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Jim Irsay: We’ve already offered Peyton Manning more than Tom Brady

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Is Colts quarterback Peyton Manning better than Patriots quarterback Tom Brady? That’s a subject of great debate among NFL fans, but Colts owner Jim Irsay doesn’t have any doubt: He thinks his guy is the best, and deserves to be paid as the best.

In fact, Irsay says he’s already made Manning a better offer than the four-year, $72 million deal that Brady signed in September.

Irsay said at a news conference today that he wouldn’t go into the specific dollar amounts that he’s offered Manning, but he did say he’s willing to sign the soon-to-be 35-year-old Manning to a five-year contract or even a six-year deal. Manning turns 35 next month.

Manning has been incredibly consistent and incredibly healthy during his NFL career, so if there’s ever been a 35-year-old who could be a safe bet for a lot of guaranteed money on a six-year contract, it’s Manning. Still, the reality is that only a tiny minority of professional athletes continue to compete at a high level into their late 30s and early 40s.

And the reality also is that Manning slipped a bit statistically in 2010. He threw more interceptions last year than he had in any season since 2002, and he also had a lower passer rating than he had in any season since 2002. Considering that Brady was the regular-season MVP, is Manning really worth more money than Brady?

Apparently Irsay thinks he is. And the fact that Manning hasn’t signed the Colts’ contract offer yet would suggest that Manning thinks he deserves more than Brady, and then some.

UPDATE: Video evidence

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71 Responses to “Jim Irsay: We’ve already offered Peyton Manning more than Tom Brady”
  1. rcunningham says: Feb 17, 2011 7:19 PM

    I can’t believe Peyton’s entire career has flashed by so quickly. I still remember on draft day 1998 truly believing that Peyton would last a long time, but that Ryan Leaf would ultimately be more consistent.

    I wasn’t very smart in 1998.

  2. ButkisMyDick says: Feb 17, 2011 7:20 PM

    Didn’t Tom Brady take less money so they could pay more for other players? If Manning wants to be more than a One Ring Wonder he and his coach should focus more on his team and not him.

  3. devilinmypocket says: Feb 17, 2011 7:21 PM

    I’m not a Colts fan and I could care less in the Manning vs Brady debate, but I think Manning is probably the only QB I’ve seen other than Dan Marino that can put a lesser team on his back and consistently win football games.

    If he had the Patriot’s defense, there’s no way he wouldn’t have won multiple Super Bowls in his career.

  4. pftareraiderhaters says: Feb 17, 2011 7:22 PM

    give him a 5 year deal @100 million

  5. upperdecker19 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:26 PM

    Would a larger contract for Peyton translate to 2 hours less commercial endorsements per 3 hour game?

  6. mkepackfan says: Feb 17, 2011 7:28 PM

    Not enough for King Peyton….he wants the whole team’s salary so his teammates can come up to him ala Oliver Twist & say “Please sir may I have more?”

  7. jonlynia says: Feb 17, 2011 7:29 PM

    Manning has taken less money in the past to keep other great players. There are options for making him the “highest paid” by doing a long term deal to with max bonus that spreads the cap hit out.

    GET’ER DONE!

  8. FoozieGrooler says: Feb 17, 2011 7:31 PM

    ButkisMyDick says: Feb 17, 2011 7:20 PM

    “Didn’t Tom Brady take less money so they could pay more for other players?”

    How very noble, a multi-mega-millionaire offering to take less.
    That’s like pouring one less gallon of water over Niagara Falls.
    Besides, I doubt he cares anyway, his wife makes more than he does.

  9. skimbell says: Feb 17, 2011 7:33 PM

    Bottom line is Manning isn’t anything special in the post season. Never has been. If Irsay wants to throw a bunch of money at Manning just so that he can say that his QB is the highest paid in the league, who cares?
    I like most of Mannings commercials OK, but $75M (or whatever they’re kicking around)/4 years?
    I think Manning has as many SB win as Trent Dilfer doesn’t he?

  10. rtl1984 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:33 PM

    Everything Peyton has done for that city? Give the man the money.

  11. mataug says: Feb 17, 2011 7:37 PM

    A six year deal may be more cap friendly also… pro-rate the signing bonus, maybe backload some of the stuff and re-negotiate 3-4 years down the line

    will be interesting to see what Peyton does… he has earned enough to be set for life but he has to toe the union line also

  12. profootballwalk says: Feb 17, 2011 7:37 PM

    Irsay sounds like one of those rich guys who needs to tell you his dong is bigger than yours. Moron.

