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Report: NFLPA* source says there’s “no chance” of negotiations before April 6

Clay Redden AP

Now that the parties have driven their car into the abyss of uncertainty, one side continues to press the pedal to the metal.

With a 23-day window before Judge Susan Nelson takes up the players’ motion for preliminary injunction in the Brady antitrust lawsuit, an NFLPA* source tells Adam Schefter of ESPN that there’s “no chance” negotiations will occur between now and April 6.

With all due respect to Schefter and his source, Schefter’s source is an idiot.

If Judge Nelson or Judge Doty (who still has jurisdiction over two major disputes between the league and the players) order the two sides into mediation, there will be negotiations.  And Schefter’s report makes us even more convinced that mediation should be ordered by one or both of the judges presiding over Litigeddon.

Frankly, the flat refusal to negotiate during the next three-plus weeks tends to confirm the league’s belief that the players aren’t being reasonable.  Likewise, it tends to confirm our concern that the players are overplaying their hand after winning the “lockout insurance” case.  And it will do nothing to persuade fans that the owners, not the players, bear the bulk of the blame.

Here’s the reality.  As sports lawyer David Cornwell explained during Monday’s PFT Live, the league can make persuasive arguments against a preliminary injunction based on the impact of the “sham” argument on the players’ ability to prove that they have a strong likelihood of success on the merits, one of the key factors to assess when deciding to issue a preliminary injunction.  If, in the end, Judge Nelson decides not to grant the motion for preliminary injunction, the lockout will continue — and the league will gain even more leverage.

Bottom line?  The position taken by Schefter’s source proves that the source has no interest in trying to work out a fair and reasonable deal, and whoever the source was should be removed from any position of influence over the players’ interests.  It remains in the best interests of the players and the league to try to work out an objectively fair deal.  A 23-day window for doing so is now open.  Cardinals kicker Jay Feely said earlier today that the two sides are close.  Why categorically rule out the possibility of talking?

If no talks occur and the motion for preliminary injunction is denied, Schefter’s source surely will regret taking that position.

Hopefully, Schefter’s source has no real power over the decisions made on behalf of the 1,900 men whose interests are being represented by the class action.

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  1. src3346 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:31 PM

    Why should the NFLPA negotiate. They haven’t done so to this point. Why would they start now. Have another cup of KoolAid.

  2. PFTiswhatitis says: Mar 14, 2011 5:31 PM

    If “the source ” is correct then the union is just plain stupid. Believe me they will lose fans and fans are money.

  3. spectre14 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:32 PM

    Gotta love the NFLPA… pretty sure a deal isn’t going to get done without talking… why not sooner rather than later?

  4. benh999 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:32 PM

    This almost isn’t newsworthy. Look at the trajectory of comments from prominent players and PA representatives in the negotiating process. They have had very, very little to say about getting poor offers from the NFL. They have been mostly intent on digging their heels in on things like an 18-game regular season, audited financials, better benefits for retired/injured players, etc. Despite all the concessions the league made in order to get a deal done before the extension expired, the players have never had an interest in negotiating. I am not arguing that the owners are saints, but they clearly were far more willing to make concessions than the players were.

    My money says this whole process is little more than a career move for DeBag Smith. Sticking it to the NFL in court would be a pretty big feather in that absurd hat he uses to cover his bald head.

  5. waitingguilty says: Mar 14, 2011 5:32 PM

    “With all due respect to Schefter and his source, Schefter’s source is an idiot.”

    I was going to comment, but there is really nothing else to say except Boom. Roasted.

  6. pppath says: Mar 14, 2011 5:38 PM

    Why would you want to negotiate with someone who wants you to take a pay cut despite the fact that they are richer (owners) and the sport is more popular (NFL) than ever? The players should get a raise.

    Oh, and can all of you rich-wannabe trolls go back to fox network where you belong.

  7. bsizemore68 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:39 PM

    This is all hear say. Doesn’t mean a thing. Wait until a judge makes a ruling on this case. If the judge is in no hurry, then the players are not in a hurry, the one who wants to jump back into negotiations is the party with the weaker hand and the one who needs to get the deal done.Bill

  8. smellmyface says: Mar 14, 2011 5:45 PM

    The source was probably De Dummy himself. Hes has wanted to go to court the whole time unless the NFL bowed down to him on every demand.

