2012 could be year to break Hall of Fame logjam

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Saturday’s Hall of Fame announcement was particularly frustrating for Cris Carter and Tim Brown supporters because the receivers seem as far away from enshrinement as ever.

Carter and Brown didn’t make the cut to the ten finalists.  Bills wideout Andre Reed did make the final ten, and is clearly going to get in ahead of them.   Cortez Kennedy, Willie Roaf, Curtis Martin, and Dermontti Dawson all made the final ten.

Gary Myers of the New York Daily News wrote the following tweet on Martin:

“I made presentation for Curtis Martin in HOF meeting today,” Myers said.   “I am very optimistic he gets in next year. He deserves it.”

Some Carter supporters may disagree, but we believe Martin, Roaf, Kennedy, Dawson, and Reed are stronger candidates than the Vikings receiver.

The bright side: Next year is a great time to break the logjam.

MDS did a piece looking ahead at future Hall of Fame classes for the PFT Season Preview.  He noted that Will Shields, Bill Parcells, and Tiki Barber are the strongest first-ballot nominees next year.   Shields should  seem to have a great chance, and Parcells will likely get in eventually.  Barber probably won’t make the final 15.

If a player doesn’t get in next year, they could wind up waiting a while.  The 2013 first ballot class is very impressive: Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp,  and Michael Strahan are all extremely strong first ballot candidates.

65 responses to “2012 could be year to break Hall of Fame logjam

  1. if anyone gets in before kris carter, it’ll be a joke!
    i’ve seen twice a year against the packers what he can do! we doubled moss and he ate the packers for lunch! he deserves to be in!!!

  2. Sounds like Charles Haley did too much “log jamming” to be considered, even in 2012…….. Creepy dude!

  3. Reed, Brown, Carter, and Dawson must get in, and get in quick. Bettis and Martin should only wait because of the back log, but they should get in too.

    I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

  4. Another joke! Tim Brown was twice the player as Shannon Sharp. But SS is on the Network and blathers on weekly. Charles Haley deserves to go in ahead of SS, too. Is this mostly a popularity contest?

  5. Curtis Martin making any round beyond the yearly Terrell Davis snub is a joke. Side by side, in their respective primes, Martin couldn’t carry TD’s jock. Had each player played for the others’ team, Davis would be a first ballot HoFer and Martin would be a perennial first round elimination…if he made any round at all.

  6. what are these morons looking for? stats-martin,championships-kramer,haley let the players vote! when you get your *ss kicked by someone the players know!

  7. Are you flipping joking?!?!?! Carter was obviously the most talented WR ever to grace the field. Don’t quit your dayjob, buddy.

  8. uberniner says:
    Feb 5, 2011 9:13 PM
    Another joke! Tim Brown was twice the player as Shannon Sharp. But SS is on the Network and blathers on weekly. Charles Haley deserves to go in ahead of SS, too. Is this mostly a popularity contest?

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    Seriously?!?!?!? Lay off the crack, dude. SS REDEFINED his position. Tim Brown, while a fantastic WR, was just a really good WR doing what all the other WR had, and have, been doing forever. Sharpe redefined the “prototypical” player at his position. Before he came around, tight ends were extra blockers that occasionally caught passes. Tony Gonzales, Todd Heap, Jeremy Shockey, etc. would have never done anyting if it hadn’t been for Shannon blazing the trail. The dude reinvented what a tight end is all about.

  9. scrotiemcb says:
    Feb 5, 2011 9:27 PM
    Curtis Martin making any round beyond the yearly Terrell Davis snub is a joke. Side by side, in their respective primes, Martin couldn’t carry TD’s jock. Had each player played for the others’ team, Davis would be a first ballot HoFer and Martin would be a perennial first round elimination…if he made any round at all.

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    How would Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson fare if they switched places with Martin? Because those Denver backs were pretty much interchangeable in that system.

  10. I wish we could vote on the HOF balloters pay in the same way they dissect players’ careers.

    Let’s see Mr King…we decided that the error of assuming Goodell meant Steelers instead of checking to find out he meant NFL players is a two week reduction in pay.

