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	<title>Comments on: League, union sharply disagree on rookie wage scale, too</title>
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		<title>By: edgy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, AVAILABLE but not necessarily GIVEN. Sure, they&#039;ll save money and they COULD give it to veterans but as the owners have said, an unspecified amount of this would go to the retired veterans and that&#039;s really all that they&#039;ve guaranteed. They have said that they&#039;ll necessarily give any of what&#039;s left over to the veterans and a lot of teams may even move closer to the floor and keep the money that they&#039;ve saved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, AVAILABLE but not necessarily GIVEN. Sure, they&#8217;ll save money and they COULD give it to veterans but as the owners have said, an unspecified amount of this would go to the retired veterans and that&#8217;s really all that they&#8217;ve guaranteed. They have said that they&#8217;ll necessarily give any of what&#8217;s left over to the veterans and a lot of teams may even move closer to the floor and keep the money that they&#8217;ve saved.</p>
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		<title>By: CKL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kingmj4891 says:
Feb 11, 2011 9:57 AM
How about they try this its too simple

Round 1-3 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 5YR exclusive rights to the player.

Rounds 4-7 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 4YR exclusive rights to a player.

Undrafted Free Agents Stays the Same
Restricted Free Agency for First 4YRS in the league

Unrestricted Free Agents After 4YRs you are a UFA unless you were drafted in rounds 1-3 then it is 5YRS. Players drafted before this are not under these rules but the same old rules.

Keep Franchise Tag but add not player maybe Franchised more than two years in a row and half the sum of the Franchise Salary is payable upon the player signing the Tag to ensure some sort signing bonus.
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This is pretty close to what I have been saying for awhile elsewhere except I believe that the Franchise Tag  does get abused too much.  My change to your thoughts would be that a team cannot franchise tag a player more than one time ever...one year total. Some teams have been using the thing to tag the guy over and over and that is completely against what the tag was supposed to be about. It is SUPPOSED to be a temporary measure while they work out a new deal or a 1 year deal to help the team transition away from the guy.  If the player goes to another team, they would be allowed to FT the guy once also.

And I hate unions and usually side w/ the owners (and no I am not rich, I have never been above middle class) but this time each side had legitimate beefs IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kingmj4891 says:<br />
Feb 11, 2011 9:57 AM<br />
How about they try this its too simple</p>
<p>Round 1-3 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 5YR exclusive rights to the player.</p>
<p>Rounds 4-7 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 4YR exclusive rights to a player.</p>
<p>Undrafted Free Agents Stays the Same<br />
Restricted Free Agency for First 4YRS in the league</p>
<p>Unrestricted Free Agents After 4YRs you are a UFA unless you were drafted in rounds 1-3 then it is 5YRS. Players drafted before this are not under these rules but the same old rules.</p>
<p>Keep Franchise Tag but add not player maybe Franchised more than two years in a row and half the sum of the Franchise Salary is payable upon the player signing the Tag to ensure some sort signing bonus.<br />
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This is pretty close to what I have been saying for awhile elsewhere except I believe that the Franchise Tag  does get abused too much.  My change to your thoughts would be that a team cannot franchise tag a player more than one time ever&#8230;one year total. Some teams have been using the thing to tag the guy over and over and that is completely against what the tag was supposed to be about. It is SUPPOSED to be a temporary measure while they work out a new deal or a 1 year deal to help the team transition away from the guy.  If the player goes to another team, they would be allowed to FT the guy once also.</p>
<p>And I hate unions and usually side w/ the owners (and no I am not rich, I have never been above middle class) but this time each side had legitimate beefs IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: sudzy11</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that there needs to be a rookie wage scale.  However the lock up period should only be 2-3 years.  5 years may be a negotiating tactic by the owners but it is probably just more greed on their part.  Use a guy for 5 years at less than market rate.  And 98% of the players probably wouldn&#039;t see a 6th year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there needs to be a rookie wage scale.  However the lock up period should only be 2-3 years.  5 years may be a negotiating tactic by the owners but it is probably just more greed on their part.  Use a guy for 5 years at less than market rate.  And 98% of the players probably wouldn&#8217;t see a 6th year.</p>
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		<title>By: alanschech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alanschech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I the only one out there that doesn&#039;t care how they resolve it?  Billionaires arguing with billionaires about who gets a couple of bucks really doesn&#039;t impress me.  Frankly, as a football fan, I don&#039;t really care about the issues.  So a rookie might have to make a little less the first couple of years.  Boo hoo.  Try working 8 hours a day answering phone calls for chump change.  Try working a line and Mickey Ds.  Stop quibbling and get a deal done.  It shouldn&#039;t have taken this long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one out there that doesn&#8217;t care how they resolve it?  Billionaires arguing with billionaires about who gets a couple of bucks really doesn&#8217;t impress me.  Frankly, as a football fan, I don&#8217;t really care about the issues.  So a rookie might have to make a little less the first couple of years.  Boo hoo.  Try working 8 hours a day answering phone calls for chump change.  Try working a line and Mickey Ds.  Stop quibbling and get a deal done.  It shouldn&#8217;t have taken this long.</p>
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		<title>By: kingmj4891</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about they try this its too simple