    Cant say the players are that bright either, They are quick to throw their name in a lawsuit. When its all over and De dummy walks away have the players thought about any backlash from the players?

    As Jack Kent Cooke told Mark Murphy after a pro bowl year and he wanted to lead the charge against the owners…dont get to comfortable here you wont play another down for the Redskins.

  9. kc4life7 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:46 PM

    The greed and childishness of the players is very frustrating as a fan. It makes me not want to root for any of these guys anymore.

  10. lowleadman says: Mar 14, 2011 5:47 PM

    Well said Mike

  11. ejmat2 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:47 PM

    If this is true then we definately know who the real a-holes are. The NFLPA is showing their true colors now.

  12. hobartbaker says: Mar 14, 2011 5:49 PM

    News may be hard to come by, as Mrs. Nelson has revoked internet privledges for those involved. Yes, including Facebook and Twitter. When she said “all” she meant it. Hand held devices and video consoles are off limits as well. Until they start showing signs of acting a little more “grownup”, and SHE will be the judge of that. Allowances will be withheld as well.

  13. 4evrnyt says: Mar 14, 2011 5:51 PM

    Just wait another 30 minutes and they will report another source saying that negotiations will start immediately.

  14. Burritto says: Mar 14, 2011 5:54 PM

    My guess is that the problem here is the taking of a Twitter post as though it’s concise and carefully worded.

    Take this as, “There’s no chance for voluntary negotiations…” and it all goes away. (Still upsetting, but probably truthful.) Schefter and/or his source should have spoken more precisely, but that’s just how it goes sometimes and I’d be wary of running wild with it.

    My interpretation of this is that the former union filed a lawsuit and that lawsuit is their Plan A. Plan B (negotiations/resolutions before the court date) won’t be enacted unless the former union is forced to do so.

  15. footballisking says: Mar 14, 2011 5:55 PM

    why in the world would the players want to go back to mediation…after the 17 days of mediation or how ever long it was all that was happening was the owners were saying do what we want and the players were saying give us more proof that you are losing money….so neither side was going to change on their position on this topic so mediation was becoming a dog and pony show…the one and only way this is going to get handled is through the legal system because the league isnt going to open the books on their own and the players arent going to give them more money on their own

  16. sonoco says: Mar 14, 2011 5:55 PM

    Yawn . . . wake me when a deal gets done. I’ve got no use for any of this. Go Giants! . . . S.F. Giants that is. Buh Bye.

  17. drgreenstreak says: Mar 14, 2011 5:56 PM

    Hmm… Did it occur to you that maybe the NFLPA is posturing for the express purpose of challenging the judge to call for mediation? Just sayin’.
    The more the owners talk, the more they lose focus of their secret, collusion agreement and insert their foot in their faces. Smells, too.
    The bottom line is that no court can make the players play. Period. This fact is not lost on some owners.

  18. larryfinfan says: Mar 14, 2011 5:56 PM

    Who is this NFLPA you keep referring to ?? I thought the union decertified….Isn’t this just another way of saying “SHAM” of the Union’s antics ?? Or should I just say “shame”…

  19. tedknight40 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:57 PM

    Negotiation is a dialogue between two or more people or parties, INTENDED to reach an understanding, resolve point of difference, or gain advantage in outcome of dialogue, to PRODUCE an agreement upon courses of action, to bargain for individual or collective advantage, to craft outcomes to SATISFY various interests of two person/ parties involved in negotiation process.

    The PLAYERS have NO INTENT to PRODUCE an outcome that will work SATISFACTORILY at this point. They rather:

    A lawsuit or (less commonly) “suit in law” is a civil action brought in a court of law in which a plaintiff, a party who claims to have incurred loss as a result of a defendant’s actions, demands a legal or equitable remedy.

  20. FinFan68 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:00 PM

    The players screwed up by decertifying and going to court. That was their plan all along and it didn’t matter what the owners said. They walked away, not the league.

    With the union decertified how can the players negotiate? If they do try to sit down and negotiate without recertifying and dropping the suits, wouldn’t that prove the owner’s assertion that the decertification is a “sham”?

    The players don’t want to negotiate a compromise…they want to win flat out and the court is the only place that might happen.