    And you the sports reporter who blew the story about Aaron Rodgers snubbing a cancer patient, we think 6 months without pay should suffice for such an moronic error.

  11. thompgk says:
    Feb 5, 2011 9:40 PM
    The Hall of Fame should be renamed “Very Good Players that played on Northeastern Teams”

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    Doesn’t make any sense— Dent, Sanders, Faulk, Sharpe…..none of them played for Northeastern teams unless you count Sharpe’s short stint in Baltimore.

  12. We are seeing the ESPN class………What about Jerry Kramer? Guess not being on ESPN hurts the older guys. Instead we see overrated players who made the highlights saying “look at me!”

  13. What a great signal the NFL HOF voters sent out to the kids of today, by electing Deion Sanders into the Hall, they did the same thing a few years ago when they elected Michael Irvin. However Deion, even more so was a player who epitomizes the “me first, arrogant” attitude that we are seeing so much more of in sports today. Not to mention the guy was not even a complete player as he has said “he did not get paid to tackle”. Let me throw this out there, if Deion stayed on the Falcons his entire career, and was not still in the public eye, would he be a first time HOF’er? On the other hand 3 class guys who kept their “noses clean” off the field and dominated on the field in Andre Reed and Tim Brown or Jerome Bettis will have to wait another year.

  14. Roaf shouldve been in this year. He was as good a LT that has ever played the game. If Ogden gets in before Roaf it will be a damn shame, seeing how it was said Ogden was the next Willie Roaf

  15. MDS and Rosenthal are idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tiki Barber?????????????????????

    WTF???????????????

    I can’t believe idiots like Rosenthal and MDS are football writers!!!!!!!!

    Roger Craig can’t get in. Why should Tiki Barber??????

    Why Bill Parcells?????? He is the NFL’s version of Mike Keenan (sorry to mention the NHL on a football site)!!!!!!! He destroyed the Dolphins and was mediocre with the Cowboys!!!

    He sucks more without Belichick than Shanahan does without Elway!!!!

  16. I wonder if Big Ben Raplisberger will ever get into the HOF? I think he will. Although i think if he wins another ring, he’ll probably rape another girl. As of right now, he has 2 RINGS and 2 RAPES. He’ll probably feel entitled to raped again if he wins on Sunday.

  17. I love the idiot comment above about Miss getting doubled and Carter tearing it up.

    True hall of fame wideouts like Andre Reed were the guys getting double teamed and still making plays!!!

    More idiots like Jason Whitlock just look at stats without realizing Buffalos run pass ratio was 50/50 most years, and Reed still shredded!!!

  18. Cris Carter’s numbers and the consistency of his performance over such a long period of time DWARF every receiver not named Rice.
    And after his early career off-field struggles, he was a model NFL citizen.
    How is he not in the HOF already? Do Packers fans do the voting?

  19. Jerome Bettis, Curtis Martin YES

    Tiki Barber, Terrell Davis LMAO NO

    Davis had a few great years but got hurt. too bad. Same with Priest Holmes…Tiki Barber? Please!

  20. Cortez Kennedy before Chris Carter. That’s a laugh. Carter probably had the best hands for a receiver ever.

    He just made catches so impossible you’d just laugh and say they made that up.

    And if Tim Brown ever makes it and Cliff Branch doesn’t? That’s absurd.

    Branch has 3 rings and was a big reason why the Raiders finally got over the top and won the big one.

  21. maybe chris carter would have gotten in by now if he was not such a big a$$hole with an even bigger ego to match!he makes me sick as he always talks about he is so much better and is offended he did’nt make it 1st ballott,he did not deserve to go in on ballott one,cut and run! it took art monk forever to get in,and carter can’t carry his jock! i hope he has to wait 10 years like art monk did!

  22. Cris Carter should have been a FIRST BALLOT HoF’er. what more do you want from a guy? he was the leading receiver in almost all major statistical categories when he retired. Yeah, Jerry Rice and Tim Brown eventually surpassed him for a lot of those, but its a joke how the #3 receiver in most major categories can’t get in.

