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Chris Cook busted for brandishing a handgun

Chris Cook, Joe Webb AP

The good news?  The lockout ended the league’s supervision of players who find trouble (or vice-versa) away from the field of play.

The bad news?  The authorities have not yet imposed a lockout.

According to WSET-TV (via the Daily Norseman), Cook was arrested Saturday for brandishing a handgun during a fight with another man.

It remains to be seen whether Cook will face any scrutiny from the league.  Whether the personal conduct policy applies during the lockout is something that will be negotiated between the NFL and the players in conjunction with the next labor deal.  Cook’s best move, in our view, would be to get the case resolved quickly, so that it also ends during the lockout.

Cook, the 34th pick in the 2010 draft and the second player selected in round two, was the first rookie added by the Vikings last year.

He’s the second Minnesota rookie from the 2010 draft to be arrested this offseason.  Defensive end Everson Griffen was arrested not once but twice, in a matter of days.

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  1. rovibe says: Mar 13, 2011 4:02 PM

    Idiot.

    I’m so sick of these clowns who think they are above the law. Throw his *** in jail and leave him there.

  2. jimmysee says: Mar 13, 2011 4:03 PM

    Vikings = Raiders east.

  3. msclemons67 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:03 PM

    Mr. Cook refuses to post bail until he sees the arresting officer’s financial records for the past 10 years.

  4. chief4ever says: Mar 13, 2011 4:04 PM

    Dumb a$$.

  5. hobartbaker says: Mar 13, 2011 4:07 PM

    Whatever happened to the “First thing I’m going to buy is a house for my Mom”, crew?
    Now it’s “First thing I’m going to buy is some serious heat, nobody **** with me now.”.

  6. saberstud75 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:09 PM

    These are the very players that are demanding more of our money for playing a game. I would like Chris Cook to open up his books so we can see how he spends his money.

    The ironic thing is that I am assuming that this occured in Minnesota and could potentially be tried in the same courtroom that will handle the litegation for the lockout.

    Let the lockout continue until all these clowns run out of money!

  7. luckywi says: Mar 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    Well as Viking fan, I have to say I am SHOCKED, that one their players was the first yo-yo to decide that the rules of league oversight are over, and he could do what he wants.

  8. esotericmindguy says: Mar 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    Can’t wait for the next 50 years of futility for this organization….it’s a great team to hate.

  9. Patriot42 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:12 PM

    This is normal for a lot of the players in the NFL and it is great that they can act naturally now with out the NFL bothering them.

  10. vetdana says: Mar 13, 2011 4:13 PM

    Total lunacy !!! Putting up major roadblocks in a career that has not even started !! Does anyone ever think before they act?

  11. profootballwalk says: Mar 13, 2011 4:15 PM

    I thought that once the union decertified, players couldn’t be arrested any more.

  12. hedleykow says: Mar 13, 2011 4:24 PM

    “Brandishing” sounds like something you would do in art class. It was fortunate for Cook that his exhibit was a one man show.

  13. lawyermalloy says: Mar 13, 2011 4:26 PM

    This is about the time in the off season the players start getting “antsy”. off season workouts sessions and mini camps seem to reel them in. Can you imagine what happens to these guys(the troublesome types) if there’s an extended lockout? oy!

  14. simm04 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:38 PM

    LOL was he on his was to do his rehab for all his injuries this football season.

  15. JimmySmith says: Mar 13, 2011 4:38 PM

    Is this the same guy that couldn’t cover his grandmother in a wheel chair? The guy seen on the bench bitching at his teammates in Col Klink’s last game.? Ya, he’s a real keeper. The Crips and the Bloods are going to love this guy once he moves out to LA.

    Its bad enough finishing in last place, its tough to see two of your higher draft picks arrested in the off season. Should have stayed home with Percy and got mellow off the organic green stuff. That way, he would have the MN state courts to protect him from the substance abuse policies of the NFL.

  16. terrellblowens says: Mar 13, 2011 4:39 PM

    I find it very impressive the the Vikings have basically 3 cornerbacks on their entire team. And now one of them got arrested

  17. boneyardbuc says: Mar 13, 2011 4:46 PM

    And the Bucs front office is accused of cutting corners on character???

    That’s two draft picks arrested and the dong-texter. Oh and let’s not forget Mr. Wine ‘em Dine ‘em 69 ‘em. Real class act you got up there Minnesota.

    Give me a break…

  18. bunjy96 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:48 PM

    So sayeth one of the most trusted of the owners.

  19. terpface says: Mar 13, 2011 4:49 PM

    I dont understand what your trying to prove by carrying a handgun with you everywhere. Stupid. Too gangster for his own good

    If you insist on fighting someone, man up and learn how to fight with your fists. Or is that just too old school?

  20. pfunk1 says: Mar 13, 2011 4:56 PM

    Disfunction at it’s finest. What next for this franchise…

  21. jamoe17 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:08 PM

    What is that now…2 of 30+ draft picks the Vikings have hit on since bringing in Spielman? And one of those (Rice) possible lost to free agency. I guess we won’t see any more favorable comparisons of Spielman to Ted Thompson…not that they were realistic to begin with.

  22. jc1958cool says: Mar 13, 2011 5:09 PM

    wow those purple mud ducks really got it going now!!!LMFAO

  23. txbearmeat says: Mar 13, 2011 5:09 PM

    Wait… a Minnesota Viqueen is in trouble with the law? Shocking! That NEVER happens.

    What. A. Classy. Franchise.

  24. schmitty2 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:10 PM

    Well at least the Vikes are in first place in the “Turd Watch” standings

  25. stavreafavre says: Mar 13, 2011 5:11 PM

    Something in the water at Winter Park, I’m thinking… The Minnesota Vikings are a fine organization with many fine fans and some exemplary players.

  26. rcgamble says: Mar 13, 2011 5:12 PM

    Just another example of a professional football player who can’t handle himself, money or fame. By the end of summer, we fans will be tired of an increase (maybe record numbers) of bad player behavior and judgment (what else will they have to do while locked out) and greedy bickering over money.

