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Union says no to 18 games

DeMaurice Smith

Though it’s unclear whether the NFLPA continues to posture on the issue in the hopes of getting the best financial deal possible, the union’s position on an expanded season is getting more and more clear.

In late January, NFLPA president Kevin Mawae said he “can’t sell” an 18-game season to his constituents.  At a time when a feeling had emerged that the union would acknowledge the pie-growing benefits of two more regular-season games, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith says that expanding the season from 16 to 18 games won’t happen.

Speaking at the union’s Washington offices during an event arranged jointly with 106.7 the Fan, Smith was “categorical” that the union won’t agree to the change, according to Jim Trotter of SI.com.

“First of all, the league has never presented a formal proposal for 18 games,” Smith said.  “But more importantly, it’s something that our players don’t want.  Eighteen games is not in the best interest of our players’ safety, so we’re not doing it.”

Even if Smith is merely posturing, it will now be difficult for him to backtrack at a later date.  It will be just as difficult for Commissioner Roger Goodell to stick with a four-game preseason after trashing consistently the quality of the games and expressing a strong desire to cut the full-price exhibition season in half.

Of course, after the union decertifies, the league will be able to play as many games as it wants to play.  Barring a major reversal, decertification and litigation is where we’re headed.

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74 Responses to “Union says no to 18 games”
  1. bluefan204 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:31 PM

    Good. Leave well enough alone. The only one who wants it is Goodell, and thats only because he wants to line the pockets of the NFL just a little bit more.

  2. ravensfreak00 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:31 PM

    Glad to hear it.

  3. scytherius says: Mar 9, 2011 8:32 PM

    Thank God. The only thing that would destroy the League more than 18 game seasons would be the elimination of revenue sharing.

  4. smellmyface says: Mar 9, 2011 8:33 PM

    If the players dont like it they dont have to play football, They got that free degree they can use that and work like the rest of us.

    Do they complain when they play 18 on the way to the SB? All you hear from players that dont make the playoffs say is they wish they were still playing.

  5. txchief says: Mar 9, 2011 8:34 PM

    Well, I guess if the union won’t agree to an 18 game schedule, The NFL shouldn’t charge the season ticket holders for the games and the players shouldn’t get paid for playing sham games. The players need to view their job as full time employment and show up for the season in peak shape and knowing the playbook forward and backward. Otherwise, they should be cut and banned from the league for laziness and incompetence. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD.

  6. jaggedmark says: Mar 9, 2011 8:34 PM

    Can you figure out how to start dropping Brett Favre’s name in these CBA stories? That way we can become “completely” sick of them.

  7. cassrangers says: Mar 9, 2011 8:35 PM

    C’mon guys… 4 preseason games is a wash!!!! Cut it to 2 and play 18!! …. of course as much as they wanna talk about wear and tear on the body, its surely a money issue :) Lets not kid ourselves

  8. mick730 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:36 PM

    Nixing the 18 game idea is the only thing upon which I agree with the NFLPA.

  9. leviticus268 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:37 PM

    Hello lockout!

  10. heyzeus143 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:38 PM

    good

  11. obxastronaut says: Mar 9, 2011 8:39 PM

    I say no too.

  12. beastofeden says: Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM

    If the players want more money they need to play more games.

    If i want more money at work, i must worker harder and perhaps longer hours.

  13. ipeefreelyagain says: Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM

    Finally. After all this time believing a deal was imminent, it’s good to know that litigation and decertification is is where we’re headed.

  14. upperdecker19 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:43 PM

    What’s the difference between 16 regular season games at full price and 4 preseason games at full price as compared to 18 games at full price and 2 preseason games at full price? Is my math wrong, of are the owner’s grossing the same amount of money either way?????

  15. brownsfn says: Mar 9, 2011 8:43 PM

    Good…ya know what I am getting sick of this crap…either get a deal done NOW or decertify, lockout, strike or whatever you wanna do…Its getting old really fast…

  16. berniemadoffsides says: Mar 9, 2011 8:43 PM

    I love how Goodell insists the fans wants 18 games. No we don’t. Teams limp into the playoffs as it is – who wants poor quality playoffs? No one does.

    16 is already too many games – 18 would be overkill. That’s it and that’s all!

  17. broncfanor says: Mar 9, 2011 8:44 PM

    Wow, so now it’s just a forgone conclusion no agreement will be made based on them not wanting a 18 game season?