  21. purpleguy says: Mar 14, 2011 6:02 PM

    I thought Shefter was an owner’s guy, so you gotta wonder how reliable that source is. Silver is the one with his lips planted on the collective butts of the players and the NFLPA — what are his sources saying? Either way, the players will be squaking long before the owners if they keep worrying about dumbass emotions like “disrespect” instead of working out a deal. It’s the simple difference between businessmen and athletes — businessmen work on the deal while athletes worry about perception.

  22. vmannj says: Mar 14, 2011 6:04 PM

    So, the players want free agency to start (they want their multi-million $$ signing bonuses). But they don’t want to talk to the owners and work out a deal. Now, how exactly do you expect that to happen?

  23. mike83ri says: Mar 14, 2011 6:09 PM

    The NFLPA* is just pushing me further and further away from them.

    The NFL should buyout the UFL in the meantime. It can’t be worth a lot, and the leverage it would gain them would more than make up for itself in the CBA negotiations.

  24. shooliganza says: Mar 14, 2011 6:11 PM

    Neither of these judges can order mediation.

    Judge Doty has accepted the decertification and and I expect a written ruling outlining his reasons. As the original judge in the deal that created the CBA his decision carries a lot of weight. He is not assigned to the antitrust case because his tenure as judge in the CBA is over now that there is no CBA because the union has decertified. He can’t order mediation if he rules there is no longer a union.

    Judge Nelson’s first involvement will be in the antitrust suit for an injunction blocking the lockout. The owners are arguing that the union, in law, still exists and the decertification was a sham to skirt legal obligations and that because the union still exists it can be forced back to mediation and the CBA. For Nelson to order mediation before the hearing she would in effect be giving an early judgment in favor of the league because you can only order a union to mediate not a players association.

  25. radrntn says: Mar 14, 2011 6:15 PM

    We all already know, they did not want to negotiate in good faith, they just wanted to go to courts in hopes of getting 7.2 million per season, instead of the 7.1 million they were offered…..

    all I can say, is I hope you lose.

  26. camp69 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:18 PM

    I would love to go into business with any of the supporter of the onwers out there. I’ll give you 80% and I’ll take 20%, but, I’ll keep the books and I promise to tell you how much money the business made. hehehe!

  27. jerseydevil856 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:20 PM

    Yeah, the players have it soooo rough. I’d like to see just ONE of them go a week working 9 to 5 at a normal-paying job to pay the bills and put food on the table for their families. Maybe then they’d appreciate what they have.

    No sympathy for them. At all.

  28. benh999 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:24 PM

    @pppath,
    Are you dense? They are talking about a percentage of the pie. No one is reducing any players’ salary. The salary cap is a function of the percentage of the league’s football revenue, of which the players were able to get a lot of in the past CBA in exchange for the league’s right to void it after this past year.

  29. endzonezombie says: Mar 14, 2011 6:26 PM

    It is a shame that this site doesn’t show the number of days a poster has been posting here. From all the pro-owner comments on here, I suspect there are a lot of team admins who have recently opened accounts on PFT so they can roast the players. For those pro-owner posters who really are just fans with a sense of entitlement, I hope they have a mock draft soon for your admin roster for September.

  30. bonniebengal says: Mar 14, 2011 6:30 PM

    QUOTE: “kc for life says:
    Mar 14, 2011 5:46 PM
    The greed and childishness of the players is very frustrating as a fan. It makes me not want to root for any of these guys anymore.”

    I agree. Bring on the replacement players!

  31. r8rsfan says: Mar 14, 2011 6:31 PM

    If you invited these players to an Amway meeting you would walk out a millionairre. Idiots from top to bottom, front to back.
    So if the union is decertified, would replacement players be scabs anymore? Seems to me that it opens the door wide open with no fear of recourse.

  32. canuck54143 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:31 PM

    I remember two other sports that went on strike, and cost me the pleasure of seeing my team win their third straight World Series, and a Cup. I can’t tell you the names of those leagues anymore cause I don’t watch them and don’t really care about them anymore. NBC, CBS, ABC, or FOX sign up that new league to TV rights I’ll watch that instead of the NFL. This way the FANs win and the Billionairs, and Millionairs both lose.

  33. jmiller2025 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:33 PM

    Let’s have a 53 round draft and let current players find another job.