  13. patmccabe69 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:38 PM

    Granted the guy consistently puts up great stats every year.

    But the reality is:
    1) the guy consistently chokes in the playoffs every year
    2) is closer to 40 than 30

    While still good, it’s ridiculous to spend that much on a guy that’s going to be playing in the twilight of his career.

  14. rectumnearlykilledem says: Feb 17, 2011 7:44 PM

    The guy doesn’t even have a .500 post season record. And he’s been playing offense with something like 7 first round picks.

    Please. He’s gonna be remembered as a great regular season QB but also for throwing one of the biggest interceptions in SB history. Sorry, truth hurts.

  15. docmenace says: Feb 17, 2011 7:48 PM

    He has the same amount of rings as Aaron Rodgers… and I’d rather have Rodgers. Brady is so much better it’s not funny. I’ll never understand the Peyton love… overrated

  16. mikebrownmakesmefrown says: Feb 17, 2011 7:50 PM

    Baby Manning wants more money. Boo hoo!!!!!!

  17. hobartbaker says: Feb 17, 2011 7:53 PM

    Colts are just having trouble coming up with a world class fashion model for Peyton, to close the deal.

  18. ppdoc13 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:53 PM

    When the playoffs come, his collar gets tight. He may be the greatest regular season QB in the history of football but the bottom line is the Dolts have 1 SB and a lot of whiffs in the playoffs with him as the QB. Unless he gets another, he will be remembered for the pick – 6 against the Saints. It may not be fair, but that is how QB’s are measured. That is why Dan Marino and Dan Fouts are never in the discussion regarding the best ever. Give me Johnny U or Joe Montana. Modern day, I’ll take Brady.

  19. jnolte01 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:54 PM

    I’m not a Colts fan and I could care less in the Manning vs Brady debate, but I think Manning is probably the only QB I’ve seen other than Dan Marino that can put a lesser team on his back and consistently win football games.

    If he had the Patriot’s defense, there’s no way he wouldn’t have won multiple Super Bowls in his career.
    _________________________________

    This comment makes no sense. Tom Brady had a good defense, true. But it wasnt like every superbowl they were in was dictated by their defense, just look at the scores of the ones they won.

    And sure, I bet if Peyton had the 85 Bears defense he’d have probably won 8 superbowls. That’s why there is a salary cap jack. The story would be different too if Tom had the talent and consistency on offense that Peyton had. Brady had Reche Caldwell as his leading receiver for 2006 and still threw for 3500 yards and 12 tds. But its all subjective.

  20. jnolte01 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:55 PM

    should read 24 tds

  21. blkmanwtan says: Feb 17, 2011 7:55 PM

    Brady and Manning are two old men that needs to go home and be family men. These guys consistently choke in playoff games and Super Bowls. I hope these two teams draft a new QB because holding on to these old dogs too long will ruin a franchise. Hey look at how GB did it.

  22. roscoepcoaltrain86 says: Feb 17, 2011 7:56 PM

    Brady has 3 rings! Brady reduced his contract to bring in big names to get 3 rings. Brady missed an entire season from an injury. Tom Brady took sixth round money not first round. Who the hell do you think deserves more money after all those facts in your face. Sucka!!

    Go peddle some Sony to make up the difference.

  23. vikescry1 says: Feb 17, 2011 8:02 PM

    peyton put indy back on the map. and maybe he’s got nothing left, but you have to keep him happy. this should have been done a long time ago. btw maybe he didn’t have his best statistical year last year but i’ll take manning over most QB’S in the league today.

  24. kom2k10 says: Feb 17, 2011 8:08 PM

    I’ve been saying this all along… it’s not about the Money with the Colts. He wants a better coach!!

    Caldwell is sinking that team! They went 14-0 last year, but 7 of those wins came from last minute drives from Manning! He has to carry this team all the time. Caldwell goes to a prevent defense anytime the Colts get a 7-0 lead and teams have these long time consuming scoring drives on them. Peyton only had 3 second half possesions in the 2nd half of the Jets game this year because of that.