  18. iknowfootballandyoudont says: Mar 9, 2011 8:46 PM

    DE CERTIFY!
    please do it!!!!!!!!

  19. terrellblowens says: Mar 9, 2011 8:50 PM

    Good. Now Goodell can shut up and stop trying to sell this crappy idea. 5 fans, who apparently speak for all of us according to the Commish, want an 18 game season

  20. rpiotr01 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:54 PM

    Good. That’s something everyone can agree on.

  21. 3octaveFart says: Mar 9, 2011 8:54 PM

    It was a bluff from the get-go.
    Just a maneuver from the league they knew would be rejected so they could point their finger at the NFLPA and holler “See? They won’t negotiate!”

  22. jcdurden88 says: Mar 9, 2011 8:58 PM

    nobody wants 18 games

  23. 3octaveFart says: Mar 9, 2011 9:04 PM

    beastofeden says: Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM

    “If the players want more money they need to play more games.”

    The players don’t want more money.
    Geezus, I can’t believe how many people here still don’t know this…

  24. zn0rseman says: Mar 9, 2011 9:09 PM

    Bah! Unions had their place 50 years ago but they are nothing but destructive to business in this day and age. The 18 game season, like it or not, is good for the NFL (more revenue), good for the fans (more football), good for the players (more game checks), good for on the bubble players (expanded rosters means more players will get a shot) and good for the union (more union members). But the union, like most unions, is corrupt and short-sighted, not looking beyond the egos of the current regime (who doesnt want to look like they are weak) and the wallets of it’s most senior members (all of whom are at the tail end of their careers and wouldn’t hold up well to an expanded season).

  25. joecoz17 says: Mar 9, 2011 9:22 PM

    add another round to the playoffs instead, still grows the pie, and not every team would have to play it every year.

    win-win

  26. shawon0meter says: Mar 9, 2011 9:28 PM

    I love how Joe Cubicle and Bob Dockworker are trying to compare their jobs to the NFL.

  27. awdlmd says: Mar 9, 2011 9:33 PM

    There would still be 4 meaningless games in an 18 game season. The extra 2 would just come at the end of the regular season.

  28. bradwins says: Mar 9, 2011 9:37 PM

    This was never a legitimate issue to begin with. The owners only introduced the idea so they could later relent on it as a “concession” in exchange for something they actually do want from the players.

    Unlike a rookie wage scale and a fair split of the league’s revenue, an 18 game season has absolutely zero popular support and is a categorically stupid idea.

  29. commandercornpone says: Mar 9, 2011 9:41 PM

    hell i do. i bet on games.

    let them decert. the agreement will be totally dead then, back to the old days.

    and both sides go judge-shopping. duh has been werkin hard at that already!

  30. tdbragg says: Mar 9, 2011 9:43 PM

    This is a very simple fix . First , eliminate two preseason games completely . Four preseason games is a joke and the fans and veteran players couldnt care less about them . The college teams have never had preseason games and has it hurt them ? Secondly , add one extra regular season game to the schedule making it a seventeen game schedule . In the end , the players are playing one less game and the owners and fans are getting one extra game that actually means something . It a win win for both sides .

  31. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Mar 9, 2011 9:44 PM

    Recall NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith’s promise to NFL fans: “We’re not going to let you down.” Please keep that in mind in the event the NFLPA elects to decertify by week’s end.

  32. iknowfootballandyoudont says: Mar 9, 2011 9:49 PM

    jcdurden88 says:
    Mar 9, 2011 8:58 PM
    nobody wants 18 games

    ****************

    Hey Brainiac.
    The season is already 20 (TWENTY) games long.
    The leagues proposal is STILL for a TWENTY game game season. Only difference is eliminating 2 worthless preseason games and subsituting them for 2 regular season gqames.
    I want 18 REGULAR season games !

  33. scytherius says: Mar 9, 2011 9:51 PM

    It is amusing that a small handful of you think that getting the s*** beat out of you by people that are 6’4″, 260 lbs, and can run faster than your high school track champion, in a job that typically lasts only three years, is somehow akin to you working a few more hours behind your desk.

    “Let ‘em work harder. I have to.”

    You few are a particular brand of “stupid”.

  34. cengelman93 says: Mar 9, 2011 9:56 PM

    No one will agree with me on this board, but I would rather see 18 games and 2 preseason games then the current format.

    For one, it would be great to see the schedule pushed back two weeks in January and see some more classic snow games.