  27. scampbell1975 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:12 PM

    Hi, my name is Chris Cook and I’m a dumbass.

  28. mikemnz says: Mar 13, 2011 5:14 PM

    Build me a new stadium before I put a cap in your ask taxpayers of minnesota

  29. EJ says: Mar 13, 2011 5:18 PM

    Idiots.

  30. idolized1 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:20 PM

    I am once again embarrassed to be a Vikings fan…

  31. 44kyle says: Mar 13, 2011 5:20 PM

    What great timing! Stuff like this happening so often makes it hard to have much sympathy for the players in the labor dispute.

  32. treydogg97 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:25 PM

    The guy he was fighting with must’ve brought up how he repeatedly got torched last year.

    Good choice, Brad. Thanks for leaving us with a culture of accountability.

  33. edgeofepic says: Mar 13, 2011 5:25 PM

    This guy is a thief. That gun belongs to Brandon Merriwether.

  34. childressrulz says: Mar 13, 2011 5:26 PM

    nice work queens. this entire organization is in the crapper!

  35. gbfanforever says: Mar 13, 2011 5:28 PM

    Sounds like he should be hangin with Onterio Smith on a boat party

  36. SpartaChris says: Mar 13, 2011 5:30 PM

    I guess he’s taking the lack of a personal conduct policy to the limits!

  37. elrushbo2 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:30 PM

    Pretty soon they are going to have to change their name to the Minnesota Bengals.

  38. palinforpresidentofnorthkorea says: Mar 13, 2011 5:34 PM

    New career choice for this NFLPA* member?

  39. elrushbo2 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:39 PM

    This just in………Minnesota and Cincinnati are talking trade. Stay tuned.

  40. favrelous says: Mar 13, 2011 5:41 PM

    Thanks Chilly, your legacy lives on.

  41. tecmobowl34 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:43 PM

    SKOL!!!!!!

    go purple, what a bunch of wasted draft picks. they sure do know how to pick ‘em up der in Minney-sohtah

  42. dafixisin says: Mar 13, 2011 5:46 PM

    Minnesota might have a teensy backgrounding problems during their scouting process.

  43. commandercornpone says: Mar 13, 2011 5:58 PM

    turd watch rides again!

    now bring back taco bill.

  44. gargoyle10 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:58 PM

    Can’t that “Days without an arrest” go 30 ONCE, I mean just ONCE??

    The NFL is filled with criminals

  45. shieldsisland37 says: Mar 13, 2011 6:03 PM

    skol turdwatch skol!

  46. rcunningham says: Mar 13, 2011 6:14 PM

    In b4 ‘TYPICAL CRIMINAL VIKINGS HURR DURR”

  47. stellarperformance says: Mar 13, 2011 6:15 PM

    Bad Vikes…bad vikes…watcha gonna do…whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

  48. wildturkey1o1 says: Mar 13, 2011 6:25 PM

    Inner City Lynchburg is where he was busted,I stay away from there in the daytime,much less after dark.

  49. rcunningham says: Mar 13, 2011 6:27 PM

    tecmobowl34 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:43 PM

    SKOL!!!!!!

    go purple, what a bunch of wasted draft picks. they sure do know how to pick ‘em up der in Minney-sohtah

    I guess we do considering we picked two Rookie of the Years within three drafts…

    Tecmo Bowl was a sweet game though.

  50. rcunningham says: Mar 13, 2011 6:35 PM

    JimmySmith says: Mar 13, 2011 4:38 PM

    Is this the same guy that couldn’t cover his grandmother in a wheel chair? The guy seen on the bench bitching at his teammates in Col Klink’s last game.? Ya, he’s a real keeper. The Crips and the Bloods are going to love this guy once he out to LA.

    Its bad enough finishing in last place, its tough to see two of your higher draft picks arrested in the off season. Should have stayed home with Percy and got mellow off the organic green stuff. That way, he would have the MN state courts to protect him from the substance abuse policies of the NFL.

    Jimmy you are a complete and total pathetic loser. Do you have a life kid? You comment on EVERY Vikings article within minutes of them being up.

    You always have the same recycled jokes (criminals, interceptions, LA, 0 Super Bowls) and sound like an idiot every single time. Even your fellow Packer fans think you’re a moron.

    You don’t know crap about football, and you prove it everytime you post on here. Do us all a favor and go drink bleach

  51. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 13, 2011 6:37 PM

    Isn’t there a possibility he’ll be able to show reasonable cause for whippin his gat, yo? I mean why would anybody bothering carrying one to defend themselves if they’re not allowed to defend themselves with it?

    Not saying he does have reasonable causes to give, but in this country, we’re innocent until proven guilty.

    Even though he probably is guilty.

  52. meglasdad says: Mar 13, 2011 6:52 PM

    I bet this is why they just went to litigation instead of negotiating because they have much more experience in court rooms than the negotiating room.

  53. db105 says: Mar 13, 2011 7:12 PM

    Wouldn’t be a bad idea to let nature take it’s course.

  54. checker4024 says: Mar 13, 2011 7:23 PM

    Dude…………………Come on! Why is it so hard to stay out of trouble when these guys make it to the NFL. Players make more money than some of us fans will every see in our lifetime!!

    Hey Chris, why not “brandish” some talent and shut down wide receivers and stay healthy!?!

  55. ilpackerbacker says: Mar 13, 2011 7:36 PM

    He brandished a gun because he was jealous that pervyharvin retired at 35, son – fishes all day, and pervy wouldn’t let him into his Bingo tournament.

  56. khmer379 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:01 PM

    Chris need heat to cook cheeseburger lol in all seriousness it all brad children fault for not know how to scouting prospect character

  57. demo1984 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:16 PM

    I wonder if he had a permit for the gun, the story does not say if he was charged with illegal possesion of a firearm. If he owns it legally I would love to hear the whole story. Brandishing a firearm is waving or pointing a weapon in a way that threatens others. That is what he is charged with. If he did i to break up a fight and he legally owns the gun then I don’t really have a problem with it.
    If he was doing it just to act ike a bad ass with a gun then the guy is an idiot and the vikes should trade him to the Benagals for Carson Palmer not only would the Bengals take him with open arms Cook would fit in perfectly there.