  23. Larry Allen, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp and Michael Strahan…. I kinda feel bad for the other guys in 2013 lol

    2014 will have Marvin Harrison being eligible… Cris Carter, Andre Reed, Tim Brown are already there… And then Isaac Bruce will join the list of possible inductees in 2015 (heck TO & Moss could join this list in 2016 if they don’t play in the 2011 season!)

    all that’s gonna create a major lockjam at the wide receiver position with each of them canceling the others unless the voters decide to induct one of these guys in the next couple of years

  24. Pro football hall of fame is a sham. Should be pretty clear by now. How it still has any amount of legitimacy is beyond me.

    I guess it doesn’t help when people actually bring up Tiki Barber’s name as a possible candidate, because he’s a talking head, or was? Really? Is this the Hall of Very Good? Hall of Consistently Average? It’s the Hall of FAME! Andre Reed? Really? Ahead of Carter?

    Disgusting. They should be ashamed of the mockery it’s become.

  25. Canjura….your comment is a joke. Cris Carter was never the all-time leading receiver. Rice is more likely to have double the stats if anything. Rice has more than 130 tds in 1994 ; catches in 1996; and yards in 1995. Just shows how ridiculous of a player Rice is…being so far ahead of the 2-4th best WR of all time.

    ” Cris Carter should have been a FIRST BALLOT HoF’er. what more do you want from a guy? he was the leading receiver in almost all major statistical categories when he retired. Yeah, Jerry Rice and Tim Brown eventually surpassed him for a lot of those, but its a joke how the #3 receiver in most major categories can’t get in.”

  26. Reed should be in ..and debatable if Carter should EVER make it.

    People forget…his drug usage in his early years…Cocaine Kris…Amazing to hear him talk big now though.

  27. One can only hope that Tiki Barber doesn’t make the top 15. Now if there was a fumbler’s hall of fame, well, then Tiki would be first ballot.

    @scrotiemcb

    Quit getting your hopes up about Terrell Davis. He was an exceptional RB at times. Unfortunately for Davis, those times only lasted for three seasons. Too bad that he got hurt, but you know what, he got hurt! Didn’t have a long enough career to deserve a spot in the Hall. Get over it and move on.

  28. Reed ahead of Brown AND Carter. I guess the game is really going to crap. I hope there is a work stoppage next year as it will give me a reason to stop watching all together as it’s becoming a bigger joke every day.

  29. I mean Cris Carter was the first receiver to break 100 reception in a single year (122) and he followed it up by doing it again the next year (122). You can talk about his early career drug behavior but I guess Michael Irvin beating hookers and doing blow don’t stop him from getting into the hall.

  30. do you Shannon Sharpe Haters realize he’s only 1 of 2 TE’s in the history of the game reach the 10k yard mark? now that you know that, do you want to retract your statement?

  31. PLUS no NFL player in the history of the game has ever represented their team mascot like Shannon.

    HE LOOKS LIKE A BRONCO!!! he should get in for that alone lol

  32. I see Jerry Kramer’s name didn’t get a Veteran’s nomination. How the “experts” can ignore this man for the HOF is truly one of the NFL’s great mysteries.
    Go look up Jerry’s stats as one of the foundations of Lombardi’s success in Green Bay and tell me he shouldn’t join his team members.
    Ghastly, and now has reached the joke level.

    He even did the kicking one year and was quite good. Jerry Kramer is a Hall of Famer. Too bad the ******** who vote can’t figure it out.

  33. Not enough defensive guys are on the ballot. Marginal offensive guys ie cris carter, tiki, and lynn swann are in or strongly considered.

  34. I hope Martin gets in next year. I’m getting so fed up with these selfish, egomaniacs running all over the field acting like clowns and then going out in society committing crimes while showing no remorse. Martin was as classy a person as there is, much like the great Walter Payton and he has the numbers to back it up. He ranks fourth in career rushing, had ten consecutive 1,000 yrd. seasons, and was MVP.

  35. All this crap about Chris Carter being a first ballot Hall of Fame is coming from the same fan base that thinks T Jack Off is a real NFL QB.

