Comments on: Doug Williams says “good ol’ boy network is alive and well” in front offices http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Wed, 22 May 2013 14:48:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: pftequalsgreatjournalism http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-975690 Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:17:52 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-975690 prior0knowledge says: Feb 21, 2011 11:13 PM

for the ignorant, doug williams holds a super bowl passing record while playing for the redskins

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And I have a big tree in my front yard…

Neither qualifies a person to be a GM of an NFL franchise…

Not that I am implying that you might be lacking in fundamental cognitive skills…

]]> By: beastmode2 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-975617 Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:36:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-975617 Doug should have eliminated himself the second he said “Im going to Didney World”. What an idiot.

]]> By: 1historian http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-973805 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:27:40 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-973805 As a society we have gone from Bull Connor to Barak Obama in 50 years – no country in history can come even close to making a statement like that. The last hole on the ‘white liberal guilt’ card was punched on November 4, 2008.

We white folks lost the minority on racism long ago, if we ever even had it – there is no such thing as ‘reverse racism’.

]]> By: willhnic http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-973443 Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:49:59 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-973443 OK. So I think more than a few comments are presumptuous. No where in the article did Doug Williams state ethnicity as an issue. (There is no such thing as race. Only the human race.) He actually mentioned the issues was a fraternity type of mentality. Those are the facts. Another thing to consider is that Doug Williams was the first black quarterback to win a Superbowl. Every quarterback before him was put on the Wheaties box. Guess what…he was skipped. I wonder why? It didn’t happen the next year. :(

I agree, if there are other issues keeping him out of a GM role, so be it. However, you do have to wonder about the age and type of personell in that capacity today. They think the same way those Wheaties execs did back in the day. So sad. I really do hope things have changed.

]]> By: snccoach http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972612 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:29:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972612 First of all, lets put all the cards on the table:

Doug Williams was an above average Super Bowl winning quarterback that happened to be black. Just because someone played in the NFL doesn’t mean they’re entitled to any future coaching, scouting or personnel positions.

The reality is Doug Williams was/is a sub-par personnel executive. His management qualities are not desirable and he sounds completely uneducated when he speaks. This guy coud not attain an executive leadership position in the “real world”.

The only reason he originally held that capacity was Gruden extending a hand to the guy who helped build the franchise. Again, just because you played does not mean you know the business side of football….period.

Sometimes people’s sense of entitlement is out of control.

]]> By: urthemandougie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972521 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:33:17 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972521 Maybe these people do not know how you were treated by Mr. Hugh Culverhouse when you wife died and he would not attend the funeral or send any of the Buccaneers Front Office people to represent the Tampa Bay Bucs. Maybe they don’t know how he refused to pay what you should have gotten when your contract was up. Maybe they have never read “Quarterblack. Maybe they don’t knowwhat a coach named John McKay or Joe Gibbs saw in you when it was said that no black QB could ever take a NFL team to the Super Bowl. I would just like to say Thank You Mr Williams for all that you have changed, for all the great players that now play the game every Sunday because of the barriers that you knocked down to give other black QB’s a shot. There are a lot of us old timers that know what you did to make this thing we call a game what it is today. Thank You and the best to you and all your future endeavors.

]]> By: 11inthebox http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972247 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:08:02 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972247 Wow. A lot of angry white men here.

I dont understand why you feel so threatened. Black folks only comprise 13% of the population. And due to age and/or circumstance, only a tiny percentage of them will have any influence on your life. So why do you get so upset when these things are discussed?

Youre still in charge of things. Just relax and enjoy it.

]]> By: closisgood http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972176 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:29:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972176 Why does everything have to be considered race baiting or pulling the race card?
As if ANY and EVERY time it is brought up it doesn’t merit the opinion of discrimination?

Its racist to say that racism(discrimination) doesn’t exist.
Just because you say it doesn’t, does not mean it doesn’t take place.
Just because YOU don’t use the “N” word doesn’t mean others don’t.
Hell I use it and I most definitely not consider myself a racist but maybe some black guys would.

A lot of you are blind by design, shoving it dirt under the rug doesn’t mean its not there it just means you people choose to ignore it.