    Second – yeah some teams will be coasting into the playoffs during the extra games (they probably said the same thing when they went from 14 to 16), it could make for more interesting finishes – I would have enjoyed watching Tampa Bay push to the playoffs in 2 more games this past season.

  35. jhorton83 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:00 PM

    I have no idea why Goodell and the owners keep pushing this. Oh wait, I do. It’s about money of course. Despite what Goodell claims, the fans don’t want it. Every poll I’ve seen about an 18 game season usually has around 75% of fans against it.

  36. diditforthelulz1 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:09 PM

    beastofeden says: Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM

    If the players want more money they need to play more games.

    If i want more money at work, i must worker harder and perhaps longer hours.

    —————————————————-
    Uh you’re absolutely retarded as the players aren’t actually asking for more money; they’ve actually offered to take less than they’re getting right now.

  37. diditforthelulz1 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:12 PM

    I love these people who act like an insolent child, boldly proclaiming they’ll have nothing to do with the sport if there is a lockout/strike. If there is no football this year so be it. It’ll be mildly disappointing but I’ll find other things to do and once football is back I’ll go right back to watching it. I call this a “lack of entitlement complex”.

  38. tfbuckfutter says: Mar 9, 2011 10:17 PM

    While the fans and players are SAYING “No, we definitely don’t want 18 games” what Roger Goodell is HEARING is “We definitely want 18 games and you’re handsome and the best commissioner ever.”

    Ben Roethlisberger has a similar type of hearing ailment.

  39. thefiesty1 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:19 PM

    Still cut two preseason “exhibition” games that are meaningless and still charge fans to attend likema real game. No one needs to watch a bunch of third or fourth stringers that MAY make the taxi squad.

    They certainly wouldn’t want to infringe on a meaningless baseball season.

  40. crusty14 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:34 PM

    Hi all … A Canadian here, Steeler fan and a cfl fan.granted the cfl doesn’t have the quality and elite players the NFL has, but , the cfl has been doing a 18 game reg. Season and 2 preseasons for a few years now. Perhaps the league and the union could look at stats from the Canadian league and figure out if the 18 game season is a worthwhile venture?

    I love all football and just want the damn season to go on as scheduled!

  41. lance19 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:35 PM

    An 18 game schedule will make a bad injury situation even worse.

    Anyone else thinking 18 games may just be a bargaining chip created by the owners, intended to be traded away for better financial terms on the rest of the deal?

  42. anthonyfromstatenisland says: Mar 9, 2011 10:50 PM

    If there isn’t 18 games, I’m finished with the NFL. I’d rather follow the UFC anyway.

  43. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 10:51 PM

    “If the players dont like it they dont have to play football, They got that free degree they can use that and work like the rest of us. ”

    Said the man who whines and moans and takes an extra “sick day” whenever he has to stay past 5:10 pm.

    Get over yourself.

    They have unique skills, you can be replaced by anyone off a boat with 3 weeks of training – maybe that person comes from rural Mexico or an educated region in Germany, but at the end of the day, you aren’t all that special. Your a cog in the wheel. Like most of us.

    If you had unique skills you’d have some leverage over your lot in life. Can you not understand that?

    I am really tired of hearing middle management ham and eggers equating their situation with these players. It’s simply ignorant.

  44. evilmajortom says: Mar 9, 2011 10:52 PM

    Why don’t they just play four games with scabs and not have them count towards wins and losses. It could be fun. Oh, wait . . .

  45. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 10:57 PM

    “Only difference is eliminating 2 worthless preseason games and subsituting them for 2 regular season gqames.”

    Hey, Braniac.

    None of those star players actually play in those games. So it is a big deal.

    Oh, and no one is forcing you to buy season tix. But, if you MAKE THAT DECISION, the owners do in fact force you to buy meaningless pre-season games.

    Isn’t it convenient? That the owners created this ‘problem’ – of MAKING you buy preseason tix (after you, of course, CHOSE to buy seasons) that they make money off of – and find an ideal solution that makes them even richer?

    Stop being a baby, you CHOOSE to buy tickets to meaningless preseason games. Don’t like it? Don’t buy the tickets. Honestly, we’re going to ruin the league so that you get more value from your investment for 2 games?

  46. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 10:58 PM

    “If i want more money at work, i must worker harder and perhaps longer hours.”

    In most industries the ‘stars’ work less hours and their jobs get easier.