  34. thefiesty1 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:34 PM

    Being “forced” to the table hasn’t done anything for the NFLPA or players association or whatever they called now. Maybe they should have a convention and require every player attend and vote his conscious. without their so called leaders (ie. De Maurice, and players’ representatives.) Maybe the players’ agents should try to explain how to them how the real world works if they want to have a job. Something might get accomplished then.

  35. waitingguilty says: Mar 14, 2011 6:36 PM

    @endzonezombie

    No, I think you are being paranoid. If you follow this story you’ll see that the NFL fans across the nation are about 60%-40% split against the players. Everywhere, not just on PFT.

    The “Artists formerly know as the NLFPA” are doing a horrible PR job, and the owners are doing a great job painting the players as anti-negotiating, pro lawsuit malcontents.

    The NFLPA should fire De Smith, pick up the phone and ask if that deal from Friday is still on the table. They are not going to like the way this plays out in court. They are making tactical error after error.

  36. kindbass says: Mar 14, 2011 6:39 PM

    I find it funny that in a matter of days, the commenters on this site have gone from almost all pro-player to pro-owner.

  37. src3346 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:41 PM

    Well, It must be true. Billionaires are smarter than Millionaires.

  38. broncfanor says: Mar 14, 2011 6:43 PM

    And the problem with being pro-owner is what?

    The owners offered several concessions to the NFLPA and were rejected.

    The players really have nothing to stand on, their contracts aren’t going to go down, they were offered retirement and medical, a rookie cap means MORE money to those players who have earned it. What exactly are the players complaining about?

  39. mmickute says: Mar 14, 2011 6:44 PM

    This is the kind of crap that makes me side toward the owners. I’m usually a ‘stick it to the man’ kinda guy, but this the kind of crap that is just absurd.

  40. thebigolddog says: Mar 14, 2011 6:48 PM

    I listened to an interview with Pete Kendall today, who, Despite being out of football for 2 years, was invited by De Smith to be part of the negotiations. After listening I knew why Pete was chosen and I knew the players had no intention on negotiating. The attitude was “prove” you need more money. They truly believe they are the owners and the players are just the hired help. They don’t care about anything but the money and are very upfront about it. You can find the interview on WEEI the D&C audio vault section. Judge for yourself.

    I bet every person selected by De Smith has a hair across their buttocks.

  41. thebigolddog says: Mar 14, 2011 6:52 PM

    BTW, Kendall, like Vrabel years ago, talked about ALL revenue owners make “because they own a team.” Coincidence? I don’t think so.

    I wonder how players would feel if owners wanted to start counting the ALL the revenue made by players because they are football players for the rest of their life. You know, commercials, signings, endorsements, speaking engagements, etc.

    This is going to get really, really nasty.

  42. kindbass says: Mar 14, 2011 6:54 PM

    jerseydevil856 says:
    Mar 14, 2011 6:20 PM
    Yeah, the players have it soooo rough. I’d like to see just ONE of them go a week working 9 to 5 at a normal-paying job to pay the bills and put food on the table for their families. Maybe then they’d appreciate what they have.

    No sympathy for them. At all.

    ———————————————————-

    Most of them will. The average NFL career lasts three years. Now imagine working that 9-5 with a bad knee and not only having to support your family, but also pay your own surgery bills.

  43. 49ers2316 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:54 PM

    The NFLPA and Drew Brees both need to stop acting like they are in it for the fans. There is plenty of time NOW to try and get a deal done. The players are either idiots or are being fed the wrong information they can’t and wont win in court. But in all honesty the nfl should go get all new players and leave these overachievers to struggle and come crawling back on their hand and knees.

  44. jerseydevil856 says: Mar 14, 2011 6:58 PM

    kindbass says: Mar 14, 2011 6:39 PM

    I find it funny that in a matter of days, the commenters on this site have gone from almost all pro-player to pro-owner.

    ****************************************

    I find it funny that Antonio Cromartie would rather pay $50,000 a month in child support for 9 children from 8 women living in 6 states instead of buying a $10 box of Trojans. This is why the players are the players and the owners are the owners.

  45. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 14, 2011 6:59 PM

    Players have already lost the PR war

  46. touchdownroddywhite says: Mar 14, 2011 7:04 PM

    Somewhere an NFL fan is shaking their head in disgust while the song, “All about the Benjamins” plays in the background.