    No player should have to overcome their coaches incompetencies to win games… especially in the playoffs! I’m telling you Caldwell is the hold up here. He’s much closer to one of the bottom 5 coaches in the league than he is the top 5.

  25. devilinmypocket says: Feb 17, 2011 8:13 PM

    I think the whole discussion about ‘How many rings = how good you are’ is faulty at it’s very core. I’m not saying this to put up Manning as the best ever, but that’s a team reward. That ring means you had the best team, and the team went to the very top and finished off against what was supposed to be their best opponent the other division had to offer.

    I’m not a fins fan, but I *would* put Marino in the best ever conversation. I wouldn’t put people like Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, ect, ect, because they have rings.

    As a side note, I am so ready for one of these young quarterbacks to step up because I am sick of hearing of both Manning, Brady, and ManningvsBrady.

  26. vikescry1 says: Feb 17, 2011 8:20 PM

    Aaron Rodgers just won the superbowl! there u go the next up and coming QB.

  27. cincycoltsfan says: Feb 17, 2011 8:21 PM

    Manning and Pujols. I hate the Cardinals and love the Colts. But I feel like both of them shouldn’t try to break the bank for the betterment of their teams. As to all you jackwagons who think Brady is better than Manning, pait un doesn’t need a wristband to call his plays. Brady doesn’t have three superbowls.. Would we be comparing Tommy boy to Joe Montana if they correctly called a fumble? I was there for the afc championship when Mr. Clutch had the ball, a 1st down, 50 plus seconds and a timeout. Unbelievable, he threw an interception. I thought he didn’t do that in big games or big moments in the postseason?

  28. descendency says: Feb 17, 2011 8:30 PM

    How very noble, a multi-mega-millionaire offering to take less.
    That’s like pouring one less gallon of water over Niagara Falls.
    Besides, I doubt he cares anyway, his wife makes more than he does.

    It wasn’t an act of altruism. He wanted better players around him and the best way to get them is take less money and restructure your contract. It also makes a lot of people on the team like you when they don’t have to sacrifice (when they would be given the option of do it or get cut).

    Brady had better players and more consistency in his team than Manning did because of it. People overlook the little players, but they are the ones that make most of the plays.

    3 million dollars can be the difference between an average LT and an elite one.

    Manning’s contract attitude (and probably moreso his agent’s) has hurt his chances of getting multiple rings.

    I mean, Bill Pollian is considered a better GM than Belichick+Pioli. Dungy was a comparable coach to Belichich (in most eyes…).

    I’m not even sure Manning could have done anything about it, but it sure didn’t help that he didn’t try.

  29. stixzidinia says: Feb 17, 2011 8:42 PM

    You’d think Manning would be willing to take less in order to help the organization be in a financial position to put good bodies around him. It’s not like he wouldn’t recover those “losses” in the form of the millions he makes in endorsement deals and TV commercial saturation. But no, he’s going for the maximum money grab. And then he’ll complain that the team isn’t doing enough to help him when he comes up short in attaining what really counts…..rings.

    And it’s a fallacy that the Pats have fielded top defenses to help Brady. Go look at the yearly defensive rankings. Quite a few clubs playing much better defensive ball over the years. And it’s not the Colts’ D’s problem that Manning routinely comes up short in the playoffs with sub-par performances at the QB position. It’s no accident that the only ring he has……..he attained dueling with Rex Grossman in the big game.

  30. meattuperello says: Feb 17, 2011 8:44 PM

    First of all, Caldwell is unqualified fool that doesn’t deserve to be a HC in the nFL.

    Secondly, Brady didn’t reduce his contract, he was being paid as a 6th round draft pick when they were winning.

    Furthermore, Manning still completed over 66% of his passes, 09 had a 33-16 td/int ratio ’10 had a 33-17 td-int ratio and threw less int’s based on % of passes thrown. Anyone with a clue, would point to the injuries to Clark and Collie, for the Colts offensive issues, because the QB wasn’t far off of what he was the year before, playing with guys that had never played significant time.

    In closing, I hope he pulls a diva act and asks for a head coaching change. He shouldn’t have to beat the opposing team/coach and then his own coach on top of that. He’s the best qb in the game in my opinion, and easily in the top 25% even if you hate him, yet his coach is easily in the bottom 25%, if not lower than that. The Colts deserve a head coach not some dumb fool that needs training wheels and a football for dummies book.

