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Tom Heckert sends a warning message about Shaun Rogers

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Shaun Rogers may be one of the most underrated talents of the last decade, but the guy on the 2010 Browns roster was reduced to a part-time player that never practiced.

Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years has affected him.

“Shaun’s a different cat,” Heckert told Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer.  “Shaun’s whole thing — and he’s stated a million times — is that he’s never been on a team that’s any good. Every team he’s ever been on has been bad. Right or wrong,  I think it’s taken a toll on him.”

Translation: Rogers half-assed his way through his last season despite having the highest base salary on the team.  So it was easy to cut him.

Rogers’ first trip as a free agent was to Washington.  Rogers has suffered through ten straight losing seasons as a player and the Redskins don’t seem like the best option if he’s concerned with winning above all.

“I think if he went to a good team, things might change. I don’t know,” Heckert said.

Rogers can probably be a productive part of a winning team if he’s willing to take less money.  Players rarely make that sacrifice, though, so Heckert’s comments should serve as a warning to Washington’s front office.

They don’t exactly have a great track record with mercurial veteran defensive tackles.

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38 Responses to “Tom Heckert sends a warning message about Shaun Rogers”
  1. heyooooh says: Feb 11, 2011 9:08 PM

    Man…you rarely hear GM’s openly criticize one of their former players like that. It’s pretty refreshing to hear.

  2. assnfootball says: Feb 11, 2011 9:10 PM

    If I was a football player I’ll half ass it anytime I can, knowing what a toll football is on a players life especially after retirement.

  3. hooterdawg says: Feb 11, 2011 9:11 PM

    “Translation: Rogers half-assed his way through his last season despite having the highest base salary on the team. So it was easy to cut him.”

    Where did you get THAT conclusion from what was said? It’s just ridiculous the comments made about NFL players from people who could never play a down.

  4. tfbuckfutter says: Feb 11, 2011 9:40 PM

    “Shaun’s a different cat,” Heckert told Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. “Shaun’s whole thing — and he’s stated a million times — is that he’s never been on a team that’s any good. Every team he’s ever been on has been bad. Right or wrong, I think it’s taken a toll on him.”

    “Rogers’ first trip as a free agent was to Washington.”

    ——————————–

    Hmm….perhaps he should accept some responsibility for his fate.

    Maybe he should marry a stripper and then complain about her cheating on him too.

  5. tfbuckfutter says: Feb 11, 2011 9:44 PM

    “hooterdawg says: Feb 11, 2011 9:11 PM
    Where did you get THAT conclusion from what was said? It’s just ridiculous the comments made about NFL players from people who could never play a down.”

    It’s ridiculous that some people think you have to participate in something in order to properly critique it.

    Pff….Bill Belichick couldn’t tackle anyone in the NFL, and he’s supposed to be a coach? Ridiculous.

    Pff…..General Managers and scouts. Never even played the game and they think they can evaluate guys who do? Ridiculous.

  6. trickbunny says: Feb 11, 2011 9:52 PM

    assnfootball says:
    Feb 11, 2011 9:10 PM

    If I was a football player I’ll half ass it anytime I can, knowing what a toll football is on a players life especially after retirement.
    ———————————————

    If you know what a toll football takes on a player’s life/health and therefore you’d hal-ass it as much as you could, then why would you ever play in the first place?

    What a retarded statement.

  7. trickbunny says: Feb 11, 2011 9:53 PM

    ha ha.. “hal-ass.” Let me try that again…
    Half-ass. There. That’s better.

  8. slickzmoney says: Feb 11, 2011 9:55 PM

    He’s older and is not an every down player but he fills a need for the Redskins. He can play nose along with Bryant since A.H. will be gone. If the price is right(incentives baby) this is not a bad pick-up for the Skins.

  9. rushbacker says: Feb 11, 2011 10:07 PM

    Once Dan Snyder has a player in his sights, no warning sign in existence is gonna stop him from overpaying.

