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Finger-pointing poll still open

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More than 27,000 of you have cast a ballot in our “who do you blame?” poll posted Saturday morning.

But the polls for the poll are still open, and you can still make yourself heard.

As of right now, 38.19 percent blame the players, 24.79 percent blame the owners, and 36.72 percent blame both.

A mere 0.32 percent blame neither.

If you haven’t shared your views, take a second and do so.  If you don’t, you can only blame yourself.

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41 Responses to “Finger-pointing poll still open”
  1. wryly1 says: Mar 13, 2011 12:35 PM

    Here’s a poll:

    Up if you you’d rather watch and listen to Jerry Richardson cry poor mouth;

    Down if you want to watch football, regardless of how much the owners are making.

  2. purplescar says: Mar 13, 2011 12:36 PM

    What’s this feeling coming over me? Oh yeah, it’s the urge(sorta like having to piss) to tell the owners, the players, and their families(which I’m also sure that this whole thing is just about making sure they are taken care of) to F*** OFF!
    Hello MLB it’s been a while.

  3. thegonz13 says: Mar 13, 2011 12:37 PM

    Both sides have to dshoulder the blame. The owners lacked transparency and the players were looking for war.

  4. FoozieGrooler says: Mar 13, 2011 12:56 PM

    My my, how soon everybody forgets.

    It was only a couple of weeks ago, and the owners still hadn’t showed up to negotiate at all. They were counting on their slimy back-door “lockout insurance” to tide them over while they locked the players out, and starve them into submission.

    Well, Doty removed their war chest and suddenly they wanted to negotiate, literally the next day.

    They got what they wanted after all, a lockout, just not on their terms. A level playing field sucks, huh fellas?

  5. jdbaker1860 says: Mar 13, 2011 1:01 PM

    It doesn’t matter how much the owners make. I don’t ask the owner of my job how much he makes or what he does with his money. I shut up and do my job and collect my paycheck. And I don’t make close to what a ball player makes. Unions are destroying this country.

  6. luckywi says: Mar 13, 2011 1:03 PM

    I voted both simply because I don’t think we have all the information on what’s the real deal here.

  7. bigbeefyd says: Mar 13, 2011 1:04 PM

    Rockies are looking awesome in spring training, and the CU Buffs football team has a new coaching staff and a new conference. Oh, and the UFL starts up in August.

  8. tfbuckfutter says: Mar 13, 2011 1:07 PM

    I have to put the blame on the owners because, as far as I can tell, they were the only ones demanding more money.

    I think the players would still be happy with the previous CBA which seemed to work pretty damn well for everyone involved….until one side got greedier.

  9. johnjosephyossarian says: Mar 13, 2011 1:13 PM

    Anyone who expected an agreement before the deadline was fooling themselves. That’s just not how these major agreements work.

    People need to calm down, and stop acting like the sky is falling. Talk to me in six months.

  10. saberstud75 says: Mar 13, 2011 1:16 PM

    The bottomline is that a professional football player is an employee. The owners are the employer. There are literally thousands of college players that go undrafted because they are not considered elite. If a pro ball player thinks he is not replacable in a heartbeat he is very naive. It happens every year at every position. If the players don’t have enough money or want better health care or retirement benefits then they should put their money towards that versus escalades, jewlery, and HUGE bar tabs.

  11. jwil145 says: Mar 13, 2011 1:21 PM

    The Owners for giving away too much in the last CBA and expecting to get it back. The players for being so drunk with their recent legal victories that they are willing to let the courts kill, clean, and cook the Golden Goose.

  12. jdbaker1860 says: Mar 13, 2011 1:23 PM

    Fooziegrooler,
    Just how is millions of dollars for 16 weeks “starving” anyone into submission? These players sit during preseason faking injuries so they don’t have to practice and hold out for huge contracts if they have one good year. It’s a joke the money they make. It’s totally out of control and I say shut football down and put these players in check.