    Carter disappeared when the games got bigger and while he does have some good career stats, so do about a dozen other WR’s. Maybe the voters are factoring in the character issue because if there were a Hall of Fame for 10 carat A$$holes, CC would be a shoo in.

  36. win1soon? I TOTALLY agree!!
    I NEVER watch anything with Sanders, Sapp or Irvin on the tv. You can add current players t.o., Joey Porter, Chad Johnson and Antonio Crapmartie to that low life list.
    Two non-players on that list… Rex Ryan and Mel Kiper.
    Look at ME! Notice ME! Hear ME! I am GREAT!
    These guys epitomize what has ruined the days of real football and REAL men.

  37. Sharpe wasn’t a tight end. He never threw a block in his life.

    He was a bigger slot receiver, and thats all.

    That he got in over other legit receivers is a joke.

    Big Willie Roaf was a first ballot guy if I ever saw one. So is Will Shields.

    I really hate that the voting is so politizied.

  38. Random thoughts:

    – Martin should have got in. I bet he will next year

    – Only Tony Gonzalez can compete with Shannon Sharpe for greatest receiving TE ever; there’s no question Sharpe should have made it in

    – I hope they snub Sapp at least for a couple years; a seriously dirty player

    – I can’t believe Tiki Barber’s already been retired that long; damn I’m getting old

  39. Some Carter supporters may disagree, but we believe Martin, Roaf, Kennedy, Dawson, and Reed are stronger candidates than the Vikings receiver.

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    Oh, here is a Carter supporter who disagrees.

    Really dude? Want to provide any evidence to back up this ridiculous statement, that Martin and Reed are better than the guy with the third most receptions in NFL history, and arguably the best hands EVER?

    I suppose not; that would take too much time and “real reporting.” Better stick to copy and pasting other people’s stuff; it takes way less time and is much easier.

  40. WRs really do get shafted lately in these HOF selection things. Maybe it is because of their egos, but they always seem to have to wait much longer to get in than the guys at other positions, unless you are Jerry Rice.

  41. M. Irving is on record in the 1990’s as saying he was the 3rd best WR behind Rice and Reed. R.Woodson vouches for Reed and no other WR. Those HOF played the game and recognize HOF skills. You people who think Carter and Brown could carry Reeds jock strap have no idea!!!!! Reed was dbl teamed must times. Question: On a two yard slant who’s taking it to the house? REED! Not carter or Brown!!!!

  42. For those claiming this person has better stats than this person…

    Carter = 1,101 receptions (3rd), 13,899 yards (8th), 130 touchdowns (4th).

    Brown = 1,094 receptions (4th), 14,934 yards (4th), 100 touchdowns (6th, tied w/Largent)

    Reed = 951 receptions, 13,918 yards, 87 touchdowns

    They should all get in. Brown was a good returner early in his career. But do the HOF voters consider this? The returns happened so they should be considered. Either way they should all get in at some point.

  43. And Tim has a total of 105 TD’s 4 PR/KR and one rushing if i’m not mistaken.

    And Tim was double teamed loads don’t kid yourself, he was a master of getting open.

  44. And where does Reed measure up

    Top 10 for receiving yards

    I don’t think he is in top 10 for receptions

    And def not top 10 for TD’s

    Reed was an excellent receiver but because

    He only had 4 1,000 yard receiving seasons and 10 TD’s once.

    That doesn’t sound like a hall of fame resume to me.

  45. Fin fan, so I’ve seen my fair share of Martin..tell me..if what he did was so avg. is he the only one to match the great Barry Sanders….there’s only 2 RB in NFL History that ran for 1,000 yards in 10…that’s right 10 straight seasons…Barry Sanders & Curtis Martin @ a time when running the ball was a bigger part of the game.

  46. Would love to see two Chiefs make it in same year. Anyone think Roaf goes in as a Chief given how it all ended for him in New Orleans?

    …Roaf has already said he will enter the Hall as a Saint

  47. Tom Flores, & Jim Plunkett, the only coach & QB to win 2 Super Bowls, not in the HOF. Both Mexican-Americans. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence… NFL = Not For Latinos.

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