  10. goldsteel says: Feb 11, 2011 10:08 PM

    It’s also an acknowledgment the Browns have been awful. Perhaps, Roger’s play was uninspired so he would get cut. The Steelers could always use a backup nose tackle. Pittsburgh might get his motor running again?

  11. theguywhotoldtimtebowtoshutthefup says: Feb 11, 2011 10:14 PM

    ^ That’s just what PFT does. They assume, negatively translate (most of the time things that don’t need translation), and criticize players and teams for what they did, didn’t do, said, or did not say.
    They obviously get paid well for it too. I’m just not that much of an avid reader like I once was because of it

  12. deepbacksidedig says: Feb 11, 2011 10:39 PM

    Patriot.

  13. couldntthinkofaname says: Feb 11, 2011 10:42 PM

    tfbuckfutter says: Feb 11, 2011 9:44 PM

    “hooterdawg says: Feb 11, 2011 9:11 PM
    Where did you get THAT conclusion from what was said? It’s just ridiculous the comments made about NFL players from people who could never play a down.”

    It’s ridiculous that some people think you have to participate in something in order to properly critique it.

    Pff….Bill Belichick couldn’t tackle anyone in the NFL, and he’s supposed to be a coach? Ridiculous.

    Pff…..General Managers and scouts. Never even played the game and they think they can evaluate guys who do? Ridiculous.

    _______________________________

    You’re right, tf.

    But you’re trying to reason with a Browns fan there, so good luck.

    Funny, hooterdawg, all of you experts in Cleveland were so sure Brady Quinn was the next Joe Montana. So did all you Browns fans play in the NFL before you came to that conclusion? Did you all work in a front office when you all proclaimed Phil Savage a genius?

  14. steely185 says: Feb 11, 2011 10:47 PM

    Word is already out that he’s not going to sign. They weren’t that interested and he wants too much money according to Kelly Johnson.

  15. tonymission says: Feb 11, 2011 10:49 PM

    Redskins sound like a perfect fit for him.

  16. hooterdawg says: Feb 11, 2011 10:51 PM

    tfbuckfutter says:
    Feb 11, 2011 9:44 PM
    “hooterdawg says: Feb 11, 2011 9:11 PM
    Where did you get THAT conclusion from what was said? It’s just ridiculous the comments made about NFL players from people who could never play a down.”

    It’s ridiculous that some people think you have to participate in something in order to properly critique it.

    Pff….Bill Belichick couldn’t tackle anyone in the NFL, and he’s supposed to be a coach? Ridiculous.

    Pff…..General Managers and scouts. Never even played the game and they think they can evaluate guys who do? Ridiculous.

    I suppose you never attended a reading comprehension course. I was obviously talking about the writer of the insult against Shaun Rogers. But since you took the comment further to display your own ignorance, Bill Belichick played football in college, as have many other football coaches and adminstrators in the NFL. Why do you think they chose football as their career…because they are beer swilling TV watching couch potatoes like you?

  17. granadosm says: Feb 11, 2011 11:00 PM

    I’m sure the losing has taken a toll on him. Look at Calvin Johnson, he has been in the league only a few years and he’s already said if DET doesn’t turn it around he is not going to resign with the club after his rookie contract is up. Look at Larry Fitzgerald being asked by upper management who they should get at QB, bc if they don’t improve he’s out too. I agree you have to give it a 100%, but i’m sure there’s alot of frusteration along the way. Maybe he will be the new Randy Moss who after being traded from the garbage raiders to the patriots played his heart out and was an every year pro bowler.

  18. carmelo15mvp says: Feb 11, 2011 11:02 PM

    i personally wouldnt mind seeing him play DE in a 3-4 system with a solid NT already in place Rogers has always been about getting to the QB more than a run stuffer, that being said who knows how it would pan out with a 350 lb DE lol.

  19. deepbacksidedig says: Feb 11, 2011 11:06 PM

    Patriot.
    0 2
    ***********
    Two folks think he is more Adalius Thomas than
    Corey Dillon.
    But directing a fellow with bad mood swings towards turning his life around?
    He could become my favorite terrorist.