Round 1-3 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 5YR exclusive rights to the player.

Rounds 4-7 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 4YR exclusive rights to a player.

Undrafted Free Agents Stays the Same
Restricted Free Agency for First 4YRS in the league

Unrestricted Free Agents After 4YRs you are a UFA unless you were drafted in rounds 1-3 then it is 5YRS. Players drafted before this are not under these rules but the same old rules.

Keep Franchise Tag but add not player maybe Franchised more than two years in a row and half the sum of the Franchise Salary is payable upon the player signing the Tag to ensure some sort signing bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about they try this its too simple</p>
<p>Round 1-3 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 5YR exclusive rights to the player.</p>
<p>Rounds 4-7 Sign 3YR Contracts but Teams have 4YR exclusive rights to a player.</p>
<p>Undrafted Free Agents Stays the Same<br />
Restricted Free Agency for First 4YRS in the league</p>
<p>Unrestricted Free Agents After 4YRs you are a UFA unless you were drafted in rounds 1-3 then it is 5YRS. Players drafted before this are not under these rules but the same old rules.</p>
<p>Keep Franchise Tag but add not player maybe Franchised more than two years in a row and half the sum of the Franchise Salary is payable upon the player signing the Tag to ensure some sort signing bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: crubenst</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crubenst]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Length of the contract makes a huge difference for the players despite the salary cap. We know each new contract brings a large signing bonus which can applied to future years cap. Thus, actual money paid in a given year can far exceed the cap and players getting their hands on money today is worth a lot more than getting it a year or two later, especially considering the large sums of money the bonuses tend to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Length of the contract makes a huge difference for the players despite the salary cap. We know each new contract brings a large signing bonus which can applied to future years cap. Thus, actual money paid in a given year can far exceed the cap and players getting their hands on money today is worth a lot more than getting it a year or two later, especially considering the large sums of money the bonuses tend to be.</p>
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		<title>By: FoozieGrooler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can they &quot;cap&quot; you under a rookie wage scale for 5 years when you&#039;re no longer considered a rookie after one year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they &#8220;cap&#8221; you under a rookie wage scale for 5 years when you&#8217;re no longer considered a rookie after one year?</p>
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		<title>By: paul82461</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about we just get rid of the union once and for all !! Let your agent negotiate your contract, if you dont like it dont sign it. Most  players make more money in their contracts than some of us make in a lifetime. Get to work and quit crying about the millions you make.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we just get rid of the union once and for all !! Let your agent negotiate your contract, if you dont like it dont sign it. Most  players make more money in their contracts than some of us make in a lifetime. Get to work and quit crying about the millions you make.</p>
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		<title>By: grpatriot</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Players Union need to learn how to &quot;negotiate.&quot;  The owners realize that 5 years is a starting point! Why doesn&#039;t the Union???  This is why Kraft said, &quot; Businessmen could wrap this up in a week!&quot;  Offer less, counter offer. Settle in the middle. Both sides feel like they won. Agreement reached, come on NFLPA??? Stop running to the media! Get back to the table and play the game!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Players Union need to learn how to &#8220;negotiate.&#8221;  The owners realize that 5 years is a starting point! Why doesn&#8217;t the Union???  This is why Kraft said, &#8221; Businessmen could wrap this up in a week!&#8221;  Offer less, counter offer. Settle in the middle. Both sides feel like they won. Agreement reached, come on NFLPA??? Stop running to the media! Get back to the table and play the game!</p>
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		<title>By: supashug</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no way they will get this done by August, could be a full year off, idiots]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no way they will get this done by August, could be a full year off, idiots</p>
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		<title>By: sbs0311</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The solution here is VERY obvious.  The standard has been restricted free agency after 3 years, so the only years that should be dramatically affected are years 1, 2, and 3.