  13. elrushbo2 says: Mar 13, 2011 1:29 PM

    Let’s keep the Obama administration socialism out of the NFL shall we. The players wanted this to go to court from the beginning and had no intention to reach a fair negotiated settlement with the owners. I would not be surprised if D. Smith was told by his daddy Obama the fix was in…. go to court. I hope the players get crushed when this is all said and done.

  14. madamschefter says: Mar 13, 2011 1:31 PM

    There is a UFL team in my town that I might start getting interested in…

  15. scytherius says: Mar 13, 2011 1:32 PM

    The amazing ignorance here of what is at stake to play this game, how much money the players make FOR the owners, and the “duh, they make millions for just working 16 weeks”. What fools these posters be. It is not even worth condescending to this type of drooling ignorance as there is no hope for clarity of though or understanding for you knuckle-draggers that think that way.

    This is no more than a union busting tactic by the owners. Ain’t … gonna … work.

  16. toledoohoh says: Mar 13, 2011 1:48 PM

    I’m not convinced there’s much value in polling a large group of people who have no knowledge of what actually happened.

  17. seeschool says: Mar 13, 2011 1:53 PM

    “It doesn’t matter how much the owners make. I don’t ask the owner of my job how much he makes or what he does with his money. I shut up and do my job and collect my paycheck. And I don’t make close to what a ball player makes. Unions are destroying this country.”

    So what you’re saying JD is if the owner of your job came to you and told you you had to make less money now you wouldn’t need any sort of evidence as to why that was the case? Mmmhmmm. Let me tell you my friend, you ABSOLUTELY would, not matter how much money you made, and particularily if you had leverage.

    The thing that most people are missing here is that the top level guys will continue to make their 10 mill, it’s the bottom of the roster players that will suffer, and they are not millionaires. They can have very short shelf lives, and they can make salaries that are much closer to us regular folk then one might think. Those are the people who will suffer if the players end up with a smaller share of the pie.

    And yes, the union is what’s wrong with this situation. We should let a bunch of wealthy, greedy fat cat owners free reign to collect as much of the leagues revenue as possible, while providing a bunch of undereducated athletes with no one to represent their interests other then their agents, who are only interested in their commission. Makes total sense.

    Athletes will come and go, and need to make their money while they can. The owners will continue to line their pockets until the day they die. I feel zero sympathy for the owners

  18. fsfwannabe says: Mar 13, 2011 1:53 PM

    If the cost of owning an NFL franchise is so staggeringly high, why don’t these owners sell and pocket the billion dollars their franchises are valued at? Or release their books to outside audit and prove it?

  19. bunjy96 says: Mar 13, 2011 2:10 PM

    Why didn’t the poll include the lawyers?

  20. oldhamletman says: Mar 13, 2011 2:25 PM

    at the end of the day…. the Owners ended the contract as is their right, a new negotiation started, then the Players ended that negotiation by walking out and decertifying….

    the reason they aren’t at the table today is the Players / Union…

  21. mrcowpatty says: Mar 13, 2011 2:36 PM

    Last time I checked, it wasn’t the players that asked the cities they play in to build them a new stadium.

  22. metalhead65 says: Mar 13, 2011 2:41 PM

    hey guys, how many times have we heard players say it’s not for the money but the love of the game as the reason they play? well now that you have no union and you can’t play for the nfl why not give the ufl a try? they don’t have any money but you would be able to play and that’s all that matters right? if not that one why not form your own league and play? oh wait that would mean having to put up your own money to pay for it right?you the player would would have to spend money on uniforms.places to play the games.transportation costs, insurance for the players and families and all the other expenses that go with running a team and league. sounds like fun doesn’t it? if you are not willing to do that then shut up about it not being about the money!

  23. grandpoopah says: Mar 13, 2011 2:53 PM

    “jdbaker1860 says:
    Mar 13, 2011 1:01 PM
    It doesn’t matter how much the owners make. I don’t ask the owner of my job how much he makes or what he does with his money. I shut up and do my job and collect my paycheck. And I don’t make close to what a ball player makes. Unions are destroying this country.”

    Congratulations, jdbaker, you are a spineless pushover suffering from Stockholm syndrome toward your corporate overlords. You would make a wonderful peasant if we ever manage to revert to feudalism.

