Comments on: Decertification would end union regulation of agents http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Sun, 19 May 2013 16:32:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: edgy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-985747 Tue, 08 Mar 2011 19:00:05 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-985747 Deb, too many people aren’t old enough to remember how it used to be and many of the young ones just assume that the players are the greedy bastards. Many of them can’t even fathom a time when there was no free agency or when players got far less of the pie or had to buy their own equipment or had no benefits or health insurance or when an owner would give a player a “bonus” and it turned out to be a loan at higher interest than he could have gotten out on the streets. Yeah, the owners are a bunch of wonderful men to back in this deal. :)

]]> By: Deb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-983134 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 20:35:45 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-983134 First, silverdeer, the players weren’t the ones who launched this battle for a bigger piece of the pie. They were content with the CBA everyone signed a couple of years ago. The owners were the ones who wanted to throw out the agreement because they want a bigger piece of the pie.

Second, I see scoobyfly is trying to feel like a big man by assuring himself his equipment … I mean, IQ … is bigger than that of the average NFL player. But it wouldn’t matter if players were Einsteins. They still couldn’t trust the league to act ethically in negotiations–especially considering that the owners are now trying to throw out a standing CBA that doesn’t expire for two more years.

League history has demonstrated that players need agents, attorneys, and the NFLPA to represent their interests. Before those pieces were in place, they were used, abused, and tossed aside without a dime while the owners got rich on their efforts. Smart players have appropriate representation.

]]> By: silverdeer http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-983071 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:34:28 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-983071 I have an idea..Although it does have its obvious faults…If the players want to get a bigger piece of the pie. They would decertify, dump all of their agents and represent themselves. If you figure that the players wind up with, say $4B of a $9B dollar pie and you figure that they are paying agents and the union close to even 4% that puts an additional $160M back in the players pockets. Divide that by an approximate number of 60 players per team and you wind up with an average increase if $2.7M/player. Granted some are going to wind up with more than others…But it is a thought.

]]> By: skoobyfl http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-983019 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:29:15 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-983019 With a average player IQ of 101, I think the owner’s lawyers would have a field day with them.

]]> By: Deb http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-983007 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:21:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-983007 Mike, congrats on an excellent PFT Live yesterday.

Thanks to Cornwell, we now know the impact decertification could have on NCAA programs. I support decertification as countermeasure to a lockout. The tactic wouldn’t be a problem for the NCAA if it were illegal in every state for bloodsucking agents to prey on college kids. Perhaps this will convince attorneys general in states that haven’t addressed the issue to ensure agents who bribe kids are jailed and/or lose their licenses. It shouldn’t be up to unions to police corrupt business practices–that’s the responsibility of the state.

]]> By: PanchoHerreraFanClub http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982929 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:46:40 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982929 Free enterprise at its best!

]]> By: edgy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982925 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:42:22 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982925 prodigalpatriot71 says:

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I have to laugh that you call it a bush league tactic and then say you miss Upshaw when he was the one who pushed decertification.

]]> By: laeaglefan http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982893 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:14:08 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982893 These are all supposedly intelligent and successful men who are involved in this negotiation. I’m sure that they can all see that a lockout/decertification is in no one’s best interest. Which is why, I imagine, that they’ve agreed to continue talks…..hopefully until they come to a resolution. Whether its a day, a week or a month, they should continue to meet until they have a new CBA. Any other course of action will be devastating to everyone involved, including the fans.
Even if this goes until April 1st there will still be enough time to have free agency before the draft, and therefore retain the normal balance of things in the NFL.

]]> By: CKL http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982890 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:11:07 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982890 More reason (besides their hating the idea of rookie pay scale) for agents to want decertification. Sigh.
PFT has done the best job of anywhere I know of covering all the nooks and crannies of these issues, even the obscure ones. I just wish it weren’t necessary.

]]> By: flboyindallas http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982878 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:56:19 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982878 prodigalpatriot71 says: Mar 5, 2011 8:30 AM

I’m not picking ANY sides, but if the union decertifies, they shouldn’t be allowed to re-form for quite a while, if ever. I don’t care what ANYONE else says…it’s a bush league tactic. I miss Gene Upshaw (RIP)…..

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Hey genius…Gene Upshaw is the one who invented the decertify-for-leverage tactic.

]]> By: Mike Florio http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982877 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:50:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982877 @prodigalpatriot71 . . . Upshaw is the guy who came up with what you’re calling a “bush league tactic.”

]]> By: largent80 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982875 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:46:39 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982875 Without the union, agents would roam free, unfettered by rules, restrictions or codes of conduct. Sort of like the Bengals 53-man roster.

]]> By: jc1958cool http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982860 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:19:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982860 using a lockout isn’t leverage ! what the owners do is ok what the players do is wrong, just ask goodell (a.k.a.) pinnochio!

]]> By: rpm0591 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982852 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:08:54 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982852 Can you just get on with this and come to an agreement please! I want some damn football this year and I want free agency! Stop all this and work it out for the fans. You know the peaple who actually give you all your money.

]]> By: jimr10 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982851 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 14:07:19 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982851 I guess that is one way to get rid of the blood suckers.

]]> By: lgbarn http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982841 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:54:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982841 So the owners don’t use bush league tactics like locking the doors? To say you are not picking sides and then bust on the players sounds to me like picking a side.

Bottom line is that this is business and the players don’t have very many tools in their bag so they are trying everything that they can to not get run over by the owners.

People forget that before 1987, the players were treated horribly by the owners. Some were even blackballed. While I won’t cry for players getting paid millions for playing a game that I love, lets not pretend that the owners are the victims either.

]]> By: prodigalpatriot71 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/05/decertification-would-end-union-regulation-of-agents/#comment-982830 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:30:19 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=115301#comment-982830 I’m not picking ANY sides, but if the union decertifies, they shouldn’t be allowed to re-form for quite a while, if ever. I don’t care what ANYONE else says…it’s a bush league tactic. I miss Gene Upshaw (RIP)…..

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