  58. JimmySmith says: Mar 13, 2011 8:20 PM

    @ rcunningham

    Hey, I didn’t even mention 0 Superbowls or INT’s, you were the one that brought those up. But instead of name calling and personal attacks, why not stick to the facts; another MN Viking was arrested, another high draft pick that didn’t exactly light the world on fire and yet another lost season with Chris Cook shooting his mouth off after giving up a long TD in a game that the Vikings were simply crushed, crushed so bad that Klink was forced to pay for it with his scalp. (Maybe that just a bad choice of a word in the case of Childress)

    I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t even try to addess the subject matter of the article.

  59. flyboat44 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:23 PM

    Unbelievable

  60. kiefs85 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:26 PM

    Where is Pervy? I guess even he can only take so much. Yet another example the Vikings are classless losers. It is so great to be a fan of the best franchise in NFL history–go Pack!

  61. goombar2 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:28 PM

    Actually, much of what Jimmy says is spot on. Sometimes I don’t even post because he says exactly what I’m thinking. I find I have nothing more to really add.

    But this time is different… I’m surprised the vike fans don’t get on here and demand he get a raise or franchise tag, so that they can turn around and complain about players getting over payed. I mean, that is the typical stupidity out of viking fans.

  62. flipadelphia says: Mar 13, 2011 8:34 PM

    terpface says: Mar 13, 2011 4:49 PM

    I dont understand what your trying to prove by carrying a handgun with you everywhere. Stupid. Too gangster for his own good

    If you insist on fighting someone, man up and learn how to fight with your fists. Or is that just too old school?

    ———————————————

    Dumb. Nothing wrong with carrying a handgun with you as long as you have a license to do so.

    Stupid is pulling it out and waving it like a moron like this jackwagon did.

    It’s the whole gun’s kill people argument.

    Keep it up and I’m sure there’s a Czar of something meaningless position waiting for you in D.C.

  63. mick730 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:35 PM

    And some people wonder why the NFL owners DON”T consider these guys their “partners”?

    NFLPA: Get a clue.

  64. whatswiththehate says: Mar 13, 2011 8:40 PM

    It’s funny how some a quick to want to put “certain folks” in jail everytime they get in trouble but never seem to utter the word “jail” when their own do dumb ish…Hmmmm…Interesting

  65. hobartbaker says: Mar 13, 2011 8:54 PM

    On the seriousness scale, brandishing a gun falls somewhere between brandishing a sword and brandishing a severed head.

  66. brewdogg says: Mar 13, 2011 9:10 PM

    @jimmy and goombar

    I’ll take a team full of pistol-waving, consentual sex on a private boat, pot smoking, and whatever else you think is so horrible about Vikings players, over one guy who hops in the hot tub naked with the underage babysitter who he’s known since before she had breasts.

  67. sakatak says: Mar 13, 2011 9:12 PM

    Everson Griffen and Chris Cook = Dumb and Dumber

  68. prior0knowledge says: Mar 13, 2011 9:30 PM

    This is one of the reasons why I side with the owners. Most of these players are overpaid. The billionaire owners could probably make much more money investing in stocks, bonds or other businesses rather than professional sports. Then they could make more money and not have to put up with these prima donnas, half of which can’t stay out legal trouble.

  69. demo1984 says: Mar 13, 2011 9:36 PM

    Do any of you know what really happened ?? It tok place at 5:30 p.m. I carry a handgun with me quite often but I also have a concealed weapons permit. If I pull it our and point it at you and you are frightened and I then put it back in the holster that is brandishing a firearm.
    As for you cheesedick fans at least he wasnt in a hot tub with some teenage girls or growing a tail in his girlfriends closet, how about the packers own little love boat incident at clay mathews charity golf tournement at Lake Delton, where two women were sexually assaulted, how about Barnet getting arrested, Ahman Green was arrested for domestic violence, how about Johnny Ray Jolly being arrested with 200 grams of cocaine, Havner busted for DUI, Jenkins busted for weed, Sam Shields busted for pot, shall I go on ?
    Lets see Jenkins and Shields are pot heads, one TE likes little girls, Jolly is a coke head, Havner the drunk, Green beats his wife, Barnet fighting at clubs, another sexually assaulting women at a golf club, and the best of all Davenport taking a dump in a laundry basket.
    Real class acts in cheesehead land as well.

  70. stairwayto7 says: Mar 13, 2011 9:41 PM

    Not a Steeler so no suspension per Roger Goodell!

  71. JimmySmith says: Mar 13, 2011 10:30 PM

    Nice try demo1984, but the women at Lake Delton were prostitutes, (ah maybe your mother and her friend?) so sexual assult was just their little lie they made up. Havner was never busted for DUI and Sam Shields wasn’t arrested either.

    The point is, the Packers have won Superbowls so as much as you might like to think they have character issues, its only a problem when your franchise sucks and then it becomes a focal point.

  72. shadowgm1 says: Mar 13, 2011 10:38 PM

    I hate to admit it, but I am LOVING this.

    They just can’t seem to get things together.

  73. 1stngoal says: Mar 13, 2011 10:44 PM

    profootballwalk says: Mar 13, 2011 4:15 PM

    I thought that once the union decertified, players couldn’t be arrested any more.

    **********************************************

    …apparently Chris Cook thought the same thing!!! ;-)

  74. johnnyb216 says: Mar 13, 2011 11:13 PM

    Typical Viking scum.

  75. dcspeedway says: Mar 13, 2011 11:14 PM

    No morals.
    No respect.

  76. kyleortonsarm says: Mar 14, 2011 12:05 AM

    Well I guess since he isn’t aloud to speak with the Pittsburgh Steelers coaches about getting on the team he can act like one of the many criminals the Steelers employ to get their attention. Good for you.

  77. brewdogg says: Mar 14, 2011 12:58 AM

    JimmySmith says:
    Mar 13, 2011 10:30 PM
    Nice try demo1984, but the women at Lake Delton were prostitutes, (ah maybe your mother and her friend?) so sexual assult was just their little lie they made up. Havner was never busted for DUI and Sam Shields wasn’t arrested either.