  31. ampats says: Feb 17, 2011 8:44 PM

    Hahahaha,

    The Middle is a classic example of the Retardsville known as Indiana.

  32. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Feb 17, 2011 8:47 PM

    Peyton would be well-advised to leave a few pennies on the table for the Colts to buttress their offensive line. Otherwise, even despite his quick release, he will likely be paying for the “and then some” portion of his new contract with more blows to his aging body. And then we can expect to hear Peyton, in customary fashion, complain about the lack of protection—again.

  33. yiterp says: Feb 17, 2011 9:01 PM

    It’s a TEAM sport & way too much is made over which of thesee 2 are better. The PATRIOTS have 3 rings & the COLTS have 1.
    As for that silly, ongoing arguement, anyone who knows anything about the NFL, knows Brady is the best Qb since Joe Montana.
    Mississppi Brett doesn’t even make the top 5 since Montana.

  34. Greg says: Feb 17, 2011 9:03 PM

    Peyton can afford to take equal/less money than Tom Brady. I’m a Patriots fan, but Tom will never match the endorsement money that Peyton makes. Never. Tom makes a hell of a lot of money through endorsements such as Under Armour but will never even come close to what Peyton gets. Peyton easily makes more money through endorsements and commercials and sponsorships than he does through his NFL contract.

  35. skylark70455 says: Feb 17, 2011 9:07 PM

    devilinmypocket says: “I think the whole discussion about ‘How many rings = how good you are’ is faulty at it’s very core. I’m not saying this to put up Manning as the best ever, but that’s a team reward. That ring means you had the best team, and the team went to the very top and finished off against what was supposed to be their best opponent the other division had to offer.”

    Amen brother… amen.

    Anyone who judges QB’s by a TEAM accomplishment, is an ignoramus.

  36. herkulease says: Feb 17, 2011 9:14 PM

    Brady has 3 rings! Brady reduced his contract to bring in big names to get 3 rings. Brady missed an entire season from an injury. Tom Brady took sixth round money not first round. Who the hell do you think deserves more money after all those facts in your face. Sucka!!
    ——————————————————

    Too bad Brady won those 3 rings while still on his Rookie Contract. He didn’t reduce anything. He was forced to be in that contract.

    He gave the Pats a discount in 2005 after winning their 3rd superbowl. How many rings has he won since giving them a discount? Oh that’s right none.

  37. redrew says: Feb 17, 2011 9:18 PM

    Manning has 6 #1 draft picks on offense to support him, Brady has 1 #1 pick…a guard. Yeah…Peyton is the greatest….at making money

  38. thetooloftools says: Feb 17, 2011 9:22 PM

    Manning will “price the Colts” out of being competitive.
    The Pats know when to get rid of stars, and i’ll tell you what…. Payton’s “Chinese fire drill” offense has been exposed.
    He’s just NOT worth it…
    I guess everyone figured out [he’s NOT going to run…] maybe he can’t target his receivers anymore and the defense is saying “come to us”.
    I would let him walk before i ruined the franchise to sign him.
    It won’t be popular, but neither was getting rid of Unitas even when that was the right thing to do.

  39. meattuperello says: Feb 17, 2011 9:22 PM

    skimbell… Bottom line Manning has outplayed Manning & Roethlisberger in the post season. Dispute it if you want but you are dead wrong.

  40. swinbun says: Feb 17, 2011 9:53 PM

    ButkisMyDick says:
    Feb 17, 2011 7:20 PM
    Didn’t Tom Brady take less money so they could pay more for other players? If Manning wants to be more than a One Ring Wonder he and his coach should focus more on his team and not him.

    ————————————————–

    Since both Brady and Manning signed contracts in 2004, both have won 1 Super Bowl and lost one. So to all those who praise Giesele for taking less money to “help” his team, while ripping Manning for signing a contract that paid him what he was worth, the results were pretty much the same. Giesele took much less than he could have gotten, while the Pats really didn’t put the money to use any better than the Colts put their money to use. Thats the falacy of the whole thing.

    Now, this past season, Brady signs the mega deal, and people are still ripping Manning for being greedy. The fact is that since 2004 the Colts have signed the key players they have needed to, and having big cap room to sign free agents from other teams isn’t the formula for success. I need nothing more that to point to Danny Snyder or Jerry Jones.