The new standard should REQUIRE that the 4th and 5th year of these rookie contracts for first round picks have ONE main characteristic:

1)  The contract is automatically voidable after the third and fourth.

If the player, after his 3rd year, wishes to be on the restricted free agent scale and have the freedom to sign offer sheets that the TEAM may MATCH, then give the player that right.

If the team wishes to release a first round pick after three years who has not played up to standard, allow them to do so with no cap consequences.

If the middle ground arises, where the player thinks his salary is as good as he can get for that year and the team deems him worth keeping, he can play under whatever salary the contract says.

It&#039;s a perfect middle ground.

For 2nd round picks, use the above formula for four year contracts, permitting players to enter restricted free agency if desired.

Then, don&#039;t change the system for 3rd round and lower.  If they want four years w/the option to void, let them sign it.  If they want three years, let them do that.

But ONLY lock players into a salary for three years.  It&#039;s funny, but a third round or lower pick that becomes an immediate star is actually in better position to get paid BIG MONEY than a mid to late first round pick who isn&#039;t getting that super signing bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The solution here is VERY obvious.  The standard has been restricted free agency after 3 years, so the only years that should be dramatically affected are years 1, 2, and 3.</p>
<p>The new standard should REQUIRE that the 4th and 5th year of these rookie contracts for first round picks have ONE main characteristic:</p>
<p>1)  The contract is automatically voidable after the third and fourth.</p>
<p>If the player, after his 3rd year, wishes to be on the restricted free agent scale and have the freedom to sign offer sheets that the TEAM may MATCH, then give the player that right.</p>
<p>If the team wishes to release a first round pick after three years who has not played up to standard, allow them to do so with no cap consequences.</p>
<p>If the middle ground arises, where the player thinks his salary is as good as he can get for that year and the team deems him worth keeping, he can play under whatever salary the contract says.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a perfect middle ground.</p>
<p>For 2nd round picks, use the above formula for four year contracts, permitting players to enter restricted free agency if desired.</p>
<p>Then, don&#8217;t change the system for 3rd round and lower.  If they want four years w/the option to void, let them sign it.  If they want three years, let them do that.</p>
<p>But ONLY lock players into a salary for three years.  It&#8217;s funny, but a third round or lower pick that becomes an immediate star is actually in better position to get paid BIG MONEY than a mid to late first round pick who isn&#8217;t getting that super signing bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: malgorthewarrior</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree that rookies get paid too much, I question the idea that all that money would go to the veteran players.  Everyone is assuming teams will spend that money they save by inflating veteran contracts.  

I would be surprised if that were the outcome.  My guess is they will use them to lower payroll overall.  That would mean a decrease in total money going to players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that rookies get paid too much, I question the idea that all that money would go to the veteran players.  Everyone is assuming teams will spend that money they save by inflating veteran contracts.  </p>
<p>I would be surprised if that were the outcome.  My guess is they will use them to lower payroll overall.  That would mean a decrease in total money going to players.</p>
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		<title>By: pftequalsgreatjournalism</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jc1958coo says: Feb 10, 2011 8:12 PM

for all the people that think rookies deserve less than veterans! two words albert haynesworth and sam bradford! that is the GM and OWNERS fault! is it right, no but it isn’t that simple! get rid of the 4 year free agency rule, see how many franchise you have then!!

