers fans, buy your tickets for Dallas; Oh, and spend a lot of money on merchandise; if you don’t, I might see if HBO would like to buy the Jets’ way in to boost sales for “Hard Knocks” DVD and Blu Ray.

  107. steelernation1 says: Jan 18, 2011 3:15 PM

    nowathand let me guess another ravens fan?or just a steelers hater?or someone who has no clue about football?…you all act like steeler are only team that have calls go there way..clueless at best,

    godhell did everythign to prevent steelers from getting in the way i see it..

    oh by the way i remember yards being taken away from steelers 3rd and 19?4th quarter remember that?oh yea that nice pass to brown yea so take yards away we will get them back in good fasion:),,,oh wait i am still waiting for someone to say he didnt have control of the ball when he went out of bounds…that wil be next…

  108. jebdamone says: Jan 18, 2011 3:48 PM

    lol…that was awesome! i would have been flipping out if i were a ravens fan, but you gotta hand it too him, he sucked up that 2 and a half feet real quick and sneaky like.

  109. Deb says: Jan 18, 2011 4:46 PM

    Dear nowathand …

    Let me guess: Dolphins fan. You can tell them by the way they rewrite history and continue to moan years after the fact (just ask Saban).

    Yes, Roethlisberger fumbled, but if you’ll watch the film (what a novel idea!) you’ll notice you can’t see the ball come out from the vantage point of the side judge who blew the whistle. He shouldn’t have blown it until he had sight of the ball, but these things happen … to all of us. What you apparently missed was Roethlisberger turning and getting an arm around the ball before the pileon. It’s quite clear on the replay. If the officials hadn’t told him we’d scored, he would have held on, and it was as likely to be a Steelers TD as a Dolphins touchback.

    But either way, the Dolphins got the ball back with two and a half minutes on the clock needing only a field goal to win … and went three and out. They have only themselves to blame for their inability to move the ball.

    As a Tide fan, I love Terrence Cody, but he did hold on that play. Again, watch the film. Crazy me … I always think the film tells a better story than the conspiracy theorists. And yes, there were bad calls in SBXL–including calls that went against Pittsburgh. Watch the film.

    But why would you watch the film, when you can whine like the bad sport you are? It’s so much more fun being Peter Pan, the infant who never grows up.

    Sincerely,

    An Adult.

  110. dumbaseinstien says: Jan 18, 2011 7:16 PM

    Of coarse, this site won’t post my comments. They apparently don’t like the fact that I draw attention to the truth rather than the propoganda they spin. lol

  111. dumbaseinstien says: Jan 18, 2011 7:17 PM

    Sure, they’ll post that but not the actual post I submit!!! LOL

  112. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:39 PM

    Someone tell me why I have fairly tame posts that just disappear ?

  113. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:41 PM

    CCool it was a hold. Look it up . Plenty of videos and stills out there. Get over it.

  114. jamson64 says: Jan 18, 2011 7:47 PM

    NOWATHAND with all this proof you have you should sue the NFL. I am sure you are boycotting football too right?

  115. nowathand says: Jan 18, 2011 8:43 PM

    Honestly, I thought what happened to the Ravens against the Falcons might have been more egregious than what happened last weekend because – in Atlanta – the ref gave the Falcons 6 points with no time left for the Ravens offense to make up for the officiating goof.

    Sure, when a ref makes an game-altering call, it tends to sting tight, overly-conservative teams like the Ravens because they are playing the game not to lose rather than realizing that today’s teams can score in an instant on offense, defense and special teams and you need to never take the pedal off the gas for all those reasons AND because of what happened at the end of the Falcons game.

    While the outcomes of the controversial Steelers games (and there was a crucial blatant holding call missed that advanced the Jags vs. them in the 2007 postseason) might have been different for the Ravens, they – and the Cardinals, and definitely the Seahawks (most of the questioned calls were actually good catches by the officials) – had their chances to make up for what the refs did. If I had to choose between conspiracy and coincidence, I’d slightly lean toward coincidence.

    The main reasons I’m not upset about the calls last weekend is that I know Cam Cameron would have made sure the Ravens lost to either the Jets or Packers AND I’ve thought the Steelers were the best team for most of this season.

    Yes, I thought the Ravens would have won if a few of these calls were correct. However, that is mostly because Pittsburgh was anomalously flat and out of sync. I think if they played each other 10 times in the same circumstances, Pittsburgh would win fair and square six of the times. Pittsburgh moves on and will play a lot better against New York.

    I only commented on here because – even when a bad call helps my team win in any of the four sports, especially the one where you get a max of 12 possessions – so many people disregarded the idea that officiating errors can help determine the outcome.

  116. ampatsisahypocrite says: Jan 18, 2011 11:23 PM

    davepsu says:
    Jan 18, 2011 7:15 AM
    Shocking!

    First team to use steroids which leads to 4 titles when no other teams was doing it.
    ————————————————————

    A couple years ago ESPN ran a special on the first team to use steroids: the 1963 San Diego Chargers. Feel free to look this up, moron.

    The bigger story is still Harbaugh cheating with his phony “time out.” Everybody plays for an edge.

  117. Deb says: Jan 19, 2011 12:00 AM

    Well, goodness, nowathand … you can talk intelligently to us. Most of us will get it!

    Of course officiating errors can determine the outcome of a game–and have. I hate it, though, when teams like Miami underperform an entire game then want to claim they lost because of a call that really wasn’t a big deal if you put it in context. It’s like the infamous Thanksgiving game where Bettis made the coin toss and that numbnut Phil Luckett screwed it up. You could say he cost us the game, but what on earth were we doing letting that sad Detroit team take us to overtime? :roll:

    My problem is when people start all this conspiracy nonsense because I have a visceral reaction to uber-stupidity. The Steelers have had the same ownership and collateral business ties from the get-go but went 40 years without winning a single playoff game and 26 years between Super Bowls. If someone’s cheating for us, we need to hire someone better.