  47. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 11:02 PM

    “What’s the difference between 16 regular season games at full price and 4 preseason games at full price as compared to 18 games at full price and 2 preseason games at full price? Is my math wrong, of are the owner’s grossing the same amount of money either way?????”

    TV money would increase dramatically. Preseason does a 3.0 and real games do a 15.0. You increase the ad rate by 400% (likely more) for every single spot that runs over those two weeks.

    It’s all about TV and merchandising, the actual gameday ticket sales are a small drop in the bucket.

  48. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 11:04 PM

    “The players need to view their job as full time employment and show up for the season in peak shape and knowing the playbook forward and backward. Otherwise, they should be cut and banned from the league for laziness and incompetence. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD.”

    But it ins’t the real world. So stop it, that statement was nonsense.

    How did this approach work with Haynesworth? Owens?

  49. moochzilla says: Mar 9, 2011 11:08 PM

    PS – one of the biggest, unsolve-able issues of recent years has been the fact that weeks 14-16 are rife with meaningless games in which the marquee franchises rest their stars.

    So we’re going to add 2 more games to the end? Really?

  50. cameran0804 says: Mar 9, 2011 11:28 PM

    As a hard core football fan, i would love to see 2 more games a year, but i think its funny how the NFL is all about saftey as they should be, but has no problem seeing these guys playing hurt in 2 extra regular season games!! Goodell is a idiot

  51. randomjim says: Mar 9, 2011 11:42 PM

    16 game season works great.
    6 games in div.
    4 games opposite conference/1 div.
    4 games same conference / 1 div.
    2 remaining games same conference/ same ranking
    in the remaining conferences (You know what I mean)
    Works out perfectly!!!

  52. aaronitout12 says: Mar 9, 2011 11:46 PM

    If it’s not broke, DON’T FIX IT!!!

    NFL has been “the king” for a reason!!!

  53. jpmelon says: Mar 9, 2011 11:50 PM

    season ticket holders want an 18 game season….18 is better than 16 and the preseason sucks.

  54. cleanface says: Mar 10, 2011 12:04 AM

    I’d like to come in an mediate if possible. I have no formal qualifications other than knowing blowing a business with $9 billion in annual revenues is probably not a good idea.

    17 regular season games – one being a neutral site game that would allow the NFL to provide football to locations where the people who wouldn’t normally have an opportunity to go.

    1 additional bye week and 1 less preseason game as a concession to the players.

    So, in summary, 2 more weeks of TV revenue with the additional bye (19 week regular season), one less preseason game where season ticket holders get screwed in games in untapped domestic markets.

  55. footballfan292 says: Mar 10, 2011 12:12 AM

    Yet people in here will cry about having to pay for those pre-season games.

    If you think the owners would reduce the cost for those games…forget about it. That will NEVER ever happen. Converting those two games to regular season games was the best deal the fan was going to get. Now you will be paying full price for those games.

  56. msclemons67 says: Mar 10, 2011 12:15 AM

    “diditforthelulz1 says: Mar 9, 2011 10:12 PM

    I love these people who act like an insolent child, boldly proclaiming they’ll have nothing to do with the sport if there is a lockout/strike. If there is no football this year so be it. It’ll be mildly disappointing but I’ll find other things to do and once football is back I’ll go right back to watching it. I call this a “lack of entitlement complex”.”
    ———————————————————
    I haven’t watched one inning of baseball since the 1994 strike. I’ll have no problem walking away from the NFL if these greedy millionaires and billionaires can’t get their collective act together.

    But you just go on with your “lay there and enjoy it” complex.

  57. lovechildofajsmith says: Mar 10, 2011 12:54 AM

    yeah, because if the owners really wanna play HARDBALL they have a chance at losing. Gimme a break. Ultimately, NFL Owners are BILLIONAIRES who have made money in numerous other businesss ventures. 30% of the NFLPA lives paycheck to paycheck & way beyond their means because they’re trying to “keep it real”…and then there are numerous cancers of society like Antonio Cromartie who owe money to 10 baby mamas. If the owners truly want to get over on the union just have these guys start missing out on game checks…..you will find out how “strong” their stance is on an 18 game schedule real quick. And that is the TRUTH. It might ruin the sport…but anybody who thinks the owners aren’t holding ALL of the cards is delusional. If they truly want the 18 game schedule they will get the 18 game schedule.