    Players don’t feel lucky or blessed or they’d have taken the leagues last offer in my opinion. If you feel so “blessed” to play in the NFL then you shouldn’t mind doing it on the “cheap”.

  47. 3octaveFart says: Mar 14, 2011 7:09 PM

    src3346 says: Mar 14, 2011 5:31 PM

    “Why should the NFLPA negotiate. They haven’t done so to this point. Why would they start now. ”

    They just took a page out of the owners playbook, you know, the guys who refused to negotiate until the day after Doty took away their lockout insurance?

  48. flr29 says: Mar 14, 2011 7:15 PM

    broncfanor says: Mar 14, 2011 6:43 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What do the players have to stand on? Just the law, and a US Supreme Court that just ruled against the owners 9-0.

    If you support the owners, you oppose free markets. You oppose a man’s ability to let his work ethic and skill and the marketplace determine his pay.

    No one here, owner or employee, has a salary cap. We all have budgets. And if our competitor has a different budget than we do, then we have to react in the marketplace if we want to compete. If profits go up with a cheaper workforce, great. If profits go up by paying more in wages, great.

    Let owners that want to spend, spend. Let owners that do not want to spend, not spend.

    Cap salaries at 100% total revenue. Remove the salary floor. Let the individual owners pay what they want.

  49. vahawker says: Mar 14, 2011 7:16 PM

    Just when I thought DeIdiot and the Keystone Cops couldn’t possibly be any dumber or bigger morons….they prove me wrong.

  50. jerseydevil856 says: Mar 14, 2011 7:21 PM

    kindbass says: Mar 14, 2011 6:54 PM

    Most of them will. The average NFL career lasts three years. Now imagine working that 9-5 with a bad knee and not only having to support your family, but also pay your own surgery bills.

    ***********************************

    Oh please, spare me. There’s tons of guys who wake up every day with bad knees, bad backs, broken bones etc etc who go to work to put food on the table for their families. The one difference: they didn’t have someone pay them in excess of $1 million dollars, which is the average amount a player will have earned for playing 3 years in the NFL.

    If they’re too stupid to invest it wisely to never have to actually “work” another day in their life, then they deserve being poor.

  51. bernie19kosar says: Mar 14, 2011 7:27 PM

    kindbass said:

    Most of them will. The average NFL career lasts three years. Now imagine working that 9-5 with a bad knee and not only having to support your family, but also pay your own surgery bills.

    ————————————–

    Please. How about the college football player that does the same for free? Or the Veteran who comes back without a leg for a FRACTION of what a bench player makes? Or the Cop who works the nightshift for what Albert Haynesworth makes stretching?

    The fact is that even the lowest paid bench warmer is paid insanely well. The fact that most of these guys leave with 3-4 years worth of NFL paychecks is MORE than enough money for their trouble.

    And if the pay and benefits in the NFL are so poor, tell them to quit and go get out while they can. Go get that job now.

    They won’t. And bitching to people who have problems MUCH bigger than theirs is a poor way to gain PR.

  52. randolph32 says: Mar 14, 2011 7:28 PM

    Good one Jersey Devil, I knew I’d come across a Cromartie post before I hit the end…

  53. egls7 says: Mar 14, 2011 7:37 PM

    It was probably channing crowder

  54. bigbluefan1 says: Mar 14, 2011 7:45 PM

    Reading all the posts its easy to see who is a Union employee.

    First off the players are not partners they are the hired help

    Secondly a partner does not just enjoy the rewards but also gambles and takes risks with there money.

    Lastly with out owners there is no NFL the ahole players could not form a team build a stadium or work out a deal with a network.

    Union fools vote for the dumbarats and find that the working man the real working man not the union worker is feed up and not going to take it any more.

    Did a player buy the team no a business man did
    Did a player borrow to build a stadium no a business man did

    America needs business men not union punks

  55. canuck54143 says: Mar 14, 2011 8:06 PM

    Maybe the NFLPA is standing up for the Teachers Union in Wisconsin that’s trying to bankrupt the state. Unions seem to ruin everything.

  56. endzonezombie says: Mar 14, 2011 8:13 PM

    I hope when the NFL starts playing games again, hypocrits like touchdownroddywhite ( and anti-player shills like him) don’t start lauding the players again. Change your name, pal, to TouchdownArthurBlank.