    The point is, the Packers have won Superbowls so as much as you might like to think they have character issues, its only a problem when your franchise sucks and then it becomes a focal point.

    ——————————————-
    Spencer Havner arrested for DUI

    http://www.theunion.com/article/20100316/NEWS/100319806

    Sam Shields arrested for marijuana possession

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/19/1538249/former-university-of-miami-hurricanes.html

    And that was BEFORE they drafted him….

    Whoops. little jimmy looks dumb again…..

    And there is a difference between the Viking’s boat incident and the Packer’s sexual assault one…. The women the Vikings were playing with didn’t complain. But I’ll leave all the jokes involved in that alone.

    And now let’s move on to the part where all is forgiven because the Packers won the SB. Really? So when they decide to come over, bust down your door, break your fingers and destroy your computer for being an embarrassment to the normal Packer fans, it will be okay, because they won the SB? Well, strap your kneepads on then, you never know when they might come over.

  78. shaggytoodle says: Mar 14, 2011 12:59 AM

    Well its not going to take 3 years to figure out how the Vikings did with this pick, trade out of the first to a division rival so they can get one of the 3 most talented RBs in the draft, watch the team that beat you in the NFC championship game take the corner you want.

    And wind up with THIS guy.

  79. ticewasbetter says: Mar 14, 2011 1:05 AM

    What in the got dang wide wide world of sports?! Come on man.

    Cook, says he’s innocent and the man fabricated the story of the gun. Until charged otherwise I’ll believe him for now.

    Because Our Secondary Sucks… and we need anyone we can put in a lineup thats healthy and isn’t afraid to catch an interception, Hello Madieu Williams ala TCF Bank 2nd Qtr! What’re ya afraid to catch the damn ball?

  80. ticewasbetter says: Mar 14, 2011 1:07 AM

    Way to give the Packer hosiers more fodder, thanks. DumbAss.

  81. ticewasbetter says: Mar 14, 2011 1:10 AM

    Either way, somebody needs to put up the infamous ‘excuse me while i whip this out’ scene from Blazing Saddles in with this story. Ha!

  82. arnoldziffel says: Mar 14, 2011 1:34 AM

    “I’ll take a team full of pistol-waving, consentual sex on a private boat, pot smoking, and whatever else you think is so horrible about Vikings players, over one guy who hops in the hot tub naked with the underage babysitter who he’s known since before she had breasts.”
    ————————————————————————

    Well … okay brewdogg … you gottem’ …

    Of course … after Chumra had his escapade … he never played for the Packers again. Will we be able to say the same for the last place Vikes? … or will you be cheering them on – again? Wearing that goofy-assed horned helmet?

    Sincerely,

    Matt Leinert & Mark Sanchez

  83. nekelund says: Mar 14, 2011 2:02 AM

    Now that Favre is (probably) gone, somebody had to step up and take the role of Gunslinger. Mr. Cook is, apparently, leading that particular race.

  84. rcunningham says: Mar 14, 2011 2:27 AM

    JimmySmith says: Mar 13, 2011 8:20 PM

    @ rcunningham

    Hey, I didn’t even mention 0 Superbowls or INT’s, you were the one that brought those up. But instead of name calling and personal attacks, why not stick to the facts; another MN Viking was arrested, another high draft pick that didn’t exactly light the world on fire and yet another lost season with Chris Cook shooting his mouth off after giving up a long TD in a game that the Vikings were simply crushed, crushed so bad that Klink was forced to pay for it with his scalp. (Maybe that just a bad choice of a word in the case of Childress)

    I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t even try to addess the subject matter of the article.

    You’re actually trying to preach to me about personal attacks? You’ve generalized the entire Vikings fanbase time after time with your own personal attacks.

    And what do you mean “another high draft pick that didn’t light the world on fire”? Is your memory that bad that you don’t remember both Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin won the rookie of the year, with Peterson being a top 3 RB in the league today? Newsflash: every team has high draft picks that don’t work out. Man how did drafting Tony Mandarich above Barry Sanders work out? Man that Jamal Reynolds sure lit it up. How bout that Javon Walker? Great choice! And that Ahmad Carrol, what a fantastic pick. AJ Hawk sure was worth being taken 5th overall! Justin Harrell totally is the best DT in the league! See where I’m going with this?

    And I love the fact that you somehow think we’re insulted when you mock Childress. EVERYONE in Minnesota hated Childress, always did. You’re not touching any nerves by insulting him, we all agree.

    As for “addressing the article”, you never address the articles yourself. All you do is recycle the same old jokes you’ve been doing for the past two years. Even if the article was “Joe Webb descends from heaven and saves all the children in poverty”, you’d twist it to an insult somehow.

    Long story short: We may have 0 Super Bowls, but I can sleep well at night knowing you are a complete loser with no life. I’d love for you to walk me through your day. And no, you can’t just list “Refresh PFT’s front page scouring for Viking related articles to mock” over and over again (between “masturbating to my Dad’s porn collection from the 80s” and “applying Clearasil to my face”)

  85. dfinpds says: Mar 14, 2011 2:43 AM

    There is gonna be lots of this kind of stuff now that the players’ support system is taken away……no more assistant coaches to give advice to them……only voices in their ear will be their “friends” and “posse”…….

  86. gilbojones says: Mar 14, 2011 3:48 AM

    as a viking fan, I would love to see this man in jail. this man was a horrible corner, that couldn’t cover a gimped plaxico burress after he shot himself. watching him and asher allen put on possibly the most atrocious secondary play, made me sick to my stomach. what a waste of a pick. and if anyone recalls, the vikings traded the #28 pick to the pats (who got mccourtey) than ended up with cook. what a joke. vikings have some serious issues ahead, and if they don’t fix the QB problem very soon, this franchise could possibly turn for the worst.

  87. jimmysee says: Mar 14, 2011 4:57 AM

    demo1984 — the difference = Championships. The Vikings closet is barebarebare.