]]> By: watchthisjack http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972067 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:19:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972067 Hey do you think I, a white guy, could get a job coaching at Grambling?
No, you say? Why not?
Maybe this over racism deserves a mention somewhere in the column wherein someone is whining about implied racism.

]]> By: shallowfan http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972061 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:16:41 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972061 Sad day…lost some respect for Doug.

Aside from the race card that everyone is commenting about…You don’t have to air out dirty laundry like saying everyone wanted Sanchez instead of Freeman…this doesn’t do anyone any good, especally not Doug Williams who will not get a job in the NFL…ever. If I was an owner there is no way I hire this guy.

Enjoy coaching your son a Grambling, because I’m sure that is your last stop.

]]> By: yyyass http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-972040 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:35 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-972040 The percentages revealed by his comments are actually ahead of national averages. The Bucs have a minority coach and QB. And he fails to realize that GM positions are business management positions, not coaching positions. it doesn’t mean a player cannot become a talented GM (See Ozzie in B-more) but it’s not a given just because you played on the field. A lot of star players make lousy coaches and GMs because all they knew was playing the game (in fact one position) at a high level – not pursuing a job in another field or coaching all their lives. They know how to be a great QB, or shortstop, or power forward – and that’s it in a lot of cases. Handling numbers and the personalities of lesser players is not their strong suit.

]]> By: jm1014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971974 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:54:48 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971974 Pathetic. Have been a Buccaneer fan since williams played there. Doubtful that race plays ANY part. Williams was one of the dumbest QBs ever. Yes, he had a miracle super bowl with the redskins….but simply is not intelligent enough to be a GM in the NFL. Doug…..put the race card away. It’s not always about race…..its about qualifications and smarts.

]]> By: ice90 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971949 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:28:54 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971949 One of the problems with sports is that some believe you had to play the game to be any good at evaluating talent. That’s nonsense. For God’s sakes….. look at ESPN! The only people hired as reporters or analysts today are former players or hot chicks. Most of these people are TERRIBLE! (with a few exceptions)

Hell, Howard Cosell couldn’t get a job in sports broadcasting today if he was just starting out. How insane is that?

]]> By: CKL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971940 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:14:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971940 Hey Doug…FYI the good ole boy network, nepotism, “who you know”, whose butt you kiss, etc. is the way things work in just about every company I’ve ever seen not just the NFL. Maybe you don’t know that though because you’ve never had to go out and get a regular job.
Does Williams really believe that he would have gotten all the non playing related opportunities he has outside of playing had he not had connections from his playing days…a/k/a ” who you know”? Come on, man.

The idea that he thought Sanchez who had played something like 16 games ever at the college level was somehow more suited to “playing now” than Freeman? Well I would love to see what is behind that logic. The way Williams talks in this piece sounds like player level trash talking, not the way an executive should talk. Doug haven’t you ever heard the old adage you “dress for the job you want, not the one you have”? It applies to how you should act as well.

]]> By: outsiderj http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971876 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:15:21 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971876 Do the Bucs even have a white guy on their team besides the kicker/snapper/holder?

Wahhhh the white man is holding me down wahhhhh.

How many asian coaches are there?

]]> By: chocopoppy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971870 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:11:39 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971870 What makes Doug think that just because he’s a fomer player that he has the qualifications to be a GM?

]]> By: nfl4ever http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971860 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:03:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971860 Doug has been whining about something since he came in the league in 1978.

]]> By: pizzon http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971845 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:47:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971845 just because you won a super bowl and coached a college program for a few yrs, does that qualify one to be a general manager of a professional sports franchise? I do think there is some discrimination that goes on and that is everywhere I believe to some extent, but also I dont believe in just handing somebody a position like that just because of his or her skin color. whether you want to see it or not that also is a form of discrimination or reverse discrimination. personally in the last 20 yrs the NFL has come a long way in promoting minorities to prominent positions where they have had success, but that to me doesnt automatically mean they are qualified to run an entire organization. that is totally a different animal.