  57. jimmysee says: Mar 14, 2011 8:21 PM

    That well of good will for the players is running dry mighty fast. In these types of disputes it’s important to hold the moral high ground. The players are doing their best to give it away.

  58. WingT says: Mar 14, 2011 8:31 PM

    The Union obviously feels confident or else they wouldn’t have planted that message with Schefter. The message will allow them time to gauge the Owners desire to close a deal.

  59. locutus says: Mar 14, 2011 8:53 PM

    endzonezombie says: Mar 14, 2011 8:13 PM

    I hope when the NFL starts playing games again, hypocrits like touchdownroddywhite ( and anti-player shills like him) don’t start lauding the players again. Change your name, pal, to TouchdownArthurBlank.

    Why is that? Why are those two things interconnected in your view? People aren’t allowed to separate differing issues?

  60. vetdana says: Mar 14, 2011 9:05 PM

    “The party with the weaker hand and the one who needs to get the deal done”. Folks….that party is….. all of the innocent persons who conduct business related to NFL activities on and off season!! People who are being affected starting NOW ! Do you hear any players…or owners, willing to step up to the plate and cover their losses ?…all the while they tell us they are NOT going back to the bargaining table any time soon ….I did not think so. This is nothing but Greed and the fans are getting more infuriated every day !!~

  61. cliverush says: Mar 14, 2011 9:11 PM

    I hope the players are watching the publics opinion of this circus. I support unions and what they stand for, but both sides must operate within a structure. If tearing apart the very organization which provides the structure that you earn money from then the union has made an error. The auto unions in this country have done it. It is not good business.

  62. oldbyrd says: Mar 14, 2011 10:00 PM

    hey endzone get a non union job moron

  63. biggerballz says: Mar 14, 2011 10:18 PM

    I hope the owners shut down for a year and then pay them 50k just like cops and fire fighters who put their health on the line.

  64. biggerballz says: Mar 14, 2011 10:30 PM

    Hey cliverush the players are too selfish to care what the fans think. They still believe just because they won a superbowl years ago that the fans love them unconditionally. I love Tom Brady the qb, I hate Tom Brady the plantiff. You all did what ben rotheshburglar did to that girl in the bathroom. Sure nothing illegal but it left us with a bad taste in our mouth and we dispise you for it.

  65. blackheld says: Mar 14, 2011 10:42 PM

    Sounds like another Kevin Mawae knife to the back. It’s a shame, really. The guy was a great player, but he can’t get it done well enough, any more, and he’s bitter about it. So he tries to sling mud at the owners who won’t sign him, claiming it’s his union activities.

    I have no idea if Mawae is Adam’s source, but if I had to put down my money, he’d be 3:5 in the clubhouse.

    One thing to remember…the players love the current contract, and one thing litigation might produce is a “play under the current agreement while you negotiate”. Doty might have done that. So the players still have to like the litigation option, even without Doty. He already cut off the owner’s slush fund, so the players have to figure they’re starting out in the leaf.

  66. goldsteel says: Mar 14, 2011 10:48 PM

    I agree the players are making their own stance tenuous. While not wanting to take sides, I find myself less sympathetic to the players because of this intransigent position of theirs.

    And why should any of them be concerned about public relations? Get the deal done and the public relations will take care of themselves.

    As an old Raiders coach put it, “If you can’t figure out how to share 9.2 Billion then don’t play.”

  67. endzonezombie says: Mar 14, 2011 10:52 PM

    This site is so pro-owner that it HAS to have NFL shills coming here to comment. Every pro-player post is overwhelmingly thumbs-down, and every pro-owner post is primarily thumbs-up. The odds of that happening for a blue-collar sport like football are very, very remote.

  68. blackheld says: Mar 14, 2011 10:52 PM

    jmiller2025 says:
    Mar 14, 2011 6:33 PM

    Let’s have a 53 round draft and let current players find another job.

    ———————————

    With the first pick in Round One, blackheld chooses…Bill Belichick’s camera man?

    :this thread needed some humor:

  69. Deb says: Mar 14, 2011 11:11 PM

    Schefter hasn’t been terribly accurate with some of his “scoops” this season. Players speaking on the record have had a different attitude. The players already made an offer that would have cut their compensation back to pre-2002 levels and the league blew them off. The league’s offer didn’t even address the issue at the core of the dispute. Considering that the league has anti-trust whiz kid David Boies working on this, the owners have more to gain by refusing to negotiate than the players.