  88. tombrookshire says: Mar 14, 2011 6:56 AM

    In other words, because he is an NFL player, it will be dispatched quickly by the authorities. Hate the double standards that exist and are now so out in the open and blatant.

  89. cleonslamminsalmon says: Mar 14, 2011 9:05 AM

    Hey touchdownroddywhite,
    Packers just scored another touchdown on your weak team.

  90. spawnsacs says: Mar 14, 2011 11:03 AM

    I love sitting back and reading brewdogg, cunningham defend this organization and the malcontents they put on the field. It is priceless. Where’s Pervy and Contra…I am surprised they are not on here defending as well.

    The fact of the matter is…the NFL is filled with criminals, sexual deviants and holier than thou attitudes….it just so happens that most of those wind up on the Vikings roster.

    I challenge any Vikings fan to state, without hesitation, that the Vikings front office knows what they are doing. Last time I checked, wizzonators, love boats, meter maid hit and runs, allowing a certain player to skip training camp, team executives huddling on the field in the fetal position after a certain player announced he wasn’t coming back, then offering said player another $7 million to come back, sending players to fetch said player, trading a 3rd rounder for a WR…then cutting him three weeks later, building a cloth roof dome in one of the snowiest places in the US….is not working.

    But maintain the status-quo Vikings….there is no better free entertainment available.

  91. goombar2 says: Mar 14, 2011 3:14 PM

    I hate beating dead horses, but the draft thing still bugs me.

    Yeah, you picked Percy Harvin… So what? Loadholt was the next pick and he’s bombing out there. Then Asher Allen… No help there. Really, other than Harvin, no help, just guys you have to throw in.

    And the Adrian Peterson draft? Sidney Rice, who looks all but lost and only had one season, so I guess you have that return,

    2008 no first and Tyrell Johnson?

    I mean, it’s kinda been the Mike Ditka school of drafting. So in 4 years you guys have what to show for it? Jared Allen (was excellent but is on the down slide) AP (one of the best) Percy Havin (one season has medical issues and can only play the slot) and Sidney Rice (one good season, oft injured and wants to leave).

    4 guys and some scubs you need real replacements for. But I guess Ditka did get Ricky Williams who was a good back with lots of problems so…

    It’s just not sustainable… And yet nobody thought this might not have been the smartest? Wow… In fact it even still gets defended with hindsight! Amazing…

  92. brewdogg says: Mar 14, 2011 7:14 PM

    Now let’s do a non-goombar review of the drafts. We’ll discount the last two, for the sake of fewer arguments, and because the general run of thinking is to give a draft class three years before judging it. So….

    2008 – The Jared Allen draft. Only one choice in the first 4 rounds, and Tyrell Johnson seems to be a major miss. But they did take John Sullivan, their starting C, and Letroy Guion, who showed a lot of promise last year and will likely be heavy in the rotation this year, if not starting.

    2007 – Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, and Brian Robison in the first 4 picks. If they had retained him, Tyler Thigpen likely would have been the best option at QB for the coming season, but that isn’t exactly a success…..

    2006 – Chad Greenway, Cedric Griffin, and Ray Edwards make this draft a winner, especially since there were only 6 picks involved. The fact that two of the others were Ryan Cook and Tarvaris Jackson is something we’d rather forget….

    In the same three years, the Packers hit on Jermichael Finley, Josh Sitton, James Jones, Desmond Bishop, and Greg Jennings. I’ll even give you Korey Hall, just because I like the way he plays. They also drafted Brian Brohm, Jeremy Thompson, Breno Giocamini, Justin Harrell, Aaron Rouse, Allen Barbre, David Clowney, Daryn Colledge, Abdul Hodge, Jason Spitz, Cory Rodgers, Ingle Martin, and Tony Moll in the first 5 rounds. I’ll allow that Jordy Nelson, Pat Lee, Matt Flynn, and Brandon Jackson may end up being hits eventually, and have gone beyond being misses.

    Throw enough darts and you’ll hit the dartboard a few times. But that is 13 clear misses in 3 draft classes. But keep bragging it up and tearing the Vikings down, if that makes you feel better.

  93. shaggytoodle says: Mar 14, 2011 7:36 PM

    @brewdogg

    You should have also considered adding the draft with Clay Matthews and BJ Raji, and even when the Pack miss on some picks, they go pick up solid players that go undrafted like Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, and LBs that filled in this season, or go another year back and put up the Rodgers, vs. James, and Williamson class.

    How did that work out for GB? Duh.. WINNING

    So while Minnesota is trading draft picks for people that are either @ or past thier peak like Allen and Moss. Drafting players with medical or charcter issues, is going to catch up with you, and it looks like right now is about the time. Want to get younger, u traded a bunch of picks away should have thought about that earlier. Maybe around the time you were beating TT to the ground for not drafting Marshawn Lynch cause GB can’t win with no running game.

  94. goombar2 says: Mar 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    Yeah brewdogg, you’re soooo right! The vikes have been doing a bang up job drafting. I really think it lead to last year suckcess.

    But in reality, adding names like Brian Robinson doesn’t help to make your point. Although I like Griffin, he’s been in the hot tub a lot. And Greenway is better than average, but at 10 mil he drags your team down. You might like Guion, but he’s nothing special.

    Add whatever names make you feel happy to the Packer draft classes you want, do whatever you want there. But the proof is in the pudding (as Ted Thompson says) and the vikes aren’t very talented and their record indicates that. The Packers are Super Bowl champions. You really wanna have this fight? Because you already lost…

  95. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 15, 2011 1:23 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Mar 13, 2011 8:28 PM
    I’m surprised the vike fans don’t get on here and demand he get a raise or franchise tag, so that they can turn around and complain about players getting over payed. I mean, that is the typical stupidity out of viking fans.
    ____________________

    Maybe you should learn how to spell “paid” before you comment on the stupidity of someone else.