  41. stixzidinia says: Feb 17, 2011 10:03 PM

    I love how Caldwell has become the scapegoat in Indy. Anything to avoid holding Manning to account for his greed and sub-par playoff history huh? There’s a reason Caldwell is an NFL coach and all the people criticizing him are posting online from home. He knows more than you. And Manning’s not leaving the franchise much room for putting good horses on the field. There’s no denying that.

    And I suppose that run of INT’s from Manning last season was Caldwell’s fault too huh? How about all those choke performances in the playoffs before he even took over….Caldwell’s fault too? There were plenty of “one and done” seasons in Indy before Caldwell took the job. Face it Indy fans, you don’t have a solid top-to-bottom club. And Manning’s cap hit is a big reason why.

  42. swinbun says: Feb 17, 2011 10:05 PM

    roscoepcoaltrain86 says:
    Feb 17, 2011 7:56 PM
    Brady has 3 rings! Brady reduced his contract to bring in big names to get 3 rings. Brady missed an entire season from an injury. Tom Brady took sixth round money not first round. Who the hell do you think deserves more money after all those facts in your face. Sucka!!

    Go peddle some Sony to make up the difference.
    ————————————————-

    HE TOOK 6TH ROUND MONEY BECAUSE HE WAS DRAFTED IN THE 6TH ROUND!!!!!

    Brady and Manning both signed contracts in 2004. Remind me again how many Super Bowls each have one since then???? Let me help you……Exactly the same!!!!! They have each won and lost one!!!!! So if you think that Brady signing a lesser contract then Manning in 2004 was so much better for his team, then how is it that he has the same number of rings and Super Bowl appearances since then?????? The Pats obviously did not put that money to such great use now did they???? The fact is you build successful teams through the draft, not free agency.

  43. footballcoach17 says: Feb 17, 2011 10:07 PM

    Unless Jim and Bill get him a smarter and more strategic coaching staff, Peyton should get as much as he can because they simply will not win anymore Super Bowls. This coaching staff is bush league. These coaches ride Peyton’s coat tails for sure.

  44. Wisconsin77 says: Feb 17, 2011 10:39 PM

    “I’m not a Colts fan and I could care less in the Manning vs Brady debate, but I think Manning is probably the only QB I’ve seen other than Dan Marino that can put a lesser team on his back and consistently win football games.”

    Pretty much what Favre did every year in Green Bay after 98.

  45. stanklepoot says: Feb 17, 2011 10:52 PM

    jonlynia says: Feb 17, 2011 7:29 PM

    Manning has taken less money in the past to keep other great players. There are options for making him the “highest paid” by doing a long term deal to with max bonus that spreads the cap hit out.

    GET’ER DONE!
    __________________________
    Ok, you need to back that one up. I know in the contract he did before this last one, Brady gave the team a home town discount so they could invest in improving the roster elsewhere. I’ve never heard of Peyton doing the same thing. He came into the league as the number 1 overall pick and got paid like it. When it came time to do his next contract, he played out his last year and forced the team to franchise him so that he could have leverage for a bigger contract. It ended up making him the highest paid player in the history of the league up until then. This time around he’s done the same thing. By forcing the Colts to put the franchise tag on him, Peyton goes into the final stage of negotiations with $23 million guaranteed already in hand. That means the starting point for the negotiations is higher. You can argue that Peyton is worth that much all you want, and you might or might not be right. Nothing in his past, however, demonstrates a willingness to leave a single dollar on the table if he doesn’t have to.

  46. roscoepcoaltrain86 says: Feb 17, 2011 10:55 PM

    @ swinbun
    You dumbass. Can you comprehend the discussion? It was who should make more money. We all know Brady was drafted in the sixth round. Captain obvious. Brady should have more money on the backend of his career because of success and what he sacrificed. Peyton manning will price the colts out of competition. Now STFU

  47. stanklepoot says: Feb 17, 2011 11:12 PM

    Wisconsin77 says: Feb 17, 2011 10:39 PM

    “I’m not a Colts fan and I could care less in the Manning vs Brady debate, but I think Manning is probably the only QB I’ve seen other than Dan Marino that can put a lesser team on his back and consistently win football games.”