  58. cappa662 says: Mar 10, 2011 12:57 AM

    16 games is too much IMO. 18 games would be complete overload. At 16 games, most of the teams are already determined. And you have the good teams (Pats, Colts, and etc) every year resting guys weeks 15, 16 and 17.

  59. db105 says: Mar 10, 2011 4:20 AM

    As a season ticket holder I hope the NFL eliminates at least 2 preseason games. Rather see a 16 game season but if an 18 game season eliminates a couple preseason games then I’m for it.

  60. gbsparks says: Mar 10, 2011 5:14 AM

    beastofeden says: Mar 9, 2011 8:41 PM

    “If the players want more money they need to play more games.”

    “If i want more money at work, i must worker harder and perhaps longer hours.”

    How about learning to do your job better?

    How about becoming better at what you do in order to advance? Unless, of course, you’re stuck in a dead end job.

    Especially in that case, more education will help dig you out of that hole.

    Athletes can advance based on becoming more knowledgeable or increasing their physical capabilities or both.

    That’s called putting time into the job.

    You should put more time into your job and do something about your situation, whether it’s to keep the current job or find a better one, rather than complain about someone else.

  61. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 8:10 AM

    I think that labor unions time has come and gone and not they are mostly a pain in the arse that have been responsible for sending hundreds of thousands of former good paying American jobs overseas, as companies just don’t want the headache of dealing with unions. I’m certainly not pro “spoiled billion dollar owner” on this issue either, but if the union won’t agree to an 18 game regular season, then if I’m the owners I find the biggest padlocks money can buy in order to symbolically lock down all NFL facilities and stadiums until a new CBA is agreed upon as well as take out billboards to remind union members to be sure to pay their (high), COBRA medical insurance!

  62. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 8:14 AM

    Dan Patrick has the right solution for an 18 game regular season: 1) Permanently expand game day rosters by at least 5 players; and 2) Require that all players can only suit up for 16 of the 18 regular season games. The latter has one major drawback though, and that’s that the top teams would sit out there top players while playing the bottom feeders of the league, which in turn would likely hurt those teams home attendance/gate. Still something worth considering, because it would give guys who otherwise have to wait for an IR injury to get a shot to get some game day experience and show what they’ve got.

  63. PanchoHerreraFanClub says: Mar 10, 2011 8:24 AM

    Mike, why don’t you come right out and say that 18 games is a crazy idea. When the union decertifies and the NFL owners put in the 18 game schedule watch out! Without the union, the owners shoulder ALL the responsibility for health and safety issue instead of a joint agreement with union. Does an 18 game schedule create a more hazardous workplace than a 16 game schedule? You bettcha. Will it cost the owners more money in court? You bettcha. Greedy men often do foolish things. Jerry are you listening?

  64. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 9:14 AM

    18 games isn’t a crazy idea, because as a past NFL season ticket holder I can tell you that four totally useless, meaningless exhibition games that season ticket holders are ripped off for at full price just doesn’t cut it either.

  65. brutus9448 says: Mar 10, 2011 9:17 AM

    I for one would love 18 regular season and 2 pre season games.

  66. moochzilla says: Mar 10, 2011 9:43 AM

    Want “more football”?

    Buy Madden for PS3 or XBox.

    Buy 12 pack of beer.

    Spend 8 hours doing that for each of 2 preseason weekends.

    Or, you could just ruin the league.

    Your choice.

  67. moochzilla says: Mar 10, 2011 9:46 AM

    “2) Require that all players can only suit up for 16 of the 18 regular season games.”

    Oh, and it destroys fantasy football, the league’s #2 marketing asset behind gambling.

  68. moochzilla says: Mar 10, 2011 9:48 AM

    “18 games isn’t a crazy idea, because as a past NFL season ticket holder I can tell you that four totally useless, meaningless exhibition games that season ticket holders are ripped off for at full price just doesn’t cut it either.”

    But you chose to pay for them, right?

    Don’t want to get ripped off by the owners, don’t buy season tickets.

    How is that the player’s fault that the OWNERS forced you to pay full price for those tickets?

  69. moochzilla says: Mar 10, 2011 9:56 AM

    “I think that labor unions time has come and gone and not they are mostly a pain in the arse that have been responsible for sending hundreds of thousands of former good paying American jobs overseas, as companies just don’t want the headache of dealing with unions. ”

    Super-duper untrue and baseless statement there.