    I’d definitely take this report (as I take all of Schefter’s reports) with a grain of salt.

  70. Deb says: Mar 15, 2011 12:03 AM

    @cliverush …

    The players haven’t torn apart anything. You’re just buying company propaganda … hook, line, and sinker. If you’re a union supporter, you should know better. I’ll agree some unions have negotiated themselves out of jobs and helped management wreck their industries in the process. But that is not what’s happening here.

    People are jumping on the owners’ bandwagon primarily because they don’t like the idea of athletes making millions. For some, I’m afraid, there are also some underlying race issues. But the league has also done a masterful job of feeding the public distrust of labor and distorting the issues and how they’ve been negotiated. They’ve prepared for this lockout for a long, long time.

  71. newnfl says: Mar 15, 2011 12:52 AM

    since there is no union, lets start a new union, sign a new CBA with the NFL. Set a rookie wage scale, demand pay based on performance, no signing bonus. if the player holds out for more money he cant play for any team until he fulfills his contract with the team he held out, if he wont play he doesn’t get paid and starts over the the rookie wage scale. reduce all contracts and use the savings to build new stadiums, reduce ticket prices and no psl ever.

  72. childressrulz says: Mar 15, 2011 1:15 AM

    Unions rule. Watch what happens in court. If the owners don’t want their books opened I suggest they give the players whatever they want. The players are not “the hired help.” They are the TALENT. The players should form a new league. get the incoming draft class and form some new teams. Play at local college fields. Charge like twenty bucks a ticket. Imagine great football at affordable prices. Screw those dusty old farts!

  73. broncsfan says: Mar 15, 2011 1:28 AM

    One would think, reading some of the above comments, that it was the players demanding a change from the status quo and not the owners asking for a pay cut during a time of unrivaled profitability for their industry.

  74. duffer58 says: Mar 15, 2011 3:24 AM

    We have had a strong Middle Class because in large part to Unions. The NFL is doing great. Why should the players give anything back without proof from owners?

  75. duffer58 says: Mar 15, 2011 3:26 AM

    If you support the owners you probably think W was a good President. Good God people.

  76. eagleswin says: Mar 15, 2011 7:50 AM

    duffer58 says:
    Mar 15, 2011 3:24 AM
    We have had a strong Middle Class because in large part to Unions. The NFL is doing great. Why should the players give anything back without proof from owners?

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    The NFL revenues are doing great. The expenses are skyrocketing even faster than the revenue though. The owners offered audited statements through an independent accounting firm for the last 5 years.

    The question isn’t why don’t the owners give proof, it’s why the players refuse to look at the proof? Why does it need to be the NFLPA auditors? The answer is simple. The NFLPA doesn’t want to make a deal. They want the opportunity to muckrake through the books. An independent firm doesn’t give the NFLPA the chance to criticize and leak individual expenditures which is really what they want to do.

    There’s no reason for what they demand, it just makes for a good soundbite.

  77. MichaelEdits says: Mar 15, 2011 7:50 AM

    Dear NFL owners and players: Please don’t negotiate before April 6. I’ve already started writing my April Fool’s Day stories about you guys. Thanks.

  78. eagleswin says: Mar 15, 2011 7:54 AM

    broncsfan says:
    Mar 15, 2011 1:28 AM
    One would think, reading some of the above comments, that it was the players demanding a change from the status quo and not the owners asking for a pay cut during a time of unrivaled profitability for their industry.

    ——————

    Prove that statement. I don’t think you can because it’s an ignorant statement. Record revenues do not equal record profits. To use the word profit you have to take into account EXPENDITURES. Guess what, player salaries are at an all time high (EXPENDITURE) among other things. Guess what the single biggest EXPENDITURE is for football teams? Player salaries. Public funding for stadiums has also dried up in recent years which means the teams need to make up more funding for their stadiums out of their own pockets. That’s another expenditure.