    The headline says more about the Tom Heckert than it does the player, who no doubt would like an opportunity to meet Tommy in the ring, somewhere.

    I do wish this would happen, a tradition reborn.
    Pistols at twenty would unlikely go over well.

    But some clown tweets something, he receives a challenge to meet in the ring. Gloves, Marquess of Queensberry.
    Or the challenged fellow could chose, sumo, Korean Kick, whatever. his choice
    Swords would be good.

    It would be simply awesome.
    The yap flapper shows, takes his punches, or is declared a coward.

    Might even inspire me to get cable again.

    Just kidding.
    It would be on Veetle.

  20. aliowlsfalcons19 says: Feb 11, 2011 11:15 PM

    id take him in atlanta whether hes considered a 3-4 dt or a 4-3, hes a big dude n demands double teams which wud free up babineaux n abraham!

  21. brownandorange1989 says: Feb 11, 2011 11:18 PM

    Rogers was a lazy slob in Cleveland. He only tried maybe 20% of the time. As for the comment by “goldsteel”, Rogers played for the lions before Cleveland so good call with the “uninspired” line. I forgot how good the lions were with him. Last but not least “couldntthinkofaname”, feel free to grow a pair before you act like cyber trash talker. If you’re going to rag on the browns and their fans, be man enough to point out your team of choice. Yes Phil savage didn’t workout and neither did Brady Quinn but if you show me one team that has been perfect everytime with GM’s and draft picks, everyone on this site with petition to make you NFL commissioner.

  22. johnnyshore says: Feb 11, 2011 11:26 PM

    Does it really matter who the Redskins sign? They will continue to be a losing franchise. (Until they get a new owner.)

  23. burntorangehorn says: Feb 11, 2011 11:30 PM

    hooterdawg beat me to it. Gregg, how the heck do you get that translation out of what Heckert said? It wasn’t even close to a logical interpretation.

  24. realitypolice says: Feb 11, 2011 11:41 PM

    heyooooh says:
    Feb 11, 2011 9:08 PM
    Man…you rarely hear GM’s openly criticize one of their former players like that. It’s pretty refreshing to hear.
    ===================

    I think it stinks.

    You’ve cut the guy, he’s out of your system. Why diminish his chances to find another job?

    If you think he might turn it around if he lands with a good team, why don’t you give him the opportunity to find one, instead of kicking him when he’s down?

    You don’t owe other GM’s this head’s up. Let them do their own homework.

    You know, the homework you obviously DIDN’T do before you traded for him.

    And by the way, Tom, thanks for admitting that your team stinks so badly that it demoralizes your own players and makes them not want to practice.

  25. nooittall says: Feb 12, 2011 1:29 AM

    Mr. Rosenthal,
    Rogers has never been underrated in his career, what he has been is an underachiever for the past decade. I just wanted to make that correction.

  26. ernestbynershands says: Feb 12, 2011 2:04 AM

    Brady Quinn is cute. Phil Savage is brilliant. Browns fans are rational.
    Shaun Rogers will hustle and not be a malcontent.
    These things I know are true.
    Signed,
    Bizarro Jerry

  27. assnfootball says: Feb 12, 2011 3:44 AM

    @trickbunny

    The money.

  28. tombrookshire says: Feb 12, 2011 4:10 AM

    Less money? That’s music to Joe Banner’s ears!

  29. jc1958cool says: Feb 12, 2011 7:00 AM

    sounds like the GM is blaming the player for the losses! the GM does the draft & signs the free agents, but if it does work out it’s the player!
    what an F-en douche bag, not my fault!

  30. MichaelEdits says: Feb 12, 2011 7:43 AM

    When you consider how much my hometown Panthers paid for Sean Gilbert, I think Shaun Rogers would be one happy cat in Carolina.

  31. oldbyrd says: Feb 12, 2011 8:05 AM

    hooterdog: your a moron

  32. liltifer says: Feb 12, 2011 8:21 AM

    “If I was a football player I’ll half ass it anytime I can”

    Probably reason #1 why you’re not a football player.

