Comments on: Ten ways to improve the Hall of Fame selection process http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 23:40:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: GG Eden http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-1565425 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:28:20 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-1565425 My simple suggestion is that every single eligible person for the HOF, that is not currently in, should be inducted. And just start each year after selecting the newly eligible ones. Remove the backlog i.e.

]]> By: domer75 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-973276 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:11:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-973276 The problem with all the Halls of Fame is that either you should be in the Hall of Fame or not. First year eligible, either you are elected or you are not. If not there should be no further years to qualify. Your qualifications don’t change from year to year so why allow the name to appear on the ballot more than once?

]]> By: jamson64 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-970550 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:00:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-970550 There is definitely a problem.

Chris Carter is 3rd in receptions, 6th in yards, and 2nd in TDs. It is near criminal he has not been enshrined.

]]> By: profootballknowitall http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-968662 Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:18:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-968662 in reply profootballwalk how many voters do that same thing??? And if they do, do they have the knowledge to understand it for themselves or do they have to depend on the commentators for their “expertise”? By the way, many of them do not understand what they are seeing.

]]> By: bachslunch http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-967784 Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:38:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-967784 Agreed with a few of these suggestions, specifically transparency (#8) and to a limited extent expanding the committee (#1). Rotating panel membership might also be an alternative to #1. But I’m not at all in favor of abolishing the Seniors option, as there are a large number of deserving and overlooked older players who should have their cases reviewed or re-examined — it’s just important to have good nominees like we had this year instead of weak recent options such as Floyd Little, Dick LeBeau, Marshall Goldberg, and Emmitt Thomas. And while bias plays a role in media voters, that bias will only get a whole lot worse if players and coaches get added to the panel mix — as the horrid cronyism example of the Baseball HoF Veterans Committee over the years clearly demonstrates. There also should be one or two nominations at most per year from a pool of coaches and contributors, to be voted on separately as happens with the Seniors, so they don’t take away slots from a player. But I don’t think the system is as broken as some folks think — some tweaks are really all one needs. Finally, Jason Whitlock needs to be seen for what he is — an attack troll sportswriter in the mode of Dan Shaughnessy and Bruce Jenkins. I say don’t feed the trolls, never mind take them seriously.

]]> By: penceja http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-965225 Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:27:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-965225 Some categorizations definitely need to be implemented. The HOF is about players. Excluding a player because a non-player was deemed an appropriate choice, is ridiculous. Clearly, John Madden and Vince Lombardi would be the first to step aside to let a player in – this is a guarantee because of the character that they exhibited in their careers. As far as the other arguments go – they are on point.

]]> By: CKL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-963318 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:36:31 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-963318 Great topic for discussion and good article.

That said, I’m with deep64blue, nothing will matter quality wise until they get rid of a majority of media vote. I can see having a couple guys on the committee but that’s it. The only three media members I believe are qualified enough football knowledge wise to evaluate HOF membership are Mike Mayock, Pat Kirwan and Rick Gosselin. And Mayock was once a player and Kirwan a coach & GM.

I understand you (MF) respect PK and that’s your right and maybe you know a lot more about him than we do from his writing but most hardcore NFL fans I know think he’s a fluff writing self-important hack.

]]> By: iwishiwasindc http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-963309 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:27:43 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-963309 Excellent article and some great posts. NEVER HAVE FANS VOTE would = Dancing WTStars (palin, anyone) or American Idol. Members of HOF should be allowed to vote and the Chris/Cris ‘s should both be in. Agree w/ last line of deepblue64!

]]> By: deep64blue http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-963205 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:58:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-963205 You missed the most obvious improvement – ban all members of the Media from taking part, it’s a fundamental conflict of interest for the people reporting the news to be making the news.

Make the Selection committee ex-Players and Coaches together with existing enshrinees.

]]> By: stevedigre http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-963159 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:28:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-963159 The HOF inductees have basically become a SB ring vote. The season MVP has become a QB popularity vote. Both have lost interest with me.

]]> By: umrguy42 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962998 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:28:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962998 Is making votes transparent really a good thing? Your argument of possible backlash in a hometown seems like a BAD thing – could restrict a voter’s true feelings…

]]> By: rooneyruleblues http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962959 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:54:09 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962959 Is it just me or does almost every post on this site mention Peter King? It is almost like a Peter King Ad in every post.

]]> By: footballhistorian http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962945 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:21:57 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962945 The best start would be to require all members be (or have been) a player, coach or owner (but they can’t vote for anyone on their current or past teams OR the membership is distributed equally amongst the teams). Most journalists are biased fools…and 5th columnists (thanks to Bill Parcells)

]]> By: str82dvd http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962939 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:03:41 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962939 I disagree with the baseball HOF mentality, requiring a certain benchmark of stats to achieve a bust in Canton. A few years of transcendant play trumps a 10 year Hines Ward type career, in my humble opinion.