  79. eagleswin says: Mar 15, 2011 8:03 AM

    childressrulz says:
    Mar 15, 2011 1:15 AM
    Unions rule. Watch what happens in court. If the owners don’t want their books opened I suggest they give the players whatever they want. The players are not “the hired help.” They are the TALENT. The players should form a new league. get the incoming draft class and form some new teams. Play at local college fields. Charge like twenty bucks a ticket. Imagine great football at affordable prices. Screw those dusty old farts!

    ————————

    Yea. Imagine these players playing for $50 to $100 a game. That isn’t even going to cover McKinney’s tip money at the bar. I’d love to see the players playing for that kind of money. Why don’t you talk to your heroes and see how fast they laugh in your face at that suggestion. You may love them, but they don’t care about you and what you’d like to see.

    The NFL was a league long before the current crop of players were even born. Let’s hope it’s still here after they leave. I don’t care if any star player that’s currently in the league ever plays again. My favorite team is the Philadelphia Eagles, not the Philadelphia McNabb’s or the Philadelphia Vick’s.

    The talent is only the talent because the NFL gives them a platform and promotes them. Let them play for the UFL (insolvent) or CFL or Arena League (bankrupted by their union and only now starting to play games again) to show everyone that they are worth millions of dollars.

  80. jerseydevil856 says: Mar 15, 2011 10:58 AM

    The players haven’t torn apart anything. You’re just buying company propaganda … hook, line, and sinker. If you’re a union supporter, you should know better. I’ll agree some unions have negotiated themselves out of jobs and helped management wreck their industries in the process. But that is not what’s happening here.

    People are jumping on the owners’ bandwagon primarily because they don’t like the idea of athletes making millions. For some, I’m afraid, there are also some underlying race issues. But the league has also done a masterful job of feeding the public distrust of labor and distorting the issues and how they’ve been negotiated. They’ve prepared for this lockout for a long, long time.

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    Deb, with all due respect….you are either completely clueless or you have your head buried in the sand. The NFL is being wrecked before our very eyes by the players union. The players want an exorbitant amount of the pie, regardless of how it impacts the overall financial health of the league. I asked earlier…name me one business where over 60% of the expenditure was on labor costs. No response from you or any pro-player backers, because that business does not exist. It’s a flawed model that is doomed for failure.

    To say that people are jumping on the owners bandwagon because they don’t want athletes making millions is partially true…any business where a rookie can come in and make 4x the amount of a 10 year veteran is simply wrong. And then that 10 year veteran wants more, and the cycle starts all over. Who pays for it? Me, the fan.

    And I’m not even going to touch your “underlying race issue” comment, because not once has anyone even remotely hinted at that on these boards. Its just another example of your ignorance.

  81. Deb says: Mar 15, 2011 1:10 PM

    ??

  82. Deb says: Mar 15, 2011 1:27 PM

    jersey … my response won’t post. I’m being censored. Sorry.

  83. Deb says: Mar 15, 2011 1:30 PM

    jersey …

    In labor-intensive industries, personnel expenditures often account for 60 percent of the budget. The 59+ percent to players includes benefits, pensions, health care for retirees. And owners take $1 billion off the top before the pie is divided. Now they want to take an additional billion off the top. Stop viewing the NFL as a you would an auto manufacturer. This is more an actor/producer relationship–a mutually dependant partnership.

    When free agency came into play, the salary cap was intended to level the field. It was the uber wealthy like Jerry Jones who used their liquidity to skirt the cap by paying out large cash bonuses, quickly driving up the pay scale. They’re the reason other owners had to build new stadiums with cash-cow luxury boxes to could compete. Now the Joneses are the same guys pushing for a new deal. I respect some owners, but not all are wearing white hats. Many are ruthless businessmen with their own agendas that have nothing to do with the best interests of fans, the league, or the game.

    We’re on the same page on the rookie pay scale–and I believe the owners and players have reached an agreement on that.

    I don’t believe everything the players do is perfect or that all owners are evil. But in this dispute, owners have acted in bad faith for months to force a lockout for their own ends. It was disingenuous to publicize their offer when it didn’t address the core issue. And how convenient not to mention that weeks ago the players offered to take a split that would have put their cut back to 2002 levels and dropped their request to see the books. But owners refused. Big Business plays the propaganda game well. Never trust the guy with the most money ;)

  84. Deb says: Mar 15, 2011 3:17 PM

    @jersey …

    I’m not allowed to answer your race question. Sorry.

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