    Pretty much what Favre did every year in Green Bay after 98.
    __________________________
    I’d actually have to agree with you on that point. People want to blame him for the overtime INT in the NFC Championship game in 2007, but the Packers wouldn’t have made it that far without Favre. The running backs contributed something like 35 yards that game, and the next year without him wasn’t exactly a stellar season for them. Rodgers has turned out to be a great QB, but in 2007 (and a number of years leading up to it) they simply wouldn’t have been competitive without Favre.

  48. micker716 says: Feb 17, 2011 11:38 PM

    OK, so the comments section has devolved into the same tired Brady v. Manning argument. Count me in! I vote Manning. Brady sucks.

  49. smokehouse56 says: Feb 17, 2011 11:45 PM

    Isn’t Irsay from the family that stole the Baltimore Colts and moved them to Indy? In the middle of the night no less. Even took their helmet logo, colors, nickname, records with him. That franchise can go stright to hell. Look at their pre-Manning won-lost records. They were bottom feeders for years. Yet Irsey struts around like he is superior to anyone in the NFL. He (Irsay) and the Colts are slugs. Having ranted above, Manning is a class act and deserves all the $$$ he can take from that clown. Irsey has won one Super Bowl in 27 years. He’s a freakn’ moron.

  50. ronmexico4life says: Feb 17, 2011 11:53 PM

    Manning, like Brees and the other big names insulted by ass clown Richardson are pretty much the poster boys for the active NFLPA reps. Any thoughts that maybe Manning refuses this contract simply so he can stand tall with the rest of the union to show determination? Everyone says the owners will try to rip the union apart by creating tension. In my opinion, and not saying it was the Colt’s intension, Peyton rejected this contract in order to keep the Union’s strength at 100% Thoughts?

  51. rayjayjohnsonjr says: Feb 17, 2011 11:56 PM

    Just give it ALL to Manning….the salary cap for the entire team, 100% ownership in the franchise, all concession revenues, 99% royalties from all street and stadium vendors, 99% of TV revenues, 50,000 free seats of Archies choice, etc. And THEN, lets set back and see him be the only player in NFL history to win a second SB all by himself…after all, he has already won one SB, without any other players help, wink wink, and deserves a chance to do it again, you know? lol

  52. steelbreeze676 says: Feb 18, 2011 1:24 AM

    No amount of money can make up for that mess of a face.

    None.

  53. stevesabato says: Feb 18, 2011 1:32 AM

    Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have similar passer-ratings in the post-season, with Manning’s being slightly higher, and Manning has 900 more passing yards in the post-season but Tom Brady has a better post-season W/L record. Doesn’t that, and oh, I don’t know, the seemingly obvious factor that more than one player contributes to a playoff victory, lend a little credence to those folks who would rather have Peyton Manning than Tom Brady? It’s pretty even one way or the other. The people who dismiss Manning or Brady (though it seems Manning is more easily dismissed due to the fact that his TEAM hasn’t always been up to snuff in the playoffs) simply don’t know what they are talking about, because there is ample evidence to support a case for either of these quarterbacks.

  54. stevesabato says: Feb 18, 2011 1:34 AM

    And they’ve played in the exact same number of post-season games, so it’s not like those 900 extra yards came in 6 more post-season appearances so I could skew that in his favor. That seemed relevant to mention as well.

  55. saintsfire says: Feb 18, 2011 2:57 AM

    Colts had a lot of injuries last season.
    The year before that they rested starters instead of going for unbeaten regular season.

    A lot of posters here aren’t impartial they think their guy on some other team is their momma.

    Being as I’m a dolphins fan and we have no Quarterback to speak of, you can count my post as impartial.

    Maybe this year being Henne’s 3rd year will be a breakout from failure. Though I wouldn’t put any of my money on that.

    Henne we all seen on the sidelines perpeptually keeping his jaw up and out, a little humilty would look better.

    Keeping your head up only goes so far, at some point you must lower those eyes.

    When you throw that many interceptions and lose that many games for your team the place for your chin is on your chest and your head down.

  56. barrypftharrison says: Feb 18, 2011 6:08 AM

    Post season performance has to be judged differently. In the post season, if the seeded teams win, then only 2 teams will have a winning percentage. 2. if they don’t go according to seed (this usually happens) then as many as 4 of the 12 teams will have a winning percentage. This means that most teams, most coaches, most players will have a losing record in the playoffs for their career.
    So how do you judge them? I don’t know. I do know this; most teams would take Manning if they had a chance. Why is that?