  96. brewdogg says: Mar 15, 2011 7:27 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Mar 14, 2011 11:50 PM

    Add whatever names make you feel happy to the Packer draft classes you want, do whatever you want there. But the proof is in the pudding (as Ted Thompson says) and the vikes aren’t very talented and their record indicates that. The Packers are Super Bowl champions. You really wanna have this fight? Because you already lost…

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    So does that mean that the Packer’s 6-10 season in 2008 was proof that they weren’t a very talented team? Whoops…. you see, this is your problem. You are so eager to bash the Vikings in any way you can that you don’t see how your own arguments can be used against the Packers.

    By your own logic, a team of Rodgers, Grant, Finley, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Tauscher, Clifton, Wells, Sitton, Finley, Jenkins, Pickett, Jolly, Hawk, Bishop, Barnett, Woodson, Harris, Williams, and Collins is not very talented.

    And don’t give me the SB line again. The Packers were barely above .500 and almost eliminated from the playoffs as of week 15. I take nothing away from their accomplishment, as far as I’m concerned it is one of the best examples of overcoming adversity the league has seen, but they have issues that need to be dealt with. Let’s not forget that Arizona was a hair away from being SB champs two years ago.

    So take your victory with a little humility and recognize the faults in both the Packer’s roster and their player acquisition history. You need at least another G and T, and TTs record with linemen is atrocious. He has yet to draft a CB that has panned out, and even if Williams lives up to that new contract, you’ll need more than that. Jones is likely to sign elsewhere and Driver will retire soon, considerably weakening the WR corps, and if you really want to depend on Nelson and Swain as your 2 and 3, be my guest. And that’s just what needs to be addressed right now….

  97. goombar2 says: Mar 16, 2011 1:44 AM

    Again, you’re throwing out names and you don’t have an understanding. You’re right, that 2008 team wasn’t very talented, but its lack of talent was on the defensive side and the talent level is vastly different to the 2010 team that won the Super Bowl. That 2008 team is a bit similar with this vike team of 2010, only the vike team is much older.

    That 2008 team had many injuries on defense. So although you might say there was talent on the front end, there was nothing behind it. That team was paper talent that got lucky the year before with almost no injuries. This season the Packers lost many starters, and but for the lull you want to declare made us no better than a 500 team, the team went on chugging.

    Thing is the Packers this year had talent behind just the starters, and it took awhile for the talent to gel and work, but when it did there wasn’t much of a drop off.

    That’s because the strategy of going with the draft worked.

    The trade and FA strategy of the vikes hasn’t. It’s great to get a talent like Rice – cheap, young, talented. But Berrian is expensive, a bit older, causes friction if he’s not the best guy but is being paid as such.

    Although Jared Allen has up to this last year been worth the money – this last year he wasn’t. It’s not just that he costs a lot, but there’s another problem. It took 2 #1s and a 3rd. So not just are you unable to use money you give to Allen (and he continues to cost a lot in the future), but you miss out on 2 future good talents and 1 mediocre plug talent. All for just 1 really good talent (not HOF talent though)

    So on paper, the vike roster last year looked formidable, it was paper thin because there were no back ups. That’s why the draft is an aspect no team can afford to get behind on. It’s the youth and gap fill of the future. You normally aren’t going to feel it till 3 or 4 years after the fact.

    That’s why now the vikes feel forced to over pay Greenway cause they have nothing behind him. They’re lost at Wr and their lines on both sides are in shambles. Brian Robinson 4-5 mil? They have to do it cause nobody is behind Edwards. Last season, all you vike fans thought Rice was the reason for the record – how paper is a team that it loses one player and it crashed in a tail spin? The Pack lost 17 in the end!

    Do you honestly think the Packers “just got lucky” and the vikes “just had a poor run of luck”? You wanna act like I’m just holding the Lombardi over your head and that’s not really the case. Realistically, there were probably 3-4 others teams that could hold that trophy too. But those teams were put together like the Packers and have held that distinction for better than a decade. The vikes aren’t one of them, and would only have been a surprise team once. And it didn’t happen and the window shut quickly.

  98. goombar2 says: Mar 16, 2011 1:47 AM

    My only regret with Tucker, is that I can’t find his old idiotic posts where he kicks and screams like a baby for the latest FA to throw money at or all the times he calls Ted Thompson cheap…

    Which is far worse than any misspelling…

  99. shaggytoodle says: Mar 16, 2011 10:00 AM

    And don’t give me the SB line again. The Packers were barely above .500 and almost eliminated from the playoffs as of week 15.

    _________________________________

    How about this line, the Packers never trailed by more than a touchdown ALL year, and lost thier 6 games by a total of 16 points.

    The Vikings had 3 games this season they lost by more than that.

  100. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 16, 2011 12:23 PM

    goombar2 says:
    Mar 16, 2011 1:44 AM
    Although Jared Allen has up to this last year been worth the money – this last year he wasn’t. It’s not just that he costs a lot, but there’s another problem. It took 2 #1s and a 3rd. So not just are you unable to use money you give to Allen (and he continues to cost a lot in the future), but you miss out on 2 future good talents and 1 mediocre plug talent. All for just 1 really good talent (not HOF talent though)
    _____________________

    Jared Allen cost one #1 and one #3. He’s one of the best DE’s in football and he was 26 when he was acquired. DE is one of the hardest positions to fill. Are you really criticizing the Vikings for getting a young, proven commodity instead of drafting a guy who has a great chance of being a bust (see Justin Harrell). Jacksonville traded a #1 and two #3’s to move up to draft Derrick Harvey that year and he’s been useless.

    And you can look for all those old posts where I kicked and screamed for the latest FA or called TT cheap, but I’ve only been commenting on PFT for a couple months so I don’t think you’re going to find them.

  101. goombar2 says: Mar 16, 2011 3:06 PM

    I did misstate what the trade was for.

    It was 1 first, 2 3rds and a swap of 6ths.

    But again, that’s still 1 really good player you give away with a first and 2 plug in guys. And Allen was a 4th round pick. You don’t see how this isn’t sustainable?

    It’s not whether Allen is a good player. I’ll easily concede that. He’s a really good player in fact, but he’s not a HOF talent. He’s not worth 3 players in draft picks along with the huge salary that forces the vikes into a position of not being able to retain up and coming talent.