]]> By: angrycorgi http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962933 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:54:44 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962933 Herschel Walker needs to be in the pro football HOF. Not just because of his stats (first player in history to gain over 4k yards in 3 major categories), but also because he was the reason the 90s cowboys were so freaking ridiculously stacked and in turn the reason for free agency being created.

]]> By: angrycorgi http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962928 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:49:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962928 Do the right thing and put Ryan Leaf in the HOF!

]]> By: tdbragg http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962913 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:14:34 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962913 Your article is dead on the money . The selection process needs to be overhauled and until it is they’re will be deserving candidates who will probably die and leave this world without ever taking they’re rightful place in Canton . A perfect example is L.C. Greenwood of the Pittsburgh Steelers . L.C. was without question the most feared defensive end of the 1970′s . His tall lanky frame and cat like quickness made him nearly impossible to block for a span of several years in the 70′s . His biggest setback was the fact he played opposite , Mean Joe Greene . He single handedly dominated Fran Tarkenton and the Vikings in Super Bowl IX . The Vikings had no answer for him and never came close to blocking him the entire game . Bottom line , L.C. Greenwood has been done a major injustice and it needs to be fixed .

]]> By: joetoronto http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962911 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 11:00:31 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962911 Getting rid of all “reporters” from the panel would be a great start, and Peter King should be the first to go.

]]> By: ruffbufffire http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962900 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 07:48:21 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962900 Chris Crater couldn’t carry Andre reed jock strap!!!!

]]> By: Deb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962839 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:36:25 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962839 Excellent suggestions, Mike. Now for your next article, please tell rank-and-file fans how we can make our voices heard on these issues and on the CBA. Can public pressure from their audience make a difference?

]]> By: rcunningham http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962838 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:29:08 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962838 I take it back, induct Randall Cunningham :)

]]> By: jokendave http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962832 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:20:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962832 I think they should be judged by their peers, not some people who upset because of an interview or non interview. Face it half the people voting at the meeting have no clue on who should and shouldn’t be in. Sports writers are un-qualified to pick HOF people. People who have played the game should have the say. Not some pencil neck trying to get an extra pay check.

]]> By: jcusa514 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962830 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:19:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962830 the only people who complain about the HOF selection process are:
-writers who voted for someone who did not get in.

-fans/coaches/teammates of a player that did not get in.

-fans of a player that did not get in on their first opportunity and think that player will never have a chance to get voted in.

get over it people. to be honest, i think they let too many people in each year. it should be more like baseball, 3 players a year, if that. its too watered down as is

]]> By: ktfulmer http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962829 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:19:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962829 A couple of observations:

1. Jason Whitlock has forgotten about more lard than most members of the selection committee know.

2. The league has expanded twice since the last time voters were able to vote for additional players. An expansion of an extra player or two a year would help clear some of the backlog, and would be extremely warranted.

3. Involving players and coaches in the process sounds good, but they come with an agenda. “That guy cut blocked me in 19 ott 7, so screw him, he is not getting in!”

]]> By: quizguy66 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962827 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:17:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962827 agree with the earlier comment about your point #6 – specialist Ykickers, punters and your Steve Taskers) should be additional category. Under your scheme, it’s impossible for a guy like Vinatieri to get in. That’s a glaring omission – by putting players in categories you don’t have complaining about someone taking a spot and some worthy specialists will finally get their just due.

I still think there should be a veteran committee – too many guys have been passed over by a flawed process. Someone like Ken Riley has no shot otherwise (your revamped system apperars to skew too modern I’m afraid).

-QG

]]> By: angrycorgi http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962799 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:38:48 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962799 I agree with PF for once…having people with exceedingly limited football knowledge or experience function as voters on who should/shouldn’t get into the hall is ludicrous…that makes as much sense as trusting that a half-wit lawyer with no football experience can provide you with accurate NFL information.

]]> By: cappa662 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962789 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:30:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962789 Actually, I think they need to reduce the panel. Too many writers have a voice, when it should be about the players getting in.

]]> By: youboettcha http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962785 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:27:50 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962785 Baseball’s HOF is too exclusive. But the reason the Pro Football HOF includes 4-7 each year is that there are so many positions, and 53 players per team. Baseball is pretty much pitchers and hitters. It’s all about stats. NFL Lineman don’t really have stats, but for the NFL, you know a Hall of Famer when you see one (most of the time).

Also, instead of the Hall of Talent (or Fame), it should be the Hall of Accomplishment.

]]> By: jc1958cool http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962778 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:22:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962778 let the former players decide, those are their peers! they know who was the best, cause they played against them!

]]> By: youboettcha http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/13/ten-ways-to-improve-the-hall-of-fame-selection-process/#comment-962775 Mon, 14 Feb 2011 02:20:42 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=111190#comment-962775 In your position list, you forgot Kicker/Punter. Also, what if two obvious first-ballot hall of famers retire the same year? What if Deion Sanders and Darrell Green had retired the same season, or if Manning and Brady do? Just because they’re the same position doesn’t mean you should have to exclude one.

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