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I can&#039;t disagree with you that overpaying for veteran free agents is the fault of the management but what the f&amp;^k does it have to do with a rookie wage scale?  Poor judgment by management can be abated through a well-defined pay scale.

This clearly needs to be put in place no matter what else happens but five years of service does not a rookie make!

I agree with tmb33 - the players will cave eventually because they have no other source of income which is not the case with majority the owners.  They had business success - and money - before they bought these franchises...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jc1958coo says: Feb 10, 2011 8:12 PM</p>
<p>for all the people that think rookies deserve less than veterans! two words albert haynesworth and sam bradford! that is the GM and OWNERS fault! is it right, no but it isn’t that simple! get rid of the 4 year free agency rule, see how many franchise you have then!!</p>
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<p>I can&#8217;t disagree with you that overpaying for veteran free agents is the fault of the management but what the f&amp;^k does it have to do with a rookie wage scale?  Poor judgment by management can be abated through a well-defined pay scale.</p>
<p>This clearly needs to be put in place no matter what else happens but five years of service does not a rookie make!</p>
<p>I agree with tmb33 &#8211; the players will cave eventually because they have no other source of income which is not the case with majority the owners.  They had business success &#8211; and money &#8211; before they bought these franchises&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: seahawkhuskyfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You ever think they just need a couple of normal Joes to sit down and get this done.  I mean Smith looks like the guy selling hot VCRs on the corner.  And the &quot;God&#039; or &quot;Rog&quot; seems like he would rather be having tea with the Queen.  Just two normal guys who work for a living, they could sit down, crack a beer, and have this done in 20 minutes.  And it would make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ever think they just need a couple of normal Joes to sit down and get this done.  I mean Smith looks like the guy selling hot VCRs on the corner.  And the &#8220;God&#8217; or &#8220;Rog&#8221; seems like he would rather be having tea with the Queen.  Just two normal guys who work for a living, they could sit down, crack a beer, and have this done in 20 minutes.  And it would make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: montsta</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feb 10, 2011 9:36 PM
tmb333 says:
Feb 10, 2011 8:58 PM

The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be….like our bosses would….and if the players don’t like it they are free to quit.
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If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that’s a you problem.

If the company I’m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.

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yes how will they ever find another guy to post onto football message boards while sitting at his workstation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feb 10, 2011 9:36 PM<br />
tmb333 says:<br />
Feb 10, 2011 8:58 PM</p>
<p>The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be….like our bosses would….and if the players don’t like it they are free to quit.<br />
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<p>If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that’s a you problem.</p>
<p>If the company I’m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.</p>
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<p>yes how will they ever find another guy to post onto football message boards while sitting at his workstation?</p>
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		<title>By: egls7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thumbs up if you&#039;re optimistic that a deal will be done before the march 4 deadline. Thumbs done if you have doubt]]></description>
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		<title>By: tony420</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liz Mullen is a total fraud who may as well be the union&#039;s spokeperson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz Mullen is a total fraud who may as well be the union&#8217;s spokeperson.</p>
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		<title>By: juancorsair</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/league-union-sharply-disagree-on-rookie-wage-scale-too/#comment-959888</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 04:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[realitypolice says: 

&lt;i&gt;If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that’s a you problem.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;If the company I’m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Just like the NFL would if they tried to use scabs for an extended period of time. &lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s imagine all 32 NFL teams were research companies competing for fame, fortune and ultimately the Nobel Prize.  For the sake of the example, we&#039;ll assume that the worst performing company gets first pick of the graduating research scientists from America&#039;s various universities.

The top student out of this pool of graduates has demonstrated great lab work, documentation of case studies and seems to have a positive attitude.  However, he has zero real world experience working for a commercial research lab (as does each of his respective peers).  Now if the worst performing company of this pool hired this unproven graduate for $50+ million dollars salary over the next 6 years ($36 million being guaranteed), and ultimately paid him more than their extablished veteran researchers that drive their projects, I think you would agree that one would have to be a complete idiot to invest heavily in their company.  