    Allen just isn’t worth the price, I hardly know any player that really is. But the vikes thought he was the last piece of the puzzle. He wasn’t and this last year he cost an additional 8 mil for a very mediocre season. Speed rushers don’t have a long shelf life in the NFL.

    Now look at the 2008 draft and see the guys you missed out on for him. And they would have been cheaper.

    And you can bring up Justin Harrell all you want. But if you can only point to one bad draft pick due to injury and wish to ignore the fact of Clay Mathews, BJ Raji, Hawk, Bulaga… Well, then don’t ignore your own FA missteps in Berrian. Being 50/50 in signing high priced FAs won’t get you far, but being 4out of 5 in drafting will lead to success.

  102. brewdogg says: Mar 16, 2011 3:23 PM

    Goombar…

    Let me start off by saying that I am appreciating this line more than most of what you have posted on Vikings threads. You’re being a bit more real here.

    But I still think you are trying to sugarcoat things. 7 of the defensive starters in the SB were on that 2008 roster. While adding Raji and Matthews is huge, and Walden and Zombo did play well (although I give a lot of that credit to Dom Capers’ schemes….you have a real genius running that D), do you really want to contend that it was the talent of CJ Wilson, Jarius Wynn, Howard Green, Matt Wilhelm, and the rest of those backups are the difference between a not very talented team and a team set for the next decade?

    As to the 17 injured players, that is a nice number, but it wasn’t 17 opening-day starters who were injured. you lost Grant, and you can’t deny the offense suffered until Starks stepped up late. If he can play like that for a full season, I’ll credit TT with yet another late round steal (and hate him all that much more!). Finley went down, and was never replaced. Quarless and Crabtree together only make an average starting TE. The front 7 got hammered, and were it not for Raji in the middle, you would have really been in trouble, but the loss of Harrell and Neal wasn’t all that earth-shattering. Bishop stepping in for Barnett was a good case of a talented backup, I’ll give you that, but Brad Jones wasn’t that big of a loss. I dare you to tell me that, had Woodson and Collins gone down, the Packers would have been just fine.

    But moving on…. Allen was for 1 first and 2 thirds. While you could make the case that Aqib tailb, Joe Flacco, Sam Baker, and Jeff Otah were on the board at the Vikings traded selection, when you already have a team of veteran PBers, I don’t think you pass up a chance to get a PB DE in his prime at that price. Say what you want, but it was a smart deal. You may say the Vikings signing FAs and trading for players doesn’t work, but 5 of their recent FA/trade acquisitions have put on a Vikings helmet at the PB. They missed on Berrian and M Williams, but Pat, Winfield, Hutchinson, Leber, Taylor, even Schiancoe were good signings, and didn’t cost draft picks.

    My issue with you is not that you are against the Vikings or for the Packers. It’s the double standard and hypocrisy you employ when casting your judgements that irritates me. You call the Vikings a horrible organization for making many of the same mistakes that the Packers also make. Let us not forget that the reason the Packers are such a young team is that they went through years of horrible drafting. Check 1999-2004…. The draft is a double-edged sword just like FA is, and I think you know it. You need to use both to field a good team. Not every member of the Packers team has been a Packer his whole career, you know…

    Oh, one other thing….. You insult Vikings fans for following what you consider a “pathetic franchise of losers”, all the while proclaiming the loyalty of Packers fans through the years, including that stretch of 3 winning seasons in 22 years between Starr and Favre. Tell me why loyalty is a point of honor for Packers fans and a sign of stupidity for Vikings fans. Yet another of your double standards…

  103. brewdogg says: Mar 16, 2011 3:44 PM

    shaggytoodle says:
    Mar 16, 2011 10:00 AM

    How about this line, the Packers never trailed by more than a touchdown ALL year, and lost thier 6 games by a total of 16 points.

    —————————————

    Yes, there was the 3-point losses to Washington, Miami, and Atlanta, and the 4-point loss to Detroit. And the total was 20 points, check your math.

    How about the part where there was only one convincing win against a team that wasn’t 6-10 or worse…..

    Semantics go both ways.

  104. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 16, 2011 4:14 PM

    Jared Allen isn’t worth three players in draft picks? Draft picks look great until you attach a name to them. Here are the Packers’ top three picks in 2008: Jordy Nelson, Brian Brohm, and Patrick Lee. Those guys were all taken in the second round because the genius Ted Thompson traded his first-round pick (heresy according to you). You wouldn’t trade those three guys for Jared Allen?

    Besides these guys and Justin Harrell, here are some other high-round draft busts for the Packers: Mike Neal, Brandon Jackson, James Jones, Aaron Rouse, A. J. Hawk, Abdul Hodge, Jason Spitz, Terrence Murphy, Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, Donnell Washington…Should I continue?

    Draft picks are not always better than trades for established players, and the Packers make plenty of mistakes in the draft, just like every team.

  105. shaggytoodle says: Mar 16, 2011 4:58 PM

    Your right I didn’t add straight, sorry I for giving misinformation.

    Then Vikings still had lost 2 games by more than 20 points.

    I just thinks your foolish to talk to make the Packers bad playing for playoff lives 2 weeks before the end of the season, they won EVERY game they needed to accomplish thier goal.

    So what if the Packers CRUSH teams, they had 6 games vs. playoff teams, thts over a third of thier schedule and teams like that don’t get blown away frequently, because they are COMPETITIVE in every game.

  106. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 16, 2011 5:41 PM

    Wow, Shaggy. Kind of early in the day to be that drunk, even in Wisconsin.

  107. shaggytoodle says: Mar 16, 2011 5:45 PM

    Besides these guys and Justin Harrell, here are some other high-round draft busts for the Packers: Mike Neal, Brandon Jackson, James Jones, Aaron Rouse, A. J. Hawk, Abdul Hodge, Jason Spitz, Terrence Murphy, Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, Donnell Washington…Should I continue?

    __________________________

    Yes please do, and the Packer fans are talking about how TT builds through the draft so Take out the players that Mike Sherman drafted (Carrol, Washington, Thomas, Murphy surprised you didnt try throwing BJ Sanders in there) take the people out that have only played thier rookie season, (Mike Neal) too early to grade.