  24. poweredtoast says: Mar 13, 2011 2:55 PM

    The only way I see so many voting that its the players’ fault is if people were stupid enough to buy the lies Pash was selling, and that is a sad, sad state of the American public. Then again, Obama was elected, so this shouldn’t come as a shock…

  25. seeschool says: Mar 13, 2011 2:58 PM

    “at the end of the day…. the Owners ended the contract as is their right, a new negotiation started, then the Players ended that negotiation by walking out and decertifying….

    the reason they aren’t at the table today is the Players / Union…”

    True, but the reason the Union has taken it off the table is that the Owners will not prove that the current deal is a problem for them by providing audited financial statments.

    The question is….why not? Any union worth a damn would demand the same thing if they were being told their membership had to take a pay cut.

  26. lowleadman says: Mar 13, 2011 3:01 PM

    Owners take all of the financial risk. Players risk bodily injury but know that going in and are handsomely compensated for it. Why shouldn’t the owners make a bundle on the business that they own? What’s the point of owning a business in the first place?

    Well fans, just don’t forget that they are fighting over 8.9 billion dollars of YOUR money. Both sides want you to be lemmings. Both sides want you to be like the wildebeast, marching in procession and following the arse in front of you.

    Remember when gas was $4/gal, people drove 9 billion miles less and dropped it to a buck and a half? The point is that , collectively, the fans can have a huge impact here. If we stop giving the hard earned moolah to the NFL’s never-satisfied till, maybe they stop fighting when there is nothing to fight about.

    Gas prices are once again rising. It’s time to stop driving again.

  27. goldsteel says: Mar 13, 2011 3:14 PM

    The only point that I see is that after last week, we as fans should just ignore the NFL until there is an agreement. Next week, next month or next year.

  28. seeschool says: Mar 13, 2011 3:35 PM

    “Owners take all of the financial risk.”

    What risk are you talking about here? Last time I checked the value of an NFL franchise has been steadily increasing over the past 20 years (more then tripling in some cases) and it provides a steady revenue stream on a annual basis (from many sources). Not sure what risk you’re talking about here.

  29. voxveritass says: Mar 13, 2011 4:53 PM

    oldhamletman says: Mar 13, 2011 2:25 PM

    at the end of the day…. the Owners ended the contract as is their right, a new negotiation started, then the Players ended that negotiation by walking out and decertifying….

    the reason they aren’t at the table today is the Players / Union…

    __________________________

    I see what you did there….
    When the owners terminated their agreement with the players it was their right.
    When the players chose not to enter into a lesser agreement they were to blame for the entire situation.
    Regardless of the threats the league has made about a lockout for 2 years, borderline dishonest television contracts negotiated in that time, etc…
    Gotcha… maybe the courts will teach the players not to get so ‘uppity’.

  30. jc1958cool says: Mar 13, 2011 5:17 PM

    the players were giving back 9.5% that’s not good enough for the owners! owners=maggots

  31. jc1958cool says: Mar 13, 2011 5:21 PM

    grandpohpah: if you don’t like your job or how much you make you have 3 choices- quit,join a union or cry!! i guess you chose the last

  32. elrushbo2 says: Mar 13, 2011 5:53 PM

    Maybe Obama saved some of the leftover stimulus money for the poor players who will have trouble feeding their families. By the way, there is no more union for the owners to break……therefore the owners cannot break the union . They choose to decertify and become a sham trade organization………ya right.

  33. grandpoopah says: Mar 13, 2011 6:09 PM

    @seeschool:

    Exactly. The owners cry all day and night about risk, but what owner is losing money? First of all, any owner worth a damn cons the taxpayer into assuming most if not all of the financial risk associated with building a stadium. Personally, I consider it reprehensible but that’s the way it works. The real issue here is a rift among the owners about revenue sharing. Jerry Jones, Snyder, etc want a bigger share of the revenue that their franchises are largely responsible for. But to give more to the big franchises could put the Ralph Wilsons underwater. So the answer for the greedier owners is to take it out of the salary pool. Somehow, when the union declines that lousy offer, that action constitutes “socialism”.