So how do you figure the current system for paying draftees is a good idea?  Paying established veterans that are proven contributors to the team more money is a great idea.  However, paying JaMarcus Russell millions of guaranteed money to slack off and get hooked on sizzurp, is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>realitypolice says: </p>
<p><i>If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that’s a you problem.</i></p>
<p><i>If the company I’m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.</i></p>
<p><i>Just like the NFL would if they tried to use scabs for an extended period of time. </i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s imagine all 32 NFL teams were research companies competing for fame, fortune and ultimately the Nobel Prize.  For the sake of the example, we&#8217;ll assume that the worst performing company gets first pick of the graduating research scientists from America&#8217;s various universities.</p>
<p>The top student out of this pool of graduates has demonstrated great lab work, documentation of case studies and seems to have a positive attitude.  However, he has zero real world experience working for a commercial research lab (as does each of his respective peers).  Now if the worst performing company of this pool hired this unproven graduate for $50+ million dollars salary over the next 6 years ($36 million being guaranteed), and ultimately paid him more than their extablished veteran researchers that drive their projects, I think you would agree that one would have to be a complete idiot to invest heavily in their company.  </p>
<p>So how do you figure the current system for paying draftees is a good idea?  Paying established veterans that are proven contributors to the team more money is a great idea.  However, paying JaMarcus Russell millions of guaranteed money to slack off and get hooked on sizzurp, is not.</p>
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		<title>By: broncobourque</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t that hard, 5 years or 4 years doesn&#039;t matter as much as making sure the guys who can perform right from the start get paid for that production.  Include performance insentives in every rookie contract that ensures this happens and both sides should be happy.

I know this is all part of negotiations but some of this stuff shouldn&#039;t be that hard and when the 2 sides can bassically agree on something it wouldn&#039;t hurt to build on that instead of dwelling on their disagreements all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t that hard, 5 years or 4 years doesn&#8217;t matter as much as making sure the guys who can perform right from the start get paid for that production.  Include performance insentives in every rookie contract that ensures this happens and both sides should be happy.</p>
<p>I know this is all part of negotiations but some of this stuff shouldn&#8217;t be that hard and when the 2 sides can bassically agree on something it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to build on that instead of dwelling on their disagreements all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: lunarpie</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/league-union-sharply-disagree-on-rookie-wage-scale-too/#comment-959825</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the Owners have to say is, &quot;Todd Marinovich, Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell etc....&quot;  The list continues every year.  Its bad overall for the sport because young college athletes are not mature enough and haven&#039;t done anything on the field to earn the respect of anybody, especially veterans making league minimum.  The come straight of college knowing they will never have to work a day in their life.  That breeds laziness and in the end, DRAFT BUSTS.  Go owners with this one!
-Raiders Fan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the Owners have to say is, &#8220;Todd Marinovich, Tony Mandarich, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell etc&#8230;.&#8221;  The list continues every year.  Its bad overall for the sport because young college athletes are not mature enough and haven&#8217;t done anything on the field to earn the respect of anybody, especially veterans making league minimum.  The come straight of college knowing they will never have to work a day in their life.  That breeds laziness and in the end, DRAFT BUSTS.  Go owners with this one!<br />
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		<title>By: tmb333</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The world can easily exist without the NFL.  If the owners hold out, players will cross the picket lines like before.  Most can&#039;t manage their money.

realitypolice says: 
Feb 10, 2011 9:36 PM 
I am glad you have such a high opinion of yourself.  Unless you own the company, I am sure they existed before you and will after you are gone.  My point which you agreed with is that if you don&#039;t like your deal go work somewhere else.  The players have options.  They should use them.  The owners owe them nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world can easily exist without the NFL.  If the owners hold out, players will cross the picket lines like before.  Most can&#8217;t manage their money.</p>
<p>realitypolice says:<br />
Feb 10, 2011 9:36 PM<br />
I am glad you have such a high opinion of yourself.  Unless you own the company, I am sure they existed before you and will after you are gone.  My point which you agreed with is that if you don&#8217;t like your deal go work somewhere else.  The players have options.  They should use them.  The owners owe them nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: garyman1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look, they obviously need a rookie wage scale when some teams DON&#039;T WANT the first pick in the draft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, they obviously need a rookie wage scale when some teams DON&#8217;T WANT the first pick in the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: thatdude32</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DeMaurice Smith is a wolf in sheeps clothing, he by himself will push this lockout an extra month or two cuz i keep hearin he wants to run for office in the near future his motives are highly suspect]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeMaurice Smith is a wolf in sheeps clothing, he by himself will push this lockout an extra month or two cuz i keep hearin he wants to run for office in the near future his motives are highly suspect</p>
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		<title>By: realitypolice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realitypolice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tmb333 says:
Feb 10, 2011 8:58 PM

The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be….like our bosses would….and if the players don’t like it they are free to quit.
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If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that&#039;s a you problem.