  57. Akula says: Feb 18, 2011 6:43 AM

    I am just curious as to what the grounds are for manning getting paid more than Brady? I’m serious.

  58. hoopsdoc says: Feb 18, 2011 6:56 AM

    Akula-because Manning’s better?

  59. hoopsdoc says: Feb 18, 2011 7:00 AM

    I love how people LOVE to kill Manning for his playoff choke job’s while at the same time giving Brady a free pass on his.

    Lets not forget who owns the 2 GREATEST choke job’s in NFL playoff HISTORY. That would be Tom Brady in the 2006 AFCCG and the 07 Super Bowl.

  60. hoopsdoc says: Feb 18, 2011 7:06 AM

    As for Manning’s contract, he has no CHOICE but to take the richest contract in NFL history.

    He’s clearly the best player in the game, all other deals will be based, to some degree, on what he gets. The NFLPA would kill him if he took a below market average deal.

  61. awdlmd says: Feb 18, 2011 7:13 AM

    Doesn’t matter if Manning is better than Brady or not, Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does to the Pats. If the Pats lose Brady they still have a good team. If they Colts lost Manning they would have nothing.

  62. 4ever19 says: Feb 18, 2011 7:30 AM

    Here we go. Peyton will get paid. He just needs to leave a little so his O-line isn’t Jeff Saturday and 4 guys from the ArenaLeague2 and the Colts can get a couple of D-linemen who don’t get pushed back to Veedersburg every Sunday.

  63. shallowfan says: Feb 18, 2011 8:03 AM

    “I’m not a Colts fan and I could care less in the Manning vs Brady debate, but I think Manning is probably the only QB I’ve seen other than Dan Marino that can put a lesser team on his back and consistently win football games.”

    I agree with this, but he wouldn’t have to put a lesser team on his back if the colts could afford to pay some other players to put around him…and Freeney. There is only so much money to go around and if they want to win more championships they need more weapons and if they want more weapons they better draft better and find some cheap guys in the 4th and 5th round who become studs or Manning needs to take less money.

    This year is a perfect example of lack of talent at WR and other positions around Manning, and he struggled some during games. He can’t do it all and he shouldn’t be paid like a one man team. Give Manning a couple of stud WR’s and OL and you have an awesome offense…just harder to do without enough $$$

  64. Akula says: Feb 18, 2011 8:23 AM

    hoopsdoc says:

    Feb 18, 2011 6:56 AM

    Akula-because Manning’s better
    ——————————————–

    And he is better because????????

    Any logical reasons?

  65. latrobe21 says: Feb 18, 2011 8:50 AM

    Manning isn’t even the second best qb ib the league – Big Ben is

  66. flash1283 says: Feb 18, 2011 9:03 AM

    hoopsdoc says:
    Feb 18, 2011 7:00 AM
    I love how people LOVE to kill Manning for his playoff choke job’s while at the same time giving Brady a free pass on his.

    Lets not forget who owns the 2 GREATEST choke job’s in NFL playoff HISTORY. That would be Tom Brady in the 2006 AFCCG and the 07 Super Bowl.
    ——–

    Stupid post

    How did Brady choke in the 07 SB?
    After the beating he took the entire game he was able to take the team down the field and throw the go ahead TD with just under 2 mn.
    After that it’s on the defence. I hope you are not implying that because he didnt take them 80 plus yards with 39 sec left that means he choked. Same thing with the 06 game, that one is also on the D
    NE had a pretty big lead at the half, the D gave up all those second half points.

    It was Manning who threw the pick 6 that caused his team a SB.
    It has been Manning who has gone 1 and done 7 times in the post season.

  67. hoopsdoc says: Feb 18, 2011 9:03 AM

    Akula said-And he is better because????????

    Any logical reasons?

    Well, let’s see. He’s better in almost EVERY statistical category, except for rings and qb rating.(although he’s better than Brady in the postseason in that category). He’s won more MVP’s, been to more pro-bowls, and holds more single season and career records.

    He leads Brady in completions, yards, completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and touchdowns.

    He was also voted as better in a player poll AND on the All Decade team.