  34. grandpoopah says: Mar 13, 2011 6:15 PM

    “Owners take all of the financial risk. Players risk bodily injury but know that going in and are handsomely compensated for it. ”

    –To the extent that the owners do take “all of the financial risk,” don’t they also “know that going in and are handsomely compensated for it?”

  35. nfl0fans says: Mar 13, 2011 7:27 PM

    seeschool says,”I shut up and do my job and collect my paycheck. And I don’t make close to what a ball player makes. Unions are destroying this country.”

    you need to see a school and learn some american history.

    UNIONS CREATED this country! The demise of the union and the reign of greedy unabated free enterprise have turned it on it’s ear!

  36. stoutfiles says: Mar 13, 2011 7:44 PM

    “There is a UFL team in my town that I might start getting interested in…”

    Let’s be serious, none of you will get interested in a 2nd rate UFL team.

  37. grandpoopah says: Mar 13, 2011 7:49 PM

    @jc1958cool:

    Actually, I have quit – or threatened to quit – a number of jobs that did not pay me adequately for the value I delivered. As a result of both my value to the companies I have worked for and my insistence upon being paid appropriately, today I make over ten times what I made when I began my career fifteen years ago. If I had sat around and just thanked the greedy owners at my first job for the relative pittance they paid me, as you suggest, I would still be poor, overworked, and underappreciated.

  38. sakatak says: Mar 13, 2011 8:41 PM

    The players don’t have much say in what is going on here. The union is making all the decisions. Union employees do what the union leaders tell them to. The day I heard the union decided not to have Troy Vincent be their leader I got a very bad feeling. The union could have made this thing work if they would have come up with some new ideas. The union should be improving the playing conditions for the players and forcing owners to negotiate. I never felt like they had the best interest of the players at heart. I blame the union leaders.

  39. jerseyguy65 says: Mar 13, 2011 8:43 PM

    The owners yes take the $ risk but they’re in the wrong for the lockout TV contract thing.

    Yes they are owners and are not public and don’t have to give up financials but you have to look at it this way:

    If all of us in our 9-5 jobs had a SIGNED contract to pay us $50,000 and the owner comes to us one day and says i’m only going to pay you $30, 000…you ask why and he says basically ‘none of your business we said so ‘….wouldn’t you get a lawyer?…Thats the players point here….yes the $’s are nothing us average joes can relate to but thats the principle the players are standing for…..

    Compared to baseball players and that insane strike of 1994, NFL players desreve whatever 4 theny can get. They take 50 times the physical risk and get mostly non-guanranteed contracts. For 40 years the MLB players have drank the Marvin Miller cool-aid of ‘the owners treated us like slaves for 60 years so lets f$%k them in eternity’….

  40. sfbookreviews says: Mar 13, 2011 9:26 PM

    jerseyguy, that’s one of the reasons baseball’s fortunes have declined and in many cities, including mine, has become a joke. I’m all for players getting their fair share, but the owners have the right to make money. It’s a business, not a charity. Both sides are to blame and both needed to give ground. I didn’t see the players giving a single thing. And if the players want to turn the NFL into a version of MLB, I’m out.

    nflofans: Yes, unions once were vitally important to this country, but they have outlived their usefullness and now cause more problems than they solve. My region was once a powerhouse for steel production but plant after plant after plant went out of business because the unions refused to take pay and benefit cuts, effectively putting themselves out of work. Then they cried about not being able to find a job that paid them what they used to get. Pathetic.

  41. jerseyguy65 says: Mar 13, 2011 11:02 PM

    I agree sfbookreviews, owners have the right to make the money. But it seemed like the players would give ground, they just wanted to see proof the owners were losing $ or not making as much.

    If the owners are saying they need another $1 billion off the top because of the new stadiums, then they should show the union the exact same financial statements they had to give the banks that loaned them the money to build them.

    Agree with your union assessment. Teachers unions here in NJ refused to take cuts and pay for healthcare, now they’re crying about layoffs.

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