    Officiating overall sucks, but the NFL won’t fix the problem because that takes money. Most of these guys are not fit enough to keep pace with the action–or get out of the way of it. There aren’t enough officials to see everything they need to see. Some crews decide to make up their own rules while others decide to ignore rules at their own discretion. And Goodell doesn’t help by sending mixed messages about the rules. The whole challenge flag system is bonkers–and why are we treating as sacred a goofball system we swiped from the USFL? Calls should be right–coaches shouldn’t have to risk a timeout to beg officials to get them right.

    But if the hoopla surrounding SBXL couldn’t convince them to make changes, nothing will. Their profits mean more than preserving the integrity of their product. The NCAA has resolved a lot of this with their booth replay system. It’s not perfect, but at least there’s none of this red flag silliness or waiting eons while guys stand under a hood trying to decide if they want to reverse themselves.

  118. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 19, 2011 7:59 AM

    @Omar Comin:
    awesome screen name, BUT look at the link below and tell me what you see:

    http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9391/hold.jpg (i wont take credit for finding it, that belongs to bltzburgh)

    now that we’re on the same page, i would say that i’d have been ok with a no call there (just like there wasnt last year when percy harvin housed a KOR and there was a blatant hold on a double team block http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QlK8YeGyYk..10 seconds in right in the middle of your screen)

    to the rest of you crying your tears of “o woe is me, there’s a conspiracy to help the steelers win”:
    if you dont KNOW that EVERY center does this, then you obviously dont watch football. i guess you want us to believe that every other center moves the ball back just a bit to make it fair? it happens on EVERY down.
    the bigger point is why harbaugh’s request for a “spot challenge” was honored in the first place. if you arent going to charge him for a challenge then why stop play? it was obvious that the steelers were lining up to run the hurry-up and catch the ravens off guard. instead, play was stopped to walk over a tell him that it wasnt marked as a first down (something he could have seen by looking at the field markers) and then he dropped his complaint. during that time, they were also allowed to make a substitution (again nullifying the point of running the hurry up)…stop crying about the officiating on this play, it was so obviously tilted in the ravens favor, it’s laughable. so inching the ball forward REALLY made a difference??? seriously?

  119. masteel says: Jan 19, 2011 9:51 AM

    @Deb, I really appreciate your moxie – bravo on such great points

    @nowathand, good points nice post

    AND to all my Steeler brothers & sisters – were in most others are not. Let’s bask in the moment and get ready to root are beloved Black & Gold as they attempt to write (create) more history!

    fyi – anybody find it a little creepy how the Jets seem to be so complimentary toward our team?

  120. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 20, 2011 9:45 AM

    @masteel:
    “fyi – anybody find it a little creepy how the Jets seem to be so complimentary toward our team?”

    yes, and exceptionally so

  121. countyk66ers says: Jan 21, 2011 1:41 PM

    Pouncey or Mangold. Answer: Pouncey.

  122. steelernation1 says: Jan 21, 2011 1:55 PM

    pouncey for sure..and this upcoming draft look for them to pick up his brother.all the mock drafts have him going to pittsburgh so far,plus the steelers really need to get help on the O line.if they get him that just sures that up some

  123. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 22, 2011 9:19 AM

    @steelernation:
    as long as we dont ask him to play center too…lol…i guessed that last year when i saw us pick up maurkice. hopefully his performance this year will scare other teams away and allow us to pick him up. otherwise, our pouncey may have let the cat out of the bag and teams will realize what outstanding talents both of them are.

  124. steelernation1 says: Jan 22, 2011 12:36 PM

    from what i understand from the experts but i wont get to crazy about it cause i rarely ever seen the steelers trade down for anyone.but they seem to think the steelers will trade down to get this kid.he is that good.but we will have to see

  125. steelerdynasty2010 says: Jan 22, 2011 1:11 PM

    trade up you mean? that’s how we got troy! and i for one, wont complain about how that turned out for us..it’d be nice to get him though. REAL nice. but i still maintain that when offensive players have probs with blitz pickup, it’s the OC’s fault

  126. steelernation1 says: Jan 22, 2011 10:22 PM

    erm yea my bad was tired when i wrote that Steelerdynasty2010…according to the experts he may be there when there pick comes up..trading up would cost them a second or third round pick .and they need those picks …..Pouncey has been very good at what he does.wasn’t even supposed to come in and start as there center,and look at the job he has done to this point.there is a lot of good talk about his brother…what a way to go on a O-Line twins workign together side by side.that know each other very well

  127. freedomispopular says: Jan 22, 2011 11:25 PM

    Spotting the ball is a crapshoot anyway…do you really think that where they spot the ball is where the ball actually went? There’s absolutely no way to know that exactly. So stuff like this is pretty much about the same.

  128. mikemyditka says: Jan 23, 2011 4:17 AM

    I was much more offended by Harbaugh faking a timeout.

    That is the loophole that needs fixing, not this…

    His fake challenge allowed the Ravens to bring in another DT on a crucial 4th down

    You didnt notice that, but the center moving the ball you did?

    As long as the ball is in the neutral zone its fine- it happens all the time- the offense still alligned the same and the ball therefore gets snapped back the same. Refs dont call this EVER for a reason- its not a difference maker.

  129. pghsteel412 says: Jan 23, 2011 9:52 AM

    man the steeler haters are really clinging to small things in this post… as usual.. i understand though.. ur teams suck so you have to hate on the best team in nfl history.. ive noticed on here that when you give non steeler fans facts.. it never shuts them up, but haters are gonna hate cuz their team sucks

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