  33. bigtrav425 says: Feb 12, 2011 9:26 AM

    When he is motivated he is pretty good…but when he isnt he is a cancer and useless i.e this year

  34. da11ascowboys says: Feb 12, 2011 10:39 AM

    Cowboys.

  35. commandercornpone says: Feb 12, 2011 12:12 PM

    well they didnt call him big baby up here for no reason at all.

    i am sure he can still play some, but he has always had motivational issues. i am sure it doesnt help to him to know that his old team in daytwa has an even better young DT now, and their fortunes are looking up.

    not to big baby’s new employer – chaperone him so he doesnt pack a pistol in his luggage or barge into tata bar dressing rooms.

  36. oldcracker says: Feb 12, 2011 12:50 PM

    With an owner like Jerry Jones, I believe the Cowboys are the most deserving of whatever Shaun Rogers brings to the table. (Read into that whatever you want.)

  37. hedphurst says: Feb 12, 2011 1:22 PM

    realitypolice says:
    Feb 11, 2011 11:41 PM

    You don’t owe other GM’s this head’s up. Let them do their own homework.

    You know, the homework you obviously DIDN’T do before you traded for him.

    And by the way, Tom, thanks for admitting that your team stinks so badly that it demoralizes your own players and makes them not want to practice.

    True, there’s no reason to do other people’s homework for them, so I’ll let you figure out who the Browns GM was who traded for Shaun Rogers. I will, however, give you a clue – it WASN’T Tom Heckert.

    Shaun Rogers was a dominant force for the Browns in his first season with the team, and failed to match those numbers in the past two seasons combined. When the highest-paid player on the team is rarely on the field, hasn’t shown much effort when he does play, and was brought in by a previous coaching/personnel team, it’s not a surprise if the current regime decides to cut ties.

    There’s no denying the big guy has a ton of talent, but if he’s not going to pull his weight on the field, he’s not worth keeping around. Heckert would’ve been wise to just keep his mouth shut (or simply say the on-field performance wasn’t what the needed to justify his salary), but critical “fans” would also be wise to at least realize that Heckert’s not the one who traded for Rogers before they accuse him of not “doing his homework” on Rogers.

    Oh, and the GM doesn’t need to say anything to let all of us know that the Browns are horrible. Part of helping the team get better, though, is getting rid of dead weight, which Rogers had become, no matter what the reasons were. Losing talented players is tough, but watching them sit on the sidelines while the team loses is worse.

  38. trickbunny says: Feb 12, 2011 7:21 PM

    goldsteel says:
    Feb 11, 2011 10:08 PM

    It’s also an acknowledgment the Browns have been awful. Perhaps, Roger’s play was uninspired so he would get cut.
    ————————————————–

    OK, let’s say that after playing for the Lions and the Browns, 2 teams well entrenched in sub-par football for years, Rogers thinks “Hey, maybe I can get out of here by not playing up to my potential and getting cut.”

    Well, you still have a problem. It doesn’t matter if he goes to a “good” team because the fact remains that he has the mindset, the mentality, that tells him “give a half-assed effort and you might get what you want.” That is a problem for *anyone* who signs him, be it the Panthers or be it the Packers. On top of that, a player who shows declining skills or reduced productivity is not the type of player that most high caliber teams are going to want. It’s gonna be someone who is desperate, like the Redskins.

    If a coach or GM even has the slightest hint that you laid down on the job because you wanna be traded or cut, it obviously spells c-a-n-c-e-r. Why do you think it took TO so long to get a job- and lo and behold, he got a job on a sh*tty team looking for a stop gap.

    Anyway, the point of all this is that you might think that this points to how bad Cleveland sucks, but I think most football people would see it as A) a guy who quite literally lives up to his nickname, “Big Baby”, or B) a guy who lives up to his nickname AND is the type of primadonna, “I don’t need to practice” type of player who does things like quit on his team and lays down on the job to get what he wants. He doesn’t want to come to practice? Who is he? Brett Favre? ;)

    You don’t want this guy in Pittsburgh. He deserves to play on another bad team because he’s a quitter and has a counter-productive mindset.

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