    Jobs moved overseas because most Americans demand the LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE. Therefore, costs of all inputs needed to be drastically reduced, inclusive of labor.

    An American worker will NEVER be able to compete $-wise with what a Chinese or Indian laborer makes, just as they can’t compete with what a Mexican illegal immigrant.

    This isn’t about the UAW worker in Detroit accepting a paycut fron $60k to $45k and making some concessions on benefits.

    To compete dollar-wise with SE Asian labor they’d need to cut back to $5,000.

    It’s a global economy. That’s the reason for job losses – cheap labor overseas. Because we aren’t losing jobs to Germany or France are we?

    Want to have a talk about union problems and issues, have at it. Just don’t make stuff up without even basic economics or facts to back it up. Fair?

  70. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 9:59 AM

    Moochzilla: Ah, but I DID finally cancel my NFL season tickets in protest over being totally ripped off for valueless (you can’t even give the tickets away), pre-season games and ridiculous rising parking prices ($25/game? no thanks!). The players though would make a lot more money with an 18 game regular season, because they are only paid fixed slave wages for pre-season games.

  71. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 10:01 AM

    No offense, but anyone who wastes their time on fantasy sports of any kind either has way too much time on their hands, has to grow up and/or get a life. Fantasy football shouldn’t even enter into this conversation, as it’s all make believe anyways.

  72. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 10:03 AM

    It’s not that I want 2 more regular season games because I want more football, it’s just that I just want the farcical pre-season games to go away like a bad fart on a hot day in the middle of Sunday services in church!

  73. moochzilla says: Mar 10, 2011 10:12 AM

    Purdue – and that’s why you can hold your head up high. When PSL’s came, I got out.

    What you ignore is that the player’s aren’t asking for more money….the owners are. So the 2 extra games aren’t worth it to them, which seems clear since they are fighting it.

    Salaries in the NFL are determined by the FREE MARKET, right? I thought we loved the free market. Can’t pay a guy, some other team will. Can’t afford the #1 overall pick, trade it! Player asks for too much, no one will sign him and his asking price comes down.

    Capitalism. Pure capitalism.

    This lockout, IMO, is all because Jerry Jones built a white elephant that he couldn’t sell naming rights to for $100M. He took it on the chin, now he wants to get that investment back. And he dragged along the loser (Carolina) and hapless (Jacksonville) owners along.

  74. purdueman says: Mar 10, 2011 10:46 AM

    “moochzilla says:
    Mar 10, 2011 10:12 AM
    Purdue – and that’s why you can hold your head up high. When PSL’s came, I got out.

    What you ignore is that the player’s aren’t asking for more money….the owners are. So the 2 extra games aren’t worth it to them, which seems clear since they are fighting it.

    Salaries in the NFL are determined by the FREE MARKET, right? I thought we loved the free market. Can’t pay a guy, some other team will. Can’t afford the #1 overall pick, trade it! Player asks for too much, no one will sign him and his asking price comes down.

    Capitalism. Pure capitalism.

    This lockout, IMO, is all because Jerry Jones built a white elephant that he couldn’t sell naming rights to for $100M. He took it on the chin, now he wants to get that investment back. And he dragged along the loser (Carolina) and hapless (Jacksonville) owners along.”
    **********************************
    PSL’s are another form of total rip-off, mainly aimed at bilking corporations with a smaller percentage of loyal long term season ticket holders getting screwed in the process.

    Consider this though… I converted to being primarily a collegiate football fan when the NFL signed their last TV contract whcih made the number of commercials absurd.

    2:20 to go in the half. Team A punts; 3 minute TV time out. 1 play later? 2 minute warning and 3 more minutes of commercials.

    Team B can’t move the ball and punts. 3 more minutes of commercials. Team A drives down the field far enough to kick a field goal. 3 more minutes of commercials.

    Team A then kicks off to team B, and yup, you’ve got it! 3 more minutes of commercials. It seems as if the last 2:20 in a half in most NFL games drags out to at least a half an hour or more.

    Where the NFL laughs all the way to the bank is on tailgaters, otherwise known as middle aged men who don’t want to grow up. The tailgating craze if far more important than the actual game for many, just as getting gassed at neighborhood bars surrounding Wrigley Field is far more important to Cub fans than any baseball game itself.

    So the way I look at it now, with the three minute commercials and increasing number of indoor stadiums, fans are now in essence paying (and paying dearly), for the privilege of going into what amounts to a big TV studio to watch an NFL game live.

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