]]> By: 11inthebox http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971844 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:46:14 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971844 @ lotusfather who says:

Every time I see this guys name it has something to do with race… Hell this guy was on the cover of a racist video game (Black College Football Experience – The Doug Williams Edition).
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Wow. That’s taking ignorance to a whole nother level. Williams never says race was an issue. The “fraternity” to which he alludes refers to guys who never played, or got their hands dirty.” He doesn’t say white men, but sure, its safe to assume that most front office guys, like most decision makers, in most business are white guys.

But how is black college football racist? For that matter how is anything black only racist? Black folks account for just 13% of the population. If people like you don’t want anything to do with black folks, you can avoid them all together. And I’m guessing that you do just that. And should you do that, don’t worry, I’m sure you wouldnt be missed.

]]> By: gotitan http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971828 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:36:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971828 There isn’t enough white people in the NBA. I don’t think that is fair either. I got game, why doesn’t anyone give me a shot??

]]> By: jsavage58 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971813 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:16:27 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971813 Along with the attempt to gut my wallet by owners, I watch less sports in general because of the constant reference to racism. I’m sick of it. I am not going to sit here and point out the perceived inequities. Just turn on your TV and you can see there is a very fair representation of black men in all positions of the NFL.
Players, Coaches, Asst Coaches, SB winning coaches, etc Whatever.

And the thing that kills me, is I don’t care who is who. I enjoy watching anybody play until someone starts saying “oh look at me, i’m black and blah blah…….” Its then I turn the TV off and go find something else. I check in to PFT to find out whats what, but the older I get, the less I need it.

]]> By: chapnastier http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971812 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:15:44 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971812 I wish I could blame my lack of success (if I had any HA!) on my skin color.

]]> By: famucancer http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971802 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:57:41 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971802 The media and the front offices are all run by the good ole boy network that caters to the inferior awm complex that is rampant in the good ole usa.

]]> By: xtb3 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971800 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:54:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971800 on this very site there was a post about “the coaching clique”! and look who is in that old boys clique!

]]> By: phinheads http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971784 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:32:20 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971784 What a turd.

]]> By: blackqbwhiterb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971774 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:14:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971774 Hey Doug, you need to speak like you learned more than 3rd f***ing grade English if you want to be a business exec in the NFL or anywhere else.
There will be more black GM’s in the NFL when there are more qualified black candidates. The only “Color” in the NFL is green- as in $$$$$. They’ll pay whomever gets results.
Like George Preston Marshall said- “I’ll hire some black football players when the Harlem Globetrotters hire some white basketball players.”

]]> By: bigbluefan1 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971752 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:47:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971752 We all know how well it worked having a former player as GM for the Lions

Last time I checked the golden rule applies
If you have the gold you make the rules

And if your a Minority and 5 of 32 are Minority then I guess Minorites hold fewer jobs the the majority race

]]> By: brasho http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971748 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:40:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971748 Part of being a GM is about being able to balance talent evaluation with sound fiscal business decisions, another part is being the face of a franchise. And just like no NFL team would want somebody that sounds like a complete moron like Roethlisberger, Bradshaw, and others, Doug Williams is not nearly articulate enough to allow anybody to have confidence in his intelligence.

To further prove my point, the youtube video above is a great example of why Williams shouldn’t be allowed near a GM position. Considering he was wearing a Bucs outfit at the time of the video, it wouldn’t be surprising that the Bucs didn’t renew his contract last year because of it.

]]> By: unbelieverjb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971747 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:39:04 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971747 Gee, Doug, could it be because you have the communications skills of a grapefruit? Take some of those NFL bucks, and get some diction lessons. I could never understand a word you were saying.

]]> By: daddyb1gdrawz http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/doug-williams-says-good-ol-boy-network-is-alive-and-well-in-front-office/#comment-971739 Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:23:06 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=112731#comment-971739 I tend to roll my eyes when ex-minority NFL players complain about the “good ole boy network” as it relates to the NFL. As he ever did an self-examination and asked himself why he wasnt being considered? You dont become a GM just because a select few people know your name. As a minority, I am getting sick and tired of fellow minority throwing out the race card when they arent qualified for jobs. Look at the work place Doug, most positions are filled through referrals i.e “the good ole boy network”.

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