If the company I&#039;m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.

Just like the NFL would if they tried to use scabs for an extended period of time.  

I&#039;m a businessman and don&#039;t typically defend unions.  

But I don&#039;t see NFL players as union laborers in the classic sense.  

If the UAW walked off the job, the industry could replace them with scabs and barely miss a beat.

NFL players are specialists.  Anybody replacing them would provide an extremely inferior product.

That gives them more leverage, which they are completely entitled to use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tmb333 says:<br />
Feb 10, 2011 8:58 PM</p>
<p>The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be….like our bosses would….and if the players don’t like it they are free to quit.<br />
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<p>If you have a job where a boss could treat you like that, that&#8217;s a you problem.</p>
<p>If the company I&#8217;m attached to now tried to shove a contract down my throat, I would tell him to f*** off, because their business would collapse without me.</p>
<p>Just like the NFL would if they tried to use scabs for an extended period of time.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a businessman and don&#8217;t typically defend unions.  </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see NFL players as union laborers in the classic sense.  </p>
<p>If the UAW walked off the job, the industry could replace them with scabs and barely miss a beat.</p>
<p>NFL players are specialists.  Anybody replacing them would provide an extremely inferior product.</p>
<p>That gives them more leverage, which they are completely entitled to use.</p>
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		<title>By: joetoronto</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have the Chargers won the preseason Super Bowl again yet?]]></description>
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		<title>By: jc1958coo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[f#ck those f#ck*n owners]]></description>
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		<title>By: jc1958coo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you think your better then the rookies, signup!
or as jake nicholson says pick up a weapon and stand at post! either way you can&#039;t handle the NFL!  but you wussies still don&#039;t think they deserve the $$$$]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you think your better then the rookies, signup!<br />
or as jake nicholson says pick up a weapon and stand at post! either way you can&#8217;t handle the NFL!  but you wussies still don&#8217;t think they deserve the $$$$</p>
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		<title>By: rcali</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 02:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the potential first round draft picks who are just going to be playn&#039; for the check have to be getting nervous.]]></description>
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		<title>By: tmb333</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The players have options just like all of us.  If they don&#039;t like the pay they are free to go utilize their free college degree or they can go to the UFL  or CFL.

The same people that support the players union are the same ones that think the UAW et al or bad.  Rich envy.

The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be....like our bosses would....and if the players don&#039;t like it they are free to quit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The players have options just like all of us.  If they don&#8217;t like the pay they are free to go utilize their free college degree or they can go to the UFL  or CFL.</p>
<p>The same people that support the players union are the same ones that think the UAW et al or bad.  Rich envy.</p>
<p>The owners should take a stand and tell them this is the way it is going to be&#8230;.like our bosses would&#8230;.and if the players don&#8217;t like it they are free to quit.</p>
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		<title>By: realitypolice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[realitypolice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of you people coming down on the league&#039;s side here are acting like the union doesn&#039;t want a rookie wage scale.

What they don&#039;t want is slotted contracts that last FIVE YEARS.  Is a five year veteran a rookie?  

Why should a player in his 5th NFL season, when most players are at least half way through their careers, still have his salary being determined by where he was drafted 5 years ago?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you people coming down on the league&#8217;s side here are acting like the union doesn&#8217;t want a rookie wage scale.</p>
<p>What they don&#8217;t want is slotted contracts that last FIVE YEARS.  Is a five year veteran a rookie?  </p>
<p>Why should a player in his 5th NFL season, when most players are at least half way through their careers, still have his salary being determined by where he was drafted 5 years ago?</p>
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