    How is James Jones a bust he would start on most teams and probably will be next season and he is thier fourth WR and avg. 500 yards a season.

    No I wouldn’t trade those 3 players for Jared Allen, because Jordy Nelson was one of 4 WRs to have 9 catches 140 yards and 2 TDs in a Superbowl.

    The Packers have missed on some draft picks, but they also make some good finds in other areas, like Ryan Grant, Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, or even Atari Bigby even though he only helped out one year, but his first year he almost helped GB to a Superbowl.

  108. brewdogg says: Mar 16, 2011 7:28 PM

    Tuck, a couple points…

    You can’t call Neal a bust. He was injured his rookie year. That would have been like calling Greenway a bust after his rookie year….

    Jones has performed to the expectations of a 3rd-round WR. The part that sucks is that someone is going to give him a fat contract to be their starter, and then, when he isn’t going against nickel and dime backs anymore, he will fade into oblivion. Why does that suck? Because that will be another feather in TT’s hat for the Pack fans to beat us with. I just hope it’s not the Vikes who make that mistake….

    And shaggy….

    You aren’t helping your credibility by indicating you see Nelson as a top WR. Same boat as Jones…. Good slot/checkdown guy, but not starter-caliber.

  109. deconjonesbitchslap says: Mar 16, 2011 7:36 PM

    Randall Woodfield. The I-5 Killer.

    look him up. guess who drafted him?

  110. brewdogg says: Mar 16, 2011 11:05 PM

    Just a note for Jared Allen bashers…..

    Clay Matthews is revered by packers fans for the season he had in 2010. Let’s compare that season to what Allen has AVERAGED in 3 years in purple…

    Matthews: 60 tack, 13.5 sacks, 1 int, 4 pd, 2 ff
    Allen: 55 tack, 13.3 sacks, 1 int, 4.3 pd, 3 ff

    Just saying…..

  111. shaggytoodle says: Mar 16, 2011 11:29 PM

    I didn’t say Nelson was a top WR, I said he had one of the best Superbowls for a WR, and he did he is one of the HANDFULs of guys that have done it.

    I think James Jones would start for teams, like the Bears, Browns, Bengals, or Panthers to name a couple off the top of my head.

    While James Jones is a solid slot guy, didn’t the Vikings use a 1st rounder on a guy that does the same job if he is able to get out on the field.

  112. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 17, 2011 11:55 AM

    Jordy Nelson and James Jones are both best known for dropping the ball. Jordy Nelson was the first WR drafted and was your top draft choice. Yes, he had a good Super Bowl but he also dropped three passes in that game. He hasn’t lived up to expectations, which means he wasn’t a great draft pick. Same with AJ Hawk, who Packer fans think is the second coming of Dick Butkus.

  113. shaggytoodle says: Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM

    No I don’t think most Packer fans thing he is the second coming of Butkus. I think its fans like you that make him to be Brian Bosworth, and thats where the disagreement comes.

    I think Packer fans appreciate the leadership he had shown by filling in and being the QB of the defense.

    The Packers KNEW AJ Hawk was the most PRO ready guy, but being pro ready MEANT he was pretty close to his glass cieling.

    He shows up for work every day, he doesn’t cause drama, he tries his best and helped contribute to a great season. Thats why Packer nation appreciate them.

  114. brewdogg says: Mar 17, 2011 1:24 PM

    Hawk isn’t a big playmaker like you would expect from a draft spot that high, but he was a sure thing coming out, and there’s a lot to be said for a guy who just comes in and does his job well. He’s not flashy, he’s not a star, but he’s an asset to the team. In 20 years, the next generation of fans won’t know who AJ Hawk was and may hold him up as an example of a wasted pick, but I have little doubt that he will warrant consideration for the Ring of Honor when he’s done playing.

  115. goombar2 says: Mar 18, 2011 2:38 AM

    Ok brew… I gotta lot of respect for you, might not mean anything to you now, but maybe in the future…

    And no, I’m not a blind loyalist and I don’t think anyone should be. Being a good fan is sometimes saying the truth. I was no fan of Mike Sherman at the end. I gave him years though – I think it’s only right if a guy works his way to that position. But in no way I’m I gonna try to hoodwink anyone into thinking he was a genius or Judge Parins and Tom Bratz were geniuses either.

    Personally, I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. I still think if you took two steps away and saw this for what it was you’d laugh at yourself. You obviously show you can think constructively I truly wonder about your objectivity.

    I think it’s funny that in our division there’s another team that’s proceeding along the vikes’ way of building a team – the bears. I wonder how great you think it is they traded all those picks for a QB in his prime and spent the moon on a DE. I’ll say it right now, it will fail as bad as the vikings (probably worse). Just look what they have for Wrs (and it takes a couple years to develop one) and their o-line that’s piece meal.

    I think detroit has modeled itself more after Packers and I’m far more worried about them in the future.

  116. spawnsacs says: Mar 18, 2011 11:14 AM

    tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason…..who are the Superbowl XLV champions again…please remind me.

    Fine, the Vikings have the best drafting and FA aquiring front office in the league….yet they still can’t win. Also, what are Jordy Nelsons expectations? 80 catches….100 catches…what? Fact of the matter is….as was proven all year, the Packers are able to plug in just about anyone when a player goes down (in this case Driver), and win. I know that fact hurts…but try to understand.

    And goombar is right….the model of success in this league has been to develop young players, re-sign your veterans and stay out of the bidding wars of FA. Teams that do this win Superbowls…please see Patriots, Colts, Saints and Packers. The Bears will be lucky to win 9 games this year as their schedule will not be cupcake in nature as it was this year. The Lions and the Packers will be tops in the divison this year…..if there is a season.

  117. tuckercarlsonisthevoiceofreason says: Mar 18, 2011 12:52 PM

    brewdogg, why can’t you be objective like goombar2?

  118. jfreak213 says: May 11, 2011 12:36 PM

    Man, the first commenter looks pretty silly now.

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