    There’s a few reasons for you……

  68. richm2256 says: Feb 18, 2011 9:37 AM

    devilinmypocket says:
    Feb 17, 2011 8:13 PM
    I think the whole discussion about ‘How many rings = how good you are’ is faulty at it’s very core. I’m not saying this to put up Manning as the best ever, but that’s a team reward. That ring means you had the best team, and the team went to the very top and finished off against what was supposed to be their best opponent the other division had to offer.
    ————————————————–
    Your argument holds water, until I throw in the name “Roethlisbeger”.

    Big Ben had a chance to be a Montanna, a Brady, with two minutes left and a chance to engineer a Super Bowl-winning drive. That’s not a “team” thing, it’s a quarterback thing. HE failed, not the “team”.

  69. flash1283 says: Feb 18, 2011 9:43 AM

    hoopsdoc says:
    Feb 18, 2011 9:03 AM
    Akula said-And he is better because????????

    Any logical reasons?

    Well, let’s see. He’s better in almost EVERY statistical category, except for rings and qb rating.(although he’s better than Brady in the postseason in that category). He’s won more MVP’s, been to more pro-bowls, and holds more single season and career records.

    He leads Brady in completions, yards, completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and touchdowns.

    He was also voted as better in a player poll AND on the All Decade team.

    There’s a few reasons for you……

    00  
    ————
    again a lame post!!!

    Manning has played 4 more seasons than Brady so if you just look at the numbers then yeah Manning are better he’s Played longer (not to mention he also plays in a dome at least 8 games a year, something the Manning apologist always leave out)

    The only fair way to do it if you are going to use stats as your argument is to do it based on the average per season

    Manning has played 13 seasons
    Avrg

  70. flash1283 says: Feb 18, 2011 9:54 AM

    hoopsdoc says:
    Feb 18, 2011 9:03 AM
    Akula said-And he is better because????????

    Any logical reasons?

    Well, let’s see. He’s better in almost EVERY statistical category, except for rings and qb rating.(although he’s better than Brady in the postseason in that category). He’s won more MVP’s, been to more pro-bowls, and holds more single season and career records.

    He leads Brady in completions, yards, completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and touchdowns.

    He was also voted as better in a player poll AND on the All Decade team.

    There’s a few reasons for you……

    00  
    ————
    again a lame post!!!

    Manning has played 4 more seasons than Brady so if you just look at the numbers then yeah Manning are better he’s Played longer (not to mention he also plays in a dome at least 8 games a year, something the Manning apologist always leave out)

    The only fair way to do it if you are going to use stats as your argument is to do it based on the average per season

    Manning has played 13 seasons
    Avrg yrd per season – 4217
    avrg. TD’s per- 30
    Avrg Int’s per- 15
    Avrg team wins per – 10
    QB rtn – 94.9

    Brady has Played 9 seasons(leaving out 08 injury and 00 didn’t play)
    Avrg yrds per season 3860
    Avrg TD’s per season- 29
    Avrg Int’s per seaon- 11
    Avrg team wins per – 12
    QB rtn- 95.2

    Oh and the comp% is 64.9 to 63.6 Manning.
    But again he plays half of his games INDOORS!!
    And yes that helps his comp%

    So Overall based on the average both are pretty even.

  71. richm2256 says: Feb 18, 2011 9:57 AM

    You are about to hear a Patriots fan stand up for paying Peyton Manning his money, and I am not going to get into a Manning vs. Brady debate in doing it.

    Aside from Manning’s poor playoff performance, one cannot ignore that he is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. Every single year, despite whatever piss-poor moves the GM makes (or doesn’t make!), despite whether his coach is a genius (Dungy) or a Pop Warner reject (guess who I’m talking about here?), Peyton Manning has always shown up to make the Colts an extremely competitive team.

    ALWAYS.

    And despite his being in the league for what, 12 seasons now, despite seeing countless quarterbacks – forgettable as well as memorable – come and go in those 12 years, Peyton Manning STILL has the skills to rank at the top of his position and STILL scares the beejezus out of you when he’s playing YOUR team.

    Pay the man, because without him, you are the Carolina Panthers.

    And figure out how to get a good team built around him with the money you have left. The Patriots never overpaid for the team that surrounds Brady, I’m sure Indy can figure out how to do the same.

    That said, Tom Brady should always make $5 a year more than Peyton.

    At least.

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